Food for thought!

Fri, 10/10/2008 - 9:18am
By: fluffybear

I was speaking with someone this morning and during our conversation, the following idea was raised. Before you flame me for these comments just understand that this is nothing more then some food for thought and would be asking the same questions if the tables were turned .

That being said :

Is it possible that the Democrats tanked the economy in order to insure they win the White House in 2008?

Is it possible the democrats felt like Hilary (the presumed nominee not all that long ago) needed a little help so they did everything possible to screw us and make us want to vote democrat?

The democrats are quick to blame the Bush administration for a 8-years of failed economics but let us really think about this a moment.

When did the economy really start to take a dive? When the democrats seized control of congress!

I don't think anyone can really complain about the economy for the first 5 or so years of the Bush administration. let's be honest!

In 2003 under a republican controlled congress, I was able to sell my 3 bedroom 1 bath house in Southern California (which I had purchased 3 years before for $195,000) for $521,000 plus the buyer paid all costs including my brokers 5% commission.

People were flipping houses left and right and making huge profits. People were bragging about how much they were making in the stock market and how they were going to live high of the hog when they retire thanks to their 401K's.

Reform legislation had been introduced in the democrat controlled congress on a number of occasions only to have it go up in flames or never leave committee.

Lastly , you will notice I did not attack either candidate or choice of VP personally so could we do without the smears, name calling, and allegations.

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Submitted by Bonkers on Sun, 10/12/2008 - 4:51pm.

I hate to burst your bubble but what you did in California is one of the primary causes of our current problem! This is not to say that you shouldn't have done it, but to say that you shouldn't have been able to do it!

It was all a Ponzi scheme! Someone had to get stuck somewhere!

There is no way that any democrat or republican could start our current recession, maybe soon to be a depression, by any action!
Crooked money instruments with insufficient collateral piled up until someone couldn't loan any more money for anything. A false economy was created for temporary gains and bonuses--that is it!

Now instead of starting at the home town level to bail out the economy, they are giving the same group of banks and investment houses more printed money which will never get to places like Peachtree City and it's citizens.

The 401-k, which was to replace the Social Security guaranteed system was a republican idea---based upon a fragile stock market.

I don't think you can argue that that was wrong.

Submitted by fluffybear on Sun, 10/12/2008 - 5:49pm.

I don't know if would call the 401K a bad idea. You had the opportunity to choose fixed investments, didn't you? Many chose to go with more risky investments because of the possibility of higher gains. Those same people knew there was a chance the bottom could fall out but you paid no attention and went right ahead and went with those high yields investment. I'm sorry but YOU WERE WARNED!

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 9:56pm.

Does Barack Obama seem a bit uncertain to you? That is a good thing.

From Scientific American, an article on being cautious about trusting certainty too much: LINK

"I can't wait until tomorrow, because I get more lovable every day."


Submitted by PTC Avenger on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 8:30am.

This makes me sick to my stomach. Rome is burning and the parties are pointing fingers at each other trying to assign blame. The two-party system in this country is a sham, I'm surprised you guys haven't figured that out yet. It's time to look at the big picture.

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 9:45am.

Go both ways.


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Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 2:39pm.

"Is it possible that the Democrats tanked the economy in order to insure they win the White House in 2008?"

Well, I guess you, skyspy and hi grover could believe it was possible, along with believing that Paul is dead, NASA faked the moon landing and Princess Diana was murdered.

Please add your theory to this website:

LINK

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Submitted by fluffybear on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 7:10pm.

please do not put words in my mouth! No where did I say it to be true or that I personally believe it. I said this was something brought up during a morning conversation and asked your opinion if this could have been possible!

Submitted by faux_paws on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 10:42am.

obviously this food for thought is really just a non-committal conspiracy theory. it's like if i said
"here's something to think about...john mccain hates america. he has constantly voted against regulation of the financial strongholds and now that they have crumbled (due to lack of regulation and excess greed), the economy is tanking. now, what if mccain wanted this all along? it's just something to think about, i'm not saying that i believe it (but i obviously do)."

you see, it's not a simple suggestion. if you were to tell me that you were a democrat, i'm pretty sure you'd be lying.

Submitted by fluffybear on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 7:18pm.

Actually I am registered as an Independent..

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 7:58pm.

while some states require you to register as a particular political party supporter or independent, there is no such rule in Georgia...here you are either registered to vote or not. Sorry. Keep the faith.

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Submitted by JeffC on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 2:00pm.

But how did the Democrats who have controlled Congress for almost two years manage to get the Bush administration and the Republicans who controlled Congress the previous ten years to increase the size of government by 40%, start two wars which helped increase the deficit by 4.5 trillion dollars and think they could finance it with a tax cut? Or is all that irrelevant?

Bill Clinton was truly devious! He set up the Bush administration and the Republican controlled Congress to fail by leaving them a huge budget surplus and a vigorous economy knowing that would lead to the current crisis in the US financial system.

And people say the Democratic Party is not organized and has no ideas. Little did they know!


Submitted by fluffybear on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 7:28pm.

I believe they have had control for 4 years. I believe the break down in the senate was 49 to 49 with 2 independents who typically side with the Democrats.

I think these questions stem more from the fact that reform legislation was blocked by the democrats. I do not believe anyone was laying blame solely on the democrats for getting us into this mess but rather not delivering the fix early enough.

It is kind of like taking medicine after you are sick. If you went and saw the doctor once you started to notice something wrong, he/she may have given you something to get rid of the illness before it became to severe or at least making it less severe.

As for the war, I do not think either side is to blame there. This was a tragic event which called for serious measures.

Submitted by faux_paws on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 10:58am.

first off, 2006 is when democrats took control of the house and senate...this isn't debatable and is not something based upon "belief."

i'm not sure what mess it is that you're talking about...i watched the news a few months ago and bush and mccain both told me our economy was strong. i do recall though that republicans have constantly sought to deregulate major financial institutions and then insure them...so essentially, in '99 some republicans thought it would be a good idea to deregulate wall street...they did...wall street starts investing recklessly...republicans look foolish...but still refuse initial bailout because it does not embrace their ideals...and two thirds of republicans vote against initial bill...and then you, joe six pack, say that the democrats did not act fast enough...

p.s.what do you mean by tragic event? do you mean 9/11? because you know that they have proven that iraq DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANY ATTACKS and that THEY DIDN'T HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! so in fact, no serious measure was called for. no no, before you disagree, democrats AND republicans both said that when you looked at the facts, we just presented shaky evidence that didn't really add up. you can't just go around saying things like this fluffybear, it keeps the ball of ignorance rolling.

Submitted by fluffybear on Sun, 10/12/2008 - 7:27am.

Did I say Iraq?? NO!!! Go back and read your buddies (JeffC) message a little closer this time. Had you done this, you might have discovered he stated Bush started 2 wars. I'm sorry but I do not feel Afghanistan and the hunt for Osama Bid Laden was not justified.

I saw an interview a couple of weeks back (I think it was on 10/1 and has been replayed on several networks recently) with Bill Clinton (you remember him) in which he stated in his opinion the democrats were responsible by not siding with republican plans for reform.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sun, 10/12/2008 - 12:25pm.

The war in Afghanistan and the hunt for bin Laden was entirely justified. Bush and the R's are hurt politically by the mismanagement which includes the economic effects.

Does anyone honestly believe that the financial crisis would have happened if Bush had kept the budget surpluses that he inherited going?


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 9:44am.

clinton started the ball rolling in 1999 by forcing banks to approve subprime mortgages. Now the democratic controlled congress approved a bailout program that lowered the value of the dollar to nothing.

It is almost as if the dems. studied the great depression, and repeated it on purpose. If we had not bailed out these loser companies the recession would have probably only lasted a year or 2 like in 1921 when the gov. refused to bail out the railroad companies and the farmers.

It will be hard to vote out people who voted for this bailout. McCain and obama both voted for it. Chambliss and Martin voted for it. Westmorland didn't and several other GA republicans listened to the people as well.
I guess we will all just have to put off retirment for another 10yrs. Oh, well.

Submitted by faux_paws on Sat, 10/11/2008 - 11:07am.

again, i know that you think the democrats somehow caused this, bless your heart...and i'm sure that you think that the deregulation of wall street that was led by republicans has nothing to do with the foolish investments (that no one could have made otherwise) that have tanked our economy, and that's just so adorable. but it's time to grow up. you say in your last paragraph that both sides voted for it, but you begin by saying that this is all the democrats fault...but you know that republicans wanted this too...which is all the more baffling because republicans want deregulation, SMALL government (we have the biggest ever right now), and most republicans i know want to do away with any social programs...but they still get mad if the schools aren't good enough or if their roads have potholes or if their economy stinks...it's just baffling to me because so many republicans will say that they don't believe in big government, that is until their own wallets are pinched and they need help.

Submitted by hi grover on Fri, 10/10/2008 - 11:50am.

The Dems tried to steal the election in 2000, then they bring in Kerry in 2004 not much of a chance, all while grooming Obama. Hills was to polarizing to the country. Add some economic hard times and pinch the wallets of the "Joe six pack" crowd and BAM!! Here we are the Dems had a plan all along... you could definitely be on to something.

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