McCain's Record vs. Obama's Rhetoric

Sun, 09/28/2008 - 12:38pm
By: Richard Hobbs

I watched the Debate and I tried to remain unbiased, but as we all know, we are to one degree or another going to see things through the world view we all have.

However, several on this website have commented about one particular part of the debate.

McCain's comments about a bracelet he wears given to him by the family of a fallen soldier in Iraq. He was asked to not allow their son's death be in vain. He vowed to fight until victory was reached.

When King Barry began to speak, you could see his comfort level immediately decrease. He fumbled with his wrist, torquing it with his hand. He was about to play his "I love our soldier's but hate the war rhetoric" and you could tell he wasn't earnest.

He struggled to remember the name of the solder who died in combat. His comments were that this bracelet was given to him by the parents to remind him not to allow more of our soldiers to die unnecessarily. (Or some such facsimile.)

Today, I'm scouring through the news and I find that King Barry may have not been as honest as he suggested. In fact, the family says they repeatedly have asked him NOT to wear the bracelet and they were hurt by the politicizing of their son's death without their permission.

"I have a bracelet too!" might be good rhetoric, but its a shameless abuse of a soldier's life that was given in hopes of victory in Iraq, not a life given for a quick retreat and ultimate defeat as Barack wants to do.

Liberals are never comfortable with the patriotism and pride that our American Soldiers have for this nation. They can't understand why anyone would want to "get stuck in Iraq" as John Kerry once said.

Barack's rhetoric clashes directly with his record, or lack thereof.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 4:54pm.

kicking out those without proper documentation or was it just a case of selective enforcement?

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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 5:05pm.

The PM is the same tribe as O's kin. The Pres. is not and doesn't want the PM to have the prestige. If the Pres. knew the book was going to be a hit piece he probably would have allowed Corsi in. They're just not up on the subtleties of US politics. I thought it was funny.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 5:07pm.

TRIBE!!!
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Submitted by Bonkers on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 4:30am.

Yeah, tribe!
I, myself, come from the Viking tribe--Orkored.
My wife however comes from the Borkoblanca tribe of Old Scots!

They hung in tribes (somewhat like Georgians and Arkansans) to avoid as much as possible too much related blood mixing).

Of course they also fought others together and hunted food and water together (much like the tribes of the Republicans and Democrats do).

The worst, meanest, selfish tribes of recent times however are the Wall-Hedge-Derivative (WHD) Group on the Island of York.

There are thousands of connected groups to the WHD, local mortgage writer-uppers, who cooperate with the WHD, but have no responsibility.

Now, the Federal Reserves, a Washington Consortium, has joined the group, and will finance the sorrow with taxpayers money!

President Hoover's grave has shown signs of upheaval and sounds of laughter as of late.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 10/08/2008 - 5:03am.

There you go again, throwing Hoover's name around. Smiling At least Truman like him.
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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 10/07/2008 - 6:06pm.

The PM (Odinga) is Luo, the Pres. (Kibaki) Is Kikuyus. That's how it works there.


Submitted by jokerman on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 9:29am.

If anyone is still under the impression that O is a great, spellbinding speaker, please do the rest of us a favor and spend some time on Youtube checking out his greatest gaffes. He has a short, halting manner of speaking (to quote a Seinfeld episode), and tends to ramble incoherently without a teleprompter. And other than his supposed oratory, what is it about this guy that makes him a credible contender for the most important job in the world? I don't always agree with, or even like McCain, but I can't conceive of how a person could be more qualified for the job than he is. This election will be studied by scholars in later years and the media bias will be revealed fully. The fact that so many young people are fawning over this latest "cult of personality" should tell you all you need to know. Obama really is an empty suit. And he has extremely thin skin. Just ask Maureen Dowd.

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Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 11:31am.

McCain forfeited the election by endangering the country with his choice of Palin. Americans aren't stupid and Palin has scared them to death.

McCain's first "Presidential" decision was a total blunder. He can't recover.


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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 12:13pm.

Unfortunately (says I), I think you are right about this. I expect an Obama victory by landslide (and would welcome being proved wrong).

Have you seen the emails circulating, attempting to mobilize people to visit the PBS website and vote on the proposition, "Sarah Palin is qualified to be VP"? I received it today from some good friends who are Christian conservatives. They seem to assume that if you are (a) Christian and (b) conservative then you'll vote that Palin is qualified.

But I am both (a) and (b) and, if I bothered to vote, I would vote no.

What the heck do political and religious views have to do with the matter of fact question of whether she has the wherewithal to lead the nation?

James Carville nailed it. Her performance in the few interviews granted evinces a general and prior lack of interest in the issues that ought to occupy the mind of someone aspiring to this office. It is not merely a gaffe here or there, or a bit of gibberish when unsupported by a teleprompter. It is like voting for Pollyanna for President. It is evident to anyone with eyes and ears that she has a TBN mind in a PBS world.

I think this election has been thrown away and that it is likely that the religious right is largely to blame. Idiots.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 6:48am.

"They seem to assume that if you are (a) Christian and (b) conservative then you'll vote that Palin is qualified."

You mean, you use logic and reason when determining your own opinions and then draw a conclusion based on your findings?

You are such a troublemaker! Eye-wink

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 7:43pm.

"Some Republicans say they are uncertain of McCain’s electoral strategy, wondering why, for example, he’s back in Iowa this week, a state few independent analysts see as being in play and where public polls this month show Obama enjoying a double-digit lead even before the economic meltdown. Asked why McCain was in Iowa, one veteran Republican there replied: “Because he’s running a senseless, non-strategic campaign. Why else would he come here?”

Maybe Sarah "Joe Six-pack" Palin can help boost his poll numbers **chuckle**

LINK

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Submitted by Bonkers on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 1:44pm.

I don't think Madame Palin will have much effect on conservative voters who want to vote for McCain. It didn't faze them with Bush Senior's VP pick (potatos, wasn't it?) (or was it Patatoes?)

They won't stay at home either!

He wanted those few he could get who find most people not religious.
I don't know what "religious" means, but apparently to some it is to expound upon it all of the time and to criticize others.

He still will get more done on health costs, Social security, wars, and even the depression than Obama would be able to do---providing he lives through it

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Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 2:34pm.

The R's will obviously vote for their candidate regardless of their qualifications. So will the D's. Her pick as VP has disqualified McCain with the unaligned and independents who decide the elections.


Submitted by swac on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 2:54pm.

Democrat V Republican. I give you:

Fiscal Conservative Reagan = $200 billion deficit.

Fiscal Conservative Bush the elder = $300 billion deficit.

Tax and spend liberal Clinton = $200+ SURPLUS.

Fiscal Conservative Bush W = 482 billion deficit

Now McCain promises to be a fiscal conservative. Can we afford another fiscal conservative

Submitted by jokerman on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 1:09pm.

How exactly is Obama qualified to be President????? I'll grant you that Palin is not as qualified as others to be VICE President. But neither is Obama qualified to be Vice President, let alone President. Someone please answer this question without bringing up the name Palin.

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Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 2:29pm.

He's qualified because of his extensive knowledge concerning foreign affairs combined with a keen intellect which led him to correctly assess the dangers of invading Iraq in spite of withering criticism from the neocon establishment. He has backed a withdrawal strategy which was endorsed by the Iraqi government and more or less adopted by the Bush administration. He correctly assessed the Afghanistan war calling for more troops there years before his position was adopted by the Bush administration and even later by John McCain. His position on engaging foreign leaders has also been adopted by the Bush administration which led the chorus against him until they flipped to his position.

To answer your question in a word: judgment.


Submitted by 1bighammer on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 2:39pm.

write in his book "From Audacity of Hope" :'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'?

Or is it the Judgment that let him stay on the pew for twenty years listening to his hate mongering pastor Rev. Wright spew venom about whites and the USA?

Wait...I bet its the Judgment he used to become friends with William Ayers, an Terrorist and Radical.

Maybe its the Judgment that led him to seek financial advice from Franklin Raines the guy that ran Fannie Mae into the ground.

No ..its probably the Judgment that he used when he stated Iran was a small country and isn't a problem.

Ah..I got it its the Judgment that he used when one day he spoke to middle class Americans in the eastern US and then then next day when speaking to Liberal Elitists in the west, Called those same Americans "Bitter and clinging to their guns and religion".

Nope I got it...this is it. Its the Judgment he used when he allowed his campaign to accept a $33,000 donation from "Palestinian" brothers from the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza Foreign donations are illegal. The "Palestinian" brothers were proud and vocal of their "love" for Obama. Their vocal support on behalf of "Palestinians" spoke volumes to Obama's campaign.

Yep JEFF he's got great extensive knowledge concerning foreign affairs!

Three words why Obama isn't qualified to be President: "LACK of JUDGMENT"

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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 10/02/2008 - 3:14pm.

Your quote is intentionally distorted. Obama really wrote:

“...America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Both Obama and Raines have said that Raines is not an adviser.

His quote on Iran was that it was a tiny country compared to the threat we had faced from Russia during the Cold War. Undeniably true.

The Palestinian donation story is fiction. All foreign contributions are returned because it is illegal to accept foreign donations as McCain found out after the Israeli press made his Palestinian contributions public.

McCain forced to forgo illegal funds from Palestinian donors

You need to read stuff other than WorldNetDaily.

Ho-hum.


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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 2:14pm.

I certainly cannot answer that question. I have seen nothing of real substance beyond his rhetoric and wish I had more than one vote to cast against him.

But my comments are principally about the perception of the candidates and my own disappointment in choices made by the GOP. It may well be true that Obama is no more qualified than Palin, but, if that is the case, he at least does a much better job of playing to the audience. Anyone who has ever attempted to BS their way through an interview finds much that is familiar in Palin.

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Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 12:21pm.

New post debate Quinnipiac and Insider Advantage polls show Obama surging to a 15 point lead in Pennsylvania, and a 7-8 point lead in both Ohio and Florida. Internals in the polling show two major trends; first Obama is seen as a safe Presidential candidate on the same level as McCain following his debate performance. This is the “commander and chief” test. Secondly, McCain’s pick of Palin is seen as increasingly rash with 53% now saying she is unqualified to be President.

McCain is wasting time in Iowa. Where are his advisors? He needs to be in Florida without which he cannot win, and either Pennsylvania or Ohio, pick one and concentrate on it. At this point Ohio seems the better bet with Ohio media leaking into southern Penn.

Missouri seems to be solidifying for McCain while Obama’s momentum is slowing in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Obama is not increasing his lead as fast as he was. If McCain can begin a turn around, it’s possible Minn. and Wis. MAY become competitive. McCain is facing the same position in Indiana (!!!) where Bush won by over 20% in 2004 up from 15.7% in 2000. McCain’s lead is tenuous at 2.4% in what should be a very safe state for him.

McCain is running out of time. Some political theories would assign Obama (the candidate showing momentum) an eighth of a point per day during the last month simply from people deciding they want to be on the winning side.

Palin’s debate tomorrow night will be watched by a huge audience. She is in the unenviable position of not being able to do anything except hurt the ticket. If she wins, the debate becomes unimportant as per the Bentsen / Quayle where Bentsen clearly won but it had no effect on the election. If Biden makes a major gaffe he gets a pass because of his experience and gravitas and history of making gaffes. If Palin makes a gaffe the press will write thousands of stories calling into question McCain’s judgment in selecting her.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 12:48pm.

Forget about the presidential race for a moment...did you see the US Senate poll released today? They only poll in Georgia about once a month because "everyone knows" that Georgia is a "red state".

Chambliss: 46%
Martin: 44%

It couldn't happen to a nicer guy than Chambliss, who has a special suite reserved in the Hitler Hotel in Hell for his smearing Max Cleland as a friend of Bin Laden in 2002.


Submitted by jokerman on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 1:14pm.

It will be because of Saxby. He has done everything conceivable to alienate (pun intended) his electorate. Vernon Jones would probably be leading right now if he had won the nomination. Martin seems like a decent enough guy, but he hasn't exactly been wowing anyone with his campaign strategy. He is doing as well as he is right now by default.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 9:51am.

ask Maureen Dowd?

You mean the NY Times columnist who was thrown off the McCain "Straight Talk Express" plane "for the foreseeable future" for writing commentary that was critical of McCain?

No thanks, I'll pass.

John McCain lacks the temperament and the integrity to be President.


Submitted by jokerman on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 10:03am.

not to mention his rather large elephant ears in her columns anymore. So much for freedom of the press.

Submitted by bowser on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:31pm.

Mr. Hobbs, you might want to cast your "world view" beyond misleading headlines on the Sludge Report.

Tracy Jopek, mother of the fallen soldier in question, gave Obama the bracelet at a rally in Green Bay, Wis., in February. Here’s an AP story from the Washington Post on Feb 18:

Mrs. Jopek said she and her daughter briefly met the Illinois senator at the rally and showed him a picture of a smiling Ryan dressed for battle. She said the senator hugged her and her daughter, asked a couple questions about Ryan and told her how much he appreciated the bracelet.
"I wanted him to know my son's name for one thing, for when he's commander in chief," Mrs. Jopek said during a telephone interview in which she frequently grew emotional. She said she was somewhat uncomfortable getting so publicly involved in the war debate, but felt the issue was too important for her to remain silent during this campaign.
She said she's a Democrat who will vote for Obama in Wisconsin's primary Tuesday. Like Obama, she said she was against the war from the start and had a hard time watching her son go to war.
"My son loved this country very much, I love this country, but I don't feel that staying in Iraq will vindicate my son's death," she said. "And it's not over for us until this war is over. I just don't want any more soldiers to die in vain for something that we can't solve."

The claim that Ms. Jopek later decided she did not want Obama wearing the bracelet comes not from Ms. Jopek herself but from her EX-HUSBAND. (And we all know how credible hearsay testimony from an ex is...)

He claimed in an interview with – guess who – a conservative talk radio host, that she told him in an E-MAIL (apparently they're not on speaking terms) that she had asked Obama not to wear the bracelet on the trail. He also said her motivation was that she was getting too much crap from conservatives who didn't cotton to a bereaved mother having a dissenting view. That's the one thing about this "story" that actually rings true.

Now, IF Ms. Jopek really did ask Obama or his campaign to not wear the bracelet, for whatever reason, that should have been honored. But it's far less than clear that's what occurred, or that word of her request ever got to Obama himself even IF she made it. If it did he'd have to be pretty stupid to set himself up for the blowback by mentioning the bracelet in a debate.

Submitted by Jersey Girl on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 1:08pm.

Here's a portion of another article about Ms. Jopek saying she was happy Obama mentioned her son:

MILWAUKEE -- The mother of a Wisconsin soldier who died in Iraq says she was "ecstatic" when Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama mentioned during Friday's debate the bracelet she gave him in honor of her son.

Tracy Jopek of Merrill told The Associated Press on Sunday she was honored that Obama remembered Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, who was killed in 2006 by a roadside bomb.

Jopek criticized Internet reports suggesting Obama, D-Ill., exploited her son for political purposes.

"I don't understand how people can take that and turn it into some garbage on the Internet," she said.

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Personally, I think Senator Obama did extremely well during the debate. I think Senator McCain actually came off rather arrogant, making snide laughing sounds many times when Obama was speaking. A couple of times he repeated himself so often, Lehrer had to ask him to move on.

Obama is a much better choice for President - his intelligence, his temperament, his running mate, his ideals, his past history, his terrific plans for the country.

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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 9:33pm.

The condesending, snobbish, uppity Barack kept on refering to Senator McCain as "John", showing his total lack of respect for a Senior Senator. Barack Obama will say anything now to get elected. He has proven himself a man who will flat out lie to the American people.
For example, during the debate, Senator McCain called out Barack on his statement that he would meet with any dictator face-to-face without preconditions. Barack flat out lied right there on stage by saying that he never said that.

Again, Barack will say and do anything to get elected. He states that 95% of Americans will receive tax cuts if he becomes President, but he is likely to pull a Slick Willy Clinton and raise taxes one month into his term.

Any person such as Barack who associates and donates money to a corrupt outfit like ACORN cannot be trusted.


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Submitted by diva on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 8:29am.

and a fascination with "lying."

"The condescending, snobbish, uppity Barack kept on referring to Senator McCain as "John""

Oh mercy me! That "uppity" black boy didn't show respect to the man he's locked in battle with; the man who claimed Barack would lose Iraq as if it were ours to lose for political purposes; the man who claimed Barack had called his running mate (aka leg shackle) a "pig" when Barack used a figure of speech McCain himself used three times referring to Hillary Clinton; a man that has what journalists considered this season's worst ad "liar liar pants on fire" rated, claiming Barack wanted to teach kindergarten kids about sex.

Conservative compensators such as yourself, Fred, are making whining into a profession; along with back-handed bigotry (uppity, career organizer). Gee, I thought he was a SENATOR. You should scold Giuliani and Palin for not being respectful LOL.

At any rate Liar liar pants on fire, if your name is REALLY Fred Garvin as you have posted, which phone book are you in? Will you write a Letter to the Editor? What links do you have for us as Richard Hobbs can clearly be looked up as a lawyer and Jeff Carter can be found using the Google. I think liars sometimes protest too much. And I think some shriveled up little self conscious guys might be a bit jealous of a popular, well-educated, even-tempered, presidential, man who happens to have black roots.

Oh, and if Barack emulates PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON (for those concerned about respectful speech LOL), I hope he starts by balancing the budget your party has completely dismantled.


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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 12:04pm.

Definition of Uppity (Encarta): Presumptuous; behaving in a way that is considered presumptuous and more suited to somebody belonging a higher social class or position

Presumptuous: Rude or Arrogant; inconsiderate, disrespectful, or overconfident, especially in doing something when not entitled or qualified to do it.

barack is a junior senator. Senator McCain is a Senior Senator.

Uppity, Uppity, Uppity, Uppity, Uppity, Uppity, Uppity, Uppity, Uppity, Uppity, Uppity, Uppity.


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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 10:59am.

along with back-handed bigotry (uppity, career organizer)

Yeah, yeah.....we've already heard the crap that calling someone a "community organizer" (is a career organizer a job recruiter or head-hunter????) or uppity is code for black. Blah, blah, blah....

I think liars sometimes protest too much.

Many of us have the same thought reading your angry ramblings here.

And I think some shriveled up little self conscious guys might be a bit jealous of a popular, well-educated, even-tempered, presidential, man who happens to have black roots.

Trust me diva, there may actually be some who are jealous of him. What would that matter? Many of us just don't want that particular popular, well-educated, even-tempered, presidential, man who happens to have black roots to be the President of our country. Ya feel me???


Submitted by Davids mom on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 12:36pm.

Isn't it interesting that the more Garvin and meanoldconservative post - the more Obama gains in the polls? Keep it up!!! Love it:-)

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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 2:10pm.

And you're saying the two are connected? I know my posts hold mucho gravitas and all, but that may be overstating it a bit.

I just enjoy busting the libs on here who attack, crack on conservativism and try to lay all the blame on us.

You know about those polls don't you? If not, ask Jeff C's dad.

Oh yeah, tell diva I said hi!!


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Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 2:15pm.

The polls were right. Are you sure you're old enough to remember? I'm dropping that part of your moniker until you reassure me.


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Submitted by meanoldconservatives on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 4:04pm.

You were somewhat closer to it than me, but I thought your dad was leading by as much as 8 points going into the debates??? Either way, they didn't predict the eventual margin of victory.

That was my point, if he was. Things can change quickly, and that looks like what we'll need.

Suit yourself on my moniker. I realize my age every day....


Submitted by bowser on Tue, 09/30/2008 - 9:03pm.

Thanks for bringing us up to date, Ms. Jersey.

And so, another Sludge Report/Murdoch Media myth shot down in flames.

But fear not, Nobama-ites. I'm sure the original "story" is already making the chain-mail rounds and will live on as certified fact in the minds of many a rightwinger.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:42pm.

Maybe you can ask one of these people who have endorsed Obama to explain it to you.

John Adams, Brigadier General US Army (Ret), Former Deputy US Military Representative to the NATO Military Committee

Clifford Alexander, Jr., former Secretary of the Army

Susan Ahn Cuddy, first female gunner officer in the U.S. Navy and daughter of Korean Independence fighter Ahn Chang-ho

Wesley Clark, former General, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe of NATO

Tom Daniels, Texas Air National Guard

Richard Danzig, former Secretary of the Navy

Larry Gillespie, Brigadier General (Ret), Assistant Deputy Commanding General, (ARNG) Army Material Command

Scott Gration Major General (USAF-Ret), former Director of Strategy, Policy, and Assessments of the United States European Command in Germany

Donald Joseph Guter, former Judge Advocate General of the Navy, current Dean, Duquesne University School of Law,

Richard D. Hearney, former Assistant Commandant of the Marine Corps

John Hutson, former Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy

Jeh Johnson, former General Counsel of the U.S. Air Force

Lester Lyles, former Vice Chief of Staff of the United States Air Force

David 'Dave' McGinnis, Brigadier General (Ret), former Chief of Staff of the National Guard Association of the U.S.

Merrill A. McPeak, four star General (Ret), former Secretary of the United States Air Force during Operation Desert Storm

John B. Nathman (Ret), former Commander, U.S. Fleet Forces Command and Vice Chief of Naval Operations

F. Whitten Peters, former Secretary of the Air Force

Hugh Robinson, Major General (Ret), Commander of the Southwestern Division

James Smith, Brigadier General (USAF-Ret), former Commander, Joint Warfighting Center, U.S. Joint Forces Command, Joint Training Analysis and Simulation Center

Robert 'Willie' Williamson Rear Admiral (USN-Ret), served as military Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development and Acquisition and Director, Office of Program Appraisal

Ralph Wooten Major General (Ret), former Commanding General of the Army’s Chemical Arsenal, currently the Executive Vice President of Management Systems, Inc


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Submitted by alittlebirdietoldme on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 3:44pm.

Even my children said the big O sounded like a baby..."well, I have one too!" wa wa waaaaaaaaa lol


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Submitted by diva on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 8:42am.

to quote a scholar: "wa wa waaaaaaaaa lol"


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Submitted by JeffC on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:01pm.

Most people know that military personnel currently serving cannot endorse.


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Submitted by alittlebirdietoldme on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 4:36pm.

therein lies the problem with your arguement


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Submitted by JeffC on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 6:03pm.

You're saying that the people I listed are what? Unknowledgable? Uninformed? Not patriotic? Dazzled by Obama? Unrepresentative of active military? What?


Submitted by jokerman on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 9:17am.

For what specific reasons would they want a freshman, jr. Senator from Illinois, with a dodgy background, to become the leader of the free world in such perilous times? Man, I can't wait to hear the response.

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Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 11:25am.

The presently serving military recognize that Obama was right about going into Iraq, right about wanting to get out of Iraq, right about his assessment of Afghanistan and right about his assessment of Iran.

Active military cannot endorse but they can contribute. Obama has a 4:1 advantage in the number of contributors in the active military and a 9:1 advantage among active military overseas.


Submitted by jokerman on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 11:59am.

Cindy Sheehan should be our next President. :}

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 9:48am.

John McCain is legendary for his anger management issues as well as his well-earned reputation for impulsive decision making. This would give most rational people pause when considering him for the position of the nation's commander-in-chief.

But if you want specifics, you need look only at McCain's voting record in the Senate. His record regarding veteran's issues is positively appalling. He voted against supplying troops with the supplies and body armor they needed (LINK) and he seems to particularly have a grudge against the National Guard. Maverick McCain was one of the few Republicans who voted to triple fees at Veterans hospitals this year.

That's why it was particularly nauseating to watch John McCain, who'd rather lose his integrity than an election, talk about his "love" for the troops in the first debate. He "loves" the troops the way an abusive husband "loves" his wife...with his fists.


Submitted by jokerman on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 9:58am.

that would lead someone to vote for Obama? We can't tell much from a guy that's been in the Senate

Submitted by jokerman on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 10:00am.

less than two years. And when he's there, he votes "present". He DID however, vote against supplying the troops. So don't tell me what is wrong with McCain. Tell me what is good about O.

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Submitted by diva on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 8:40am.

I kind of think Jeffy was hoping for you to come back and explain exactly what your point is. I have noticed that alot of you Palin types have a tuff time completing a thou------

ght


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Submitted by diva on Wed, 10/01/2008 - 8:44am.

DOTTED LINE:

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sun, 09/28/2008 - 2:07pm.

No one is questioning our military members' bravery or patriotism. The honor of having served and sacrificed belongs to them alone, and is unquestionable. The issue is McCain wants to continue the war in Iraq and Obama wants to end it. As a note, anyone who reads news sources other than those from America knows that the Iraqi people want us out of there ASAP.

"I can't wait until tomorrow, because I get more lovable every day."


Submitted by watson on Thu, 10/09/2008 - 5:19am.

eagerly awating to see who ll be the next

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