OPINION — PTC candidates: Look at their records

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I eyeballed the whole slate of Peachtree City Council candidates at the recent forum at McIntosh High School and came away impressed with the strength and substance of the field.

Without irony, I believe all 12 truly care about their city and what happens to it. Can we all agree that thanks are owed to anyone willing to govern this city even in these very tough times?

But we voters are faced with deciding some of the races based strictly on the candidates’ words and their life experiences so far as they have divulged them.

Only three of the 12 have actual, verifiable voting records in public office with which we may judge their words against their actions.

Those three with a voting record are Steve Boone (four years as the Post 3 incumbent), mayoral candidate Cyndi Plunkett (four years in the seat she declined to seek again, Post 4), and mayoral candidate Don Haddix (who resigned after two years in Post 1 to run for mayor).

Four years ago, I wrote this about Boone: “Boone supports, apparently without reservation, the West Village annexation, a recipe of horror for most current PTC residents.”

Of Plunkett, I wrote: “I worry that she is lopsided for all things recreation without balancing concerns for public safety and how much city services cost.”

Just for the record, in that 2005 column I warned about then-mayoral candidate Harold Logsdon: “... My great fear is that you will getting an affable, friendly guy who will favor higher density, more commercial and apartment development and increased traffic every time it comes to a vote. The homeowners of Peachtree City will get a get-along-go-along kind of guy who will vote against their interests just about every time. But, hey, he’ll be nice about it. And he won’t write letters to the editor. In fact, you’ll hardly ever see him, except when he smiles and sticks it to you on behalf of his developer friends. Don’t say somebody didn’t warn you.” Judge for yourselves whether that warning was valid.

Let’s review some subsequent actions.

About the West Village annexation in a May 8, 2007 column: “Let’s hope PTC voters will remember who voted for the most growth as well as the densest growth within PTC in the past 15 years: Mayor Harold Logsdon, council members Stephen Boone, Cyndi Plunkett and Stuart Kourajian. Will these four — Logsdon, Boone, Plunkett and Kourajian — be known in coming decades as the ones who lost Peachtree City?”

From Nov. 27, 2007: “Current council members Logsdon and Boone have damaged Peachtree City with their cavalier attitude toward the majority of residents. Boone seems to have no discernible voting philosophy except to go along with developers. ... [T]he two of them — Logsdon and Boone — should be made the new minority and a new homeowner-centric majority should take control of the PTC Council to restore some humility and public attentiveness to the local governing process.”

From Nov. 4, 2008: “Oh, and just as an aside, the City Council — abetted by its clueless Planning Commission and city staff — is about to vote to annex land for which there exists no development plan. Now, that’s a modern first for even the declining quality of leadership that we Peachtree Citizens are stuck with. ... Mr. or Ms. council person, vote YES for an unplanned, unnecessary annexation, and get voted out next time you appear on the ballot as having demonstrated terminal unfitness for leadership in a supposedly planned city.”

About the Ga. Highway 54 West debacle in columns beginning in the fall of 2007: “Why should the wise heads on the Peachtree City Council feel any obligation to sell city-owned streets and rights of way to a big box developer? The developer — regardless of his zoning rights on the commercial property — has no legal claim to land the city has owned for many decades. Will the council become the developer’s de facto partner in a project that could not otherwise happen without the collusion of the council members? What kind of people have we elected who would do such deliberate damage to Peachtree City?

“The council in effect would become an enabling partner in the construction of a big box development that could not otherwise be built without the city’s explicit facilitation. In view of the public’s overwhelming aversion to another such development on Hwy. 54 West, the council’s approval would amount to a a complete and total sell-out to the developer who is most responsible for the wretched look and mounting problems of the city’s west side. Whoever votes for this perverted city-developer partnership will become a synonym for the sell-out of the Peachtree City vision.”

From Feb. 10, 2009: “The sell-out trio wins again; we lose. The Peachtree City Council voted its customary split last Thursday in favor of further destroying the declining peace and tranquility of our ‘planned’ community. More traffic, more traffic lights, more flailing about for ever more specious rationales for decisions that a majority of city residents would unhesitatingly vote down if given the chance. But who cares about the majority of citizens? As the mayor once remarked to me, ‘After all, the crowd wanted Barabbas.’ So, following their tortured logic, the block of three [Plunkett, Boone and Logsdon] voted to affirmatively enable the very thing they have been saying they did not want: a dense, big-box center right across from Walmart/Home Depot.

“It was almost exactly one year ago this week that Mayor Harold Logsdon and council members Steve Boone and Cyndi Plunkett voted to sell out the Peachtree City vision. Newly installed council members Don Haddix and Doug Sturbaum voted against it. Plunkett swung first against it in 2007, then swung in favor of the bigger development in 2008. Why? I don’t know. After all, what has land use planning and long existing zoning got to do with anything? That’s been the pattern ever since: 3-to-2 to sell out Peachtree City.”

Back to the present — whatever incumbents Boone and Plunkett say, what they have done gives lie to their words.

Folks, most of us Peachtree City residents were betrayed by many of Boone’s and Plunkett’s past votes. Should we give them another four years to unplan our city, block by block, village by village?

Okay, let’s take it by post:

For mayor, Haddix has the demonstrable two-year record of voting against the giveaways and developer accommodations. He is an adult, unafraid to say no. He gave up two years on his safe term (a requirement of state law) in order to run for mayor. Haddix has earned our trust. He should be mayor.

Scott Rowland is a good second choice. This young, unmarried businessman has a record of selfless service as an Eagle Scout and a Peace Corps member. But as a political novice and first-time office seeker, he is going for the home run in his first time at bat. Best that he should try a sacrifice bunt or a single first before swinging for the bleachers. But I hope he tries again.

Post 1 (a two-year term for Haddix’s vacant seat): I like all these candidates. The city will likely be well-served by any of them, but especially by Imker, Craig and Pullias. Here are my biases regarding this strong group.

Shelby Barker says all the good, Republican things, but he has youth and inexperience going against him. It’s all words at this point.

Beth Pullias is a civic trooper, faithfully participating in the myriad meetings of Planning Commission, City Council and other local organizations. My two concerns about Pullias: She brandishes the tax increase approach too easily for my taste, and she seems to seek a consensus position even on very bad ideas (the 54 West plan as an example) instead of just saying no.

I have a lot of empathy for David Craig, the Delta guy who seems to come from the school of “the last thing I want to do is run for office, but somebody has got to stop this stuff.” He definitely is no politician, which is a great thing, in my view.

For me it’s between Craig and Eric Imker, whose plain-talking, no-nonsense approach I admire. He didn’t just come out of the woodwork, having announced many months ago in letters to this paper his intention to run for council and his detailed views on what had to change and what he wanted to conserve.

Slight nod to Imker.

Post 3 (four-year term in the slot now held by Steve Boone): Like Pullias, Kim Learnard has not been shy about telling the world what she thinks about a number of things, a trait I admire in a public official. I probably disagree with her on many issues involving state and national politics (she wrote a column for this paper in favor of a federalized public option in healthcare), but she cares for her city and would be a deliberate voice for average folks in PTC. Still, she has explicitly stated that increased property taxes would be a weapon of choice to deal with city budget issues. That I don’t like.

I’m very impressed with business executive Bob Walsh, and likely will vote for him. He has hands-on experience with finding new sites for multinational corporations and has focused on the opportunities of filling in our industrial park, a skill-set we desperately need in an elected official.

Post 4 (four-year term in the seat being vacated by Cyndi Plunkett): I have the most questions about this race but lean toward Vanessa Fleisch over Les Dyer. That being said, Dyer is an impressive candidate: president of the local volunteer firefighters association, retired military (he flew the SR-71 Blackbird, for pete’s sakes!), straight-forward guy who seems not to suffer fools gladly.

But I have a nagging suspicion that he might be a little too accommodating of annexations, developers’ attempts to deviate from the land use plan and the great, sucking demands of the city’s bureaucracy.

Fleisch will be less inclined to go along with those special interests.

My voting list: No to SPLOST, Haddix for mayor, Imker for Post 1, Walsh for Post 3 and Fleisch for Post 4.

Peachtree City homeowners, let’s vote in at least a 3-to-2 majority in favor of our long-suffering interests this time. Let’s don’t make the same mistakes the majority made four years ago.

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Submitted by SPQR on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:04pm.

"the great, sucking demands of the city’s bureaucracy"

Well maybe a Chicago would have great demands but PTC. How about just "the constant sucking demands of the city’s bureaucracy".

Anyway, a great line that could be in the opening paragraph of a novel.

Submitted by sdwiraq on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 1:31am.

"Dyer’s campaign also has been placing a lot of campaign signs on public property, showing disrespect for our ordinances"

Give me a break.....Is that the best you can come up with in your pathetic attempt to place doubt on Mr. Dyer's honor, integrity and ethics? Signs? Perhaps you should be watching the road rather than counting signs as you drive about.
If you had actually read Mr. Dyer's stance on big box, he advocates a measured growth that involves filling up existing empty retail space as well as being open-minded to new business. This city needs a council member like Mr. Dyer who has the ability to consider the long term economic future of PTC and the integrity to keep the welfare of Peachtree's citizens foremost in his mind. Perhaps Mr. Brown, it is time for PTC to have leadership that will do something about diminishing tax revenue, jobs and industry by giving the citizens a reason not to travel beyond PTC to spend their $$ in the very businesses PTC refused to consider. PTC needs Mr. Dyer's honesty, integrity and leadership. You had your chance. And obviously, the voters decided yours did not meet the bill.

'Fess up, Brown, you have nothing but blanks in your "smoking gun".

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 9:18am.

Thank you to Steve Brown and whoever else will take the time to study the issues and give us the benefit of their opinions. I don't have to agree. But it takes a lot of time and a not insignifcant amount of courage to critique candidates who have VOLUMTARILY placed themselves in the public eye. And what is SDWIRAQ respond with that shows Mr. Dyer's capabilities??? Nothing except to announce that Mr. Dyer has integrity. Maybe so but that provides me with nothing. Who does Mr. Dyer have this ability? What will he do? What will he not do? How can he show us what will be done? I am so tired of candidates who abstractly tout themselves with displays of military ribbons or mail pieces of photos in their high school wrestling tights. Show me more substance than that if you expect my vote. It is a fair statement that Mayor Logsdon and his path of leadership are in disfavor--- what will Mr. Dyer do to promote or abandon the Logsdon mess?

Submitted by sdwiraq on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:52pm.

While I'm sure I haven't seen a picture of Mr. Dyer in wrestling tights, I do know that someone who has over 20 years of military service, having attained the rank he has, a person who continues to serve the community not only as a volunteer fireman but as President of the PFCD Volunteer Association, and a person who holds a national leadership position in the Daedalians has a solid enough resume' of selfless service, integrity and leadership for me. Go ahead and vote on glossy campaign promises, you'll only get the same old political double talk. Mr. Dyer has built an impeccable reputation of service and leadership under the most extreme form public scrutiny as a military officer... and continues to give back to the community as a volunteer. Hmmm, service to the Nation... service to the Community... I see the substance called "selfless service" here. Perhaps your issue with military ribbons is that you don't understand the ethics, values and integrity that these military officers live by. Want to undo the current mess? Then give someone like Mr. Dyer the opportunity to break the current leadership void and replace it with value.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 8:49am.


There is no gun. I write completely unarmed.

I did read Dyer's stance on big box retail straight from his web site. He has no problems with big box retail. (See my column on the candidates.)

As far as, "PTC [needing] to have leadership that will do something about diminishing tax revenue, jobs and industry by giving the citizens a reason not to travel beyond PTC to spend their $$ in the very businesses PTC refused to consider," I concur. However, Dyer, as were a lot of the other candidates, was short on answers.

Dyer was a big SPLOST fan, and I can tell you with great certainty we waste tens of millions of dollars in the SPLOSTs. Also, SPLOST is a limited tax increase and the budgeting problems are an annual, long-term issue.

The bottom line is Dyer gives me no confidence that he would not have also performed the same ruinous development on Hwy. 54-W as Logsdon, Boone and Plunkett. And that was my deciding factor.

Submitted by sdwiraq on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:29pm.

So correct me if I'm wrong here, but your opinion of the man is based upon what you don't know about him; therefore you assume he will perform like past administrations... which, if I'm not mistaken, includes you.
How do you justify your conclusion that Mr. Dyer's support of SPLOST will lead to wasted millions? Has he said that? I think not. I find it equally interesting that Mr. Dyer has even stated his goal to serve the Council one term only. In other words, he's given himself one shot at making things better. Would you have been so bold as to make that promise? See, I'm a simple kinda guy. I have more faith in someone who has a demonstrated past of integrity than I do glossy campaign promises ... and I am ready to trust someone who can change the leadership void in PTC. I place my confidence in demonstrated ethics and continued service to the community. What have you done for PTC lately?

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 11:59am.

I have NO problem with it myself. There is a limit to how much is enough and PTC has likely reached that. Yesterday, I shopped at Wal-Mart, Home Depot and Target all in PTC and loved not having to drive elsewhere to do so. Not to mention that all 3 stores in PTC are a cut above their usual standard.

Everyone who wants to keep subsidizing the complete loser kingdom over in Saudi Arabia and being jacked around on oil, nightmare commuting, pollution, etc. is welcome to do so, but I prefer to live/work/play all in the same area. Call me some kind of crazy I guess.

Despite Steve Brown, I have voted no on SPLOST. I kept looking for any possible reason to support it and there isn't any. Fayette ounty's leaders and potential elected officials need to start doing what everyone else has done: living within their means or making adjustments. In the politco's situation, that means being upfront with the citizens about possible tax increases or cuts in services. SPLOST is for cowardly officials who don't think people can handle the harsh reality and a total cop-out.

Submitted by AtHomeGym on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 4:41pm.

here. I rarely shop in any of those big box places but when I want to do that, it's nice to have one close. And living out in the country (6.5 miles S. of Fayetteville) like I do, I fail to find logic in all these rural road projects the county commissioners come up with to pay for with SPLOST dollars. Traffic seems toflow pretty good from my perspective, except at certain times of the day and all one has to do to avoid that is plan their activities. It's no great surprise that if you give city & county officials carte blanche on devising ways to spend tax dollars, they'll come up with a bunch!

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 9:06am.

Or anyone else for that matter. Hwy 54 West is finished (poorly)but nevertheless finished.
There is no place for a big box to go anyway.
Dyer is a leader and a hero.

The only alternative is Vanessa Fleisch who has no understanding of what it is to be on council. Her proposal to limit building permits on already zoned property until the competing space is filled up, was embarrassing.

Dyer is the man for this post.

Submitted by lalaland on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 2:10pm.

They call me her, They call me Jane.


Robert W. Morgan and Robert W. Morgan listeners, friends, foes and fans - trust not what you read. Trust not a man who thought Les Dyer was running against "Victoria" Fleisch but a day ago. Rumer is, that kinda thin aint a typo, sweetie.

I suspect he actually knows quite little about the candidate (the last chick standing up against the wall)

here are some other guys who served in the military. are they automatic heroes too, Robert W. Morgan? Watch, learn and grow. Expand your mind instead of your mouth, for once. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR0AlPB1LTU

"hero" = successful mother, wife, career, public servant, small business supporter, opposite end listener, friend

don't miss the catch. i throw you the ball.

Submitted by sdwiraq on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 5:02pm.

into your comment about automatic heroes and youtube, then say so and accept this as an apology for launching on what I read as an insult to honorable servicemembers. Though this forum is a great way to express freedom of speech, it also seems great at winding folks up into a spin that quickly delves into sarcasm and insults. It appears I am not immune to that spin (although it is quite late here). So, I guess we could say that what we have here is a failure to communicate....

Now... if it was an insult, I'll have to take back everything I said and find another movie to quote....

Hope you voted for your candidate today.

Submitted by sdwiraq on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 2:54pm.

Can't say I remember Mr. Morgan ever saying that all military persons are automatic heroes, but I am smart enough to read the biographies of candidates and can come to my own conclusion about Mr. Dyer's service to our County.
But since you seem intent on dissing the men and women who do defend our Nation with your "automatic hero" insult, why don't you and the rest of your defined "heroes" come on over here, pick up a weapon, slap on some body armor and take point on a counter IED route recon so the rest of us non-heroes can then go home to our families who live in constant worry while we're deployed. Oh wait, this is where you are about to whine that we are all "volunteers" in the military. I'd take one volunteer who writes a personal check to our Nation in the amount of and including his/her life over the lot of you. Enjoy your freedom- my Brothers and Sisters-in-arms bought it for you by cashing in their checks. Nuff said.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 4:03pm.

things you mention in your blog that you are currently deployed in Iraq? If that is the case or if you have served there or in any other war zone I salute and thank you as I am sure just about anyone on this site would. Many people have served for many reasons, some just out of patriotic duty, some for the educational benefits they will receive, some to get their lives back on track. Each and every person, regardless of their reasons are heroes. But, even though I am tempting fate and a blast from you I must agree that serving honorably or being decorated does not mean that someone would be suited to be a councilman in some people's opinions. That is not a slur against Mr. Dyer or anyone else who has been in the military. That is simply a fact. Many of the people on this site have served or are serving honorably--and many of those people have garnered the right, more than others, to voice their opinions. After all that is what this country is about.

Submitted by AtHomeGym on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 4:25pm.

servedare NOT heroes. That word gets tossed around much too easily. The troops themselves don't want to hear such descriptions and refuse to talk that way. I will agree that all who have served deserve our thanks and much credit for doing a job that is often dangerous and sometimes fatal. But all heroes? No, that should be reserved for special cases where extraordinary and selfless acts are involved. Just my opinion.

Submitted by sdwiraq on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 4:20pm.

with all you have stated. Freedom to choose, right to vote. I do not infer that service to our Country makes a person any more capable than the next. But I do take issue in the generalization used by the poster that links honorable service members with those who have been less than honorable.
Hope you voted today and thanks... I enjoyed thinking about all you've stated.

Submitted by totellthetruth on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 3:15pm.

our country.

That being said big guy, if the city goes and declares war on another city he is the guy I would want on council. Should the city buy a plane to fly around in it I think he would be qualified to fly it for us also.
What I don't think, is that he is my guy to make decisions for the people of this city about land use plans, borders and sewer and big boxes.
It is just that simple, I don't agree with his wishes and vision for this city so he did not get my vote or support.

By the way, if some one on this blog does not agree with your point of view, that does not give you the right to be cramming down our throats that we suck.
You have no idea the paths we have all trod to get here.
I am by no means a liberal. I have served my country honorably as well and I take offense to your nasty tactics of calling us all bed wetting liberals. Grow up! People can disagree and that is okay.

Submitted by sdwiraq on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 4:11pm.

on candidates, politics, SPLOST, campaign slogans, the price of golf cart batteries or where to hold the post-election BBQ- that isn't my issue. You as a vet certainly know as well as I the freedom of choice and the right to vote. And I completely understand your rationale in determining your choice. Simple, factual and logical for how you envision the future of PTC. Great stuff that makes for good spirited debate. But I will take offense at the generalization of service members as "automatic heroes" while in the same company as those who have served less than honorably. My point is that there is no need to insult the many by the actions of the few.
It ain't politics, it's pride in our service and those who have paid for it...

BTW- declaring war on another city probably violates the PTC Village concept and annexation policies....don't know if the city council will go for it.

Submitted by totellthetruth on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 4:38pm.

sometimes I have wished PTC would declare war on Coweta especially during the morning mess at HWYS. 54 & 74

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:28am.

I like the look of the stores up close to the street....sort of an old timey downtown look, much better than a store set way back with a huge parking lot fronting the street, it's a shame many are vacant, but that is more a sign of the times. The newer development done there actually looks much nicer to me than the Home Depot/Walmart giant buildings. I guess many disagree. How long has the commercial zoning been in place here, it didn't just happen, I know that.

It seems we could use a big box to replace the Baby Kroger...in fact, if Kroger would get out of the way, it would already be leased...at least that is what I've heard from a couple of very good sources.

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:34am.

I have also heard those rumors. Other groceries have made offers but Kroger feels it is cheaper to pay the rent than deal with competition. The other rumor I heard is that Kroger is demanding the landlord buy Kroger out of the lease.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:55am.

They all rejected the site because of the location of the already existing grocery stores, our logistics and demographics are already fully supported by existing grocery sq' and we simply don't meet the requirements of Whole Foods, Trader Joe's and Fresh Market.

There are discussions going on about ending the lease. But at this date just discussions with potential.

DAPC is working to resolve this issue. It isn't easy when some expectations are not realistic.

Getting a grocery store might be possible. But a tier one like those mentioned aboved very doubtful.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:18pm.

Not from the folks I know around town..and I don't mean PTC. I mean Atlanta.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 1:50pm.

I think we can both agree we need a replacement in the spot. How to make it happen is the issue.

Efforts are under way. But this economy sure isn't helping.

With multiple parties involved it is even more difficult satisfying everyone.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 5:27pm.

at the voting precinct...we must live in the same "village." Good luck tonight and if you win, we'll be expecting great things from you! Smiling

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 9:54am.

Incorrect. There has been a proposal for a Costco or Costco like store and another retail center in Wilksmoor.

As well yet another retail center on the south side. Plus one that would require annexing land in to build on the north side.

Then redevelopment and rezoning.

Plus the 54 W development could fall through, making that land available again. It does have a time limit for execution attached.

So don't say there is no threat. There is.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:32am.

They are coming to this area at some point. If they have to, they will build just over the Fayette/Coweta line. I'm not sure we shouldn't try to embrace them and come up with hybrid type store that we could possibly fit in to our standards, I think it's certainly worth discussing. Good grief, if we let Target/Walmart in, why not Costco? They carry a much higher line of goods.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 11:05am.

We cannot. Big Boxes are incompatible with the Village Concept and they do more damage than good economically, environmentally, traffic and crime wise and so on.

Your going to have to make up your mind which you want, meaning Village Concept, which made us so desirable, or the Big Box everywhere else city others are trying to now escape being. You cannot have both.

PTC's crime index was 70 last reporting. Newnan was over 300 and Fayetteville was over 200. It makes a difference.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:20pm.

Big Boxes in town now....2 Kroger, Publix, K-mart, Home Depot, Walmart, Target...I would be more inclined to be able to fully understand your crime comment. As it is, it make no sense...not to me anyways.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:47pm.

Grocery stores are a different animal when looking at retail. They are not regional stores despite their size. The others are.

Our biggest crime areas are Wilksmoor shopping areas and Target. That is a reality.

Fayetteville has a lot more Big Boxes than here. Newnan has more than Fayetteville. Count goes up so does crime.

Cities that are eliminating them are not loosing shopping opportunities or net Sales Tax income. They are actually gaining net, as well as seeing property values and quality of life increase while seeing crime and traffic decrease.

It is a complex formula but university and other research documents the realities.

Most assuredly our crime took a jump every time a new Big Box was built. I believe you lived here prior, if not mistaken, so you know that is true.

Police have had to be added over time explicitly for increased patrols of the Big Boxes. That is a big service cost increase to just keep levels even.

Big Box Tool Kit is just one site that has links to research on this issue. You can get more from UGA, GT and other universities and resources.

You pay for them whether you like it or not. Many states have found they drive up assistance payments to citizens, in example, which you pay for in State taxes.

There are lots of hidden costs that make them no real bargain.

More and more cities are cracking down with severe restrictions or even outright banning them.

It is a complex issue. But the reality is we either want the Village Concept or we are ready to abandon it, which I am not.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:08pm.

I am tired of hearing that line of BS without any proof. Look at Miles Ace Hardware......are they hurting for business since Home Depot was built? Hell no according to the owner...it's actually increased. Did Gillroy's in PTC go under as all the clowns around this place said was going to happen and like once-candidate Fred Wellman claimed? NO. Who has Wally or Target driven out of business?

So, despite having 3 Big Box stores, PTC's "crime index" is 70. Now, what is exactly the point? There is no doubt that you and your followers are totally against ANY Big Box development anytime anywhere, but yet PTC hasn't gone to hell because of the establishment of 3 Big Box stores.

See ya, Don. Thanks for your service and all but it's the end of the line today. BTW, it's "rumor" not "rumer." You just gave the bozos about your education more ammo.

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 10:41am.

Maybe we could replace Walmart with Costco. Walmart must not be doing as well since they are cutting back inventory.

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 12:21pm.

my perfect scenario....

Submitted by nepotism on Sun, 11/01/2009 - 4:32pm.

The only reason Cal likes Haddix is because Haddix spends most of his day on "thecitizen.com", and that is good for The Citizen (not good for politics. If Haddix wins I will be extremely surprised, there may be a runoff because Rowland might just get enough votes to bring either of the other two under the 50% window.

I lean towards Plunkett by the slimmest of margins only because Haddix wants to privatize everything and sell city assets for pennies on the dollar.

Haddix and Plunkett should have raised the mil and not dipped into the reserves. When SPLOST fails then they will be dipping into the reserves again to pay for those projects, either that or some big cuts will be coming, and that might mean that public safety security blanket might have to be touched. Oh my, what will happen if the city cannot fund the bullet proof vests for the K-9 unit or the motorcycle police squad.

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Tue, 11/03/2009 - 11:03am.

They are going after the Recreation Department next. Public Safety still has one more bullet proof vest standing between it and budget cuts.

How many motorcycles do they have? I no at least one. I think I saw it in the parade one time. Other then in a parade, I have never seen it out and about paroling and earning its keep.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Sat, 10/31/2009 - 7:49am.

Using let’s don’t is ungrammatical and detracts from the message, as it weakens the moral authority of the messenger.

That is also true for the anti-SPLOST group that distributed flyers prominently misspelling the word supplemental, which requires two p’s.

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 10/31/2009 - 12:08pm.

lets dont be a suplementing grammer to much, hits unchiveralous.

Mi morale athority as a mesenger is bin wekened enuf also,to.

I ned hep as ye kin se! Meybe sum blogg lesons wood hep?

The what air tryin tuh be lected air prety much dumyes enyway or theyuns woodn be running fer sich terible orfices.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:42am.

At least this time you gave some really good background, proof positive that incumbents are not to be considered and downplayed your own choices by offering the possibility of second choices. Not bad.

I still resent newspapers telling me what to do - even the AJC finally figured that one out. Or maybe the race for Atlanta mayor was just too complicated since they shipped the smartest racist in the newsroom, Cynthia Tucker, off to Washington.

Anyhow, back to PTC, you are mostly right except for Victoria "No property rights" Fleisch. Not a chance. Les Dyer is the man. Smart, experienced a hero. He'll be good up there and he's much too smart to fall into the developer trap. But other than that, I agree with your choices and as I said, the analysis was good.

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Submitted by Steve Brown on Sun, 11/01/2009 - 1:27pm.

Now Robert W. Morgan is a little bit hypocritical admonishing Cal Beverly for giving some picks on the election and then turning around and doing the same.

I cannot take Dyer’s acceptance of big box retail. I do not want to keep going in the direction of Gwinnett County.

Dyer’s campaign also has been placing a lot of campaign signs on public property, showing disrespect for our ordinances.

In my opinion, Dyer is more of Logsdon and Boone.

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Submitted by SPQR on Sun, 11/01/2009 - 8:10am.

Your comments about Dyer bring to mind one John Murtha. A sterling military career does not(necessarily) a conservative make.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sun, 11/01/2009 - 9:46am.

And his military career was acceptable - not sterling.

I really can't see Les Dyer standing up in public and saying something as dumb as "It's much worse than reported in Time magazine. There was no fire fight. There was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood. And that's what the report is going to tell."

Bad comparison, SPQR.

And of course city councilmen have little to do with Iraq, but they sure do need to understand property rights and the legalities involved in a rezoning. Les' opponent seems to lack that.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sun, 11/01/2009 - 5:40am.

why does that happen?

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Sat, 10/31/2009 - 12:05am.


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Submitted by opustv on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 11:16pm.

Thanks Cal for laying out our choices and reminding us all why this local election is so important. For everyone who is registered to vote, Please please take the time to vote next week. And if you aren't registered to vote, use this missed election cycle as a reminder to register for the next election. Just as our community is under siege from unchecked development our country is under siege by a bumbling rabbel of incompetent, adolescent, socialist hell-bent on destroying everything the founding fathers believed in. We need every voter in those booths over the next 36 months to get our country and our community back.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 10/30/2009 - 5:48pm.

P.S. How did Les Dyer ever fit into the cockpit of a Blackbird? Isn't he something like 6-12 and 1/2?

I would imagine he has some great stories he can't tell.

Pilot of one of the fastest, highest flying, coolest plane to ever come out of the skunk works shop and a willingness to become a target of scorn by running for public office. He either has a death wish or he's got the "right stuff"!

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