Deputies crash home, shoot dog, seeking man already in their jail

Tue, 08/29/2006 - 4:57pm
By: Ben Nelms

Deputies crash home, shoot dog, seeking man already in their jail

It was a case where the officer said he was doing his job, and the homeowner said it was excessive. During the Aug. 21 incident, a 12-year-old dog in its accustomed place on its back porch was shot in the mouth during an attempt by Fayette County Sheriff’s deputies to serve a warrant at a Fayetteville residence on a man already in the Fayette County Jail.

The incident began as Fayette sheriff’s deputies and officers from the Warrant Division arrived shortly after 6 p.m. Aug. 21 at the North Jeff Davis home of Brian and Yvette Tilton to serve a Clayton County warrant on Michael Horton, the brother of Yvette Tilton.

The problem was that Horton was not at the residence. He was in Fayette County Jail, where he had been since Tilton turned him into authorities back in May.

Unaware of the fact that the man they sought was already behind bars at their own jail, deputies went to the front and back doors of the residence in their attempt to locate Horton.

As Deputy Ryan Phillips rounded the back of the house near the steps to the back porch, he said in his statement that he was charged by the Tilton’s large Catahoula, Jasper.

It was then that Phillips shot the dog under the chin. The bullet shattered the dog’s left jaw and teeth and damaged the upper teeth. The animal survived but later had extensive surgery on its jaw.

“Upon my arrival, Sgt. Vickery and D/S Mindar went to the front door as I went toward the back door, due to Mr. Horton’s history of flight and obstruction,” Phillips’ report said.

“As I reached the northeast corner of the residence, I encountered a large canine (later identified as a Catahoula breed) growling and charging me front the back porch of the home,” Phillips said.

“The dog was unsecured by fence or leash. As the dog was approximately six feet from me, I drew my duty weapon and fired one round into the animal. The dog immediately retreated and ran back onto the back porch. I then holstered my weapon and went to check on the animal’s well-being,” the deputy said.

A renter at the residence, Erik Wagner, was present during the incident. Wagner said he overheard two unidentified deputies talking about the shooting after the incident, with one of the deputies saying, “The dog stood up and growled, so I shot him.” That statement differs from Phillip’s statement on the Aug. 21 Supplemental Report.

Though he could not identify the officers by name, Wagner said he spoke with two of the officers after the incident, asking if they carried pepper spray. Wagner said he was told that deputies did carry the spray.

“I asked, ‘Why didn’t you use it?’ but there was no answer,” Wagner said.

Commenting on the incident, Yvette Tilton said Jasper had been seen by a vet and would wear a protective brace for several months. Blood stains were still evident on the back porch, splattered approximately three to eight feet from the back door and approximately six feet from the steps leading down to the northeast side of the house.

Tilton said Jasper had attacked a person only once before, 10 years ago when someone threw rocks through the fence and entered the yard. Today, Jasper will charge at another dog but not at people, she insisted.

Beyond the shooting of her dog, Tilton said she was also concerned by the way her family was treated.

“I’m concerned about cops on my porch with drawn guns. We’ve been nothing but cooperative with the cops both times I turned my brother in for breaking the law,” Tilton said. “We’re law-abiding and we don’t bother anybody. With guns drawn on my porch, it makes me feel like we were treated like a threat to society. It’s just the opposite reason why we moved here. We moved here to have a safe place to live and raise our kids.”

Her brother is still in the Fayette County jail on three charges: theft by receiving, possession of marijuana (less than one ounce) and interfering with police.

The dog, after veterinary treatment, is recovering on his back porch.

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Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:33pm.

Let's reexamine the facts. The suspect was in the Fayette County jail, arrested by these same officers, at the same residence back in May. Are their memories that short? Don't they remember taking him to jail? Didn't they think to see if he was still there? There was a Catahoula dog warning sign on the front porch as evidenced by FOX 5 news, and apparently the sign had been there for at least 3 years. The dog on film, looked like a very sweet, hurt animal, nothing aggressive whatsoever. The officers never knocked on the front door, and the residents first notice was hearing a gunshot. The dog was shot on it's backporch as evidenced by bloodstains reported by the Fayette Citizen (Blood stains were still evident on the back porch, splattered approximately three to eight feet from the back door and approximately six feet from the steps leading down to the northeast side of the house). The officer was exonerated. The dog lived, but will never be the same, and the family won't be either. Should someone be held accountable for this, or do we want more of the same?

Submitted by bobby1378 on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 3:09pm.

Here is the deal. A warrant came across the desk, the officers went to serve the warrant and a huge dog tried to attack an officer; the officer responded by shooting the dog (non lethal shot I might add) and proceeded to serve the warrant. Pepper spray? The police carry MACE for starters. Second that would have done nothing but aggrevate the dog more. The officer responded with what he felt was neccesary force to stop an immediate threat.

Get off your self rightous bunny hugging high horse and think about it. Would you want a monster dog coming at you growling and snarling. What would you do, stick your hand out and try to pet it saying " it's ok. Your a big boy"? You do that and see if you come back with your hand. If that is all you lose you would be lucky.

Submitted by savannah on Mon, 09/04/2006 - 2:55pm.

I think you have reexamined them enough, you don't have to keep posted the same thing over and over..

Are you that ignorant...Do you know how many people they arrest daily??like they will remember this specific convict off the top of their heads..Oh yeah, that's the one we arrested on May 1, at 10:00 am...that is hilarious...you are cracking me up..

Man, are you like a dog whisperer, you can tell by film how sweet and kind the dog will be...that's truly amazing...

I didn't know you were there, and you know they did knock on the door, sounds like you got your information wrong again..

Guess what..wrong info again on your part, the dog was not shot on the backporch...it stated on the news report it was in the backyard, not on the porch...where do you get your facts from????

Yeah, they shouldn't be the same, they left their dog on the backporch with a BEWARE OF DOG sign on their window without a leash and there is a leash law in Fayette County last time I checked.. It had attacked already years before, and guess what looks like it tried again..
So, if you ask me that was not a very responsible dog owner anyway, and THE OWNERS should be the ones held accountable....

Submitted by motherlovesherbs on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 7:44am.

Definition of leash law...
Animal must be constrained. (fence or leash) key word CONSTRAINED!

Should you leash an animal while fenced in as well? That makes such sense...What a life...Lock him in and tie him up. Maybe that's how you treat your pets. Kinda like you treat a criminal. I guess maybe i should put shackles on his feet as well while he's fenced in.

After you lock your doors do you tie up your children? Hmmm...I wonder!

You my animal hater should never own an animal or child.

Submitted by RubyBegonia on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 9:39am.

Sec. 4-30. Restraint of animals--While on property.

(a) It shall be the duty of every owner of any animal to keep the animal under control at all time while the animal is on the property of the owner. For purpose of this section, an animal is deemed under control when it is confined by way of fence or other enclosure, restrained by substantial chain or leash, restrained in some other physical manner by a competent person, or is under the control of a competent person who is present with the animal, via voice command, so that the animal does not wander off the real property of the owner.

(Code 1983, § 7-5; Ord. No. 92-01, § 1, 1-23-92)
Source: Fayette County Website: Animal Control

NOTE: Voice command/control of animal while on property and without physical restraint but in the company of a person.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 09/03/2006 - 9:35pm.

The sad fact is it is Clayton county that dropped the ball. (you know how hard it is for them to keep up with all of their crime)

Clayton county issued a warrant who knows when, because they are such a stellar county. Either they issued the original warrant that he was put in jail for in May or not, but when Fayette county notified them that the suspect was caught their(clayton county) paperwork "black hole" never showed it, or cleared it in the computer. The county that issues the warrant has to clear it, not the county that arrests him. This whole thing would have never happened: No. 1 if he had not broken the law to begin with. No. 2 if clayton county wasn't such a virulent cesspool, they could keep up with basic paperwork.

Go to Proud LEO's blog "what you can do" I asked him some questions that this paper should have been asking before they "ran" with the story.

Between May and Aug this guy would have had plenty of time to get out on bail, and rack up another warrant. Happens all of the time.
So just because the same guys arrested him in May doesn't mean a thing. Why would anyone think he would still be there??

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:40pm.

If you would put part of your hatred for the sheriffs department and apply it to something more useful.....like ....errr...let's say... the child predatator that abused that precious 6 year old girl in Fairburn then perhaps you would be worth listening to.

That damned dog has received more sympathy and compassion than that innocent 6 year old girl. And the girl didn't even threaten anyone. What the hell is wrong with that picture????


Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:01pm.

PPPEEEETTTTAAA that is all I have to say..However; I don't believe she hates the Sherrif she is just a Dog lover..Even the Lion likes dogs come on I know you do..

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:15pm.

But my doggie is not as important as people. Wish my dog would quit nibbling on my toes at this moment.


Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:44pm.

That's such an old trick, and politicians love to use it. You can hold up a 6 yr. old girl to the bloggers, but it won't get away from the insanity of this offense. A 6 yr. old girl abused gets the same outrage from me as this case, it's just a shame that you try to use it as a defense for your fascism.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:47pm.

Just give it up already. Your agenda is that of hating cops and it shows ever so clearly. Who are you anyways? The bitter perp in the jail cell? Or better yet...his mom?


Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:54pm.

I love your intelligent reply. I don't hate cops, I've had many as friends, and they hated power hungry cops as much as I have. Your reply is pathetic, it's like many rednecks I've known that can't speak the english language, so they go into personal attacks that have no merit. Maybe at your next NASCAR race you can pinch your fat redneck girlfriend on her ass, and high-five her. I hope you don't have to look up any of those words in the dictionary, but if you do congratulations on having to finally pick up a book.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:11pm.

All I asked was that you give it a rest and quit repeating yourself over and over and over and over. Bring something new to the table or git off it. You are a single issue poster here and it is obvious what your agenda is. Good grief do you not realize how transparent you are.

Personal attacks. You seem to have let er rip there yourself. Guess you too didn't have an intelligent reply or arguement to retort with. Golly...all you have is your same post over and over and over. Gee...why are you not believeable in regards to all your cop friends.

Nascar...Fat assed girlfriend. Well I much rather prefer museums and beautiful mountain and ocean views to NASCAR. Closest I've ever been to one is getting caught up in the traffic. Hmmmm..might have to try it sometime. Do I have to drink and smoke??? But I better keep my hands to myself lest my skinny assed wife gets wind of the fat assed girlfriend you conjured up for me.

Funny....I do think you place more importance on a dog shot in the mouth after threatening a cop that you do a pervert diddling a 6 year old child. Camera or not.

Signed a NASCAR fat Redneck ass pinching high fiven power hungry cop supporting pathetic redneck. Whew...did I miss anything.

Your turn.


Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:23pm.

I couldn't have said it better myself. You are acknowledged for realization of your own views. I imagine you will be awarded in redneck heaven.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:24pm.

May I please have another?


Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:28pm.

LETS DO IT

Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:26pm.

Lets do another topic the dog is old...No pun intended. Start something off big Lion...Lets tear up Dunn again he is easy to boot around..

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:31pm.

Getting late Fly. Dunn is Done. Dog is old.

Does your name interpret Fly The Cajun? Your not a coon ass are you?


Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:37pm.

No big lion try again another night but I still like you...

Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:55pm.

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Submitted by tsk tsk on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:54pm.

she's the woman holding the dog up to the camera.

You know, that old politician's trick.

Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:57pm.

Well if she held the dog up to the camera, it was after it was shot by a power hungry cop, and then she had to take it to the vet to save it's life.

Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:04pm.

So what is your point we all had that fact. Yea the dog needed to go to the vet to have surgury on his mandible and Temporomandibular joint. AKA TMJ very painfull

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Submitted by deadeye1 on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:19pm.

Google "Georgia Inmate Query" and enter the following id # GDC ID: 0000309663

Id have my gun drawn too...


Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:32pm.

I don't get your point I queried your ID, and all it provided was:
VIOL GA CNTRL SBST ACT, that certainly doesn't imply a dangerous individual, and you would probably be guilty as well if chewing tobacco, and budweiser were considered. If you're trying to denigrate an addict well they don't get proper treatment in jail, and recidivism would be reduced if there were state treatment centers. There was nothing in that record about being a flight risk, or ever being armed.

Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:54pm.

There is no doubt he is a looser anyone who wants you to know he was in jail is probably a looser crack user who wants you to believe he is BAD TO THE BONE but NOT... CAPITAL LLL FOR LOSER...Ask him what gender he likes that will give you a CLUE...

Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 8:02pm.

Let's reexamine the facts. The suspect was in the Fayette County jail, arrested by these same officers, at the same residence back in May. Are their memories that short? Don't they remember taking him to jail? Didn't they think to see if he was still there? There was a Catahoula dog warning sign on the front porch as evidenced by FOX 5 news, and apparently the sign had been there for at least 3 years. The dog on film, looked like a very sweet, hurt animal, nothing aggressive whatsoever. The officers never knocked on the front door, and the residents first notice was hearing a gunshot. The dog was shot on it's backporch as evidenced by bloodstains reported by the Fayette Citizen (Blood stains were still evident on the back porch, splattered approximately three to eight feet from the back door and approximately six feet from the steps leading down to the northeast side of the house). The officer was exonerated. The dog lived, but will never be the same, and the family won't be either. Should someone be held accountable for this, or do we want more of the same?

Submitted by bama girl on Sun, 09/03/2006 - 7:50pm.

Let's reexmine the facts... find a new starting line. It is getting OLD. It seems to me you only know the facts that YOU believe.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:18pm.

Give it up already. The dog issue is worn out. Unless something new comes along your just repeating the same ole arguement. Your facts could be easily challenged....so let's move on until some relevant facts come to light.


Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:20pm.

Quite defensive aren't you?

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:26pm.

No just tired. Bring something new to the table.


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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 3:13pm.

"cur"tailed.


Submitted by Julian on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 12:21pm.

-You have a warning sign on your house. That means you know the dog is dangerous. Why then is the dog left unsecured in the back? I'm just glad it didn't attack a child at play.

-Knowing that this was a dangerous dog (as proven by the sign), how am I to know that the lady didn't see the cops coming and purposely let the dog out to cause problems?

-How many drug dealers has this cop helped get off our streets? Drunk drivers stopped? Attempted burglaries stopped? Wanted criminals captured? I would imagine he's done a lot of good for us citizens. Thank you officer(s)!!!!!

-What if the convict was in the Coweta County jail, not Fayette. The officers still wouldn't have known he was there. Are they supposed to contact all jails in the country to make sure a criminal is not there before serving a warrant?

Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:15pm.

So you say a generic sign is proof the dog is dangerous, give me and the mut a break...So you take to the heart every generic sign you read..You must be an idiot.

Yes we can thank you officer for past work but he still made a mistake should he be persacuted, no not but take some responsiblity as the Sheriff should also?

As far as knowing he is in Jail in another County not an excuse they have ID and SS numbers, finger prints they should of known. Now go to sleep before someone swears a warrant out for you...

Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 7:49pm.

-You have a warning sign on your house. That means you know the dog is dangerous.
-Knowing that this was a dangerous dog (as proven by the sign), how am I to know that the lady didn't see the cops coming and purposely let the dog out to cause problems?

These statements are just plain ignorant and predisposed. Most people post signs like that to deter crime. If I had a harmless poodle, or a guinea pig, or only ants, I would most likely post a warning pit bull sign. Having a sign like that does not mean you have a dangerous dog, it's just like people who post security warning systems signs on their front window, when they have no security system whatsoever. In this case, it is a shame that the crime wasn't deterred, and it was committed by the police, who are supposed to protect us. The first sign these people had was hearing a gunshot. I know this lady did not let her dog out purposely, with the potential of it's being killed, and I'm sure she didn't enjoy paying her vet bills. Should there not have been a knock on the front door first? The simple truth is there are good police, and then there are others who abuse their power, and expect carte blanche. I myself would like to see abuses of power in all government held accountable. Thank God there wasn't an elderly grandparent with a double guage shotgun inspecting noises they heard outside their backporch. Was it a mistake? Well, some mistakes require apologies.

Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:16pm.

Thank you for your intuition....

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 4:26pm.

Read the reply I got from Proud LEO. It is in his blog "what you can do"
He answered some good questions about how this could have happened. It explains how this could have happened. Those officers may have delivered this guy to jail in May, but they had no idea he was still there. The county that issued the warrant never cleared the warrant after the susupect was in jail. They had no idea. He could have posted bond or bail, and been out on the street by Aug. and racked up a new warrant.
These are questions that the reporter of this article and Cal Beverly should have been asking. Instead they were slanted against the Sheriffs Dept.

Right now our Sheriff's Dept. is the only thing standing between us and that virulent cesspool clayton county.

Submitted by anothermother on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 7:52pm.

I've been to this house. I live out of town and this dog does not know me. He might see me once or twice a year. Yet I have approached him and rubbed his big ole head, after he barked and scared the crap outta me. He does have a loud scarry bark, but has never attempted to bite me. I usually back law enforcement 100%, but I know this family and this was wrong. Pay the vet bill??? They better hope they get off that cheap.

Submitted by Julian on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 12:23pm.

Awww, that's a sweet story.

"I live out of town and this dog does not know me"

"He might see me once or twice a year."

-Well, which is it? Does he know you or not? Dogs have good memories and can recognize scents. Seeing you twice a year is plenty for this dog to get to know you.

Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:21pm.

You are a curel person Julian!!

Submitted by Flydecajon on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 10:20pm.

I did not know you knew the memory of a Dog must be like yours..

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 6:34pm.

A dog outside one's house, unchained, may get killed. Even if he is on or off the porch, he is loose, and not under control. It is a chance you take. Currently, police with a warrant have a right to enter upon your property. I'm afraid now it has been ruled by the right wing judges that cops don't even have to yell or knock before entering if they are afraid. It will get worse than this for human rights, if our goverment keeps on trying to scare the hell out of us every day, because they can't handle a bunch of dopes who are religious nuts of one kind or another. We are trying hard to say that common joe muslim and common joe christian hate each other. They happen to have the oil.

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 6:41pm.

And we have the food. Food that we keep sending to them. You can't grow fruits and vegetables in the desert.

We both have something the other guy wants. If we weren't feeding them they would starve. Would that really, really be so bad?

Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:17pm.

Actually farmland in this country is disappearing, despite Willie Nelson and FarmAid. It's disappearing due to rampant overdevelopment, and no support for our farmers. Of course, most of farmed foods these days come from Mexico, where workers are paid pennies, and we import it all. The oil rich nations wouldn't starve without us, they'd simply import it as well. We've become good buddies with oil rich nations, like Saudi Arabia, where the majority of the Sept. 11th terrorists came from, and the other nations that have the majority of the oil, like Iraq, and Iran, well we see where that is heading, there's no diplomacy, and it's getting very dangerous. Rednecks with guns aren't gonna get us cheaper prices at the pumps.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 12:41pm.

Isn't it obvious that a new policy needs to be put into place. The cop gets to shoot after and only after the first bite. But you've got to make sure the bite qualifies as a real bite and not a nip or tease bite.


Submitted by karmictruth on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 5:31pm.

Let's reexamine the facts. The suspect was in the Fayette County jail, arrested by these same officers, at the same residence back in May. Are their memories that short? Don't they remember taking him to jail? Didn't they think to see if he was still there? There was a Catahoula dog warning sign on the front porch as evidenced by FOX 5 news last night, and apparently the sign had been there for at least 3 years. The officers never knocked on the front door, and the residents first notice was hearing a gunshot. The dog was shot on it's backporch as evidenced by bloodstains reported by the Fayette Citizen. The officer was exonerated. The dog lived, but will never be the same, and the family won't be either. Should someone be held accountable for this, or do we want more of the same?

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 4:30pm.

He could have easily posted bond/bail and been out between May and Aug. and racked up a new warrant in the meantime.

Since the county that issued the warrant screwed up and didn't clear the warrant, they had no choice but to follow orders.

Read Proud LEO's blog: "What you can do" he answers alot of good questions.

Submitted by Julian on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 12:08pm.

"The suspect was in the Fayette County jail, arrested by these same officers"
-Umm, no? You really think the same deputies forget that they arrested this guy in the past?

"There was a Catahoula dog warning sign on the front porch as evidenced by FOX 5"
-Good point. So if this establishes that this is a dangerous dog, why was he left unchained on the back porch?

"The dog was shot on it's backporch as evidenced by bloodstains reported by the Fayette Citizen"
-Hmm, the FC did an official crime scene analysis to determine this? I'm not so sure.

"do we want more of the same?"
-More of the same what? Cops shooting dogs who are charging toward them? I'd say ... yes. Better to charge an armed cop than an innocent child.

Submitted by RightwingRepubl... on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:22pm.

We all know that now we as Republicans win all contests, and the police should feel fine. It was only a dog, and it was lucky it lived. Remember to go vote, I support the police in everything they do. Those homeowners should be grateful they aren't in jail. I'm glad that those of us who support our patriotism are backed up by our government now. These people sound like liberals, and they deserve everything they get. Maybe next time they'll learn to pray to God that they'll change their ways. I'm sick of liberals, treehuggers, and animal rights people. It was just a damn dog, big deal.

Submitted by book worm on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 4:22pm.

So, if liberals are so bad then I guess we should get rid of womens rights, turn blacks into slaves AGAIN, and do away with all of the other parts of society that liberals have fought to have changed for the betterment of society. Its thanks to ultra conservative neo nazis like you that this country is going to hell. Thanks but no thanks, give me liberty of give me death.

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Submitted by ArmyMAJretired on Wed, 09/06/2006 - 8:35pm.

History is a wonderful thing. You should study it.

FACT: 19th Ammendment On May 21, 1919, the House of Representatives passed the amendment by a vote of 304 to 89, and 2 weeks later on June 4, the Senate finally followed, where the amendment passed 56 to 25. Do you think every Republican voted against it?

FACT: Republican President Lincoln fought the Civil War freeing the slaves, now remind me what party was in power in the south during salvery? The Civil Rights act would not have passed without Republican support because Southern DEMOCRATS like KKK Robert Byrd voted against it.

Don't hurt your hand patting yourself on the back about hot great liberals are. When you call your opponent a neo-nazi because you disagree with their opinions, you show which party is the party of HATE!


Submitted by karmictruth on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 7:57pm.

See it's these kind of attitudes that make these situations happen. I am an extremely patriotic person, yet I find these situations, and comments by the above writer completely wrong. My job as a patriot is to question my government in all of it's doings. If it's liberal to care for animals, that usually show only unconditional love, then I'm proud of that label.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 9:15pm.

Don't pay that RightWing pretending character a second look. That was a phony doing a very poor job of mocking a Conservative.


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:34pm.

I have known that God was a republican (right winger-though) for many, many years. His son did somewhat better here on earth and may have been trying to make up for past problems (The Flood, the slaughters, all of those wives of Solomon, all of those live sacrifices, Soddom, Gomorrah, and of course the Jews. I also don't think George can do any wrong, nor has he ever. Donald Rumsfeld is a meek christian who could have used "the bomb" long ago, but he hasn't. Newt, and that guy from Texas--can't think of his name--who had to resign, the wardens at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, and their bosses, and of course all of those informed people in the world who think that 144,000 Christians are going to heaven and that 6.7 BILLION others are going to burn a long time. I don't know how you could be any more right!

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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 3:09pm.

The 144,000 are Jews who will lead the final battle. The Christians will have already been Raptured by the time the 144,000 are selected. Also in heaven by this time are those saved after the Rapture during the great tribulation. See Revelations 7, verse 9: "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands." These are the Christians and they are already in heaven by this time, standing before the throne of God.


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Sat, 09/02/2006 - 6:09pm.

Only 144K will go to "Heaven." the rest will have to stay here in a lesser place. I suppose the billions of dead will arise, since they won't be "there." I'm glad that I don't need every detail specified, by some group or the other, to feel as if I am worthy of eternal peace. Frankly, I choose not to choose between them, I'm not smart enough. If I was, you would know it due my halo. The old communists may have had something with that bit about organized religion being the opiate of the masses. I don't think however that you are talking about this 144,000!

Submitted by bladderq on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 7:42pm.

Republicans are grateful for hang'n Chad & that Sec of State in FLA they've hung out to dry or wipe the make-up off

Submitted by RightwingRepubl... on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:44pm.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:33pm.

This sounds like you’re just waiting for someone to jump on this.

Sorry, I’m careful about what I eat.


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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:56pm.

Something kooky was emerging over the horizon. Problem is it ain't even funny.


Submitted by RightwingRepubl... on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:59pm.

What is kooky? I think peoples see what this is for what it is.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 7:05pm.

Or whatever you said??? Yes they see it as kooky. Highgreen...is that you in there ole buddy?


Submitted by did not know on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 5:49pm.

When they pull you over..No Excuses! But when they do something this outlandish, we are suppose to over look it and go, oh well, its just a dog. The law here is just a bunch of bullies that we are suppose to excuse. BS! Can anyone tell me once they have ever pulled you over for anything they haven't written you a handfull of tickets, to make money for the towns or county? I went to court in Peachtree city once, and it was all I could do not to laugh! I couldn't believe the BS charges they tacked on to the most mundane things. And they want everyone to just forget it cause it was them? I don't think so! I pay taxes, but not to be trampled on!

Submitted by Proud LEO on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:35pm.

What do you expect when you get pulled over? It blows my mind when a motorist gets mad at me for writing them a ticket. Why else would I risk getting hit on the side of the road or worse? It is rare in ANY city/town/county in the COUNTRY to get pulled over and receive a warning. I've had my share of tickets in my lifetime!

If you don't want to get pulled over, OBEY THE LAW! It really isn't that hard!

So I guess you want all of the officers in this county to only pull over out of county tags right? What a can of worms that would be!

How about this, we cans stop writing tickets all together. Accidents with fatalities and injuries would sky rocket, you wouldn't be able to enjoy a quiet dinner at home because of kids driving down the street with loud music blaring and loud exhaust, and more families would die in DUI related crashes, etc. etc. Of course, we would also have to raise your taxes to pay our salaries and to buy equipment etc.

That sounds like a marvelous idea! Are you planning to run for Sheriff when Randall retires? I bet you'd get a lot of votes!

Submitted by did not know on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 6:45am.

The most outragous charges I heard when I went to court in Peachtree city was this unforgetable one. A woman was charged about 1230am with
1. Soliciting - which most of us would think of as loitering in a public places for the purpose of prostitution

2. Child endagerment

3. reckless driving

What had the woman done? This was funnier than h#ll! The poor woman explained she was a realestate agent. The policeman had chased someone else into the subdivision n lost them. He then came back n got her. It seems it was 4 July weekend and she was in her golf cart with her 18 year old son. She was driving from house to house and her son would jump off n put a small 4 July flag in each yard with her logo on it. (solictation) The child endagerment was from the kid getting out n putting the flags in the yard and the reckless driving? On a golf cart? Oh well, the judge made all those charges STICK and the woman now has a record for solictation n child endangerment. She was fined around $1000.00 if memory serves. I felt like the judge n police were on acid. But that was only one of many cases I heard that day that kept me n friends talking for days. It was such a joke n why people put up with it I don't know!

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 8:23am.

Sounds like another "Ruthie" to me. Was it the Chief, the Major, the Captain, or Brown? Who is Brown, anyway? Maybe that golf cart was going from side to side?

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 9:11pm.

I had a clean driving record before I moved to Fayettenam, but I shouldn't have.
Keep giving tickets it will keep all of us safer. I know I will kick myself for writing this the next time I get pulled over.
I had received plenty of warnings from thie time I got my license until I was about 24. Then I had a bad accident, totaled my car, and as the state patrol officer(that I almost hit) pointed out, was almost decapitated. It's a good thing he breaked as hard as he did, it could have been much worse.
It was all because I was speeding.
My point is no matter how much people bi$%# here keep giving them tickets.....so they can live to bi#$h some more tomorrow.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 8:57pm.

This is for Proud LEO or any other cop.
My understanding is that a judge issues bench warrants. True or not? When you start your shift how are the assignments handed out of who has to serve the warrants?
How is the judge or court system notified when this person is caught? What if this individual has more than one bench warrant out for him in different counties? Which apparently this guy did. Are some counties(like Clayton) that are overwhelmed with crime slower to complete the necesary paperwork?
I'm just trying to understand how this paperwork got screwed up, and why these officers were put in that position to begin with?

Sheriff Randall can we issue your officers pepper spray so this doesn't happen again? I know it is just one more thing, but maybe some of them would use it in cases like this instead of their guns. I know some of your SWAT team guys have been bit before when serving warrants. Maybe carrying the pepper spray could be win win for everyone.

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 7:20am.

Pepper spray? Pepper Spray? Why not a fire extinguisher too? Cops carry so much now that they can't run. Like some of our soldiers who carry about 100# into battle: reminds me of a young colt trying to carry Fat Albert! A good whack with a billy club, if necessary, would likely do the job.

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 7:33am.

I have a friend who is on the SWAT team and he handed me his duty belt so I could see how heavy it is.
It is at least five pounds. It was very heavy and his back hurts alot because of it.

I'm sure there will be much eye rolling when all of our officers read that one.

I was just trying to think of a way to deter people and dogs that are not armed, without using a gun.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 5:56pm.

You cop hatin bed wetters! You have about as much credibility as our racist Ruthie.

I'd bet that if you were in Tocoma today you would have participated in beating that National Guardsmen.


Submitted by did not know on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:12pm.

don't have a life.!.you are always on here finding fault with anyone who has a different view!. They shot the dog in its' own back yard for God's sake! It your cockeyed ideas everyone is suppose to keep the family pet on ball and chain "just in case Rambo comes calling!" Git Real!

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:21pm.

If you had paid attention for any length of time you would know that the reason I'm on here all the time is because Cal pays me to be. I am the Blog Police. One swift whisk with my paw and your bye bye from here. I've been pretty patient with you to date. So don't push it.

And as for the family pet on a ball and chain. If you're not responsible enough to have a pet with fenced yard then you do not deserve to have a pet at all. It is shameless to tie a dog on a chain. But I would rather have my neighbors dog on a chain rather than crapping in my yard and intimidating my family.


Submitted by did not know on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:29pm.

for ANYTHING it is a waste of money!

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 6:31pm.

You love me and you know it.


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Submitted by muddle on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 1:42pm.

Just an aside: My 5-yr-old grandson just looked over my shoulder and saw the pic of the shaved cat. He literally *fell down* laughing.


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 1:52pm.

I hope you straightened the young man out and explained to him that what he was looking at was a 350 pound Lion in all his splendor. Plus you should instruct him to never try to make a common house cat look like a lion. That ain't right.


Submitted by jerimabry on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 10:46am.

Just goes to show that Fayette County is really screwed up since they can not even keep track of who is in their jail. That cop at the jail needs to keep her paperwork on her inmates straight so this does not happen to some other law abiding family. I agree that the dumb officer that shot the dog should have his freakin jaw shattered.(that is putting it in a nice way too). I hate cops that think they are so powerful and can get away with anything and everything. Well let me tell you something, you are no better than myself or any other citizen in this county.

Submitted by bladderq on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 7:48pm.

Maybe some money could have been better spent elsewhere. Remember this equipment comes w/ other cost. COPter 0, Perps 4

Submitted by Julian on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 2:41pm.

"I agree that the dumb officer that shot the dog should have his freakin jaw shattered"
-The officer is dumb? Really? I didn't know you knew him personally enough to come to this conclusion.

"I hate cops"
-That's obvious in your comments. When someone breaks into your home at night and threatens your family, I'm sure you won't be calling the "dumb" cops.

"think they are so powerful and can get away with anything and everything"
-Yeah, no kidding! Imagine that dumb officer thinking he can get away with shooting a huge dog that is charging towards him ready to attack. Sheesh. Memo to officer: Next time use the Cesar Millan method and simply let out a loud "SHHHHHHH" while pointing at the dog.

"Well let me tell you something, you are no better than myself or any other citizen in this county."
-HA!! You were apparently picked on a little too much in school.

Yeah, they are no better than anyone. But they put their LIVES on the line EVERY DAY! For LESS money than they could make in the private sector. And they put their lives on the line for YOU. YOU, the people who are jumping to conclusions that the officer(s) are raging lunatics that do nothing but go around shooting dogs!!!

You people kill me. You act like the officer walked up, heard a dog growl and shot it. Get real!!!

Submitted by jerimabry on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 3:13pm.

I can tell you this, if someone comes in my house at night they are going to die. I was not picked on in school for your information.

Yes I agree they do put their lives on the line and I can respect that but you have to agree that they chose that career and you also have to agree that there are those that are corrupt and crooked.

The officer did walk out on the porch and heard the dog growl and shot it.

Submitted by Julian on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 4:07pm.

"but you have to agree that they chose that career"
-Yeah and maybe they did so because they wanted to help people, like you. There's nothing wrong with that. Using your logic, if some insane criminal shoots the deputy, then we should all blame the deputy because he "chose that career."

"you also have to agree that there are those that are corrupt and crooked. "
-Agreed, but don't suggest that this deputy is either of these.

"The officer did walk out on the porch and heard the dog growl and shot it."
-Wrong. Don't always assume that what you hear on TV and the Internet are true. Remember, they're in the business of making money, so they'll twist the facts. You've heard from the resident on this. Have you heard the deputy's official comments? What about history of the deputy? Does he have a history of shooting dogs for the fun of it? How many homes has he been to with dogs and had no conflict? These are important facts to know before passing judgement on someone and calling them "dumb".

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Submitted by cowtipn on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 10:01am.

That deputy should have his jaw shattered. It just shows you that our local law enforcers can get away with anything. I wonder if he will face any disciplinary action. He should not have been there in the first place. If it were a human, that person would have the right to defend himself and his property. This guy's an idiot. Just remember, karma's a bi***!


Submitted by Julian on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 2:50pm.

"He should not have been there in the first place."
-Exactly. Had the guy they were after been a law-abiding citizen and not have warrants out for his arrest, then they wouldn't have been there.

"If it were a human, that person would have the right to defend himself and his property."
-If it were a human, and he came running out toward the officer with a weapon, then I would hope the officer would do the same thing and shoot him. It was a dog though. And the dog is STILL ALIVE. Kudos to the deputy for good marksmanship and not killing the dog.

"That deputy should have his jaw shattered."
"This guy's an idiot."
-Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone ... Remember that while your out tipping over poor innocent cows, cowtipn!

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 08/31/2006 - 3:33pm.

Sorry folks. I know I'll get a thrashin over that one. Fact of the matter is a mistake was made in sending those deputies out there in the first place. Second mistake was that there was a huge dog with an attitude that wasn't on leash. That's the homeowners fault. If I were Deputy Phillips and my job was to go around to the back of that house and make sure the perp didn't get away and that dog assumed the attack position and came toward me I would have pulled my weapon also. I'm sure that monster scared the poopy out of that deputy and he had to make a split moment decision.

My question is why don't our deputies don't carry pepper spray? I'm sure that if that dog would have been sitting there looking perty with a bone in his mouth and grin on his face there wouldn't have been teeth splattered all over the back porch of that home.


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Submitted by muddle on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 1:09pm.

Hi, Git Real.

Do any of us really know what the circumstances were?

If the officer's report is truthful, so that he was in danger of attack by a very large dog, then I might conCUR ("CUR" git it?). But if the witness is to be believed, the dog mounted little more than a "protest" to an intruder. My own son was involved in a run-in with a small town cop who mishandled everything so that a routine traffic stop turned into an arrest for obstruction. The officer falsified his report--as proved in court--and even managed to have the video from the cruiser disappear. Thankfully, the little $hit was fired for what he did and all charges were dropped against my son. So, as I posted before, I'm just not sure what to believe.

Also, I had a shepherd-collie mix who lived to be 15. She was so trustworthy about staying in the yard that we never tied or fenced her when she was outside--even when we lived on the Main Street of a small town. If this dog was anything like her, then I can well imagine how the owner would see fit to let it out on the porch without any restraint.

My dad was a career cop, and I knew all of his cop buddies when I was growing up. Most of these guys were hardworking, courageous protectors of our civil liberties. Others were complete jerks who misused the authority that their badge gave them. Sadly, for some of that time, my dad was included in this--a racist South Florida cop during the height of the Civil rights movement. He repented of this later. (I have lots of stories.)

I want to support our police. Their job is indispensable, and one of the most important in our society. They should be compensated handsomely for what they do, and we should let them know that we are behind them.

But there are two attitudes that I think are indefensible: (a) Cops can do no wrong, and (b) Cops can do nothing right.

This unfortunate story with the dog *sounds* to me as though the deputy "jumped the gun" (another pun--heh). But I remain open to correction.


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 1:49pm.

Muddle... Is That You? Hey man. I know you're a surfer dude but I figured you to be a balding one. I'm jealous.

But there are two attitudes that I think are indefensible: (a) Cops can do no wrong, and (b) Cops can do nothing right.

I agree whole heartedly. My thought would be that a bad cop is the equivalent of a child molester. Both abuse their authority upon the innocents. I do not think however that Deputy Phillips is a bad cop by any stretch. Bet he wishes he had a mulligan left in his clip after that unfortunate circumstance. And like I said before I'd bet he'd like to get his hands around someones neck that was responsible for placing that warrant in his hands. Again I don't understand why he wasn't allowed to carry some sort of dog repellent or pepper spray. I still say that if I was in his shoes I would probably have crapped my pants and blasted that pooch. Gotta commend him for only firing one round.

This unfortunate story with the dog *sounds* to me as though the deputy "jumped the gun" (another pun--heh). But I remain open to correction.

The dog jumped the cop and the cop jumped the gun. Yeah...I hear ya. But I wasn't there and I'd bet that deputy's plan was not to blast the pooch. Can you imagine the nightmare these guys must go through in paperwork and butt chewings in a situation like this? Plus how would you like to go in the locker room at the SO and catch the ribbing and ridicule from your team mates.

I don't have all the answers Muddle. I just get tired of all the cop bashing that has taken place here. I'm waiting for a couple of em to start referring to the officers as pigs.

Also I understand the bad cop with an attitude issue. I'd tell my story but in all honesty I had it coming and I've worked real hard to never place my self in a situation like that. Yup I'm too embarassed to confess here but I would say that he really didn't have to get that ugly with me. But that's what I get for being an idiot a getting the attention of the wrong guy.


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Submitted by muddle on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:28pm.

Thanks for the reply.

Uh...the pic doesn't show the *back* of my head.

We are agreed that "cop bashing" is simply indefensible. These guys, by-and-large, are out there protecting us. But for their vigilence, the bad guys would be much bolder than they are.

I think the ultimate moral of any such stories is that our community needs to throw its full support behind our law enforcement officers AND expect the very best from them. This entails, I think, that any "bad cops" should be filtered out.

Several distinguishable issues are involved here:

First, in the case of a *valid* warrant, the deputies have a right to enter private property and to do whatever is reasonably necessary to execute that warrant. Our right to privacy is conditioned by our compliance with the law.

But, the deputies should not have been there in the first place though, arguably, the misinformation was not their fault.

What remains is to assess their "professionalism" given the (bad) information that they had. (Kind of like Bush and intelligence on WMDs?)

So, given the misinformation that they were apparently handed, what behavior should we reasonably expect from them on their arrival? This depends, in part, on the nature of the perpetrator's crime and general history. Did they reasonably expect him to be armed and dangerous? And did they have good reason to expect that he was there? If the answer to both is yes, then the "guns drawn" approach seems justified.

When Officer Phillips encountered the dog, was its behavior aggressive so as to pose an imminent threat? I can certainly see how, if you have a loaded gun in your hand, and you are about to be attacked by a dog the size of a mountain lion, your first instinct may be to fire the gun (as opposed to reaching for a non-lethal weapon in your Batbelt). He says the dog was ready to attack. But my limited access to the evidence suggests that the dog never made it off the porch. And the dog apparently never came in contact with the deputy. Is it reasonable for us to believe that he did not have the time or opportunity to reach for pepper spray (or similar)?

I have no conclusive case (because, when all is said and done, I am just another armchair commentator), but the account seems to me to square more with the witness's account.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 2:57pm.

For the most part I agree with what you've said. Side note...have you ever tried some of that black paint they sell for those shiny spots on the back of ones head?

Is it reasonable for us to believe that he did not have the time or opportunity to reach for pepper spray (or similar)?

My understanding is that the deputies do not carry pepper spray. I don't know if that's a choice they make or a equipment requirement they are mandated to follow. My armchair quarterbacking causes me to wonder why. On the other hand I do not know how close the deputy was to the pooch when it jumped up and yelled. It might have been a pretty quick action between the two and the deputy was the faster draw.

I have no conclusive case (because, when all is said and done, I am just another armchair commentator), but the account seems to me to square more with the witness's account.

Where was the witness. Did he see the gunfight? Who drew first? The witness overheard a conversation or part of a conversation. Who knows? Could this guy be a nosy neighbor hearing bits and pieces from a distance and fabricating his own version? I don't know. I'm sure the deputies were real interested in getting this eavesdropper directly involved in their conversation. Again, I don't know. But neither does anyone else.


Submitted by jerimabry on Fri, 09/01/2006 - 12:09pm.

You stated: "Second mistake was that there was a huge dog with an attitude that wasn't on leash. That's the homeowners fault." You are so wrong to say that was the homeowners fault, The dog was on his porch in his own yard not bothering anyone, you make it sound as if this dog was running around terrorizing the neighborhood. Your deputy came up on him so it is the deputy's fault!
You stated: "If I were Deputy Phillips and my job was to go around to the back of that house and make sure the perp didn't get away" Well that deputy should of made sure the perp was not already in his jail before he went busting in there.
You stated: "there wouldn't have been teeth splattered all over the back porch of that home." That was a very rude way of saying that and very disrespectful to the family.

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