FreeSpeech for 06-17-09

Tue, 06/16/2009 - 3:45pm
By: The Citizen

Poor Horgan, being branded unethical by Eric Maxwell. The only thing I can think of more incredible would be if Monica Lewinsky went on a teen abstinence lecture tour.

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With the departure of Robert Horgan apparently likely (despite the silence of stoic Chairman Jack), one wonders who would be the best replacement. In order to continue the dynamic developer synergy (complete with building their roads) that this commission has, the likely choices are either Sprayberry or Burrell. Flip a coin. The Chamber of Commerce cheers.

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For the last 17 years I and many other residents of Fayette County have trudged up to the Fayette tag office on our birthdays (what a gift) to diligently pay for our car tags to keep the letter of the law. Here now we have an elected commissioner who by his bio on the Fayette webpage was in avionics for years who cannot or will not abide by the same standards. He was caught being in possession of marijuana — instant termination in the airline business, as many of us know. Robert Horgan is a person we trust to make decisions for us. If that trust is broken, then who is left to look up to? Does it even matter any more? It would seem public institutions and their keepers have lost all moral authority. There seems to be a lack of accountability in the political arena anymore, so Robert Horgan should step up to the plate and be counted like the rest of us who move through life doing the right things. He has brought shame to himself, the public and most of all his family.

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I just would like to give this city a few tips on not being an extremely irritating, rude, customer and how to most likely get better service at a fast food drive-through: 1. When you get to the speaker, order! You have people behind you waiting, and if you want to sit and look at a menu for five minutes, come inside and order. 2. Turn off the phone. When you pull up to the window and I get to hear five minutes of your conversation before you order, it is not only rude, but chances are you will be the customer trying to rush me at the window. Trust me: I will go extra slow just for you. 3. Don’t ask the price on 10 items, then only order a drink. The prices are on the menu for a reason and I don’t memorize prices on every single item. 4. If your truck is a diesel, shut it off to order (thank you to those who already do this). I can’t hear you over your truck’s rumbling turbo-V8. 5. Not being rude, but if you don’t speak English, come inside. Not everyone in the window is multilingual and it slows us down, plus it is extremely frustrating (tu no hablas ingles, no debes usar el drive-through! Usas front counter). And to the customers who are courteous, intelligent, or just know how the system works, thank you. Most people are not a problem. This is to the few who chose to ignore logic and inconvenience others.

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Americans’ favorite pastime is dining out. Well, FYI, this is 2009, not 1970. The going rate for tipping is 20 percent, not 10 percent. Servers still make $2.20 per hour. People are still eating out with the slow economy but tipping 10 percent. Do us a favor: if you can’t afford an appropriate tip, dine at home.

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Okay, Fayetteville City Council, how much longer do we have to put up with the mess and eyesore of the jewelry store’s renovation on our “historical square”? What is that container out front now in front of all of the concrete rubble? Oh, yeah, it clearly states it is a “trashcan.” How much longer are you going to allow this to go on? By this way, is this not the same business that had a “going out of business sale” about two years ago? I was under the impression that if you had a going out of business sale that you in fact had to go out of business. Get this mess cleaned up. It does not say much for our city to the many visitors who come to the square to see such a thing. Looks great in the picture background.

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Our neighbor, a widow who lives alone, had a huge limb from a Peachtree City greenspace tree fall in her garden. It was almost the size of a tree. A neighbor told her to call the utility department and she did. They said they had had some layoffs and it would be a few days and they would try and drag the limb back in the woods and that was the best they could do. A rep came that day and verified it was a big limb and they would drag it back in the green space area. Faster than a cable appointment, two men turned up two days later and cut up the limb, put the pieces in the woods, cleaned the debris from her garden and said they would be back to haul it away since they didn’t have the big truck with them. We watched them work swiftly in the 88-degree heat and they were smiling as I cheered them on. I asked what department they were with, and they replied, cart path. Nice to see a good job done for a nice neighbor by caring guys.

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Citizen headline of the future: “Callula Hills HOA Demands Closure of Falcon Field Due to Noise and Safety Concerns; Planning Commission Supports HOA Recommendation.” ...

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I just had to write about the spectacular Chick-fil-A movie night we had at the amphitheater last Saturday. If this community only knew the generosity of Doug Mickey, owner of Chick-fil-A Dwarf House, we would all be amazed. And this is only a part of Mr. Mickey’s servant heart to reach out to his community. The theater was filled with people, to the point that I started checking their hands to see if the red 500 free meal tickets had run out. They kept going ... for the rest of the evening. Come to find out later that when Doug saw the number of people “choosing to spend their evening at his Chick-fil-A event,” he was “not going to have them do without food” and fed over 1,200 people. While there were quite a few that abused his generosity by eating the food and leaving, many families were very appreciative and enjoyed a most delightful evening filled with food, dancing and a movie under the stars on a surprisingly brisk June evening. I just think the community needs to know what a silently giving business man he is, and that this is just one of many ways that he expresses his appreciation to the community at large. Make sure to frequent the Dwarf House to let him know even in these hard times, we appreciate that he has not cut back on his generosity. MOOOOOOOOOOOOORAH, Mickey!

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I would just like to express my gratitude to the kind people that stopped to help my teenage daughter when her car overheated near Haverty’s in Fayetteville. I didn’t get the name of the first kind gentleman and his wife that stopped to make sure she was OK. They waited with her until she had contacted AAA and they said they were on their way. This couple then called me at work to tell me that she was all right, and AAA was coming. A while later, after noticing my daughter stuck with her hood up, a man named Wally stopped to see if she needed help. Wally was a mechanic on his lunch break. He evaluated the problem with my daughter’s car, and even though she had no money on her, he drove to an auto parts store and bought a hose and some antifreeze, and proceeded to drive back and took care of the needed repairs. My daughter called me and I was able to transfer money to repay Wally. We didn’t need AAA to tow our car, and my daughter was able to drive away in a safe car. Thank you again to these caring people who took time out of their day to stop and help a young girl in trouble on the road. If everybody would live their lives this way, what a much better world we would have. So, I promise, in their honor, I will pay it forward, starting with lunch. I assume you missed lunch that day, Wally, so check your mail for a lunch card on me. Thanks again. God bless you.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 5:27am.

Are you still slaving away in that corner office with no windows.
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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 5:57am.

I certainly am, boss is on vacation, so someone has to show up!

Only 11 days and I'll be drinking my coffee at sunrise on the beach, wooohooo! Sure would be nice to hit the lottery today, and watch the sunrise everyday, LOL!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 07/01/2009 - 6:25am.

Now it's just 10 days till sand-between-your-toes time. BTW,"Git" is in OK tending those fence lines out in the lower 40. He calls it "vacation". It sounds like work to me.
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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 07/01/2009 - 7:17am.

10 days! I'm soooo looking forward to it! Didn't win that $94M yesterday, but $113M would be a lot better anyway. LOL!

Oklahoma, ya know I used to have family that I visited who lived in a very very very small town in Oklahoma nothing to do, nothing to see, you talk about a time warp! And miles and miles of miles and miles, and all of it fenced in. I can appreciate a slower pace, peace and quiet away from the rat race, but not for long! I have decided if I'm ever told I have 30 days to live, I will move to that small town because each day there is like an eternity! At any rate tending those fence lines might be exciting, hope ole Git enjoys.

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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 12:40pm.

Which beach?

We've postponed our beach trip by a week or more as I am trying to finish helping my son build a deck on his house in Rome. (My first deck ever, and, I must say that we do MUCH, MUCH, MUCH better work than the company of monkeys that I paid $5000 to build mine a couple of years ago!!!!! We're slow because we are thinking it through, but I am amazed at the results due to our care.) Anyway, Mrs. Muddle and I will head to Cocoa Beach--our old stomping ground from long, long ago--in a week or so.

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 2:09pm.

good to hear from you. Glad to know you and your some are feeling rewarded with you handiwork. Ain't it aggravating to think what someone would charge you, for work you can do so much better. "Thinking it through", what an interesting concept, LOL!! Hope y'all take a few minutes when finished and enjoy propping your feet up on that deck and having a cold one.

I know you are looking forward to your beach trip, what is it about the sand, the wind and the waves . . .I'm counting the days.

Y'all take care.

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 6:05am.

Then you would really be useless even without a cubby hole that is windowless!

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 6:21am.

Useless you say . . .let's see if I hit the lottery that is $90 some million, hanging out at the beach with that pocket change, gee I could accept being useless, lol . . . have a good one!

Submitted by ptcmom3kids on Sun, 06/28/2009 - 6:29pm.

I regularly tip 20% for excellent service - as does everyone in my party. If you are earning less than 15% on average - I would take a look at the competency of my service. Also - I will NOT tip for counter service. More and more I'm seeing tip jars on counters for self-serve/fast food type restaurants. Unless you take my order and bring me my food - not gonna happen.

Submitted by Bonkers on Sun, 06/28/2009 - 8:17pm.

Just how do you knmow "your party" all tip 20%?

Your attitude signifies your feelings of superiority.
What is "competent service" for someone making $2.25 per hour?
Cow-towing, maybe?

Anybody can take an order and drop it off!

I hate the whold process. I say pay them $10-12 an hour minimum and raise the price of the food 15%. No tip necessary. If you are going to pay 20% extra anyway, what would it hurt?

Submitted by ptcmom3kids on Mon, 06/29/2009 - 10:09pm.

If I do not perform my job well - my salary, at some point will reflect it (assuming I'm even allowed to continue on with the company). Why would someone in food service expect anything else? Maybe your "tips" are reflected by your performance? While I will certainly concede that some folks are "cheap" and won't tip well, regardless of the service, I do believe that most will tip on the competency and attitude of the server. If a server thinks all there is to their job is to take the order and drop it off - I would definitely say their tips will reflect their lack of interest in customer service!

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 5:43am.

Well, you made my point again!

Impress me--the superior one.

Why don't you want them paid for work and not begging you for tips?
If they don't do a good job they will be fired if earning a decent wage.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 5:56am.

And if Obumbles "cap and trade" and socialized medicine programs are implemented, the waiters and waitresses won't have to worry about tips. They won't have jobs to go to because no one will be able to afford to go dine out.

They will be spending their disposable income on electricity, gas, and paying for the health insurance for all of the non-productive blood-sucking leaches that voted Obumbles into office.

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a
happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the
other. -- Ronald Reagan

Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 6:15am.

Come into the 21st century---everyone gets treated when sick.

The health bill will cost us nothing.

The profit and waste will be eliminated. 25% of our economy now for health costs is stupid! There are more bums peddling medicine and entertaining doctors now than there are health cheats! (cost wise).

I currently get about $500 per year of health paperwork generated by paid people. We don't need that!

$2-300 thousand dollars per year is enough for physicians! That would be competitive for talent.

We pay laborers about $8 an hour. Family medical insurance is up to $16,000 per year. After taxes he would owe the insurance company money! No food money or shelter money or clothes money.

Everyone can't fly for Delta!

Although King David had 10,00 wives and more concubines, he didn't allow slaves anything. He didn't succeed even with God on his side.
Solomon, his son, did even worse.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Tue, 06/30/2009 - 8:20am.

The Obumbles administration has already admitted that they will probably tax employer provided health care in order to pay for this debacle, so your statement is patently false.

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a
happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the
other. -- Ronald Reagan

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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 06/25/2009 - 4:45pm.

The US Supreme Court ruled today on this case and by a 8-1 margin said; NO. The sole dissenter, Justice Thomas, noted that this should be allowed as it is obvious that drugs could be concealed in undergarments.

BTW, the same court said that school officials are immune to monetary damages.

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Thu, 06/25/2009 - 7:34pm.

Strip Search of Teenage Girl by PTC was upheld in the federal courts about 20 years ago. A young school girl was suspected to be in possession of marijuana and was forced to disrobe and was inspected by police. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the search. Mayor Fred Brown applauded the police in the case.

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Submitted by DarthDubious on Thu, 06/25/2009 - 8:18pm.

the fascist government will send a SWAT team to your house and make you like it!!!

In Liberty,


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 06/25/2009 - 7:43pm.

to the Supreme Court.

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Submitted by ilockemup on Thu, 06/25/2009 - 8:31pm.

I remember the case. I believe the girl's name was Justice.

Submitted by mcgloryl on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 11:25am.

One question. Why does clayton county look better than fayette county? I dont think they have mowed the grass all summer... For being so high and mighty on their county they dont want to take care of it.... So why not mow it!!!!!!!!!!

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Fri, 06/26/2009 - 9:04am.

The kendron area looks great. I have lived here for 12 years and the lanscaping near lake shirewood looks better then ever.

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Submitted by AtHomeGym on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:59pm.

Just depends on exactly where you are talking about. TheCounty is responsible for mowing the right of way on County Roads and the State is responsible for mowing the right of way on State Roads. "High and mighty?"--obviously a personal opinion.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 11:35am.

Clayton County which allows a larger labor pool to cut grass. Eye-wink
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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 06/21/2009 - 6:43am.

Happy Fathers Day. Smiling
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Submitted by Cyclist on Sat, 06/20/2009 - 7:49am.

I sure hope this helps!
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Submitted by DarkMadam on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 10:43am.

To the person that wrote about the jewelry store on the square. You write fairly well, but your reading skills need some work. It was a retirement sale. Maria Rodriguez was retiring after years or work in the store with her husband Walter Rodriguez who had recently passed away. They came to Fayetteville to open a top quality jewelry store and that is just what they did. Walter created the jewelry that I wear every day. The only jewelry that I wear. He also designed my best friend’s pendent that is a one of a kind shamrock. If you ever visited the store you would see that they have won numerous awards for their work. I used to work in the very building that they are rehabbing. It is a very old building and they are doing the restoring that it really needs to keep the area "historical". Cut them some slack. They are trying to keep with the historical downtown theme and also provide what surrounding jewelry store can not - Quality Craftsmanship!

Submitted by square fan on Fri, 06/19/2009 - 7:48pm.

I too am eager for the contruction to be finished at Town Square Jewelry- however, mine is because I think the finished store will be a great asset to the Square.
If anyone has ever remodeled an old building or home you know it always takes longer than expected. A remodel is totally different than building from the ground up. You run into all kinds of situations that can not be anticipated until you are under way. It is also messier- because you have to dismantle and demolition before you can rebuild. If I am remembering right it hasn't even been a year yet. When we remodeled our home it took over a year.
Just looking at the exterior work on the store shows that great care has been taken to make it fit into the square. I noticed that it mimics the lines of the old court house. It is going to be a great addition when finished. I would much rather they take the necessary time and do it right - than rush to a less than satifactory finish.
For the record I ride by there almost everyday. It was obvious that the parking lot was being reworked and the dumpster was there for that reason. I don't believe it was there for more than a week. I don't think that is unreasonable.
Rather than asking the city council to reprimand the store owners- I ask them to commend them and to support them. They are supporting the Fayette Square and Downtown Area- they could have abandoned it had left yet another empty building.

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 06/20/2009 - 5:38am.

There is no such place! There won't be at the current effort.

Currently, it is a place for county workers to park, to make a transition from 54 to 85 for travelers, and a traffic jam.

The entire square needs to be demolished, a by-pass built, and a carefully planned square re-built--not by locals but by experts.

Just don't forget central convenient parking if you want people to come and pay taxes.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 7:42am.

President Obama dispatching a fly.

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Submitted by muddle on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 8:11am.

What's next from PETA? Should I worry about taking antibiotics out of a direct moral concern for the organisms producing my fever?

Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 1:02pm.

Just think of all them cows killed for customers of Longhorn and Outback? McDonalds must hold the death record, however.

Them germs dieing to make all that beer must be intolerable.

You know some of those same people complaining are for our recent wars!

I have been trying to get the birds in my yard to quit eating bugs and worms, but they won't!

Cat kills are the worst. They torture first!

Ever see a lion claw down a zebra!

Poor old mice have to be large snake meals don't they?

We are a bad bunch of dudes aren't we?

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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 7:40am.

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Submitted by allegedteacher on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 5:33am.

I paid my way through college on the tips I made waiting tables. I learned that the more helpful I was and the more pleasing I made the experience for my customers, IN GENERAL, the more money I made. That being said, both considerate and inconsiderate people eat out, and I think people tip according to their own personality more than the service they receive. Those customers who were extremely demanding and complained constantly,in spite of my best efforts, had already determined my tip before they sat down. I found the ones easier to please to be better tippers; perhaps they understood the person waiting on them was a fellow human, doing the best she could. Now, as an older adult, when I eat out, I remember when I waited tables those many years ago and see myself or one of my daughters in the place of that person and hope that she (or he) both gives and receives humane treatment, as well as provides her/his best service. I know that, at the end of my shift, even though I encountered a few obnoxious customers and a lot of generous ones, I was better for having done my best.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 12:47am.

I don't punish the wait staff for a kitchen screw up. As long as they smile and are attentive to our table while we wait I'll leave 20%. They can't control the kitchen staff, and in most cases it seems as though management can't control them either. If I am actually provoked into leaving a 15% tip or less I'm going to talk to the manager.
There really is no free lunch in life. I agree, if you can't afford a 15-20% tip for good service save your money and stay at home.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 6:25am.

There is a BIG difference between a "kitchen screw up" and inattentive, mediocre or just plain lousy service. Kitchen screw-ups happen and I'm not one that expects a free meal because of it. Heck we all mess-up every now and then and contrary to what some might think I'm really not that difficult. Eye-wink

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Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 06/18/2009 - 7:02am.

You seem pretty easy going. Have a good weekend.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 12:47pm.

A 20% tip in this economic climate? What have you been smoking?
I always leave 15% if the service is good to excellent, and 10% if so-so.

You're dreaming if you think that you are going to get 20%. If you don't think 15% is enough, too bad.

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a
happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the
other. -- Ronald Reagan

Submitted by Hey on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 8:39pm.

We never leave less than a 20% tip for our servers. They would have to be horrible for us to leave less than that.
These people make less than minimum wage - which should be against the law- and they depend on their tips.
When I go out for dinner, I enjoy the fact that I'm not having to cook and clean the kitchen. Someone else is waiting on me and to me it's worth a 20% tip. Good grief, how much extra is that anyway?
We have left more than 20% on occasion, and no we aren't rich. It's just nice to make someone's day better sometimes.
I have personally known servers who work hard - yes I've seen them in action- to provide great service to their customers only to get two or three dollars from a large party or no tip at all.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 6:21pm.

Do us a favor: if you can’t afford an appropriate tip, dine at home.

Okay. Please tell me which eating establishment you are at and we'll be more than glad to dine elsewhere. I'm certain there are many of your peers who would disagree with your position.

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Submitted by marymary on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 8:08pm.

What rockslide have you been buried under. A 30% tip has been the socially acceptable amount for many, many years. There are many of us out here who observe the social niceties and know how to behave in public. I agree that if you can't afford to follow the dining etiquette rules, stay home or go through the takeout.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:07pm.

18% - 20% is my norm for good service. 15% is for the mediocre service I receive 75% of the time. And rarely will I leave 10% or less. But rest assured if I do the service really sucked. (And I'm not hard to please at all) I will say that about once a year I've been known to stiff some clown that made my dining experience less than desireable. Such as several years ago when at Ruby Tuesdays in Fayetteville I left zilch for a tip when the waiter told Mrs. Git "Can't you just use your fork" when she requested a spoon with her coffee and dessert. Mary I've left 30% or more on very rare occasions and rest assured the service was fantastic and memorable. I can assure you that in Fayette County there are very few servers that even deserve the customary 15%.

I'll cut you some slack on your "rockslide comment" as it is obvious you are fairly inexperienced and naive when it comes to blogging and 'Real Life'. But know that I'm here if you need me Toots.

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Sun, 06/21/2009 - 4:18pm.

I take lunch at the same restaurant every day, spending between $7 and $9 for myself and tipping between $3 and $4. Others in my party do the same. The staff knows us by name and treats us like royalty.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 6:18am.

First, I don't believe you!
You "take" lunch. You mean you steal it? I eat mine.

And, you tip 40-50%! Where do YOU wait on tables?

So now you are royalty due to heavy tipping? BS, they dispise you for acting pompous!

Submitted by Davids mom on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 9:11am.

For groups larger than 6; 18% tip is automatically added to bill. For banquets/buffet or individually served - 22%. There are times when groups will add to the bill when service/food has been exceptional. Individuals from obvious average means are considered 'pompous' or 'insecure' when the tip is 50%. However - I bet it's appreciated!!!

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:35pm.

Ever have a bad day at work? I bet you have. I also bet your pay was the same as a good day.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:42pm.

Rest assured little buddy I know the difference between a bad day and poor service. And I can assure you that as a businessman my pay is NOT the same on bad days as it is on good days. And my people DO get paid the same regardless.

Having a bad day at work as server doesn't mean you get to take it out on the customer and respect the same tipping results as they might have received had their server not had burr up their a......

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Submitted by The Wedge on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 8:21pm.

A 30% tip is not considered "socially acceptable" in the businesses of this land. I travel a lot with my company and on the corporate dime and I can say unequivocally that in most cities a large party of 9 or more will garner an automatic 18% tip. Most businesses use 15% as the standard and have policies dictating such. I certainly have not come from under a rock slide and I am curious about your information.

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Submitted by mudcat on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 8:00pm.

15% is definetly the max unless hubby is hosting an unruly bunch of drunks then 20% is expected. Don't be shocked, it has happened.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 8:54pm.

Thanks for remembering.

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Submitted by AtHomeGym on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 7:54pm.

Git, clearly someone who works at a fast-food drive-thru. Easy to avoid. And most servers I've come in contact with, regardless of where they work, don't deserve a 20% tip. I kinda like the system in Germany, where most resturants clearly state on the menu that there is a 15% svc charge included in the price of menu items. Then, if you wish, you can add an additional tip by rounding up an odd number to an even one. Worked for everyone.

Submitted by Bonkers on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 7:04pm.

I would like to know how you feel about restaurant owners paying waiters at least the minimum wage or more, depending upon their value?

Handling all of those nasty one-dollar bills off dirty tables has made many ill.
They do it anyway for the $9-10 dollars per hour they make in total X 20-25 maximum hours per week, which is a couple of hundred per week, part-time.

I simply don't like those prudes who demand things from these people just to see if they will grovel for a buck or more tip!

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Submitted by matt.barnes on Wed, 06/17/2009 - 9:28pm.

Read through these coments. I spent about 4 out of the last 8 yrs as a server. I do not believe in the percentage system. A waiter that serves a $5.00 meal works just as hard as a waiter that serves a $20.00 meal. Why should there be a difference in pay? Wendy's is required to pay $6.25 (min wage) and the Outback only pays $2.25. Why?
There is a lot of talk on this website about acountability. No one is as acountable as servers.

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