Talking pot behind closed commission doors

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Scene: The Fayette County Commission goes behind closed doors for an executive session devoted to “personnel matters.”

Commission Chairman Jack Smith: “Robert, you’ve put me in a bad spot with this pot bust of yours.”

Commissioner Robert Horgan: “Let me light up first. I need to mellow out. My nerves are shot.”

Commissioner Eric Maxwell: “You are innocent until proven guilty, Robert. I’m an attorney, and I sue people. So, who do you want to sue for arresting such a peaceful, upstanding, law-abiding — uh, well, you know what I mean.”

Commissioner Herb Frady: “Zzzzzzzzzzz.”

Smith: “Wake up, Herb! This is serious.”

Commissioner Lee Hearn: “This better not affect my West Fayette Parkway! I’m a road-builder, and we’re decades behind building my roads in Fayette County.”

Smith: “Robert, people are saying you broke the ethics ordinance by toking while trucking. We’ve fired employees for doing what you did. You’ve put me in a bad spot.”

Horgan: “This was a personal, private, non-official, off-duty, minding-my-own-business mistake. Why are you being mean to me? I’m just trying to stay level.”

Maxwell: “You’re innocent, Robert! I can get you off with a nolo. I know some judges ...”

Frady: “Zzzzzzzzzzz.”

Hearn: “Wake up, Herb. Guys, we’ve got to move past this and condemn some more property and build some more roads to open up all that land some big developers are paying interest on. Guys, these developers are in a bad way. The banks are putting pressure on them. All that SPLOST money is pouring in, and we’ve got to spend it on something. We’ve got to do some more parkways and help them out. Forget this pot stuff.”

Horgan: “Anybody got a light?”

Smith: “Robert, I’m embarrassed by this mistake of yours. What are you going to do about it?”

Horgan: “I’m going to mellow out and rebuild trust with my constituents. What are we paying these county deputies for anyway? Don’t they have better things to do than stop good, official people who are just driving down the road minding their own business in a company truck that’s just a few days late on renewing the tag? I mean, who doesn’t do that?”

Maxwell: “I’m telling you, Robert. You can beat this. After all, lots of people believe pot should be legalized. There’s a few votes there. And all kinds of people are late on renewing their tags. You’ve already rebuilt trust with these folks.”

Frady: “Zzzzzzzzzzz.”

Hearn: “Wake up, Herb. As an experienced road-builder in both Fayette and Henry counties, I’m telling you that we are wasting valuable time. There’s prime paving season coming up. Spend that SPLOST! Build those parkways! Help those developers! After all, they helped us.”

Smith: “Robert, you’ve got to screw up your courage and do the right thing about this. People are saying things about me. This has made me look bad.”

Horgan: “Ethics, schmethics. What is my dealer going to think? I’ve brought heat on him. Where are I going to get product that good from here on? I mean, my gosh, the deputies might even arrest him!”

Maxwell: “Robert, you have the right to remain silent. You didn’t snitch on your supplier, did you? That drug task force has plenty of pot to confiscate without harassing your small-business person who was after all only doing you a favor.”

Horgan: “Yeah, and he’s been doing this for a long time, and he sure doesn’t need this publicity.”

Smith: “Robert, you’ve got to do the right thing. For my sake. People are looking at me as if I’ve done something wrong. But all I’ve done is try to put this behind us and move on to the real business of the county.”

Hearn: “Finally! Let’s build some roads! Let’s lay down some asphalt! I love the smell of asphalt in the morning! It’s the smell of ... developers’ contributions.”

Smith: “All right. We’ve got to get back out in public. We’ve got an appeal from a county employee who’s about to be terminated for pot smoking.”

Maxwell: “You’ve got to be kidding me. He has some nerve to appeal such an obvious firing offense. He knows the rules. He broke them. He’s got to go.”

Frady: “(Snort, sputter.) Who’s got to go? Horgan’s a good man. We need more like him.”

Hearn: “Shut up, Herb. We’re not talking about Robert. We’re talking about this doofus county employee who was stupid enough to get caught smoking pot. He’s got to go. Like a steamroller over hot pavement.”

Smith: “After we uphold his firing, I’m receiving a plaque from my adoring public for my high ethical standards. Robert, I hope you won’t mind, but when they take my photograph, I’d rather you stand out of the picture.”

[Commission prepares to exit the closed room and return to the public chamber.]

Frady: “Zzzzzzzzzz.”

All four: “Herb, wake up!”

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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 9:52am.

Cal, this is hilarious!! I think there is some truth in your comments and that's awful!!
Most everyone is zeroing in on the pot! What about the county code of ethics? Horgan didn't follow them!!! What about his comment to the deputy..."anything we can do to resolve this right here, right now."

Horgan is an elected official!! I can vote against him but ...what about now? He should resign immediately!!

Tug Smiling

Submitted by PreciousStahr on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 7:55am.

Great satire Cal. What a bunch of dopeheads. Pot smoker would be the majority of the voters.

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Submitted by All Smiles on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 5:05am.

I can really see something like this taking place. How sad!

Submitted by I Watch on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 10:35pm.

Horgan won’t resign, so he must be hounded out of office by the citizens. Otherwise, we will have a convicted drug law breaker as our elected representative. How shameful, but it’s worse than that. Horgan won’t identify his drug dealer. For that the court should jail him for contempt until he names the dealer, because drug dealers are a menace to our children. Look at this example.

There’s a 16 year old boy named Greg Murray lying in a grave in Tyrone. Greg was killed three years ago by a drug dealer who gave him methadone that caused Greg to stop breathing. Drive down Senoia Road most any day and look at the cemetery across the post office. You’ll see a bench next to Greg’s grave and his still grieving parents sitting there mourning.

The drug dealer got 5 years for manslaughter and gets out in three this year. Greg got a death sentence forever. Horgan’s dealer is probably preying on our children right now; some of whom may end up like Greg. We cannot have Robert Horgan protecting drug dealers and at the same time running the County’s business. We must hound him out of office. He can never “rebuild the people’s trust”. Let’s go to every Commissioner’s meeting and demand his resignation. Let’s picket the County administration building with signs saying “a vote of no confidence for Robert Horgan” until he quits in shame.

Submitted by kellik on Fri, 06/12/2009 - 2:54pm.

Why is this such an issue? Can't you just not vote for him in the next election? I am with you that it was wrong and unethical. However, much worse has been done to violate ethics in our local and state government. Why is this the worse issue?

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Submitted by grassroots on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 9:25am.

Good idea. Whatever topic the citizens are upset about...not just Horgan. Property taxes, the WFB, the environment, etc. Do we need a permit?

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 9:11am.

I'm not sure where to start.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 7:23am.

First off, a lot of pot smokers grow their own supply these days, so assuming that Horgan is buying his stash from some big-time drug dealer is quite a leap in logic. Even if Horgan ID"s some drug dealer somewhere, it's hardly like it makes any difference whatsoever in the big picture. It is not contempt of court to not identify the drug dealer and exactly how is anyone going to prove that someone he ID's is in fact who he bought it from? This is a MISDEMEANOR crime Horgan was arrested for. He didn't have 500 pounds of cocaine or crystal meth he was distributing to the masses. He had all of enough pot to fit into a small pill bottle, hence the quantity was low enough to be considered a MISDEMEANOR. No one in law enforcement is going ot be gung-ho about a big investigation into where Horgan got a small amount of pot.

Next, drug dealers only exist because people want drugs and are willing to pay, pay, pay to get those drugs. No demand and there are no drug dealers. The idea that it is drug dealers getting people hooked on a heroin substitute like methadone is simply shifting the blame off the user who eagerly paid his/her money to do something they knew was illegal/wrong/stupid/whatever and on to someone else.

Arresting drug dealers and users isn't going to bring Greg Murray back. Unfortunately, the death of a person like Greg Murray is maybe the only way that others "get the message" about illegal drug use. The USA can do a much better job with drug education taught from a scientific standpoint that is objective and not fear-mongering, but at the end of the day, someone dying becomes Exhibit A about the dangers of drug usage.

I'm all for the citizens doing whatever to convince him to resign, but that's a political matter, not a law enforcement issue.

Submitted by I Watch on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 12:21pm.

Robert Horgan might be growing his own pot, so there is no need to even ask him where he got it. Even big-time drug dealers are not important in the “ big picture.” It’s not worth investigating because you can’t prove if Horgan is telling the truth about whom he got his pot from anyway. A judge can’t hold a person in contempt of court from refusing to answer a question. Horgan has not done anything wrong because he didn’t have 500 lbs of cocaine or meth. It is solely the fault of the teenager Greg Murray that he is dead from taking drugs because teenagers are fully grown with precise understandings of their surroundings and we adults need not care about trying to protect them. Drug dealers are not at fault because they are just making a living selling illegal drugs to knowledgeable teenagers. Since Greg Murray is already dead, there is no need to arrest the drug dealers. If enough teenagers die, then the drug dealer will go out of business and the problem will be solved. Ethics have no place in political matters. Horgan can smoke his pot at home, then come to public hearings and make logical decision for the best interests of everyone, even though he doesn’t make good decisions for himself. Lawmakers who break the laws they swore to uphold, should still make laws for other people.

This is stinking thinking. The drug dealer who contributed to Greg Murray’s death was not "big-time". He was a 25 yr old punk who hired teenagers to help him lay carpet while he stole drugs from his customer's medicine cabinets. Then paid his helpers off in stolen drugs while enticing teenage girls with drugs to have sex with him. I guess I’ve lived too long because I remember when there was no drug problem. But I guess Nuk is not old enough to remember how a good society can be accomplished. But it ain’t trying to justify Robert Horgan’s situation.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 1:28pm.

I am not saying everyone needs to throw their hands up in the air and say "we give up on this here drug thing." I am not saying that Horgan should/shouldn't resign as I frankly didn't vote for him and I wouldn't miss him if he quit. If he doesn't, the voters are certainly free to not re-elect the guy if he so chooses to run again. What he did was illegal and a misdemeanor under our laws. There is no dispute there. The legal issue is a separate one from the political issue, however. He doesn't HAVE to quit if he doesn't want to. Even the apparent violation of the ethics ordinance hardly means anything as the sanction is a small fine and the other commissioners saying "you're a bad boy."

What I am saying is that it is already against the law to use/sell/possess certain drugs. How did that help Greg Murray or anyone else? How has the billions and billions of dollars spent on attempting to enforce drug laws affected the problem of drug use, legal or illegal?
Arrest every single drug dealer on the entire planet today and they will be almost instantly replaced tomorrow. The approach that somehow enough laws and gazillions of dollars spent will solve a drug problem has been a tremendous and complete failure. The only thing that the War on People has accomplished is: tons of jobs for law enforcement, a lot of Americans with criminal records and full prisons, and a bunch of dead people. Oh yeah, a thriving black market that stretches globally and breeds more crime.

When exactly did this country not have a drug problem? I'm pretty close to 50 and I sure have never seen a time in my life where drugs weren't prevalent, ESPECIALLY in Fayette County where the money in the community means plenty of users. Yeah, I'm sure that now there are more drugs being consumed(especially legal ones)than before, but what does that have to do with 2009? The ship has long ago sailed on trying to combat drugs with punishment and Americans have an obsessive love affair with all manner of drugs, legal or illegal. There is a whole mentality of thinking when it comes to both legal and illegal drugs that will have to be changed long before the drug problem gets under control, and punishment doesn't come close to doing that.

There is hardly anything resembling a cohesive American "society" these days and laws aren't going to ever bring those days back. It's time to tackle issues through the much better means of education and awareness instead of "punishment" that doesn't seem to scare hardly anyone.

Submitted by I Watch on Fri, 06/12/2009 - 5:55pm.

I was a teenager and college student during the 1950’s and early 60’s; and like teens today very susceptible to following my peers. I never heard of or saw anyone taking any kind of drugs. It just did not exist. The big concern then was that Elvis’ music would corrupt the young people.
There was restricted immigration policies and a taco was something eaten in Mexico. To keep out illegal immigration or any drugs crossing the Mexican border, President Eisenhower launched a program called “Operation Wetback”, where he sent the army to guard the border. A serious offense in high school was chewing gum in class or talking back to a teacher. I was made to learn whether I wanted to or not. In college, I was a member of a fraternity where I could actually drink beer if I didn’t cause any trouble. Otherwise we were expelled, but no drugs. Those years were unimaginable happy times. No drugs, no crime, no inflation, no credit cards, and wonderful communities to up in. One of the top songs was “Let the good times roll”.
Then Lyndon Johnson became President in late 1963, and everything literally changed in 1964. Laws were not enforced, immigration was lax, no more army border patrol, expanded civil rights, discipline in schools went to hell, divorce increased and families broke up, inflation, endless spending on social programs, and everyone had to start going to a therapist. Before Johnson, anyone who saw a psychiatrist was crazy and sent to a mental hospital. Now everyone had psychological problems and needed drugs. I know because after college I was a drug salesman for a large pharmaceutical company. Doctors were prescribing more potent drugs to combat the growing ills of society and people got hooked.
The big problem with drugs was the anxiety created by Johnson’s expansion of the Vietnam War and the draft. Young men didn’t want to go and die for a useless war, so the drug market was created by the policies of our federal government. Those that did go to Vietnam were exposed to drugs in Asia.
Now the drug company took away my samples of potent drugs to keep people from stealing them. Go back to the laws, policies and attitudes of the 1950’s and America might be able to solve all of our problems, which have caused the need for drugs. Bring the troops home and station them on the borders for starters. Things will start to get better, but we need a depression to make the politicians stop spending and two drug head generations to die off before the good times can ever hope to roll again. By the way, in the 1950’s Robert Horgan would have been shamed out of town before he could say, give me another joint.

Submitted by AtHomeGym on Sat, 06/13/2009 - 9:21am.

Didn't exist in rural North Carolina. Biggest charge we got was when we happened on an occasional can of Country Club Malt Liquor. Finished High School in '57 and never even heard the word "marijuana" mentioned.

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Submitted by TinCan on Sat, 06/13/2009 - 2:57pm.

No drugs that I was ever aware of in my central PA home town or surrounding area. Worst cast was a teenager getting a hold of an occasional beer. Not me, however. I waited for the Navy to teach me all that stuff.

Re. the response that mentions hitch hiking, I spent the first two years of my tour on the east coast and hitched numerous times (in uniform) between MD and home and VA and home. Never had any problems other than a few incidences of having to fend off a "Barney Frank" wanna be. My last year was spent out of Long Beach and a buddy and I hitched from there to his home Monroe, LA in 1960, again with no problems.

So, I do believe times were much different back then. Guess I've finally completed the transition into my Dad.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 11:41pm.

Long Beach and the Pike

The old wooden roller coaster was a hoot!
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

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Submitted by TinCan on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 1:10pm.

Think that was the roller coaster. Spent most of my daytime liberty on the beach and evening time going round and round on that thing. Always been a roller coaster fan. While spending my last week before separation on the base (my ship was just out of the dry dock and headed out for sea trials) I stood shore patrol in the Pike.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sat, 06/13/2009 - 5:55pm.

Jeez, you are old, you were riding those ships when they were still relatively new.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by TinCan on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 3:44pm.

Why do you think I referred to you as a young pup(or something similar) on here before? Believe each can was around 15 years old when I was aboard. And none of the FRAM stuff until around the time I got out. However, I didn't quite make the wooden ships and iron men era.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 4:05pm.

That's the year my dad graduated. Now I feel as is I have to address Tin Can, At Home, and Hanky Panky as Sirs and/or Ma'ams. Well you guys ain't that old. We'll be blogging with you for another 20 years no doubt. Smiling

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Submitted by The Wedge on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 4:30pm.

If you want to feel old, Git, I graduated high school in 1988. I would most likely call you sir speaking with you in person, but on this blog you will not see me being that polite.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 4:46pm.

In person I would I would introduce myself to you as Git and tell you my Sir should be reserved for folks AHG's age.

Hey.... the good new is on the blog we are all the same age. We get to act like teenagers. Eye-wink

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Submitted by The Wedge on Sun, 06/14/2009 - 9:43pm.

Git, I think I was more straight laced then than now. It is interesting how life changes you. Where is the bigoted defense that I see you writing about? I will search for it, but haven't noticed this poster until recently

Submitted by merrilyn on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 11:11am.

I don't want to feel as if I am acting like a teenager about this issue at all, but since I am actually using my real name as my ID user and because it has taken me since Friday to respond to this accusation (strangely enough I could'nt get in) I wanted to do so now. Once I do I will leave this place never to return. If no one else reads the posts that Git Real has linked here, I hope you do. I trust you and the way you post. It proves that you are a reasonable and very smart person. Your words are worthy of reading everyday. Not just what you say, but how you say it. I can appreciate your opinion whether I agree or not.

Git Real has attached my name to all of his posts with a lie and you will see that when you read the Git Real Is Dangerous from 2 years ago. I never defended anything and there are only a couple of back and forths between him and myself. Actually the comment that caused me to make the "dangerous" statement, isn't there anymore...hmmmm. You can see that it ended in a respectful way until he decided to revisit the issue with the "why Git Real Is Dangerous" tirade. BTW, the face that he had in his moniker wasn't of a cartoon type with the blazing eyes, it was more like the Al Jolson painted face. My opinion then was that it was all in, including the parade float for MLK Day, done in bad taste.

On Sunday he referred to someone as a drug head and asked them if he were my son? For his information, my son and his wife serve our country in the United States Air Force and very proudly I might add.
The point is that personal attacks can lead to lies and distortion of any viewpoints. I won't go into why it came to this because it really doesn't matter. It is too irresponsible to retrace.

My reputation in this city and in my community speak for itself and I won't allow my name to be treated improperly. It is one thing to have a debate, voice an opinion, agree to disagree, but slander by way of a lie is another story. Whatever posts he makes, my name is a footnote. Now I have to see if there is anything I can do about it. Take care. PS...Your post about North Korea was very informative.

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Submitted by The Wedge on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 3:19pm.

Thank you Merrilyn for your nice comments. It does appear that you and Git are intrenched with both of you feeling that each other got overly personal by bringing family into a vitriolic discussion. And of course, a discussion on Race normally devolves into heated debate. The danger in all of this is that for the most part, this is an anonymous board. I could be a 15 year old blogging from my folks basement or I could be 70 and combative. Anonymitity is a social lubricant, a inhibition reducer. But, as in sports, these activities do not build character as much as they reveal it. Sometimes these blogs reveal us to be flawed individuals that we know we are. All sides should be debate-able. Test everything and keep what is good.
I would be glad to blog about race and relations, perhaps I will do so on my own board and see what craziness will get unloosed

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 12:39pm.

Git Real has attached my name to all of his posts with a lie

Now Merrilyn...anyone with two eyes can read and understand that lil ole Git didn't lie. Shame on you for saying that. Now go read all that again and see how you stand staunchly stand behind Beah (who strangely resembles David's Mom and uses many of the same lines)as you guys eventually label me "dangerous" for merely pointing out your bigoted hypocrisy once again. It's strange how you only see what you CHOOSE to see. But then again I wouldn't expect anything less from you..... Someone who is such a mighty pillar in this community. (Yawn)

Actually the comment that caused me to make the "dangerous" statement, isn't there anymore...hmmmm.

Back that up you silly goose. (Another personal attack Eye-wink ) Any knothead on the Citizen knows that once a comment has been replied to that no longer can that comment be deleted or altered. So that would mean that only someone from the Citzen could alter or delete a 'replied to post'. So am I to gather that you are in some way implicating that our very own WHITE MALE editor is covering up for lil ole me? (eye lashes batting) Smiling

You can see that it ended in a respectful way until he decided to revisit the issue with the "why Git Real Is Dangerous" tirade.

Oh no Sweet Cheeks... that isn't how this went down Toots. I revisited this issue ONLY after you brought it up and claimed the other day in post that YOU had issues with me ever since I put up that picture of Ted Danson wearing black face as a protest to the Mount Olive Baptist Bigots parading white face in their annual MLK victim / 'in yo face' parade. Remember Sweety.... You resurrected the issue. I am merely parading out the 'Rest Of The Story'.

I won't go into why it came to this because it really doesn't matter. It is too irresponsible to retrace.

Of course you don't want to retrace what really brought this about. And that comes as no surprise to anyone as it is typical for people like you to label someone like as a 'personal attacker' without accepting responsibility for your own words and deeds. But that is a typical coming from such a poor, poor victimized person such as yourself. It comes normal since it's obvious the concept of personal responsibility is something that you were never raised with. (Gasp! Does that qualify as a personal attack too?)

My reputation in this city and in my community speak for itself and I won't allow my name to be treated improperly.

I can't speak for your reputation Merrilyn. However YOUR own words speak volumes about yourself. I can only go by what you've said here. And contrary to you saying that I "slander by way of lie" is a shameless lie in its self.

Now I have to see if there is anything I can do about it.

Perhaps a good start would be to admit you were wrong!!! And that git really isn't a liar. And that you DID defend the actions of the MOB Gang in their shameless white face stunt over two years ago. And admit that the reason I posted the black face pic was to make a point that the MOB Gang are hypocrites for performing the same inconsiderate actions that they boycott and whine about daily. Wanna continue this Merrilyn or do you choose to continue to blame lil ole me?

Oh.. wait... I wasted my time and words.. According to you: Once I do I will leave this place never to return.

Good riddance race baiter....

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Submitted by MacTheKnife on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 5:41pm.

She not only doesn't bring much to the table, she makes racist comments and attempts to tie all Hispanics to illegal activity and an inability to speak properly. That's how we met Eye-wink xoxoxoxox

At any rate, reading her posts and seeing her inability to use proper subject/verb agreement, I would be willing to bet that I speak much better English than she does.

I digress.

I say let the liberals defend her and her racist stereotypical prejudice. Watch her continue to bathe in the Kool-Aid of the first Multi-racial teleprompter/socialist in chief. Let her do the bidding of the 'New' Black Panther Party and serve at the feet of the democrats that have enslaved a population of minorities for over 50 years. She will be jobless soon enough with a heart filled with hate a bigotry - even her prayers for socialism and your taxes will not keep her afloat.

After all, she really just is just a hypocritical bigot with an incredible double standard who really can't comment intelligently about the board topics.

As a wise man once said: "She don't really bring a passel load to the pic-nic nowhatimean." Or something along those lines. LOL....

And another wise man noted that: "Table metaphors have never been so poorly represented" (Or something along those lines.) Point is we can all see her racist ways, much like David's mom, but she can't ... and "there is none so blind as she who will not see".

Well, I have to go, it seems I have to take a nap and then steal a Chebby so I can get back across the border before dark. Merrilyn said so.

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 8:03pm.

It's all good. We've got nothing to be worried about.... we're all doomed. Eye-wink

These people let their hate, jealousy, selfish greed and their desire to take others down overrule their desire to experience true freedom, liberty, brotherhood and opportunity for all of us. My God what a shame so many either refuse to grasp this deteriorating concept or they are just too danged lazy or ignorant to understand what's best for ALL of us.

These freaking clowns are depleting our our wealth and our ability to further prosper effectively.... Common sense and productive direction have left our people and our government.

Well.. back to my movie... The Windtalkers.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 4:46pm.

WARNING A MEMO HAS BEEN FILED WITH THE LOcal Chapters for civilized Society or LOCOS for short... Merrilyn presiding president..

""If you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world," Barrack Obama

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..Evil

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 06/15/2009 - 7:17pm.

No doubt it won't be the first list I've been on.

How about a salute? To the men and women in Iran standing up to those repressive {{{EDITED YET CORRECTLY STATED}}}. Ever wonder if maybe we might have to take to the streets one day to back this country? Just askin'.......

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Tue, 06/16/2009 - 7:40am.

Protestors DEMAND change
That's a headline.. I would love to see..
The only way to get our Goverment under control is by exerting CONTROL on our GOVERMENT..

""If you actually took the number of Muslim Americans, we'd be one of the largest Muslim countries in the world," Barrack Obama

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..Evil

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Submitted by HankyPanky on Sat, 06/13/2009 - 1:02pm.

I graduated in 1957 also; and never heard about marijuana or any other hard drugs until the hippy culture sprang up in the mid 60’s. I remember when teens could go to a movie in downtown Atlanta and walk the streets there at night with absolutely no thought of being mugged, killed or harassed by homeless. The Varsity was our late night hangout. Since most teens didn’t have cars, we used to hitch-hike rides all around Atlanta with no concern about sex predators. At UGA in pre 1964 days college girls hitch-hiked rides to class from the girls dorm and I never heard of a rape or anything bad happening to them.
One day in the early 50’s the newspaper carried an article about a murder near what’s now the Braves Stadium. The event was such news that my family drove 15 miles just to look at the house where the murder occurred.
I lived in East Point which then was a very nice suburban community. When I was 10-11 years old my mama would put me on a trolly to visit a playmate who lived off 10th street. Mama would tell the trolly operator to tell me where to get off. Then adult strangers would walk with me to make sure I knew where to go. People and life was different then. Adults protected children and so did the governments. Now look at the adults we have. Many want to protect the government doper Robert Horgan, not the children. These adults were born into the drug culture of the 60’s & 70’s and can’t envision a time of safe living. Thanks for trying to help educate them AtHomeGym & I watch.

Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 06/13/2009 - 4:13pm.

What you are saying is that it "takes a village to raise a child!"

Submitted by AtHomeGym on Sat, 06/13/2009 - 2:07pm.

Understand. After graduating HS in '57, off went the country boy to college, 90 miles away. Car? You must be joking. If I wanted to go home on a weekend, it was "Thumb out" and be happy if someone picked you up. Wear a school T-shirt so folks would know you were a student. In 2 yrs, only once did I get hit on and after we had a discussion about my weight-lifting class, he backed off. Parents pick me up? Not hardly. Saturdays Dad was either on the farm or working in the local country store owned by his employers; Mom didn't drive. Hell, we didn't even have a family car until I was 15 (49 Chevy purchased from an Estate sale); Dad wouldn't buy anything unless he could pay cash for it--transportation was a pickup truck furnished to Dad for his farm overseer job. But we ate good and I always had clean clothes to wear, even if half of them were made by my Mom and the other half came from Sears or Penny's catalogs. No regrets. And I passed on all my values to my kids, now 37 & 35. They are both responsible, self-sufficient adults.

Submitted by Davids mom on Fri, 06/12/2009 - 6:14pm.

I guess you didn't see any of the James Dean movies. Unfortunately, they were based on the 'happenings' during the 50’s and 60's. I too did not live that life - but it was there. We were probably both fortunate to have strict, caring parents and lived in good neighborhoods. The drug culture was alive and well after the Korean War - and well before. The Mafia dealt in drugs in the 20's. Lyndon Johnson became unpopular in certain parts of the country after he signed the civil rights bill. To say we 'need' a depression is ridiculous. .but your right to think so.

Submitted by I Watch on Fri, 06/12/2009 - 8:04pm.

There was no drug culture in the general population like today in the 1950’s. Period! Yeah there were drugs in NY City in Harlem but that’s a foreign Country. Hardly middle America. There were no drugs for teens in Atlanta. And yes, I did see the James Dean movies when they first came out. Not one word about drugs.

Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 06/13/2009 - 4:25pm.

Enjoyed the compliment!! Seeing that I graduated in '57 - I had to laugh at how good your assumption made me feel! Each person here has spoken the truth - based on his or her experience. I guess you watched the movie American Gangster - regarding the drugs in Harlem. James Dean and friends didn't 'drag' on Lucky Strikes! But if you watched the movie from an innocent background - and that's not bad - then you didn't get the not so subtle Hollywood message. Atlanta in the '50s and LA in the 50's were not that different - but in a city so close to 'Hollywood' - one was aware that there was another life out there. The choice was to choose the life that would keep you on the road to success. . .and that's what most of my friends and family did! What disturbs me today is that choosing the 'drug' life - illegal or prescribed - is accepted as normal and not seen as a detour to success. Sad.

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Fri, 06/12/2009 - 9:23pm.

You mean they didn't have this in the 1950s?

For my bud Davids mom, here's something just as stupid an anti-50s but with a pinche gabacho:

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 06/12/2009 - 8:18pm.

You can't leave out alcohol and tobacco when you talk about harmful drugs in society. My two maternal uncles both died before they were forty due to these two drugs, prior to James Dean's demise.

It's not easy being the carbonunit

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Fri, 06/12/2009 - 7:25pm.

Davids mom:

Even you would be constrained to consider any of Dean's three movie oeuvre was based on the happenings of the 1960s having died in 1955.

If anything, Dean's movies are best categorized as anti-Phoney Postwar Prosperity. Hunter Thompson wrote about it at length with regards to the early bikers -- including the great East Bay Dragons Motorcycle Club.

Ever read "Soul on Bikes"?

Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 06/13/2009 - 4:34pm.

Impressed with your research skills. Learning means comprehending the information you've obtained. One does not always have to agree.
It's more interesting when one answers without the name-calling and attempt to personally insult or attack. It’s not easy! I had to edit this response several times!

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Sat, 06/13/2009 - 10:11pm.

Forgot to call you a tard.

Thanks for reminding me.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 10:47am.

“a lot of pot smokers grow their own supply these days”

NUK, I’d be interested in knowing exactly where you got that statistical tidbit.

”exactly how is anyone going to prove that someone he ID's is in fact who he bought it from?”

That’s Horgan’s problem.

Horgan would once again be on the defensive because the truthfulness of his testimony would be called into question just as his ethical uncertainty has already been.

If in fact Horgan wants’ to “regain the respect” of his constituents but refuses to name names or accuses someone of something that can’t be proved he’ll be faced with an even longer row to hoe.

”He had all of enough pot to fit into a small pill bottle, hence the quantity was low enough to be considered a MISDEMEANOR.”

Again, you make a good argument that Horgan’s dealer was probably not some ‘big time’ drug pusher. Even more to the point is the fact that such a ‘small’ amount of pot was most likely purchased from some high school kid as they are more apt to be at the lower end of the distribution/supply chain.

If it were true that he did purchase his pot from some kid then I for one would consider his political carrier over.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 1:42pm.

If I had to bet, I'd say he got it from one of his own employees, someone he knows and has some control over. High school dirtbag? I know what Horgan did was dumb, but buying from some teen likely to get busted and squeal on you withing 5mins of being arrested would be insanely stupid. I don't know. If he's an occasional toker, maybe he got it from an employee who had bought it from a friend who had bought it from a dealer...blah, blah, blah.

The fact that he left home and smoked in the vehicle tends to indicate that Horgan's family probably had no idea he smokes pot(and he's trying to conceal it from them), so I think you can rule out that he's growing it himself unless he's ultra-clever( or growing it elsewhere than around his home. So, probably isn't a very heavy pot smoker and is getting it elsewhere.

The ease of which marijuana can be grown and the wealth of knowledge and expertise on the internet makes home-growing the preferred method for the regular user of weed. I have known plenty of pot smokers and the ones who do it frequently and long-term tend to be pot smokers only, not the kind of person who uses several kinds of street drugs and takes a lot of risk to get out and about to buy his/her drugs on the street. Pot smokers are indeed more paranoid than the average person. A methhead or coke freak is all about taking crazy risks 24/7. They also use crap that isn't easy to produce yourself, though some methheads have blown themselves up in impressive fashion trying to do so. Pot? If you can grow a houseplant, you can grow your own pot.

Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 7:41am.

It is my understanding of your explanation that a misdemeanor amount of a drug should be OK, but larger amouints is not OK?

Also, the commissioner did no wrong but should resign anyway!

Also arresting drug dealers and users is wrong and won't help Greg Murray---whomever he is!

Personally, I think methadone is cooler than Mary Jane. Anyway smoking is bad for one's health.

Submitted by Save Fayette on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 2:02pm.

Ya, Cal you have really out done your self. You just showed us all how low of a news reporter you really are. You and John M. have stepped to lowest you two can get. You two have gone past the point of reporting news. Cal, you and John have not said a good thing about any elected official in this county other than your buddy Greg Dumm. I think you should just go ahead and shut your paper down.

Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 7:47am.

Just a minute there, I thought Cal's play adaption was funny and I don't know any of those people.
It seems to me anyhow that considering the bunch who run PTC, Fayetteville, and the County, there is no dignity to preserve, anyway.

It is worse than the bunch we have had in Washington for many, many years. Special interests you know.

Politics has gotten mixed up with making money.

Submitted by kellik on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 12:24pm.

I find this call for Horgan's head ridiculous. I mean you act like he is a child killer or something. If he is an elected official then just vote him out of office at the next election. I guess none of you have ever done anything wrong. Making fun of our legal system. You know, the Maxwell comment. Yea what a bad guy for standing up for the constitution. Perhaps, you should just drag Horgan in front of the courthouse and tar and feather him. After all, you have all convicted him yourself. Maybe, it is a big conspiracy, Our elected officials are taking our tax dollars to buy pot. How much more of this do I have to read? Please, let the courts do their job.

Submitted by ginga1414 on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 9:22am.

When things are so bad all you can do is laugh about them, you know they are really BAD! Thanks, Cal, for giving all of us folks in the West Fayetteville Bypass/parkway Coalition something to laugh about. If it weren't for you and the entire staff at The Citizen, some of us would have gone completely bonkers a long time ago. It is an extremely frustrating thing to feel as if you have no rights whatsoever. However, you have given us a voice and isn't that part of what this County was built upon? Thank you, Cal. I needed that laugh because I have been crying too long due to THEM!

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Submitted by grassroots on Tue, 06/09/2009 - 9:38pm.

I laughed so hard my wife came in the room and thought I was stoned. Fortunately we've both been to meetings and watched the cast of characters. Can I use this seen in my screenplay? Better yet, the high school play next year. If someone spews their coffee at the waffle house reading the paper I'll know why. You nailed it. There is a season for all things and I cried laughing.

Submitted by wheeljc on Tue, 06/09/2009 - 8:41pm.

Still laughing at this one, but there sadly may be more truth than we imagine!! GREAT PIECE!!

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Submitted by Gene61 on Tue, 06/09/2009 - 8:14pm.

Funny as hell.. I can picture this conversation happening.. Horgan should resign, come on do th right thing for once!

More , more.. zzzzzzzzzzz

Submitted by PreciousStahr on Thu, 06/11/2009 - 8:11am.

Frady - ZzzzzzzzXanaxxxxxx?

Submitted by boo boo on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 1:14am.

Cal you know these Clowns so well. There were a few of us out here in Never Never land that saw these self serving Clowns for what they were and didn't vote for them. I hope the Fayette Co. Citizens really do some thinking before voting the next go round. Same goes for the school board.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 06/10/2009 - 8:42am.

I admire you cause you are one of the few newspaper men these days that will stand up for their ethics. You have values, something that is missing in a lot of people.

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