Anyone for terrorist profiling?

Tue, 08/22/2006 - 5:08pm
By: The Citizen

By MARK ALEXANDER

To ensure we Americans never offend anyone — particularly fanatics intent on killing us — law enforcement and security screeners are not allowed to “profile” people in public places or security checkpoints.

However, they will continue to perform random searches of 80-year-old women, little kids, airline pilots with proper identification, Secret Service agents who are members of the President’s security detail, 85-year-old congressmen with metal hips and even Medal of Honor recipients. But targeting Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40 constitutes “ethnic profiling.”

Let’s pause a moment and review....

• In 1968 Bobby Kennedy was shot and killed by: (a) A salesman from Utah (b) An construction worker (c) A college student on Spring Break (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 1972, 11 Israeli athletes were killed at the Munich Olympics by: (a) Your grandmother (b) A Midwest auto-parts dealer (c) A mom and her 6-year-old son visiting from Indiana (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 1979, the U.S. embassy in Iran was taken over by: (a) A bluegrass band (b) Dallas Cowboy fans (c) A tour group of 80-year-old women (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• During the 1980s numerous Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by: (a) A family on their way to Disney World (b) Jesse Ventura (c) A Boy Scout Troop (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 1983, the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by: (a) A pizza delivery boy (b) The UPS guy (c) Geraldo Rivera making up for a slow news day (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 1985 the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70-year-old disabled American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard by: (a) A girls’ choir (b) A hardware store owner (c) A secretary (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 1985 TWA flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a U.S. Navy diver was murdered by: (a) A Marine officer with two weeks leave (b) A plumber going to visit his mom (c) A Catholic nun (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by: (a) A college-bound freshman (b) A cardiac surgeon on his way to Houston (c) A waitress (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed by: (a) A starving actress (b) A mom with a newborn (c) Twin 6-year-old boys (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 1995, a plot to blow up U.S.-bound international flights over the Pacific was attempted by (a) Hawaiian school kids (b) An decorated Vietnam Veteran (c) Twin sisters on their way to Paducah (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 1998, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by: (a) A local TV weatherman (b) A dad and his two sons on a ski trip (c) A widower going to visit his grandchildren (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2000, 17 sailors died in an attack on the USS Cole (DDG 67) in Yemen by: (a) A child in a stroller (b) A high school class on their way to visit Washington, DC (c) Newlyweds on their way to Miami (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• On 9/11/01, four airliners were hijacked — two flown into the World Trade Centers, one into the Pentagon and one into the ground in rural Pennsylvania. They were hijacked by: (a) A retired police officer on a mission trip to Haiti (b) A firefighter going to Maryland for training (c) An paramedic on his way to vacation in Hawaii (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2002 the United States liberated Afghanistan from: (a) USAID relief workers (b) Jewish Pilgrims (c) Christian missionaries (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2002 reporter Daniel Pearl and other Westerners were kidnapped and beheaded by: (a) The Peace Corp (b) Scottish clansmen (c) Cuban refugees (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2002, more than 330 hostages in Beslan and 130 hostages in Moscow were murdered in sieges by: (a) Russian exchange students (b) The Red Guard (c) Church planters (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2003 the United States liberated Iraq from “The Butcher of Baghdad,” but most American military personnel were killed by: (a) Iraqi school-girls (b) Street vegetable venders (c) Women without burkas (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2004, more than 200 Spanish civilians were murdered on trains by bombs in Madrid, detonated by: (a) Morning commuters (b) A 3-year-old Chinese girl (c) Flamenco dancers (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2005 more than 50 UK citizens were killed by bombs on trains in London, detonated by: (a) Rail workers (b) Those unable to hail taxis (c) Wheelchair-bound grandmothers (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2005, there were hundreds of casualties, men, women and children, killed by bombs in Jerusalem, Riyadh and Amman. These innocent civilians were murdered by: (a) Construction workers (b) Farmers (c) Christian missionaries (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2005, the city of Paris, and other European cities experienced an extended period of riots and destruction. The unrest was led by: (a) “Youth” (b) Soccer fans (c) Catholic nuns (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• Since the beginning of Operation Iraqi Freedom, more than 2,500 Americans have been murdered by terrorists. 35,000 Iraqi men, women and children have also been murdered by terrorists. Most of the combat and civilians casualties were the result of bombs detonated in civilian population centers by: (a) Fruit vendors in Baghdad (b) Disgruntled transit union workers (c) Iraqi schoolteachers (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2006, hundreds of Israeli civilians have been killed by rockets launched by: (a) the Salvation Army (b) remnants of the “Jackson Five” (c) the cast of “Friends” (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• In 2006, a plot to blow up 10 U.S.-bound planes from the U.K. was attempted by (a) members of the royal family (b) Japanese tourists (c) groupies of the band Cream (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

• Since 2001, the FBI reports that there are major terrorist cells still in U.S. urban centers. Several of these cells have been uncovered and cell members arrested. In every case, the terrorists cell members were: (a) Southern Baptists Conventioneers (b) Lutheran Youth Groups (c) Presbyterian Elders (d) Middle Eastern Islamist males between the ages of 17 and 40.

President George Bush said last week, “America is at war with Islamic fascists who will use any means to destroy those of us who love freedom, to hurt our nation.” The Council on American-Islamic Relations issued an immediate objection to the President’s reference to “Islamic fascists.”

Nihad Awad, executive director of CAIR, protested, “We have to isolate these individuals because there is nothing in the Koran or the Islamic faith that encourages people to be cruel or to be vicious or to be criminal. Muslims world wide know that for sure.” In light of this objection, we are left to ponder why every Islamic leader in the U.S., and the world, does not publicly condemn every terror action being undertaken in the name of the god of Islam. Their silence is deafening....

Between 1970 and present, there were more than 60 other notable examples of terrorism perpetrated by Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40, but we think you get the point. Singling out “Middle Eastern male Islamists between the ages 17 and 40” is not “ethnic profiling,” it’s “terrorist profiling” — acting on prolific evidence.

Anyone for terrorist profiling?

Mark Alexander is publisher of The Patriot Post, the most widely read conservative e-journal on the Internet (http://PatriotPost.US/subscribe/atp).

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Submitted by Xaymaca on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 3:10pm.

How the heck do you leave OK off this list. Oh, it didn't fit neatly into your diatribe which seems to imply that Joe America can't be a terrorists. Timmy Mcvie, the Unibomber and that "American Taliban" fool were all "average looking" Americans.


Submitted by thebeaver on Sat, 09/23/2006 - 9:31am.

Hugo Chavez, the Venuzuelan dictator, called our President "the devil" in a speech on American soil. Remember that the next time you go to fill up your vehicle, and remember that CITGO is owned by Venuzuela, and controlled by Chavez.

Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 5:07pm.

If the shoe fits................!

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 8:16pm.

Get a grip now ole buddy.


Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 9:51pm.

Just know a devil when I see him. He is easy to spot......no friends. Except sociopathic big buisness guys. Oh wait some of them went to prison this past week.

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Submitted by Git Real on Mon, 10/02/2006 - 8:12am.

??????????????????????????????


Submitted by Hardtack on Sat, 09/23/2006 - 11:02am.

We get 1/3 of all our oil supply from Venuzuela. Chavez knows that and so does Mr. Bush. I don't think Mr. Bush has called Chavez a diablo, but he has called him many things. None good. Just politics.

Submitted by thebeaver on Sat, 09/23/2006 - 5:05pm.

Oh really? And did the President call him these names on Venuzuelan soil, in front of world leaders from all other countries?
If so, please provide a link to the exact quote, including date, time, and location.

Nice try to give moral equivelancy to a thug dictator.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 5:50pm.

Question:

Is the UN on US soil?

I can't remember.


Submitted by blabbermouth on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 6:31pm.

United States of America
Permanent Representative of the United States to the United Nations
799 United Nations Plaza, New York, NY 10017-3505
Telephone: (212) 415-4000, Telefax: (212) 415-4443

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 6:57pm.

First, I can't remember what we were taught in junior high.

There seem to be conflicting reports, via the WEB, that state yes and no.

See Yahoo


Submitted by blabbermouth on Sun, 10/01/2006 - 7:06pm.

Try this. You'll have to copy and paste. Sorry!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_headquarters

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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/23/2006 - 12:43pm.

oops...misread


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 09/23/2006 - 9:55am.

I haven't bought Citgo in over 4 months and haven't eaten at a Mexican restaurant in about the same. Except for Taco Bell. Smiling

But I'm sure Doppler Observer took my place in both instances.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 9:14pm.

I thought it was funny.

A US. Marine squad was marching north of Basra when they came upon an
Iraqi terrorist, badly injured and unconscious. On the opposite side of
the road was an American Marine in similar but less serious state.

The Marine was conscious and alert and as first aid was given to both
men, the squad leader asked the injured Marine what had happened.

The Marine reported, "I was heavily armed and moving north along the
highway here, and coming south was a heavily armed insurgent. We saw each
other and both took cover in the ditches along the road.

"I yelled to him that Saddam Hussein is a miserable, lowlife, scumbag,
and he yelled back that Senator Ted Kennedy is a good-for-nothing,
murdering, fat, left wing liberal drunk. So I said that Osama Bin Ladin
dresses and acts like a frigid, mean spirited woman!"

He retaliated by yelling, "Oh yeah? Well so does Hillary Clinton!"

"And, there we were, standing in the middle of the road, shaking hands,
when a truck hit us."


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 9:41pm.

Hey Bad, What you sent me regarding The Avenue was a hoot. Did you notice how effective a tool gun control was? It showed gun control at it's finest. The only thing I didn't see was you standing there with your fire extinguisher.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 9:50pm.

Who do you think was holding the camera?

If you have a way to post it, please do.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 10:17pm.

But if we could everyone would get a hoot out of it regardless of which side of this issue they stood. Isn't there a website where anyone can post a video clip? Then it could be linked. I'll look around.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 10:26pm.

I wish I could, all of my stuff is firewalled.

If anyone has a way to post a video clip, let me know, I'll email it to ya. (not dirty)

bad_ptc@bellsouth.net


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Submitted by Basmati on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 10:27pm.

upload it to youtube.com. Supposedly fast and easy.

Let us know what the URL is when you upload.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 10:46pm.

That's the site. You'll laugh also and interpret it totally different than perhaps Bad and I would.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 11:08pm.

Shopping at the Avenue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDCV1UqpnQQ

Thanks


Submitted by did not know on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 8:48pm.

He is making it! It wasn't repeatedly the Swedish!

Submitted by lifeinptc on Sun, 08/27/2006 - 8:39am.

Everybody gets it. You would have be an idiot not to. Calm down. Talk to your doctor, Zoloft may help you deal with day to day shoot outs and terror postings.

Submitted by Sailon on Sun, 08/27/2006 - 9:50am.

The term means so many things to so many people as to be useless. Of course all people who look to you like arabs are not terrorists, but if he is carrying a bomb, he may be! People with unusual noses attract the most attention, no matter their color! People who stink are really profiled. All Blacks with odd hanging pants carry guns and are dangerous, and should be reported. Anyone in PTC visiting who doesn't live here must be profiled. Red Neks are always profiled, but are considered harmless. Cops are always profiled by crooks--the uniform does it! Wonder why all of these strange creatures were created, all fromAdam abd Eve, unless the Creator made some more people later, from scratch, that is.

Submitted by slambarge on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 8:19pm.

Let's sock it to the terrorist, young male Islamics between 17 and 45!!!! Let's profile until we don't need to profile no more!!! Let's make the young male Islamic afraid to be a terrorist in this country!
If you are not an Islamic terrorist- you need not worry.

Profiling reminds me of something we call a "cliche". Like, "husband has affair with secretary... news at 11"... It aint a cliche for nothing.

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Submitted by Basmati on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 8:26pm.

Remember the Beltway Sniper?

Remember how the crack FBI profiler division said the sniper would be a young white male working alone and living in the surrounding area near his victims?

Too bad he was a middle-aged black male working with a partner from the other end of the country.

The FBI DID say he would be "angry" and they WERE right about that.


Submitted by lifeinptc on Sun, 08/27/2006 - 8:43am.

What kind of rice are they eating in Islamic countries now days? I will say that if you're a sleeper cell you don't sleep much.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 8:40pm.

Remember that the description of the vehicle was a White Ford, or similar, Ecnoline Van?

Does anyone have any idea how many of those are on the road?

Somewhere around a bazillion!

It happens to be “THE” most popular work vehicle in the USA.

P.S. statistically, young white males, between the ages of 17 – 28, high school educated, and single are usually your “typical” mass murders.


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Submitted by ExExPatriot on Tue, 08/22/2006 - 6:45pm.

We both have to travel a lot and I'm sure glad I'm not him.

... And as much as anyone can know anyone else, I know this guy couldn't blow up a paper bag in anger - much less the plane he is sitting in.

I guess I'll have to pick up the slack while he picks up his slacks at the airports.

Somehow I think I wouldn't mind having my privacy violated with deep background checks for an easier time through the airports. I wonder how long it will take them to figure out how to ensure that terrorists don


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Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 08/22/2006 - 6:24pm.

hoooooooooooeeey!

Readin' this sorta stuff makes me wanna go out and bash the next dadgum towelhead I see!

Hey Cal, ya think maybe next week you can reprint some www.stormfront.org editorials so as we can git all riled up at them coloreds too?


Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 09/16/2006 - 4:48pm.

Taking profiling away from law enforcement is taking the ability to reason away from them. It's difficult to beleive that we actually are having this discussion. If your are looking for a duck - stop pretending like you have to randomly check every thing that moves and hope you find one. Look at the quacking thing that waddles and floats and swims ...... ncreases the odds don't ya think??

Submitted by lifeinptc on Sun, 08/27/2006 - 9:39am.

If you returned home and there had been an intruder in your house (God forbid and I'm certainly not wishing that upon you) and a family member you dearly loved had been severly beaten and sexually assaulted. If the policeman escorting the bad guy from the home became emotional over the horrible crime scene and slammed the bad guy's head into a door jam while leaving the home, would you?

A.) Understand the cops frustration and say nothing.

B.) Chastise the Officer for being so insensitive.

C.) Report the Officer for brutality and testify against him in court.

D.)Join the Officer's frustration and b&tch slap the bad guy yourself.

Next question. If you were waiting to board a flight at the airport formerly known as Hartsfield and you observed a person of middle eastern descent sitting next to you pull a suspicious box from his bag and set what appeared to be a timer. If you observed the apparently Islamic man place the box back into his carry on, would you?

A.) Ask him, what the hell was that?

B.) Sit next to him on the plane and try and learn more about his culture?

C.) Descretely report what you saw to an airline attendant?

D.) Leave the airpoort without boarding the plane for your own safety without warning anyone else so the brown skinned man would not be profiled.

Last question. If you were video taping what you thought to be police brutality between an Officer and a suspect and the tables turned on the officer. The bad guy gets the officers gun, puts it to his head
and tells the officer he's going to kill him. Would you?

A.) Keep video taping and sell the tape to hard copy.

B.)Put down the camera and try and help the Officer?

C.) Run (and later sell the tape to hard copy.)

Just a few questions to help me better understand you because I certainly don't so far.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 09/16/2006 - 5:04pm.

Be thankful that you do not understand basmati, lifeinptc. If you did, you would be infected with the same twisted logic you are trying to have explained. He won't answer your questions and he won't make an intelligent argument against profiling. You are asking the un-reasonable to reason. You will receive the same emotive soundbites from him that NPR, the DNC and Air America spewes. And for this he will ease his concious and feel superior to the masses. Thus - the bankrupt morality of the liberal mind. I like your style lifeinptc - maybe there is hope for tomorrow.

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Submitted by Basmati on Sat, 09/16/2006 - 5:18pm.

Gotta love the commentary from the so-called conservatives on this board. They sure do have their talking points down pat!

Seriously, Old School, feel free to put your political agenda ahead of your country's best interests.

Just don't be surprised if very very few people support your fringe extremist views.

You want to have a substantive discussion of the issues? I'm game. You want to sit here and trade sound bites? Go for it! Wanna sling mud? Bring it on!

Your call.


Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 09/16/2006 - 5:43pm.

Aside from the outstanding article this blog is (supposed to be) about, you have also not responded to the following comments:

By lifeinptc: If you returned home and there had been an intruder in your house (God forbid and I'm certainly not wishing that upon you) and a family member you dearly loved had been severly beaten and sexually assaulted. If the policeman escorting the bad guy from the home became emotional over the horrible crime scene and slammed the bad guy's head into a door jam while leaving the home, would you?
A.) Understand the cops frustration and say nothing.
B.) Chastise the Officer for being so insensitive.
C.) Report the Officer for brutality and testify against him in court.
D.)Join the Officer's frustration and b&tch slap the bad guy yourself.
Next question. If you were waiting to board a flight at the airport formerly known as Hartsfield and you observed a person of middle eastern descent sitting next to you pull a suspicious box from his bag and set what appeared to be a timer. If you observed the apparently Islamic man place the box back into his carry on, would you?
A.) Ask him, what the hell was that?
B.) Sit next to him on the plane and try and learn more about his culture?
C.) Descretely report what you saw to an airline attendant?
D.) Leave the airpoort without boarding the plane for your own safety without warning anyone else so the brown skinned man would not be profiled.
Last question. If you were video taping what you thought to be police brutality between an Officer and a suspect and the tables turned on the officer. The bad guy gets the officers gun, puts it to his head
and tells the officer he's going to kill him. Would you?
A.) Keep video taping and sell the tape to hard copy.
B.)Put down the camera and try and help the Officer?
C.) Run (and later sell the tape to hard copy.)
Just a few questions to help me better understand you because I certainly don't so far.
and...

By Oldschoolfootball: If your are looking for a duck - stop pretending like you have to randomly check every thing that moves and hope you find one. Look at the quacking thing that waddles and floats and swims ...... increases the odds of success don't you think??

He won't answer your questions and he won't make an intelligent argument against profiling. You are asking the un-reasonable to reason. You will receive the same emotive soundbites from him that NPR, the DNC and Air America spewes. And for this he will ease his concious and feel superior to the masses. Thus - the bankrupt morality of the liberal mind.

and:

By Slambarge: Let's sock it to the terrorist, young male Islamics between 17 and 45!!!! Let's profile until we don't need to profile no more!!! Let's make the young male Islamic afraid to be a terrorist in this country!
If you are not an Islamic terrorist- you need not worry. Profiling reminds me of something we call a "cliche". Like, "husband has affair with secretary... news at 11"... It aint a cliche for nothing.
Submitted by Sailon on Sun, 08/27/2006 - 10:50am.
The term means so many things to so many people as to be useless. Of course all people who look to you like arabs are not terrorists, but if he is carrying a bomb, he may be! People with unusual noses attract the most attention, no matter their color! People who stink are really profiled. All Blacks with odd hanging pants carry guns and are dangerous, and should be reported. Anyone in PTC visiting who doesn't live here must be profiled. Red Neks are always profiled, but are considered harmless. Cops are always profiled by crooks--the uniform does it! Wonder why all of these strange creatures were created, all fromAdam abd Eve, unless the Creator made some more people later, from scratch, that is.

and :

Great report
Submitted by not again on Sat, 08/26/2006 - 9:39pm.
Im all for it. Profile is the future. Basmati hates christians and law enforcement. He is one that should be profiled Im assuming. When you see a middle eastern male or female at the airports you know what your thinking. If you see 2 black males with their pants hanging down at their knees you assume they have bad taste and probably are armed. If you see a mexican you assume they are most likely law breakers here illegally. Thats life. So get used to it.

Submitted by OldSchoolFootball on Sat, 09/16/2006 - 5:25pm.

abdul - Basami, you have yet to address any of the issues and intelligent arguments in favor of profiling raised by either me or lifeinptc. As predicted - as usual. The arguments are out there - respond to them (if you can).

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