MHS cheerleaders suspended for drinking

Fri, 10/17/2008 - 9:18am
By: The Citizen

Officials confirmed Friday that eight McIntosh football cheerleaders were suspended this week for being intoxicated with alcohol while at last week’s varsity football game.

The cheerleaders received a 10-day out of school suspension, said schools spokesperson Melinda Berry-Dreisbach. Because it is their first offense that suspension can be reduced to seven days if they choose to participate in an alcohol and drug intervention program, she added

Also, they will be suspended from participating in 25 percent of their remaining season, Dreisbach said. That suspension is also called for in the system’s student code of conduct, Dreisbach explained.

It was fortunate that the cheerleaders’ impairment didn’t lead to injuries while they and their teammates were performing stunts during the game, Dreisbach said.

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Submitted by bunny7 on Fri, 10/24/2008 - 4:11pm.

I'm a junior at McIntosh. I posted a comment earlier under livelife76, but lost my password.
I must say, seeing as the posting occurring on here is from mostly adults you all are extremely immature. Yes, what these girls did was wrong, but they have been humiliated and punished for it. I know for a fact colleges are going to ask about it, because one of my friends who cheers [not on that squad] was asked if she was a McIntosh varsity football cheerleader. If you ask me, that's more than enough embarrassment for these girls. I think that is punishment enough for these girls. You are not their parents. Stop spreading rumors. Unless you know the girls, or were directly involved you shouldn't be saying anything. Grow up, the kids posting on this issue are acting more mature than most of you. There doesn't need to be blame placed on anyone. This is getting out of hand, it's over with, move on.

Submitted by ptc moms. on Fri, 10/24/2008 - 12:58pm.


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 10/24/2008 - 1:08pm.

That was a good one.

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Submitted by hersheybear88 on Fri, 10/24/2008 - 2:07pm.

Great game last week. FCHS band was excellent, in my opinion better than last year. Tell your daughter to keep up the good work.

LOL! That one song we tossed back and forth. I know our band director just laughed. It was funny.

Tonight another slip sliding away. I am going, I just don't know what our plans are.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 10/24/2008 - 4:25pm.

The band is a lot better this year, two Grand Championships so far this year. Stay dry.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Submitted by HNB09 on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 10:05pm.

okay, first off why are you people commenting on other peoples grammar? who cares. thats ridiculous. Im sure that half of the people that commented on the website were not even there when all of this happened. so no, you have no right to comment on the situation. It frustrates me because i was actually there and i do know what happened. Im sick of all the comments that are probably from stay at home moms who have nothing better to do but get on this site and join in on the rumor mill. If this doesn't concern you, than stay out of it. Your just making a bigger deal out of this than it needs to be. And for the person who is talking about the DVD. I am in the class that makes the videos, I've seen it, and you can not tell that anyone is drunk. no one was falling over, and knowing was acting stupid. The reason why no one wanted the girl on the end in the shot is because she just joined the team three days before and she did not know all the cheers yet. So for all of you that think you know everything that happened, you don't!! And you probably never will because of all the rumors that are going around. No one probably knows what to believe anymore. Honestly, i am just sick of all the people who think they know what they're talking about, when they really don't. And for all the parents that think they can comment on how other parents raise their kids, you cant. It's not your responsibility. If they want to take their kids to the beach than who are you to say they cant? Im sick of all this drama. I cant wait until it all dies down. I cant even go out in public without even being confronted about the situation. Thats ridiculous. So all of you, get on with your life's. Because i know for at least half of you who commended about this are not even involved.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 12:03pm.

Want to see drunken MHS cheerleaders in action for yourself?

Evidently, a student was videotaping the cheerleaders at the Sandy Creek/McIntosh game as part of a class assignment!

This uploaded digital video is currently being stored on a school computer at McIntosh. Several copies of this performance have been burned to DVD, including one copy for the cheerleading coach.

Bonus feature: an audio track that includes one cheerleader mom asking the cameraman (off camera) to adjust the camera angle so one of the girls on the end is not in the shot, because she didn't know some of the routines and it was embarassing to the team.

Quite embarassing.

Submitted by lifes_a_ Beach on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 11:20am.

Look I know for a fact that two of these girls are being punished like no other by their mothers!!!! This weekend they will suffer together at the beach for a mini vacation. As the parent of a MHS student I am amazed by two things 1. They get in trouble then have the nerve to BRAG about how they will be sitting on the beach come Friday to our children WHO ARE IN SCHOOL!!! 2. If I am not mistaken one of the girls has a sister at Booth Middle so GO MOM!!!! Let your younger daughter skip school to go with her expelled sister to the beach those my dear readers are some family values my parents never shared with me.

Submitted by MHS LAX Alumn 4 on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 9:28pm.

shut up. no one on this thread is even talking about the point of discussion anymore. You're just a stuck-up peachtree city mom looking for something to do with your off time so you get on here and put your useless point of view about stuff. It's her decision to do what she wants with her children so quit worrying about it. If it had anything to do with you, I'd say different but right now, she's not affecting you at all so let it go. This whole thing is a stupid mistake. There is no reason to be bickering about nothing that doesn't apply to more than half of the people on here. In a week or so, a someone will get pulled over for speeding and will take over this website because nothing ever happens in peachtree city that means anything. It's sad that this has so many responses. Everyone just mind you own business, and give your opinion for all I care, but the point of anyone's argument has just been forgotten with this statement you just made.

Submitted by Rich on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 9:46pm.

Truly amazing comments. The warped perspectives are saddening, but amazing nonetheless. My kids aren't at McIntosh yet, so hopefully I'm still objective. The girls who were drinking made a mistake and are receiving a significant punishment. 10 days OSS is a significant punishment, much more than the punishments doled out back in my day HS days. Anyone squawking about the need to involve Law Enforcement either has an ulterior motive or has little perspective - minor misdemeanors (and underage drinking is possibly the most minor of misdemeanors) are routinely overlooked by police.

And please folks, quit harping on the punctuation, spelling and grammar of these kids. Online comment fields are intended for free-form text, there should be no expectation that we're creating formal documentation. Their syntax is entirely appropriate for this type of forum. LMAO!

Submitted by forteiii on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 7:48am.

I only wish that more cheerleaders had been drunk, when I was in High School:)

Submitted by 2intense4u on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 6:41am.

I am so glad that no one's child was hurt due to this behavior.

Submitted by cheerparents on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 11:55pm.

Is there a lawyer that is interested in taking this case?

FACT: FERPA (20 U.S.C. § 1232g) and O.C.G.A. statues exist to protect students from inappropriate disclosure of identifiable information, including release of information regarding drug and alcohol violations.

FACT: Inaccurate and misleading articles combined with disclosure of identifying information via school official and for-profit website – “eight McIntosh football cheerleaders were suspended this week for being intoxicated with alcohol” and “I am surprised that the parents of the sober girls have not wanted the President of MHS Cheer Booster removed as she is a mom of one of those girls.” (comment by reader on 10/17/2008 remains in comment section as of 10/20/2008)

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Submitted by DragNet on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 12:15am.

If you need a lawyer to defend the parents of the Girls Gone Wild a.k.a. MacIntosh Drinkin...errr, sorry, Cheerleading Team, just wanted to pass a tip that Alberto Gonzalez specializes in this type of litigation and he's been out of work for some weeks now. References are available at the White House, call anytime. But rush, in 2 weeks they will be shredding a lot of stuff there....

Making you think twice......

Submitted by faith16 on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 4:36pm.

I really dont think its any of yall's bussiness to discuss the punishments/requirements/consequences of the cheerleaders. Honestly stay out of their business and worry about your life, no one elses. And when it comes to college, I dont think anyone will ask about the "DRUNK MCINTOSH CHEERLEADERS" because one its a mistake and its what they have learnt from this mistake that strives them to become better people and by then no one will remember unless you keep commenting this article becuase your only stirring things up.Just give it a rest. Its over with. They have their punishments, recieved their consequences and they're only human just like you are so unless your perfect leave them alone.

Submitted by Nitpickers on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 3:03pm.

What is "it"? I will.

dont = don't
"its" = it is
yall's = all of you
bussiness = business
elses = else's
drunk cheerleaders = drunken cheerleaders
because one = due to one reason
its = it's
learnt = learned
strives them = drives them, or that for which they strive
commenting this article = commenting about this article
becuase = because
your = you're
stirring things up = stirring up things
recieved = received
your = you're

Did you see my other corrections at all? Don't give a rat, I suppose!

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Submitted by TonyF on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 5:27am.

This speaks volumes about the education of our youth, does it not?
These kids are in trouble when the cash registers crash, and they actually have to count the change. One question: do you think it's a good thing for them that the burger wrappers are color coded?

"Your, yore, you're all idiots." (T.Floyd)

Submitted by blah43 on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 2:14pm.

You are completely incorrect in what you said. Colleges will in fact ask about the incident. And people are intitled to their opinions and scrutinizing on the girls. They were stupid and deserve to get stuff said to and colleges WILL ASK THEM ABOUT IT, us not tlaking about it will not do ANYTHING in whether or not colleges ask. your dumb.

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Submitted by The 5-0 on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 2:24pm.

Blah43: "...your dumb."

Who are you saying is dumb?
It should be "you're" not "your."

If you want to make an issue of someone's intelligence, at least learn to use the correct contractions.

Submitted by suser on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 7:08pm.

You mentioned that you are a cheerleader and so you also signed that form at the beginning of your season. It is also time for you to wake up and realize what life is about. There is a reason for signing these "contracts". The fact that you and your parents would arbitrarily sign this document without realizing the seriousness of it is quite disturbing. And that you would not realizing the binding nature of it is even more disturbing. You are only a minor so I am not going to be accused of "bashing a minor" on line however I do hope that at some point in your life, you realize the seriousness of contracts and what they mean. I had two children who signed those same documents with my signature on them as well. We were not randomly signing our "autographs" but we were entering into an agreement. Yes it is over with. These cheerleaders will get their punishments. They will learn from them. And unfortunately, their parents will do everything they can to make everything seem okay because they feel it is a direct reflection of them. As to the parents....your children will make mistakes. But trying to make everything better for your child doesn't necessarily make your child learn from it and be a better person.

Submitted by faith16 on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 10:44am.

I do realize the importance of these contracts i do. I agree with you on that. But the reason why those girls could be allowed on the team again is because the administration bent the rules earlier this year for another incident in which the girl recieved OSS and was allowed back on the squad. So the reason why parents are arguing about this is because their children love cheerleading and if they bent the rules earlier about OSS they said they would have to do the same thing for anyone else who recieved OSS. But for you to say that i need to wake up and realize what life is about you must be mistaken. I know what my life is about, and it certainly has nothing to do with gossip or rumors. I spend my life finding my purpose in life and living for HIM. Im done leaving comments or anything else because obviously im just wasting my time because no matter what i say you will leave me another reply complaining about my thoughts or opinions.

Submitted by Im just saying on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 12:09am.

I don't know who you are, but I have more respect for you than anyone else on this blog. You know the truth in this matter as a team member and you obviously are very mature. I suspect your honesty is a character trait that will take you far in life. Don't listen to these idiots...hold your head up and be proud of the truth!

Submitted by suser on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 11:23am.

Children learn from their mistakes and become better people because of them. Having signed the by-law agreement at the beginning of the season, both parent and cheerleader need to realize the seriousness of signing this and the school administrators need to follow through with dismissing the girls from the squad. Otherwise, why the agreement to begin with?

Submitted by Im just saying on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 1:17pm.

At the beginning of this season a cheerleader on the same squad had OSS for 10.B.2 and she sat out 25% of the season which was 2 games. What's the difference? Keep in mind some are guilty by association not for participating. Not to mention all the other Fayette County school scenarios regarding same issues. The bottom line is there was NO Evidence and the coaches on the track didn't notice anything wrong the night of the game.

If you attended the class at MHS offered by the police department the Monday after that game, they spoke about the age of the offender making a huge difference. There's a different legal punishment for 15 verses 17. If this goes to court some will be prosecuted as adults and some will not.

In earlier posts you mentioned safety...I didn't want to bring this up, but how safe is it when the head coach of varsity doesn't have the skill to coach/teach the level of difficulty on a varsity team? How about the fact the coach didn't inform the parents that practice was cancelled on that day. Lack of communication on the coaches part is partially to blame. Take a look at the coaches online shows practice scheduled before the game.

Submitted by mary55 on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 8:02pm.

You need to get a reality check. Stop trying to blame others for these girls mistake. I can only assume that you are a mother of one of these 8 girls by the posts you make. And the reason this girl was allowed to come back on the squad and only sit out 25% of the games was because that was a completely different situation. She did not commit a crime that could endanger anyones life. The two situations are uncomparable.

Submitted by ChunkyMonkey on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 6:06pm.

What's the difference? How about the difference is the cheerleader who was suspended at the begining of the year DID NOT BREAK THE LAW. You keep the "guilty be association" arguement going because it makes you feel better. Your daughter hangs out with people who drink underage. Odd are, if she did not drink this time, she probably would have next time. This time she is "guilty by association" next time she may just be "guilty"
Blame the coach? Are you serious? You think it's the coach's fault that your daughter decided to hang with some girls who make poor choices? That's laughable! You think because the coach gave the girls a day off and declined to get you to approve it, that was permission to go get wasted or hang out with people who got wasted? Absolutely pathetic logic there. You should have a good enough relationship with your daughter that she would tell you that practice that day had been cancelled. Instead, she chose to sneak behind your back and go "associate" with some people who drink.
As if that were not enough, you come on here and blast the coach regarding his/her skills as a coach? You are grasping at straws here and making a fool of yourself in the process.
You need to accept that your daughter is done cheering for the year and quit trying to find loopholes in the rules and blaming everybody else. Stop shifting the blame and accept that your daughter made a mistake even if it was only by "association".

Submitted by Im just saying on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 7:25pm.

According to the constitution there is NOT a difference. Suspension and Dismissed are different, shall I get a dictionary for you? I'm sure you got the email from the coach stating they are suspended not dismissed. Read the rules in the constitution and Fayette County Code of Conduct. Unless you have a copy of the written discipline notice that we were given that states suspended for 25% of the season then you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Read the article above, the FCBOE spokes person quoted, "...susepended for 25% of season", the AJC and Fox news quoted the same thing so you obviously need a dictionary.

You don't know who my daughter is so stop making accusations about a child that you don't know.

She did not lie to me or go behind my back, you obviously do not know the whole story so you need to stop acting like you know everything.

You show such integrity...calling me names and talking bad someones child. I don't believe I've reduced myself to putting you or your children down or calling anyone names on here (atleast not publically). Why don't you stop getting in everyone else's business and take care of your own kid(s). Get a obviously don't have one or you would stay out of our business.

Submitted by ChunkyMonkey on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 9:06pm.

mominvolved, I am having a very difficult time following your logic (or lack there of). Sometimes you quote the Fayette County Code of Conduct and sometimes you quote the rules of the "constitution". Since I am familiar with neither, which one exactly are we following because the source used by sniffles 5 says in very plain English (no dictionary required for me) that "reasons for immediate dismaissal include the use of ALCOHOL, drugs or tobacco or the participation in any illegal activity". Are we choosing to ignore that rule or do you feel it does not apply to your daughter who is ONLY "guilty by association"?
In addition to that question I would also like to know:
1. If you were the powers that be in this situation, what message do you think they will send to the student body of McIntosh by allowing the girls who were either intoxicated or "associated" and knowledgeable of the intoxicated back onto the team after serving only a brief suspension?
2. If the coach is "not qualified" and you are concerned for your daughter's safety as you say, then why would you want her to be reinstated back on the team that still has this person as coach?
3. How successful do you think a team of divided cheerleders and divided parents will be? Do you think they will be able to coexsist once these girls are permitted to return to the team? Do you really believe all wil be forgiven and forgotten and this will blow over?

I know you want what's best for your daughter and I can admire that but what is best for your daughter may not be what is best for everyone else involved.

Submitted by Im just saying on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 10:57pm.

Both, constitution (written by coach) and code of conduct (published by the county and given to all students) were used for thier discipline.

However, the constitution states just before the line "reasons for immediate dismaissal include the use of ALCOHOL..." it states "The coach will determine which actions constitute SUSPENTION and which constitute DISMISSAL". The coach made that decision when she and the principal wrote SUSPENSION FOR 25% OF THE SEASON on the discipline notice that has been published everywhere.

The previous cheerleader that was suspended for 25% of the season sat out 2 games(and yes she broke the law too).

1. Trust me, the punishment of OSS, public humiliation in the media, drug and alcohol classes, and suspension from 2 games and 2 competitions is plenty of punishment. (and that's not including anything recieved at home)
2. As stated earlier, the coach is nice and the girls love her.
3. The kids are not divided and majority of the parents are not divided. This is not about the parents, it's about the kids and teaching them how to overcome obstacles and how to get up after they've fallen. How to be a team that works together no matter what. In adult life, they will have to learn to work with people that they don't always agree's really just part of life.

If the kids have the opportunity to be together again, I bet they ALL would be thrilled that the parents were not keeping them apart.

This is not about what's best for my daughter, there is no "I" in Team.

Submitted by Split Decision on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 7:50am.

No one can say you aren't supporting your daughter in this situation. But I do wonder just how much you'd be defending this "party of 8" if your daughter weren't a member. At this time, you are in the heat of the situation and, from what I can discern, the only adult here who pounces on any comment posted in agreement of the punishment given.

It's not easy to teach "guilt by association" but it really does exist, and it's an invaluable life lesson. As an illustration: Another way to look at this is think of your child knowing several of her friends were cheating on a test, plus this child used destraction techniques to keep her teacher's attention on her side of the room while said friends are on the other, sharing answers. Although she didn't physically share answers, she is guilty of cheating, or in Code of Conduct terms "academic dishonesty" and when caught or discovered would be a guilty party nonetheless.

Quit trying at all costs to get the easiest solution for your child. Back off and let her serve her punishments. Although it is painful, the knowledge gained for her, her friends, and hopefully you, will not be lost and will make all the involved parties better people. Only then will this have the potential to help shape the type of parents these teenagers will become from being involved in this and help shape the way they parent in the future, too.

Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 5:05pm.

...after all they do get paid BIG BUCKS for coaching! Yea...let's blame the coaches and maybe they'll all quit and you can be the coach!! Woohoo!! You can run the show!!!

Submitted by Im just saying on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 7:32pm.

Coach is nice but not qualified. Would any school around here hire a a head football coach with no experience? Doubt it!

Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Wed, 10/22/2008 - 9:34am.

The cheer coach at MHS does have several years coaching experience.

Although it wasn't in a high school, she did coach cheerleaders at a Fayette County middle school for several years. I know this because my children had her as a middle school teacher and they played football while there, too, so we saw the cheerleaders and their coach a lot.

So, mominvolved, just because you're in the middle of this frying pan doesn't mean you know everything, as proven here.

Submitted by forreal on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 7:46pm.

...but unfortunately, the school considers cheerleading to be about as important as any other club. It's sad and I wish it were different but there is not very much universal respect for cheerleaders, especially in regard to cheerleading being a sport. Cheerleaders do a lot that they don't get credit for because often, things like this make headlines and make cheerleaders look bad!

If people followed the stereotype of a cheerleader, they think gorgeous but dumb, willing to kill for her posistion on the squad, big-time partier, queen of the school. This is not true for every cheerleader; not even true for a third of all cheerleaders!

People like to see cheerleaders screw up for some reason though. There's something about them that's fascinating to people, as evident by the interest and attention centered around this article. This kind of stuff happens for every sport, every activity, every school, every state. The media is only going to report what it wants, though.

Submitted by kathryn on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 5:19pm.

I have two teenagers and I hold my breath every day that they will make good decisions. I also pray that if they DO make a bad decision they will GET CAUGHT. Parenting is such a tough job. It takes real courage to make our children suffer the consequences of their actions. It is so much easier to blame coaches, teachers, peers, the weather, etc. I have been guilty myself...
All I know is that these are probably very sweet, smart and talented girls. They made a serious mistake and are being punished for it. Hopefully, the parents of these girls will respect the decision of the administration and support it. Alcohol use is rampant in ALL our high schools; not just McIntosh. My children attend a different school and the story is the same. We as parents need to WAKE UP and be vigilant in protecting our kids.

Submitted by kathryn on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 5:09pm.

Perhaps the coaches should have stood in for the drunk cheerleaders and done their stunts for them.....!

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 10:04am.

Over at the McIntosh Cheerleading site (HERE), you can download a Microsoft Word document spelling out the rules that McIntosh Cheerleaders AND their parents must agree to and sign.

Rule 10.B.1 is very explicit about alcohol:
"X. Disciplinary Actions
A. In-School Suspension: Cheerleaders who receive ISS will not participate in any cheerleading activities while in ISS. In addition, depending on the severity of the infraction, the cheerleader may also be subject to suspension from the squad. The length of the suspension will be left to the discretion of the coach.
B. Dismissal from the squad will be reserved for the most severe cases of misconduct. The coach will determine which actions constitute suspension and which constitute dismissal. Reasons for immediate dismissal include:
1. The use of alcohol, drugs, tobacco or the participation in any illegal activity.
(emphasis added).

My question is this: since these girls have shown by their actions that they are no longer interested in cheerleading, why have they not been dismissed from the team for cause? This is not a case of sneaking a beer at a party, this is putting on a school uniform, getting loaded and performing drunk in front of the student body and parents. If this doesn't meet the threshold of "severe misconduct", then NOTHING DOES.

These drunken cheerleaders, through their actions, have embarassed the entire school and the entire student body. When this years' senior class goes off to college next fall and they tell someone they graduated from McIntosh High, I suspect they'll wince if someone asks 'oh, that's the school with the drunk cheerleaders, right?'

The cheerleading coach needs to send a message to these girls: Cheering is a privledge, not a right....and these girls, through their own actions, have lost this privledge. Kick the violators off the team for a solid year and let them ponder their mistake. I'm sure there are plenty of other students who would like to have an opportunity to cheer for the team.

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Submitted by faith16 on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 6:42pm.

For everyone who has commented this article, and posted their own Opinions, I would like to state the truth of what happened that night. I am a cheerleader on the Mcintosh Squad and im sick of everyone talking about it.. Yes, they made a huge mistake which could have easily been avoided. But they didnt and now they are living with the consequences everyday. But dont you think theres more to this than the rumors and stories you have heard. Everyone makes mistakes and theres no one to blame for the choices they made, not even the parents or their parenting skills. Each girl made a individual choice that costed them to lose an incredible amount. I honestly feel bad for those girls because although they did make a mistake, they have so much going for them. See most of you judge them without knowing who they really are. Those girls have a passion for cheerleading more than anyone out there. They strive for excellence and work their tales off at practice and yes some have even lost their cheerleading scholarships because of this. For those who dont know, not all the 8 girls were drunk. Some didnt even drink. I dont think its fair they recieved the same punishment as those girls who went out and drank at halftime but everyone was guilty of association because we all knew it was going on. I think this mistake is a life lesson that each one had to learn the hard way. Most of them are taking this hard on themselves already, because of the amount they have lost and for those who arent, they will one day. Everything happens for a reason and I agree no one gets to do the judging but God. So before you go out and start spreading the rumors or lies, find out who your talking about and get to know them because theres more than what meets the eye..

Submitted by Nitpickers on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 4:45pm.

I have little problem with the cheerleaders (some did, some didn't) sneaking some drinks--it was however about the worst place they could have done it!

I also don't believe for a minute that they are "grieving" over it to an excess! They simply hate that they got caught.
The offense however is not as bad as if the coaches had gotten drunk during the game, or even drank! These girls needed to have been given some enormous project to complete by next spring--all of them since apparently there is little honor among thieves." Meaning that they didn't stop it.

What does concern me greatly though is that the letter above, although reasonably understandable, has numerous errors. Even if the student didn't know any better, the parents should have done something about that.

"commented this article"
capitalized "opinions"
"im" instead of I'm
"they made a huge mistake," did you report them?
"didnt" not didn't
"dont you think theres" not don't you think there is or there's 3 times
"costed them to loose an incredible amount"
"recieved" for received
"your talking" s/b your're
"theres more" there's

God doesn't judge punishment for violating simple rules and besides it wasn't a felony---forget it and plow on.
Be more careful with your writing--it is as important as cheerleading!

Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 10/23/2008 - 5:49am.

A real problem with our education!
Cheer leading and a beer not!

Submitted by Im just saying on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 9:43pm.

You said it better than anyone else on this blog! I can tell your heart was in your writing. Maybe you should take all the team members with you and petition for what you guys want for the remainder of the season...cheer last game and compete at regions. 25% is the FCBOE Code of Conduct rule but there's a disagreement on when the season started. Summer practice, scrimmage game, or regular season game, competition season, etc. It seems like for most other athletes the rule was used starting with regular season game. If you saw the competition teams last week MHS would have had a good chance of winning...Good Luck!

Submitted by suser on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 7:53pm.

scare me. Did you sign an agreement with your cheerleader? Is it all about the winning of the competition? These girls didn't go out and randomly drink on any night. (Going with the argument from parents that 'kids will be kids'.) They did it in front of the student body and parents on a Friday night. It was reported on the nightly news!

Submitted by Im just saying on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 11:16pm.

The media is wrong...(imagine that) The coaches didn't notice anything during the whole game. It was reported on the news because a CRAZY parent informed the news not because the school board or police called them. Look at the was several days after the game that it was reported. Had it been blantly obvious to everyone during the game, it would have been reported the same night because we all would have called the police.

Submitted by faith16 on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 4:41pm.

I plan to the moment this all settles down. Thank you for your support.

Submitted by driftwood on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 5:04pm.

Rumor has it that the principal at MHS is being promoted to a county office position. Anyone else heard this? Will be voted on at tonight's board meeting? With E-splost on ballot... you wonder, if this is true, is this a new position or has someone retired?

Submitted by tc on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 7:27am.

According to the personnel changes submitted to the board for action last night, you are correct that Tracey Fleming has been promoted. What happened to the supposed hiring freeze? Check out personnel changes here:

Or, go to, click on board, agendas, 10/20, personnel changes, and a pdf attachment will pop up on the right side of the agenda.

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 7:45am.

tc, you must understand the semantics here - this probably would not be categorized as a "hire", this would probably be a "promotion from within". We must always try to read between the lines, or see the loophole.

There is a "hiring freeze" at my place of employment, yet we continue to receive emails "welcoming so & so aboard as a part of our team". How does this happen? I imagine it would go something like this, this hire was in the works before the freeze. . .riiiiight. Go figure!

Submitted by amethystgal45 on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 5:03pm.

I attend McIntosh. The girl who was the designated driver was totally sober! And she had the drinks put in her car, she was trying to tell them to not get drunk, she was associated but not at fault, just because she was on the same team as the gosh dang drunk cheerleaders, and she had the drinks in her car, does not mean she should get punished. She got OSS and got her cheerleading scholarship taken away! That was a way harsh punishment for her. I feel so sorry for her and thats just not fair.

And the parents dont even give a crap! Dang cheerleader moms! All they care about is if they will be able to compete in cheering. Oh my gosh! Your drunk daughters got drunk at a game, and all you care about is if they will be able to cheer in competion or not!

And everyone one who has OSS is treating it as a vacation. thats stupid!

Submitted by blah43 on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 2:04pm.

i attend mhs and i used to be a cheerleader.. These incidents DO NOT occur on a regular basis, this was a rare occurance at mhs and im sick and tired of our school being labeled as "the drug and alcohol school." I think the police should been involved because the three that were guilty by association would of not gotten in trouble which they shouldnt, besides the driver by having alcohol in your car you should suffer consequences but not as harsh as the actual students who were drunk. The cheerleaders wouldnt of gotten oss which is DRASTICALLY going to affect their grades. Eventually MIPs can be erased so in time things could of been forgotten. BUT IM SICK of all this talk about the cheerleaders what they did is embarresing to our school and as some current football cheerleaders say were not mad at them we still love them. im shocked that these girls are at home and as i see their facebook statuses( which are what people are currently doing) they are going on golfcart rides, hanging out with friends, OUT TO DINNER WITH MY GIRLS:) i think this is HORRRRRIBLE parenting that they can do such dangerous and stupid things and their 10days oss(which would be boot camp at my house) into vacation. this is ridiculous and im sick of people sticking up for them!

Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 3:14pm.

if you are currently a student at McIntosh, were a student, or if you are a parent. Whatever the case may be, please get thyself to a dictionary! I know this is like beating a dead horse but I cannot get over all these students and parents who cannot spell, cannot make a coherent statement and generally seem to be a mess academically. I know there are some intelligent students and former students of Mc Intosh but you would never know it from the things you read here. Please, please, check your spelling and grammar before posting. You make a stronger statement for your cause when it is written correctly.

Submitted by Arf on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 12:53pm.

For Pete’s sake and everybody else’s, please put this blog to rest. For once I agree with “Nitpickers” – the world is falling apart economically, crime is everywhere in Fayette, the country is still at war, and we’ve got political messes both nationally and locally. This incident has gotten more press than anything else.

Please give this a rest. These girls made a mistake in judgment, which is part of the growing up process. With all the temptations out there for teenagers today, it’s a wonder any of them survive. Let the one out there who has never made a bad decision (especially as a teenager or twenty-something) be the first and only one to cast stones.

I remember very similar incidents when all four of my kids were in high school, all the way back to 1990 and at both McIntosh and Starrs Mill. Kids try things and make mistakes. I even remember 1962 when half of the football players and cheerleaders were taken off the teams for several games because of drinking at a party after “the rumble.”

I’m not saying it was the right thing to do and I think there should be consequences, but please…enough spouting is enough.

Submitted by Diane Court on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 11:11am.

Don't be a player hater:)

Submitted by caresalot123 on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 9:53am.

Wow. I cannot believe the attention this has gotten throughout the community. I believe the reason that no one can leave it alone is the lack of judgement and commonsense these girls showed. "Highschool drinking" is not a new thing and it happens at EVERY school; however, to have such a lack of respect for your teammates, coaches, administration, the fans, your parents and most importantly yourselves and do it at the event you are supposed to be role models is the reason so many people are talking about the situation. I hope that the girls and their parents realize that the issue here isn't "who told on who" or "who is keeping the fire burning" , but on the fact that their daughters were caught and admitted to drinking at their own football game in front of their friends, neighbors, teachers and even their own parents. This shows a lack of all respect for those people they should look towards for guidance and support. The issue should be dealing with there drinking , not whether they can cheer again or get there grades made up. These are GREAT girls who made a BIG STUPID MISTAKE, but it is up to the parents now to show them that when you make a mistake of this severity that SERIOUS consequences follow. If you get them released from responsibility for there actions what have they learned? There will still be drinking and parties- will they just be smarter next time or will next time be to late. TALK to your kids everyone. You can say "no" to drinking and still be well liked and respected and even "popular". Teenage drinking doesn't have to be "normal". I know these parents will realize what is right once they are allowed to calm down and breath......

Submitted by ronricks on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 9:45am.

some of you people are either blind, naive, or both. McIntosh is not the only school in Fayette County that has students drinking or using drugs. I went to Sandy Creek graduated almost 10 years ago and even then there were people drinking every weekend and it was ALL of the High Schools. There was nothing else to do. I am not condoning anything just saying McIntosh is not the only school in the County that has students drinking or using drugs. Looks like Fayette County has not changed one bit in 10 years or so.

Submitted by marybethptc on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 8:24am.

I have been reading the thread about allowing kids in middle school (age 11-14 apx) out of your sight. I know "times have changed" etc.... My parents allowed me to ride a city (Toledo) bus to visit my grandparents when I was of middle school age. My husband would ride his bike in the burbs of Cleveland to Baskin Robbins etc... I personally think if you don't allow your middle schoolers out of your sight at any time you are not teaching them how to take care of themselves and act in public. If you don't allow them to be away from you until the day they are handed a set of car keys is asking for trouble. I'm not saying you should let them run wild at The Avenue but allowing them to shop for an hour with friends is teaching them to do just that. I want my kids to make mistakes now as kids rather than when they are 20. The parents that do everything and anything for their kids are raising kids that will be incapable of life when they leave the nest.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 9:46am.

The problem is that many children are not dropped off for an hour to shop with friends. Many are allowed to spend hours there and soon become bored and that's when the trouble starts. The children mentioned who are damaging the closed stores are not learning how to conduct themselves, they are just being destructive. With too many parents, as long as the children are not bothering them they aren't concerned--not all parents of course, but there are some-and these are the kids you see running amok. If one of these children got hurt those parents would be running for their lawyers. Forget the fact that their child was in a place he should not have been. These are the kids and parents who give all others a bad name.

I grew up on a small island town--practically everybody knew everybody else. In the summer, we were let loose and often left the house early in the morning and did not come back til lunch time and then back out again until suppertime. The thing is that everyone looked out for everyone else. If you did something that was not deemed right whoever saw you would say "Aren't you so-and-so's child?" They would know darn well you were and you would know they knew. The next thing said "Would your mama be happy to know you were doing that?" The answer was always "No maam or no sir." We knew better than to sass or show any disrespect and we knew we better straighten up. Also, even though you had not been home, your mother would know each and every place you had been. And not everyone had telephones, but they really were not needed--what a grapevine system! The difference today is that many people would be afraid to correct someone else's child and that many of those children would probably tell them to mind their own business.

I am not painting all parents with the same paint brush but we have become a nation where the kids rule the roost. Too may parents are afraid their children won't like them if they discipline them. We are so afraid of damaging our childrens' fragile egos (a little sarcasm there) that we cannot let them lose at any game, we do their school projects for them, in many cases we do not have an A,B,or C grade system because this may hurt their self-esteem. Little girls dress like pop tarts, because "that's what all the other girls do." Parents are too ready to sue--the school, the teacher, the coach, or whomever they think has not bent over backwards for little Susie or Johnny. How is this preparing your child for the real world out there? Believe me, in most instances, there will be no one catering to their needs. Yet many take this 'sue for any cause' into adulthood. We have to learn to have a balance in raising our children or we are heading for disaster--

Submitted by 123chiefs on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 7:28pm.

Does everyone know that McIntosh has the top SAT scores in the 4A division? Look on the front page of The Citizen right under the story about the cheerleaders.

Everyone makes mistakes and every school has things like this happen every year. McIntosh is one of the best schools in Georgia, but this incident proves no school is perfect. The girls and school have suffered enough. Lets focus on the good things happening in our community and pray the girls can make a comeback.

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

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Submitted by Main Stream on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 12:37pm.

My question relates somewhat with this thread regarding the actions of parents and their children but in regards to middle-school aged kids, who will one day grow up to be high schoolers in our community. I would really appreciate your input on an issue that seems to be prevalent among some parents of middle-schoolers in our community.

I've run into some parents who are finding it perfectly alright to drop off their 6th and 7th grade kids, unsupervised, at our local high school football games. The parents are just dropping the kids off with enough money to buy their energy drinks and hot dogs and leaving their 11 and 12 year olds at the games, totally unsupervised and to be watched, I suppose, by whatever high school administrator's are on hand at the game.

In addition to this, there are several parents who also drop their 11 and 12 year old kids off at The Avenue and the Kedron shopping area, unsupervised, with money to go "shopping." Other parents let their 11 yr. olds go to local restaurants by themselves, unsupervised, give them money to eat, even where liquor is served (i.e. Mellow Mushroom).

So, I'm just wondering if most parents these days really think that it is alright to allow their 10, 11 and 12 yr. olds out at these functions and establishments totally unsupervised and without their parents?? Is this really how parents should be raising kids these days, just give them money and turn them loose in public? At this age (middle-school)?

I would appreciate anyone's feedback...

Submitted by wildcat on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 5:21pm.

Most parents don't let middle school kids go unsupervised. Run far away from those parents that do. Remember, there is guilt by association (and also kidnapping, rape, drive by shootings, satanic rituals, etc). Stay far away from people like that and feel sorry for their kids (someone has to).

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Submitted by Main Stream on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 7:00pm.

"Most parents don't let middle school kids go unsupervised. Run far away from those parents that do."

Thanks wildcat... that is what our gut is telling us to do, to limit our kids' time with these families, as we know now that our children won't be very well supervised with these parents, if left with them during social activities with their own kids.

Submitted by winer on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 3:51pm.

hormone laden humanity! The only retail area where I have not come across this phenomena in the Peachtree City area is at the Hwy 54 Publix. I was wondering about this - the shopping center near the trailer park seems to be unaffected.

I have been hit in the ankle by a skateboard flying through the produce department at the Crosstown Kroger. I was broadsided, and knocked back into the store entry of Petco in Kendron by a preteen inside a shopping cart. His two buddies must have been pushing the cart down the sidewalk. I watched them continue the stunt after I recovered enough to retreat into the safety of my car. I've observed a gaggle of pre/early teens inside the empty storefront next to the Smoothie place. They were throwing PVC pipe and dirt clods at each other and it was bouncing off the plate glass windows.
I've watched these roaving hoards go into retail store and just start scrambling merchandise. Pick things up, move to a different area set it back down, and pick up more. Boys and girls playing tag and hide seek inside stores.

I don't know which is more scary - these kids out alone and raising cane OR in the company of adults who condone it?

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Submitted by Main Stream on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 7:10pm.

"I've observed a gaggle of pre/early teens inside the empty storefront next to the Smoothie place. They were throwing PVC pipe and dirt clods at each other and it was bouncing off the plate glass windows."

Yup, that's one of the fav hangouts, according to my pre-teen... the Smoothie store and PetCo, plus Target and Rue 21.

We've had several arguments lately with our pre-teen insisting that "all the parents let their kids go to Kedron and The Avenue ALONE to shop..."

Sorry, but that's not the way we're raising our kids.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 1:07pm.

My children and grandchildren are all grown now but when my children were younger they were not allowed to go anywhere unsupervised. Once, when my second daughter was about ten years old the caretaker of a young school friend begged me to let my daughter spend the night. After much questioning, rules and soul searching, I agreed with the understanding that they would be with the caretaker at all times and that I would pick up my daughter after church the next day. About 10 am the next morning I got a call from the local police that they had my daughter at the station. I told them they had to be mistaken. When they convinced me it was my daughter they said she and the other young girl was there because they had shoplifted a pair of zoris-(flip-flops) from a rack in the store at the mall. I knew most of the police in the area and when I got to the station, with my daughter in the other room, they started to make light of the situation. I assured them it was not to be taken lightly and I wanted them to scare the daylights out of her. Believe me, they did! I then took her back to the store and made her apologize to the store owner who too started to make light of the situation, saying it was no big deal. I interrupted him and said it certainly was a big deal or he would not have called the police. I then took my child home and explained in great detail why you did not take what did not belong to you. When I was able to reach the other child's caretaker I blasted her. After all our conversation and all her promises to keep the children under her watch, she said she had seen no reason why she just couldn't drop these two youngsters off at the mall! She also informed me that the little girl had stolen before and she thought that since my daughter was such a nice child she would be a good influence! Needless to say, my child never spent the night anywhere or was in anyone else's care until she was old enough to handle any situation by herself. I also never used the excuse that the other child had led my child into trouble. I explained to all my children that regardless of what friends did, they and they alone were responsible for their behavior. My children were not angels but they learned early that they were responsible for their actions and for every action there is a consequence. I wonder how many children are taught that today?

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Submitted by Main Stream on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 7:16pm.

You sound like a good parent and you did the right thing not to trivialize the shoplifting incident with your child.

I remember when I was about 5 yrs. old, on a shopping trip with my Grandma. We were in Woolworth's in the plastic flower section and there was a pretty red plastic rose, on the floor, and I picked it up and insisted that I should keep it, since it was on the floor. I screamed and cried at my Granny and she relented and let me take it home. But when we DID get home, my mom heard what happened and marched me back to Woolies to return the flower to the store manager. I'll never forget that and I've told my own kids that story, and hopefully, they will never shoplift in the future.

Good parenting, MYTMITE!

Submitted by MYTMITE on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 11:22pm.

As you probably know, it was not easy. There were times my kids felt I was too strict and times they felt mortified. After they were in their later teens they never went to a party that I did not first go over and meet the parents, offer my services, and make sure there would be adult supervision the whole time. They had chores and responsibilities and were warned that if I ever found them in public doing something they were not supposed to be doing, such as walking down the street with a cigarette hanging out of their mouth, I would have no compunction about embarrasing them in front of their friends as they were already embarassing me by their behavior. We had the house that all the kids came to--they were all welcome but they knew the rules and abided by them. As I said, it was not easy but now that they are grown and mothers in their own right, they have raised their children with the same rules and tell me time afer time that they were glad of the way they were raised--that it prepared them for living in the real world and being able to resist all those temptations. So it has it's rewards!!

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Submitted by All Smiles on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 8:58am.

ATLANTA (MyFOX ATLANTA) – Eight cheerleaders in Peachtree City were suspended from school and their varsity squad for being intoxicated at last week's football game

During Friday night's big rivalry game between McIntosh and Starr's Mill in Fayette County, the McIntosh varsity cheerleading squad of 18 was down to only 10.

School officials said eight members of the squad were intoxicated at last week's football game while they were cheering.

The eight members of the squad who were drinking received a 10 day out of school suspension and suspension from the squad for 25 percent of the season.

Parents said they were concerned the incident would knock the cheerleaders out of a major competition in November.

As to the question of whether the students will be charged with underage drinking on school property, Peachtree City police said the incident wasn't reported to them and the matter was handled internally.

This story content provided by FOX 5 Atlanta WAGA

Talkback about this subject on FOX 5’s Forums


Like I stated earlier, BIG MISTAKE!! A prescedence is being set for future drinking/intoxication on school property/school functions. I thought school sports/functions were "an extension of the classroom"?

Submitted by Dondol on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 11:55am.

Do you have any Children, because from your comments it doesn't sound like you do. When I was a kid the same things happened and it was handled by the school and the parents, the way it should be handled. What happened to the first time that your kid gets in trouble that he/she was taken home to their parents for them to handle. All this it takes a village CRAP is just that CRAP! Give the parents a chance to handle it and if it happens again then get the police involved.
Back in my day I way more scared of the ol man than I was of the police. Back in my day the police were your friends and they were there to help you, not anymore, they are there to look for any misstep and then swoop down to enhance revenue, Plain and Simple!
These kids were not doing anything that other kids have not done in the past, they were just stupid enough to get caught. Everyone needs to come down off of the pedestal that you have made and take a good look at yourself. Try and reach way back in your memories and remember what it was like and what you were doing when you were 16-17. How many of you were drinking, smoking pot and having sex. I know that you have tried to shelve it into a dark place in the far reaches of your mind but if you try real hard you will find you were doing the same things. You know the way most of you sound you very well could have been in one of the mobs that Lynched the first person that you found that just might be guilty. Its no wonder that this county is going straight to HELL!

Now just why in the Hell do I have to press 1 for English?

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Submitted by All Smiles on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 7:43pm.

Yes, if you scroll down far enough you will see I have had 2 children who attended McIntosh along with a little of their history, trouble and consequences.
Yes, I did many things back in the day which the police were never called as they are today. My problem with this situation is students broke the law while on school property at a school function. Other students at this school do some of the same things, some worse, some not near as bad, yet the administration calls the police. Here comes the real problem......the students in the future who break the law. Will the police no longer be called?

PS I do not have a child who is a cheerleader. As a matter of fact, I do not have a child at McIntosh.

Submitted by notjustcomplaining on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 12:34pm.

Wow...."stupid enough to get caught?" This is exactly why this behavior happens. Because in your eyes, drinking happens, sex happens, drugs happen....just be smart enough to NOT get caught and everyone is none the wiser. I pray that you do not have children in our Fayette county school system. It stinks that these girls made these choices, but they were blatant, in your face, we're above the law, CHOICES. And, they should be made to face blatant, in your face, within the law CONSEQUENCES! If they don't, what have they learned? They just learn that next time they need to be a little more covert and better at covering their tracks, and their parents are none the wiser....If accountability for their "missteps" had happened on the "real" first, or second, or tenth offense, then this one might have been avoided.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 4:19am.

Fox News reveals what the "concerned parents" are thinking about the McIntosh Drinking Team (aka "Varsity Football Cheerleaders") controversy:

"Parents said they were concerned the incident would knock the cheerleaders out of a major competition in November."


Got some mighty skewed parental priorities there, cheerleader parents!

Submitted by Im just saying on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 2:04pm.

Since Fox 5 reported from the game on Friday 10/17 and the cheerleaders in question were not allowed to be at that game then that means the parents of the cheerleaders not suspended are the parents that quoted the concern about competing for Fox 5. I'm just saying...

Maybe you should stop blaming the parents of the kids that made a mistake and take a look at the parents of the cheerleaders that were not caught this time. Maybe they are the ones intentionally dragging this out to get what they want...

I can promise you that none of the parents of the girls that got caught wanted the media involved, so that in its self is proof that the other parents are the malicious ones on here blogging and calling the news.

Everyone knows who you are...STOP it already!

Submitted by mary55 on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 8:23pm.

I am curious to know who you think is involving the media. I think it is interesting you think it is only ONE individual. The entire community is outraged by this. But according to you, and since you have the answers for everything, it was ONE person.-involvedSTUDENT

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 3:05pm.

"I can promise you that none of the parents of the girls that got caught wanted the media involved, so that in its self is proof that the other parents are the malicious ones on here blogging and calling the news."

Where did you learn this type of logic?

In one single leap of logic you're able to rule out any and all other groups, fellow students, students from another HS, members of the FCBoE, someone with an ax to grind, someone who just wants’ to stir the pot, everyone else with your intuitive laser-like insight.

Damn you’re good!

Can you read tea leaves as well? How about goat entrails?

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 7:29am.

No wonder the kids are so screwed up.

The real issue is they could have hit other people driving to or from the game. The parents must have 2 million dollar umbrella policies on their homes to be that nonchalant. Either that or their insurance agents didn't explain to some of them what will happen when their little "angels" hit and injure or kill someone while DUI.

Submitted by 123chiefs on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 7:34pm.

The girls who drove were not drunk, thats why they got "guilty by association." Five were drunk; three were not. The three who were not drunk were in the car, and one girl held the alcohol in her car. They all got guilty by association.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 3:20am.

My experience with raising girls is that high school is too late to begin to correct attitude and habits like drinking and driving, or even drinking at the wrong place!

The principles must be exhibited and taught at 3-10 years of age or it never sticks.

What is more important at that stage, you, or them?

Otherwise all you can do is hope for the best to occur! Stupid and unreliable.

Submitted by Im just saying on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 8:43pm.

Thank you 123chiefs!!! "Guilty by Association" the FCBoE Code of Conduct it is very black and white with no grey area so all were punished equally. We don't approve of underage drinking and especially driving, but feel there needs to be a lesser punishment for the "Guilty by Association".

Submitted by forreal on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 7:32pm.

I have no pity for these girls who are considered "guilty by association" because they do this kind of stuff all the time! They constantly discuss things like "I can only drink 5 or 6 beers, then I start burping too much." Seriously. They're not angels. The pictures on facebook don't lie. Stop pitying them. If they were actually good kids, they wouldn't have harbored the alcohol in their cars. They should count their lucky stars because the school agenda states that immediate expulsion is the consequence for having alcohol or drugs on campus...that's why we've got all those "drug and alcohol free" signs everywhere kids...

So why don't we all get over it already? Everyone got what they deserved as the school staff sees it fit. Let's stop whining for their sake...or, most likely, half of these people ARE the girls.
How about you guys start thinking about how you're gonna fix all of this?

You can only go up from here.

Submitted by Bonkers on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 3:24am.


Submitted by Im just saying on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 9:41am.

Because "guitly by association" means that they were present and new about it not that they did it.

- If a student knows about another student cheating and doesn't tell, they are not guilty of cheating.
- If a person is a passenger in a car of someone else speeding they don't get a speeding ticket.
- if someone sees a drunk in a public place that doesn't make them guilty of being a public drunk
- if a person knows that someone else is committing adultry that doesn't mean that their kids will commit adultry and it doesn't mean that everyone that knows about it is guilty of committing adultry.

If so, then the rest of the team is also "guilty by association" because they knew and didn't tell. There are probably 100's of scenarios that I could use to compare why.

If this had been a police matter all the kids present would NOT have been arrested for MIP and their reputations would not be in the paper, on TV and grades wouldn't suffer from OSS, and juvenile records are sealed and not requested on college apps but suspension is. If it had been handled by the police, there would not be anyone from the police department commenting and stating inaccurate information about minors like the spokesperson from FCBOE did. It would truly be sealed records and no one would know except the families and who they choose to tell. No one would know if they were cheerleaders, or football players, or band or honor students.

Do you realize that teenage suicide is the number one cause of death among teens, not car accidents or natural health issues and this much stress on a teenager is usually the types of reasons linked to teenage suicide?

This has been sensationalized by the media because a couple of parents wanted these kids scrutinized publically because they felt their "perfect" child was treated unfair. I can qoute the mothers' words, "if the school won't do anything, then I will have to do it myself". She said that when she called every parent on the team to try and get support for her daughter. In the end, I feel sorry for her poor daughter too. She has been effected negatively as well, but I bet the mother is not sorry for what she has done to all the other kids. She needs to take care of her kids and let others take care of their kids.

"Those who live in glass houses should not thrown stones".
That's why.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 10:34am.

Because "guitly by association" means that they were present and knew about it not that they did it.

- If a student knows about another student cheating and doesn't ell,
they are not guilty of cheating.

In a lot of schools, colleges, military, etc., they WOULD BE just as guilty for being aware of cheating and not reporting it. Those institutions have a honor code and I know where I went to HS and college, both had strict ones and it wasn't just a "policy" that was ignored. You were expected to follow it or go attend elsewhere. You got a copy of it, had it explained in detail, and signed it. The benefit to the student is that under the honor code you generally don't have teachers patrolling the aisles or giving you the airport security treatment and assuming you're cheating while you're trying to think and take an exam.

I know some are going to guffaw over something that seems outdated like an honor code, but I think it works. It conveys to the student that you're an adult or close enough to it that the school/institution/etc trusts you to act in a manner that is honorable and that you will expect your peers to do the same.

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Submitted by Acey1 on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 10:43am.

Absolutely correct.

Submitted by Im just saying on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 10:12pm.

not guilty

Submitted by forreal on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 7:37pm.

Actually, correct Smiling
Anyone who assists someone in cheating or knows of someone who cheated but does not tell the teacher, he/she is guilty of cheating as well.

It's life. You know if you're in the car with someone and they have illegal drugs stored there, you too can get charged with possession? Even if you had no idea the person you're in the car with does drugs or sells drugs. GUILTY BY ASSOCIATION is the LAW.

Submitted by Im just saying on Tue, 10/21/2008 - 11:19pm.

In that case the whole team of 18 was guilty...

Submitted by notjustcomplaining on Sat, 10/18/2008 - 11:18pm.

I want to commend Principal Fleming for taking appropriate action in this matter. It is difficult to be an administrator in this situation - - most parents want you to have zero tolerance, but unfortunately there is also much pressure from the parents of the children affected to punish publicly, but sweep it under the rug later with their school records. Stand firm Principal Fleming! We support you! Please, do not cave in to the pressure to go easy!

Please remember Principal Fleming - - your rule-following students are paying attention. They want you to do the right thing. They want their peers who routinely act "above the law" to suffer an appropriate consequence for their actions. Yes, all of us make mistakes. But this was bold, blatant, "in your face" behavior that hurts the reputation of the team, our school and our community. Your rule-following students are watching you, Principal Fleming, and they want you to send the message that this behavior was not only a disgrace, but dangerous to all involved.

What is ironic is that those involved are the same girls who will argue vehemently that cheerleading is a serious sport. And they are right - - it is! Stunting frequently results in bruises, black eyes, broken noses and bones. So, the fact that they so blatantly disregarded these risks by impairing themselves with alcohol is just crazy!

Will this discipline change the behavior of these girls? Sadly, I think the answer is "no". Why? Because their parents don't believe that their girls acted on their own - - they explain it away as a product of peer pressure. What a shame. This is not new behavior.

Submitted by Im just saying on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 2:25pm.

Sounds like someone is out to get them for more than just this one issue. It sounds like there's some jealousy that goes much deeper. If it's not new behavior and you knew about it, then shame on you for not getting parents involved earler.

Submitted by notjustcomplaining on Sun, 10/19/2008 - 4:30pm.

Jealous that my child isn't:

- getting bombed before the football game and
bragging that they're "sooooo drunk"

- driving golf carts illegally way before 15
because "everyone does it?"

- laughing it off to their friends now that "it's no big deal"
even as one of their team mates loses her cheer scholarship

- disgracing their team, their school and their community
with behavior that could have harmed them and others?

Oh yeah....we're really jealous! Wish our
kids could be just like yours!

Submitted by Im just saying on Mon, 10/20/2008 - 10:09pm.

I don't know who you are referring to but I can promise you that my child has...
- never been bombed before, during or after a game
- never been allowed to drive golf carts or be a passenger on a golf cart before legally old enough
- hasn't seen or talked to friends...

- scholarships have already been given? that's pretty early for a recruiter to do since they haven't been to state yet...

You shouldn't listen rumors...that's the biggest part of this problem.

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