What do you really think?

Thu, 10/20/2005 - 1:57pm
By: The Citizen

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Submitted by Jo Anne on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 5:17pm.

I have 17 year old daughter that works at [[[[[[[EDITED for violating terms of service (attacks on named private person).]]]]]]] Today (02/21/10), she came home really tired. I knew she was to work from 8:30 till 4:30. Not a really bad, as I had worked at a fast food restaurant as a teen myself in the 80’s.

She went on to explain to me that her *** manager ****** had told her as soon as she had got to ***** this morning at 8:30 (my daughter's scheduled hours were 8:30 til 4:30)to TAKE A BREAK till 9, then my daughter worked until 4:00 without a break (7 hours on her feet). My daughter finally told me that she has done this for the past 3 weeks (Sundays). I may be wrong but is there a law that minors can only work so many hours? Why she was not told to just get there at 9 am?

And if ****** is right, I think they need to re-think their use of hours. I really think it is wrong to bring in employees and immediately say “go on break”.

Not to mention, my daughter picked her check up last week, she was greeted by the black manager (the manager thought it was funny) as she refered to my daugheter as "Hey Whitey – here you go" (as my daughter is white and the manager ******** is black). I know this because I was there and saw it and they will know me as well as I ordered food along with my younger daughter. I hope they have camera’s that caught that on tape.

I know most of you are saying why doesn't she just get another job? Jobs for teenagers are few and far between. And even so……. Does she have to put up with this because? Cause if my daughter was Black ----- whole different story………………….

Submitted by Jo Anne on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 11:22pm.

My daughter's **** pay check bounced TWICE from ***. Just Saying. And as for using Correct Names - Did I ??????

Now if she is fired isn't that retaliation?

Submitted by tgarlock on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 8:31pm.

When it comes to matters of discrimination or harassment, don't be tempted to solve the matter with a phone call. A written complaint to the highest level will require the BK org to respond seriously. The complaint letter should be from your daughter, the employee, not her Mom, written factually without loads of emotion. Any large org well knows when such complaints occur, whether they believe the complaint has merit or not, they must act quickly to determine the facts, and take corrective action if required, while documenting their steps. If they do not, they provide the complaintant a big legal advantage in the dispute. Accordingly, big orgs tend to quickly intercede to correct the behavior of poorly trained managers. Maybe one instance of offhand disparate race-based treatment doesn't merit such a complaint, only you can decide. But if there is a pattern, ie if other improper humor or insults have occurred, or if the manager abuse of employee break time is a race-based action, that is clearly a matter of concern. If it rises to the level of complaint, the downside is having to endure confrontation. The upside is teaching your daughter she does not have to put up with small-minded treatment, and the right way to deal with a tough situation. Like David's Mom said, those who blazed this trail took the lumps so that nobody has to put up with lousy treatment because of who they are.

Terry Garlock

Submitted by Jo Anne on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 11:25pm.

the difference with my daughter and David's Mom is that I want to teach my daughter something. David's Mom wants a lump Sum...............

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Submitted by The Wedge on Mon, 02/22/2010 - 9:11am.

David's Mom posted an entirely different message "Discrimination at Burger King Submitted by Davids mom on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 6:43pm." before this one that you put up disparaging her. Now there is much to criticize DM, or me, or most of us here, on our posts, but to mischaracterize what she has already posted as advice is a sad commentary on you.

Submitted by tgarlock on Mon, 02/22/2010 - 6:53am.

. . . should not ask for money as a remedy, but should ask for the equal treatment that every employee deserves from their manager. And like all big orgs, BK is likely spring-loaded to respond fast by taking a look at their manager to see if immediate corrective action is required. If they don't respond, that's when you call an Employment Attorney, that is if you are serious about stopping lousy manager behavior. One more thing. You should counsel your daughter to behave impeccably even if she is boiling inside at work when things happen, and be sure to document events; anything that smacks of "retaliation" is a setup for your lawyer to slam BK to the mat if it ever goes that far. Ideally it turns out as a simple resolution where you send a letter, BK intervenes asap and the manager is replaced or retrained.

Terry Garlock

Submitted by Davids mom on Mon, 02/22/2010 - 12:02am.

. . and your daughter will learn a valuable lesson. . . using the law to protest discriminatory actions. Very few 'minorities' received 'lump sum' settlements. They received the right to vote, to eat in public places without being discriminated against. Not one of the Freedom Riders or those who joined fellow citizens in sit-ins were rewarded with monetary lumps - although many received physical lumps. Your bringing this to the attention of BK headquarters will insure that others will not be treated in this unacceptable manner. I hope you are sincere - and not just trying to create a 'racist' discussion. We don't need anymore of that . . not with the Klan still marching and holding rallies. This country is divided enough .. . we don't need anymore division based on name calling and/or skin color.

Submitted by kevin king on Mon, 02/22/2010 - 5:39am.

"I hope you are sincere - and not just trying to create a 'racist' discussion. We don't need anymore of that . . "

With Jo Anne's last comment about you, quite unprovoked, I am beginning to doubt her sincerity. Shame on you for being reasonable and supportive to someone who seeks neither reason or your support.

Can't win for losing sometimes.


Submitted by Jo Anne on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 11:25pm.

the difference with my daughter and David's Mom is that I want to teach my daughter something. David's Mom wants a lump Sum...............

Submitted by normal on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 8:25pm.

Your story made me think of a certain bank in fayetteville. The same type of thing has happened there. Check the law on hours and breaks and then proceed. Nothing worse than a bastard for a boss. And go to McDonalds to eat

Submitted by GAltant on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 7:41pm.

I suggest you pull your post down and handle this in the right manner - not a hearsay, slanderous approach.
If you have concerns, follow the steps outlined by others on this blog. Call Burger King headquarters and express your concerns. Ask to speak with a regional manager or the personnel department and explain what happened...and follow it through.

This is a private manner, no need to mention people's names here!

Submitted by Davids mom on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 6:43pm.

Many suffered so that the practices you describe would be illegal. Contact Burger King headquarters with your concern and evidence. Laws against discrimination are not just for people of color. Everyone deserves respect. If you were a 'black' mother - you would be advised to use your legal resources first rather than share this in a newspaper. Please demand that your daughter be treated with respect as a teenager and a worker. Anti-discrimination laws are for EVERY CITIZEN in these United States.

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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 8:27pm.

DM---As usual you are whacked out. You said: "If you were a 'black' mother - you would be advised to use your legal resources first rather than share this in a newspaper."

Get real...If the race issue had been the other way Jesse would come marching in Fayetteville. In this case he would probably instruct the black manager to spit on the white gal's sandwich before break time because that's what he used to do when he was in the food service industry.

And, oh yeah--- why can't some lib group step up like the ACLU or even the NAACP ? It would never happen.

Nobody's kid should be demeaned and the parent has convinced me not to go there any more.

Submitted by Davids mom on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 8:42pm.

It's 2010 - not 1960. Jesse doesn't 'reign' anymore. All citizens can/should demand respect. It's your choice not to go to Burger King. Burger King will survive.. . and if the allegations are true – Burger King will provide better service to customers and treat all of their workers with respect. Joann has the backing of the law. The 'white' firemen were successful - right? Many marched back in the day - black and white - for all citizens in this country to be treated with respect.

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Submitted by kevin king on Sun, 02/21/2010 - 9:09pm.

David's mom did nothing but support this woman and agree that her daughter was treated wrongly. What is your beef? Are you mad we don't hate as well as you do? The woman can't even agree that this was wrong without you shaming Dice Clay's image with your posts???

And be CONSISTENT while you're hatin. GAltant also said don't handle this in the paper. But it's hard to be consistent when you aren't being driven by principle, isn't it?



Submitted by wontonrosie on Fri, 02/12/2010 - 5:52pm.

If you really want to pass a SPLOST for something useful, dont put it toward a useless West Fayette bypass. Tell people that it will be used to build a North and East bypass right on the county line so people from Clayton and South Fulton can get right on and just bypass our county altogether. Either that, or build a wall on the county line. If you did that, then the crime would go down, the Pavilion would once again thrive and existing empty store fronts would fill up. A perfect example is Barnes and Noble leaving. The reason it cant sell books anymore is because nobody coming in from Clayton or South Fulton can read.

Submitted by PTCGOIL on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 2:39pm.

Do squirrels ever have dental issues?

Do chipmunks ever yell at Mother Nature when we aren't listening "ENOUGH ALREADY"!!!

Do deer ever steal rubbers?

Will anyone, ever, redesign windshield wipers?

Are the red ants tunneling to China?

Submitted by AtHomeGym on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 4:27pm.

I give the ones in my back yard lead fillings every chance I get---they're permanent!

Submitted by jevank on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 5:15pm.

Are you sure I didn't see you feeding and petting the squirrels? They are a little more active today than I've seen them in a long time.

Submitted by jevank on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 3:24pm.

Should PTCGOIL stay away from the smokey-smokey?

Submitted by PTCGOIL on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 3:40pm.

No smokey.....it's the raaiiin..the cooolllldd....the winter blahhhhhsss:O

Submitted by jevank on Tue, 02/09/2010 - 5:13pm.

Well, then, I totally understand. The suicide rate must be sky-high with all this gloomy weather.

Submitted by Hunter L Wood on Sun, 01/24/2010 - 12:10pm.

This is another ignorant zero tolerance ordinance, if passed. It is typical example of penalizing all when current ordinances already cover the issue. The mayor complained about a dog rushing into his yard. He forgot to mention if he had the police to write a citation for violation of the current law. The police can write tickets now for not having dog under voice control or leash. Ignoring the current law and adding another is typical example of todays goverment time wasting, money wasting, smoke blowing stumping.

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Sun, 01/24/2010 - 2:20pm.

Some PTC residents will always "share" their animals with the neighborhood by allowing them to run free. It doesn't matter if you don't want their dog or cat on your property. It's just a lawn and that dog never done hurt nobody. Strangely, you have no equal ability to make decisions regarding their property. Their need to relax rather than invest the time needed to exercise and, or, monitor the waste processes supersedes whatever you may want on your property.

My .204 Ruger would make intentions clear, but that's considered socially unacceptable and criminal. Peeing on my house or mailbox is tits. Sorry. Don't want you thumping reptilian-looking desperate housewives to start bawling over reading what you love to augment. Teats.

Those same humans dump old swing sets and tires in greenbelt areas.

Cream of the crop.

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Submitted by PBS Dad on Mon, 01/04/2010 - 2:53pm.

Didn't you know that Obama doesn't like "Free Speech" anymore? It's in the healthcare reform bill to take it away. HA HA HA HA HA

We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence then, is not an act, but a habit. ---Aristotle

Submitted by Bonkers on Fri, 12/25/2009 - 4:37am.

Not there to read!

Submitted by Im just saying on Mon, 01/04/2010 - 6:48pm.

What does anyone know about the huge teenage party busted in Highgrove subdivision? I heard over 100 kids (primarily Starr's Mill students) were arrested, given citations for MIP and running from the police. I've heard some very sad rumors about some really good kids.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/25/2009 - 12:11am.

To all the Citizen's citizens.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Submitted by gregm35 on Fri, 12/25/2009 - 8:51am.

Merry Christmas Hutch,Cyclist and all of our Citizen friends.

The Wulfman family

Linda,Lisa and Greg

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/25/2009 - 9:03am.

Merry Christmas to you also, and your family. I do so hope Mrs. wulf is doing better.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Submitted by gregm35 on Fri, 12/25/2009 - 6:22pm.

Linda's well.

Thank You for asking.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 12/25/2009 - 9:19am.

We are all thinking about you guys. Merry Christmas!!

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Submitted by DarkMadam on Wed, 12/16/2009 - 7:23pm.

What in the world has happened to the free speach section? There has not been an update in 6 weeks? If anyone knows the answer or knows of a way to find the answer to this please let me know.

Submitted by PTCGOIL on Fri, 12/25/2009 - 10:11am.


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/11/2009 - 10:53pm.

I heard they were leading at half time. Smiling

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/11/2009 - 11:00pm.

The Creek won 29-15.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/11/2009 - 11:15pm.

Way to go kids. Way to go!!!! All of Fayette County is proud for you guys tonight.

Now come on Whitewater. You've got your work cut out for you next year.. LOL.

Thanks Hutch. See ya tomorrow.

Obama.... The Bernie Madoff Of Washington

Submitted by PTCGOIL on Sun, 12/06/2009 - 5:51pm.

Just got back from following a beautiful hot air balloon in Fayetteville. From over by Goza Rd., Hwy 92 and then over Hwy 85 to Harp Rd. to Old Senoia Rd. where he landed on someone's front yard. The chase van said Balloonacy Ltd. on it. I looked up the website.

Back in the 80's, my sister surprised me for my birthday (Columbus Day weekend). She gave me a balloon ride as a gift, and I am convinced everyone should go on one once before they die. Kind of a bucket list thing. It was in New Hampshire, full blown fall foliage, holiday weekend and leaf-peepers were jamming the roads out in the country admiring the scenery. One of only 2 or east-west highways in the state, Route 101, was where the pilot decided to bring us down. Well, if you don't think that caused a traffic nightmare. The state police ended up coming out to direct traffic. It was a divided 4 lane highway in the middle of nowhere and we came down right off the breakdown lane on the east bound side of the road. Trees on either side of the roadway. Traffic was at almost a standstill but it sure added to the beauty of leaf peeping. We got no complaints. As we stood on the side of the road having our champagne toast, a man came up to me and said he had filmed the landing and would I like a copy? Never met him before, but I gave him my address and about a week later, the vcr tape came in the mail!

I will never forget it and am awed every time I see a balloon. NEVER expected to see one on 45 degree day in December in Fayetteville, though! How awesome.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 1:29am.

It was Ken Steele making more promises to the locals. Smiling

Vote Republican

Submitted by soapbox715 on Sat, 12/05/2009 - 7:45pm.

Does anyone know why our tax dollars are going for crosswalk signals on Hwy 314 that go nowhere. The intersection of 314 and Kenwood road, 314 and Hwy 279 have no sidewalks and in the past 20 something years I have only seen people with broken down cars walking that stretch of hwy but now we have raised concrete and electric signs that tell you when to walk. Walk to where? Maybe its a new kind of deer crossing or just another way to waste the tax dollars instead of more officers to patrol streets.

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Sat, 10/31/2009 - 10:30am.

PTC Fireman Chimney Sweep? I heard that a PTC firefighter has a side business cleaning chimneys. Anybody know who or can you recommend someone?

Time of year to start burning wood. Got a big load from Mrs. Joyce Jones (770-757-9982). You can't outwork that gal. Thanks for the referral which I think was from Kevin "Hack" King. Best part--- she had some hickory and pecan to cook with. Happy Holidays !

Submitted by intheknow on Sat, 10/31/2009 - 1:37pm.

Fayette Chimney Sweep 770-631-FLUE (3583) OR AAA Chimney Sweep 678-758-4993 - Both are owned & operated by PCFD employees

Submitted by LawAbidingCitizen on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 5:18pm.

Did Mr. Rowland really say that teenagers have a lot to do in PTC? lol unbelievable
To those of us who have been here for more than ten years, what percentage of of our young people leave, and never come back? This town is not a good place to live between the ages of 14-35.

I'm not for spending unneccesary tax dollars especially in today's climate, but this guy is way out of touch!

Thanks for helping me narrow the field.

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Submitted by mbest on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 5:05am.

If your teenager is being properly supervised. I've lived in the county 30 years, inside and outside of Peactree City. I have raised two kids one of whom is a teenager now. What more could these kids want? They can jump on a golf cart and network with their friends. They can shop without going near Atlanta, there's plenty of recreation, summer and winter.
The cops are strict on kids here, but I believe that is because there are alot of parents in this city who leave it to the police to discipline their kids.
I only occassionaly read these blogs and never know the politics behind most comments and don't care to get in the middle of it so I don't know what was behind you're comment. All in all, I don't know a better place I'd raise my kids, and they turned out pretty good.
As for the amount of kids who leave and don't come back, they probably couldn't afford to come back, or as we used to say in Fayette County 30 years ago - they may have been part of the herd that needed thinning.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 5:53am.

I don't know what a "your wrong" was, I assume it was you are wrong, or You're wrong.

As to "you're comment", I expect you meant your comment.

I have a question!
Why are you against social recreation? Because it costs money maybe? Or, it requires supervision?

I don't want any kids meeting on golf carts in the woods to hang! Get em out of the house but to do what? I have seen some of that what!

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Submitted by mbest on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 6:20pm.

You got me on your.. you're grammar corrections, that's one I usually catch. I'll note that the time was just after 5:00 a.m. as I was drinking my coffee and getting ready for work, I even said goodmorning to you when you logged in. I don't apoligize for gramatical errors made before 6:00 a.m.
I only read the blogs occasionally now but I've seen you put evil spins on other blogs before so I'm not taking that one personal... personel (you will work that one out for me won't you.)
You know I didn't say I was against social recreation, I said nothing about kids meeting in the woods...etc. You seem to be intelligent enough to know those weren't the points I was trying to make. Having said that, I have to believe it is your sport to try to get a rise out of bloggers. Knowing that, you didn't even pi$$ me off. I know now how to take YOUR blogs and your agenda so I will read you tongue and cheek.
My only point was, Peachtree City kids are faring or fairing or doing better with their or there social calendars than I am in this economy.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 7:57pm.

That thing about "your" and "you're" and "you are" seems to be a severe problem for many for some reason.
Didn't want an apology! It is just hard to clearly understand sometimes depending upon the context.

As to the recession, we all are suffering more than we were but I did see it coming about 2-3 years ago and made some arrangements to avoid severe problems. Washington saw it coming also but chose not to do anything about it since it might lose the upcoming election---they lost anyway.

The only thing I don't understand about the attitude of not providing legitimate places for teenage socials, fun places (which the library is not) studying, guidance, etc., is apparently the fear of associating with the wrong people!
Well wrong people exist and that is what parents could teach their kids more about.
Towns and cities are against such organizations because they would have to work very hard, mostly at night, to run them. They don't want to do so.

I know what went on when I was a teenager when there was nothing fun to do or any place to go: we invented things. Golf carts here simply provide a way to cover more ground! What do you think the side gravel paths are for on the cart paths? They lead no where except out of sight!

It is not wise to expect many parents to provide enough guidance for natural tendencies that require more than talking about it. Proper socializing in well lighted areas with others, under guidance, is necessary.

Movies are being used far too much as a place for fun---movies are terrible and unfit places. Same for unsupervised skating rinks and cars!

Too many don't make it otherwise and get into trouble.

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Submitted by The Wedge on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 9:39am.

It is quite obvious that the post was supposed to be "you're wrong" (pronounced the same), but no matter. Review your many posts under this and any other nom de plume that you use and you will be a widescale disembowelment of the English language. Hypocrisy is thy name. Once again, change that stool softener there, self-professed octogenarian. It is affecting your rational thoughts.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 1:32am.

They ought to be doing their homework!!! Prepare them for college and stop trying to entertain them.

Vote Republican

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 10/31/2009 - 2:24pm.

Yeah, there is a whole passel of people in PTC who think that a dozen sports fields and Churches is all they need!

They DO NOT want the responsibility of a Youth Center with everything needed inside. Everything from Libraries-WI Fie rooms,study halls, gyms, locker rooms, pools, burgers, to licensed Psychologists.

And enforced rules!

Submitted by LawAbidingCitizen on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 9:45pm.

lol... you nerds are hilarious... "pools/tennis courts/open play areas/outdoor field hockey rinks/skate board park/BMX track/frisbee golf, even a place for a kid to take their dog" These are all excellent examples of things we have to do, but... hmmm do you have a suggestion for after 8:30PM besides walking the dog??? Just because you grew up in the north, inside playing your "nofriendo"... err nintendo, doesn't mean we offer a lot for our young people. We are in close proximiy to Atlanta-our young people leave because we are a boring town. Although we do have excellent places to walk the friggin' dog.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 11:02pm.

for school activities, maybe spending some time with the books on school nights would be beneficial. As for week-ends, most kids would go out of their neighborhood even if they had more available to them. We don't pretend to be Atlanta, and I think most of the people here do no want to live in an Atlanta type atmosphere. That's not why we moved here. The young adults may move out but when they marry and settle down, many return. I don't know how old you are but there is too much of that mentality--that we always have to be supplying our children with something to do. My parents and most other parents did not fret over whether we had something to do or not. If we complained about being bored they would be only too happy finding something for us to do---and it was usually something we would not have had in mind.

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Submitted by The Wedge on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 9:57pm.

If you are talking High School age, there is nothing additional that they can do in other places. If you are discussing 21 and over, then you may have a point. But those in that demographic tend to want to live in a high density life style. Things like apartments and late night clubs, taxis, and many other young people. I really do not want a section of Peachtree City devoted to this lifestyle. Is this what you are suggesting?

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 1:34am.

I saw a bunch of them straightened out in the Army. It's the best thing you can do for a kid with ADD.

Vote Republican

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 10:41am.

Let me ask you this. What would it take to entertain your kids? There is plenty to do in this town. I think the real problem is that the average kid in this town just has too much and always wants more. As for kids not coming back that has nothing to do with a lack of amenities in our town. That's just part of growing up. You graduate high school, you go to college, then you go where ever you can find a job.

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Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 10:01am.

remember that there was a place for teens to go--next door to Frank and Fries. Friends of mine ran it--and it died. There was a movie theater that went dark and was finally torn down-where Carrabas now sits. Teens still went to Fayetteville to go to the movies. If we would ever get over
the mentality that we have to supply our children with everything. I know plenty of people in the 20-35 year range who have lived here all their lives and continue to live here. Schools offer all kinds of activities--even if we had more amenities here the teens would probab ly go elsewhere to look for them. That is the nature of the 'beast'. Our Peachtree City children have it so much nicer than many other communities--they just have to make the effort.

Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 7:03pm.

Tons more to do here than in most towns of this size....how could you think otherwise?

How many towns of this size offer as many pools/tennis courts/open play areas/outdoor field hockey rinks/skate board park/BMX track/frisbee golf, even a place for a kid to take their dog...and you can walk/cart/ride a bike to most all of them.

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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 6:57pm.

If you are a loser living with your single mother in Harmony Village you could go out and terrorize the seniors in the next community.
Or, if you are a white bread PTC kid, you could ride your cart blasting your radio.
Or if you are headed to the tire shop for your career, you could take your skate board out (at age 17) and show us your moves.
Or, if you were a normal kid of any color or ethnicity, you could take your dog to the dog park, play soccer, lacrosse or tennis (mostly for free) and thank God on Sunday.

Or, you could move to Cobb or Gwinnett and score some drugs and get high and race down the 285 on your crotch rocket. Good luck with that, dude.

Cynical - you bet I am. Why can't you people just raise your kids like I did. Grow up with your real friends, stay out of trouble and talk to me when you have problems. What is so hard about that?

Scott came out allright. He may not be mayor next year, but he is a fine example of how kids should be raised in PTC.

Submitted by PTCGOIL on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 5:31pm.

Could not respond to a question about what to do about Lexington Park. He did not know where it was. When he was reminded where, he joked about "Oh yeah, Katie's Fine Wine and Moonshine".
Cute comment in private (maybe). Not appropriate at a Candidate Forum for Mayor. I'm sure the owners over there don't see the humor when they look at the mess outside their doors.

Mr. Rowland is very much out of his league in this candidacy.

And I'm sorry, but did Cyndi Plunkett do anything except mumble about past actions on council (I wouldn't do that if I were you, Cyndi!) and never ONCE gave a straight answer to any question that was prefaced with, "If you become mayor what will you do about....?" Not once was there a forward thinking moment. No vision, no plan. Except maybe to step over mayor job to get a future state job.

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Submitted by Hoosier Fan on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 7:18am.

Yeah, Rowland may have stumbled over his Lexington Park response last Tuesday evening, but let's remember it was the long-time incumbants, Plunkett and Boone, who created messes like Lexington Park, 54 West, and who knows what else if they get re-elected.

All the PTC incumbants NEED to go!

By the way, I've been on this website long enough to know I should ignore posts from people who create new Citizen accounts in the last few weeks before a local election.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 3:33pm.

It should have been "I'm not going to a damn thing about it." What are elected officials of PTC supposed to do about a failed private venture that was a stupid idea in the first place, but also not in their purview? Any answer besides "nothing" is a bunch of BS, though I suppose a candidate could claim that they are going to work "really hard" with the Development Authority to make it something awesome. Whatever.

I'm sorry, but the quality of life and everything else in PTC is not being affected by a small development way off of 54 that no one sees and some have no idea is even there.

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 7:15pm.

And the Development Authority needs to stay out of Lexington Circle, let it fail and wait for it to come back after foreclosure as a much cheaper project. The town homes are a disaster for sure and they will eventually be sold under $100k. Can you say Hola to cinco compadres in a 2-br with a view of Katie's dumpster?

The commercial parcels need to be self storage and cheap office space for chiropractors and insurance weasels.

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 8:02pm.

What about check cashing places? and more upstart churches like on dividend.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 10:49pm.

the scuzzies you see going in and out there business must be good--not sure just what the business is--but hey, guess revenue is revenue.

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 9:12pm.

It was the second Matt Barnes post that amused me.

As to the first, I totally agree with the debunking of the "there is nothing to do" myth foisted on this community by teenagers. Consider by comparison those teenagers born into a town of 500 and a county of 5,000. They can make the argument far more persuasively but don't. I believe that this "nothing to do" myth is an excuse to abuse drugs and alcohol.

Second Matt Barnes post--- very funny. Bring in more Seeker Friendly churches.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 6:09pm.

I met Mr. Rowland and his family at the airshow where they were meeting and greeting. He seems like a nice enough person and maybe down the road would be a good candidate for the council, after serving on some committees or boards, then after a few years of experience under his belt, and if he did a good job, consider running for mayor. Right now he does not seem to know enough about the area or how it should be run. I think it would be a mistake to elect him right now--we need more than on-the-job training with the situation what it is in our community, county, state and nation--all of these will determine how things go in our community especially money wise. We need experience and know-how.

Submitted by Ellie Mae on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 6:43pm.

I think that Scott Rowland would be an excellent choice. With the other two options of Haddix and Plunkett in my humble opinion he is the clear choice for me. He may lack the years of experience that will be found with the other "career" politicians, but he stands up for the things that I value most, Peachtree City's Land Use Plan and village concept. He has values and integrety that the others do not.

He may not have said much, but what he did not do was CLEARLY LIE as some others did. He has not chastised his opponents for their dedication to work or family, and he is running on a platform of listening to the people that elect him. Yes, he is different from current and past candidates by being up front and friendly, but don't we need someone that will be responsive to the communities needs? And one of the things he doesn’t have that his opponents have is baggage. He does not have a voting record on council that he has had to justify to voters who clearly do not agree with his voting. These things sound pretty darn good to me. I for one am willing to take a chance. The other choices just come with too much bad baggage.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 11:39am.

Boil this down to reality. You don't like me for my vote to outsource landscaping.

I find the 'career' statement rather amusing. As I do mudcat's statement I just want it too badly. My total campaign expenditures for the whole election is $2323.24. To date, Plunkett has spent $3724.14.

Now guess how much Rowland has spent? $8,245.07.

Don Haddix
Candidate for Mayor

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Submitted by mudcat on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 6:53pm.

He won the money raising contest which means he will have more ads and signs than either you or Cyndi. Isn't it sad that our leaders are selected that way? I think it is, but I'm ok with Scott as Mayor.

Sorry you had to resign your council position, I thought you (and your little buddy Doug) were effective against the developer juggernaught of Logsdon, Plunkett and the other one.

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 3:20pm.

with the voters of PTC is not the way I would go about winning over someone's confidence and or vote. That said, you always go back to that persona on here. Best of luck with it.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 3:36pm.

"Sturbaum agress with me!" "The rest of the Council........3-2 votes.....wahhhhhhhh!" It's beyond old and I'm over it.

Haddix has a problem expressing his viewpoint without attacking others, which definitely reminds me of the days of Steve Brown.

Submitted by Ellie Mae on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 2:38pm.

There are many reason that I choose not to vote for you. Landscaping is just one of many. And if I recall correctly that was a 5-0 vote. So your argument does not hold water. C. Plunkett voted exactly the same way.

Being a "career" politician doesn’t have as much to do with what you spend on the campaign (in my opinion) as how often, and what you campaign for. Choosing who one votes for is a very personal decision. I have made my choice. And personal attacks on me will win you no voters. We can all look at your voting record on council and let any vote you took (or all of them) sway our voting decision. Honestly, I can not say that Scott Rowland would not have voted differently in the particular issue you speak of. But what I can say from the heart, is that I believe him to be the better man for the job.

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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 10/12/2009 - 7:22pm.

The old school pols - Haddix and Plunkett are not getting the job done.
I was for an all-female vote until the Rotary forum and then I decided - pretty quickly that Cyndi needs to go away and Rowland is the man we need.

So, please vote for Scott and the 3 ladies - Vanessa, Kim and Beth. Our city will be better with these fine people running the show.

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 8:00pm.

why the 3 ladies? For the most part all of the candidates say they want the same things? No big boxes, pro land use plan, bring the town back to the original vision, etc. But what do the ladies bring to the table that the men do not?

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Submitted by The Prince on Tue, 10/13/2009 - 8:54pm.

Kim- Realtor. We have seen what has happened here.

Beth- Wants to buy millions worth of property to create some sort of tree reserve.

Fleisch- Has many ideas that will put us in court.

Vote. Barker, Les, Boone (still unsure about mayor).

"It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both."

-Machiavelli, The Prince

Submitted by ptcskeptic on Sun, 10/11/2009 - 9:17pm.

Here's how Fayette's young princes and princesses bring about that great Adequate Yearly Progress you've been hearing about. This is general knowledge among all college prep kids by sophomore year, so they need not bother reading further. Make sure your kids get all this by freshman year of high school:
1) Strategic 'sick' days and going in late give you extra time to study for that dreaded test or do some more work on that project. Bonus points on your test score if you call a loyal friend to check what was on the test you're about to make up. So, don't panic or stress about it so much. Good practice for future jobs as captains of industry.
2) Sleep thru class after that track meet, long team practice, or delayed study session.(This may not work in college, but for now it works for high school kids most of the time. Just a few teachers care enough to deal with it; you'll find out who they are.) Your friends will wake you in time to get to your next class or lunch.
3) Make sure your mom and maybe your dad put in lots of time as PTO officers and/or head up school projects the administration & taxpayer money do not cover. Parental face time is often much more important than yours as the student. It helps immensely if your mom has a background in marketing or public affairs & lives much of her life at school.
4) If you have any difficulty in courses such as APs you took to pad your resume for college apps, your parents will foot huge tutoring bills to help you keep those grades up. You'd never keep up your social life & heavy extracurricular schedule if you had to study all that material on your own! Hey, it's less expensive than private school tuition, isn't it? After all, it's de rigueur here to take multiple SAT prep courses to learn to 'game' test taking, so what's another few hundred bucks to make you look better than you really are?
5) And while you're taking the SAT, ignore the proctors' advisories not to flip back to sections of the exam required to have been already completed. Do whatever it takes; only your fellow hardworking students will make sneezing noises saying "ahh-CHEAT," etc., while you receive the fawning accolades from administrators during ceremonies later. No adults will refer to the dishonesty widely known among your fellow students; your partly ill-gotten record reflects well on your school & Fayette County schools, so don't worry about integrity. That's not important any more. The end justifies whatever means you need to take. You're entitled to everything you want so long as your parents can get it for you.
6) Finally, apply for lots of scholarships at schools you're not really interested in attending. You have to use those awards as leverage to try to get into that one you DO want to attend. Besides, the guidance folks and administrators want to show their appreciation for your parents' great marketing and PR job they've done for you all these years. It's not about your merits or true ability backed up by hard work. It's the reward for parents' picking up slack for you!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 5:18pm.

Welcome back, you're early aren't you?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 5:33pm.

Yep, got back just after lunch today. The withdrawal thingy wasn't as bad as I thought.

I see that "god" came down and set things straight on the "Teacher" thread.
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

Submitted by carnation123 on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 2:09pm.

Why is MHS and SMHS playing their football game on a mandated county furlough day? SCHS and WHS decided to move their game to Thursday night which seems like the right decision. Administrators, teachers, coaches, and bus drivers will all be putting in at least 5-6 hours that day. Looks like SCHS and WHS made the right decision, but why aren't MHS and SMHS following in their direction?

Submitted by phillips448 on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 7:08pm.

Wow!!!! It is hard to believe how the morale of school employees has rocketed downwards like an out of control roller coaster car! Good job all you higher ups who so brilliantly have managed to strip the ones in the trenches dealing with our students of any feelings of self worth!!!! We are not important after all..... I mean you guys are the ones pushing the paper around in a nice quiet office with an actual lunch hour! Meanwhile we who are with our students each day are covered up with more and more paper work and more duties and more after school PLU hours and transportation time getting to and from. But, we can supposedly do this with less and less money and coverage on insurance and higher class sizes and some parents who are out of control and jumping on teachers when they should be showing respect and offering encouragement and a helping hand!! I'm telling you people and you better listen up.......I have been in the schools for many years and I have never seen or heard the kind of despair in peoples voices that I have heard in recent months.Now, we get news that it is going to get much worse because of poor management of our funds. How about cutting some of the consultant math and reading jobs that take teachers out of classrooms for hours so they can learn some sappy new teaching strategy.Well here's a strategy..... leave the teachers in the classrooms and let them teach the students as they have been well trained to do!!! Get rid of all the people who come to schools as special ed consultants or are employed as reading and math teachers to the teachers!!! This is a huge waste of money and every teacher that I know feels these are the first jobs that should be cut.Oh and by the way... class size is of huge importance.It is impossible to have big classes and be as effective and meet all the needs of each student!! Impossible!!! By not getting rid of wasteful positions that don't make a difference to our children we are hurting the ones we are supposed to be helping. Think about it. Who is with your child each and every day? Those are the ones that should be supported in every way possible. I'm sure that this will be taken lightly as the ones making the decisions do what they want to do anyway but parents you are the ones they do listen to. For the sake of your children make noise about these issues. The continued success of our school system as we have known it is at stake.

Submitted by purpletulips on Thu, 10/01/2009 - 7:24pm.

I REALLY hope that you sent this letter to the school board. I doubt they read this blog. I doubt they read their emails. Please send this to them. You are correct. Our school system is a mess! We, like most of the families I know, moved here for the school system. I teach in the school system. I just cannot say for how much longer after all of this! Parents HAVE TO GET INVOLVED! The board and the administration seems to think very little of what the teachers feel, believe, or think. When our test scores plummet like our morale and the $700,000 house alot of these folks live in drops in value to the same amount as a home in Clayton, or Coweta County it will be TOO LATE!!

Submitted by AlarminglyCorrect on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 12:41pm.

...we had the floods in south Georgia and Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson said the floods were "racist" because in Albany, Ga. the water went where the black folk stayed. Hahaha. We need more comedians like him. Has anyone heard Jesse's take on this flood? Maybe we can get a few more laughs from that fool.

Submitted by AlarminglyCorrect on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 12:34pm.

You must be watching CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, or some other state controlled media. If you would listen to am radio, you would be much more informed. Of course, you don't have the 'nads to address obama's weak, pathetic, lame, irresponsible, lack of action....but, then again, you're a dumocrat and a lack of knowledge is your strong suit.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 1:19pm.

...hate black people, using that same "logic", since he let black folks drown and get flooded-out during Katrina.

Dumb statements don't make you look too smart, AC.

Time to get your mullet cut.

Submitted by AlarminglyCorrect on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 1:35pm.

You only say that because I'm a black conservative. If I was a loony lib with black skin, you would agree with me. Logic, values, ethics don't matter to libs. Still won't address the point, though. Typical dumocrats.

Submitted by AlarminglyCorrect on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 11:41am.

...to borrow a line from everyone's favorite jackass, kenye west. Well, we have had days of rain, people are dead, houses destroyed, even school buses flooded. Just like New Orleans. And where is obama? He's on Letterman, he's playing golf, he's at the UN giving more of America away. obama didn't even fly over in a helicopter. obama didn't even fill a sand bag. The only conclusion is obama hates white people. He can't stand the fact we are self-sufficient. He can't stand the fact that we don't won't his help, but we'll see what Sonny can get out of him anyway. obama was also, absent at the Iowa floods last year. The only reasonable explanation can be obama hates white people...using democrat logic, that is.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 12:59pm.

After almost six years of reading some of the most intelligent and knowledgeable comments from citizens in Georgia - I often wondered how could this state be 47 in achievement scores in the US? With the above sample of 'logic' - I get it.

Submitted by AlarminglyCorrect on Tue, 09/22/2009 - 1:14pm.

Sorry, to disappoint you, but I went to Chicago Public Schools. The funny thing is you still can't address the point made. Maybe I could blame Bush...or maybe the police for all my problems. I understand you are an expert at blaming the police.

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