Possible attack at WWHS diverted

Mon, 08/07/2006 - 3:07pm
By: John Munford

Student arrested with several weapons, 150+ rounds of ammo in car

A possible attack on Whitewater High School was foiled Monday morning when a student was arrested after several loaded weapons were found in his vehicle, deputies said.

Inside the car was a case with two rifles, a revolver, more than 150 rounds of ammunition and a black outfit that included military style pants and a hood, police said. Also found was a pair of binoculars, a large “ninja” style knife and a belt included two “speed loaders,” devices that are used to quickly reload a revolver with six shots, police said.

The student, Robin Kittrell, 17, of Carrollwood Drive will face numerous felony charges, said Lt. Col. Bruce Jordan of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Office. He was arrested at the school and taken to the Fayette County Jail.

“We don’t know if he had it in his gut to do it or not, but he definitely had it in his head,” Jordan said.

Kittrell told detectives why he brought the weapons to school, but Jordan declined to divulge that information other than to say Kittrell’s story was “ludicrous.”

Detectives searched Kittrell’s home Monday afternoon and found no written material indicating a plot against the school, but they also seized his computer and will check it for further evidence, Jordan said.

The investigation began when school principal Greg Stillions got information that Kittrell had brought a weapon on campus, Jordan said. Stillions then called Kittrell to his office and had the student searched, turning up a switchblade knife, Jordan said. Campus officials then searched Kittrell’s vehicle where the weapons cache was found, Jordan added.

It is not known if any other student was planning on participating in a possible attack on the school, Jordan said.

Students who hear about a possibly dangerous situation involving other students at school should alert a member of the school faculty immediately, Jordan said. If they learn about the matter at home, students should tell their parents and then call 911, he added.

“Students have just as much a responsibility to keep the school safe as the faculty does,” Jordan said.

Sheriff’s detective Tommy Pope recalled meeting Kittrell when he was a student at Whitewater Middle School. Kittrell would often come to the school office to complain that he was being picked on, Pope remembered.

If it hadn’t been for Stillions taking action to stop Kittrell, a horrible situation could have unfolded, Jordan said.

“Stillions is the only way we knew about it,” Jordan said.

“They were real lucky,” said Fayette County Sheriff Randall Johnson. “That could have been a disaster.”

Also found in Kittrell’s 1991 Volvo in the student parking lot was a suitcase containing several extra pair of underwear, police said.

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Submitted by words on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 7:10pm.

Was it necessary to add the underwear tidbit? The media will do anything to liven up a story.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 9:21am.

Officials delayed action on student's weapons
Fayette deputy tipped weeks before first day of school

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/0809metfayette.html

By KATHY JEFCOATS , BRIDGET GUTIERREZ
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 08/09/06
Fayette County officials knew in June that a Whitewater High School student might show up on the first day of school with weapons and ammunition — but they didn't immediately act on the information, a school resource officer testified Tuesday.
"We got a tip that he'd been known during the spring to have weapons in his vehicle," said Jason Tutterow, a Fayette County sheriff's deputy. But school officials were dealing with unsubstantiated information and decided to wait until classes began.
Would someone please tell me why the parents weren’t contacted back in June?

What the kid did was wrong and illegal, but what others didn’t do may have been illegal as well.

It appears that there might be some additional culpability here to share.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 10:14am.

I think they did the right thing, they waited until he was on school property when they did not need the warrant. They caught him red handed, I'm not sure how it could have been handled better myself. Sounds like the best info was for him showing up opening day with his "cache" of weapons.

Submitted by tonto707 on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 5:07pm.

is not usually grounds for obtaining a warrant. The days of the JPs issuing warrants on a whim are over. Now obviously this was not a "whim" but officials handled this correctly.

I too would question why the parents were not involved earlier. However, parents who would knowingly allow the boy to drive around with weapons and ammo probably would have reacted negatively to any contact, just my speculation, no way to know that for sure.

If in fact the boy has been dealing with bullies for several years then there may be a deeper problem here, one that would warrant counseling. I hope the young person gets whatever help he needs.

Submitted by Matted on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 11:42pm.

He was on school property for 13 hours a day for two weeks prior to the first day of school. A little thing called band camp. They had PLENTY of time to bust him (he had the guns at camp, I know for a fact. I sat next to them when I got rides to school from him.)

Why didn't they act then, I wonder?

Submitted by snitch on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 6:29pm.

You should have busted this kid when you originally got the first
tip but you didn't-why not? Messed up again, didn't you.
What excuse will you have this time?

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Submitted by ExExPatriot on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 1:27am.

I'm no lawyer but from tv I think they call that "accessory after the fact".
You knew this and didn't say anything? Wow.
You better be really happy this got stopped because if he had used any of those weapons - to maybe bring down one of those dreaded bullies - you would have been an accomplice. If not legally than you would have had to ask yourself for a long long time how much fault you own for not saying anything to the authorities - or 911.
Why didn't YOU act then - or did someone at charge in the school know about it?

Scary stuff.


Submitted by Matted on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 5:38pm.

I only know that he had them then due to the fact that I recognized the case in the photos released by the authorities. Up until I saw those pictures I thought it was his bassoon case.

Sorry for not mentioning that.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 5:46pm.

Don’t go getting yourself in trouble over this.
But you have made what I think was a good observation. Why did the authorities wait until the first day of school?

Like I’ve said before, this doesn’t smell right.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 7:10pm.

This “TIP” leaves a LOT to be desired!
When did the TIP come in?
Where did the TIP come from?
Who received this TIP?
How was the TIP received?
What exactly was the TIP?
Who was notified about the TIP?
When were they notified about the TIP
While we’re at it, the ‘Why’ part of the TIP should be answered as well?
Was the kid being surveilled prior to school restarted?

If the case was in the back seat of the car, as stated, did anyone bother to look in the car while it was on school property during band practice?

I fully understand that local law enforcement has barely had time to get answers to these and a few hundred other questions.

Other than the kid did something unbelievably stupid and illegal I don’t yet see ‘Columbine II’ in the making here.

I truly pray that the outcome of all of this will not be ‘Columbine II’ in the making.

We simply DON’T have enough facts yet to arrive at any kind of conclusion.

Another sad thought is that we may never have an answer to these and several other questions.

At this point in time I’m just grateful that all but one of the students came home from school that day unharmed.


Submitted by words on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 7:16pm.

If what matted said is true about robin having guns at band camp, then it's possible that someone in the band could have discovered them.

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 12:10pm.

If the school knew this guy was being bullied and told the police also, then it would have been no problem to stop him and check his car anytime. They stop all of these kids all of the time when they want to do so. Anyway, they could have gotten a warrant for the house too if they had wanted to.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 12:15pm.

What they did worked. I don't think any of us on here know what "evidence" they had before they made their move. I'm speculating, and thats all. The end result is what's important to me. Also, the School System/Police need to put what they learned in this case to work in the future, God forbid it ever happen again.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 4:44pm.

Nailing him on school property gave a well defined charge to make against him. Not nearly what they could have done on the road or his driveway, in example.

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Keeping it real and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals.


Submitted by lj57 on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 11:29pm.

The cold hard fact is he had guns at school. What would your debate be if he had used them? I feel sorry for the students and parents who are having to deal with the what if's.

Submitted by somesomething on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 5:30pm.

Listen, I know what a lot of you are saying about Robin's personality, but this stereotype of jocks harassing loners doesn't really apply at Whitewater, at least not in the senior class. Occasional, (and as I said, light-hearted) jokes doesn't exactly qualify for harassment or bullying. Yes, People payed a LITTLE more attention to Robin's idiosyncrasies than a lot of other kids because the fact of the matter is, he does behave oddly. For instnace, he has always been extremely polite and cultured, his musical tastes don't exactly mesh with those of the teenagers around here (he prefered Classical and Jazz to whiny emo and death metal), and he's the stereotypical gentleman--I can't imagine Robin shooting anyone at all, let alone in the presence of "ladies" which Robin would have regarded as a completely inappropriate display of violence and aggression in the presence of young women. Robin doesn't sit in the back of the class and fantasize about the dammage he can do to every person he hates. Kids tended to treat him like everyone else. He wasn't "well-liked" but he wasn't popularly disliked either. He has friends and maintained a cool attitude in social situations. He isn't "anti-social." He's not a normal kid, but he certainly isn't violent.

I am not arguing with the fact that it's illegal to bring guns to school. It was a stupid thing to do. It was beyond stupid. Maybe it was arrogant of me to presume to know the innerworkings of Robin's mind, but I think I have a little more authority than say, Mr. Stillions, the police, or any of the rest of you who Don't Know Him. I've gone to school with him since kindergarden and I'm a friend of his. Enough speculating as to why Robin had guns. There is no evidence to prove that Robin had them for the specific purpose to kill anyone. I am not sitting around and pretending to know why a perfect stranger possessed guns, or trying to make excuses as to why "this" (a "possible attack") happened. None of you even know that it was a planned attack, so stop trying to analyze this kid you don't know. Stop attacking his parents, stop attacking his morals, and stop trying to invent emotional and mental problems for him to mitigate a crime he wouldn't have commited. Maybe those of you who feel it's necessary to find fault somewhere ought to consider how your hypothetical scenaros are making him sound. I am at least trying to defend my friend in saying that whatever his intentions were, shooting up the school wasn't one of them. And yes, I would bet my life on it.

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Submitted by ExExPatriot on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 2:12am.

Yes Arielle, you would - and did - bet your life on it. Your life and the lives of the bullies he wanted to protect people against.
What would it take to convince you that if someone has weapons, there is an intent to use them, however deep seated and hidden from his freinds it may be? Can you not imagine that you have just been plain WRONG about him - DEAD WRONG???
Despite your youth it still astounds me that you defend him just because he was a nice guy - it is not just arrogant, it could be a fatal (not just for you) mistake to presume to know his mind. You know only one thing about Robin: what he wanted you to know!
Go get a degree in psychology, observe the world for about twenty more years and here's how your opinion will change:
People that bring massive amounts of weapons to schools are dangerous, despite what they appear to be on the outside.

And btw, Robin wouldn't necessarily wouldn't have to be the shooter to have instigated a catastrophe. imagine if the weapons had been stolen by someone prepared to use them. As safe as a'91 Volvo may be to ride in, it makes a lousy weapons storage device.


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 7:30am.

Robin was picked on and bullied because he behaved differently than the "normal teenager" here?! He had manners and was polite to everyone.

He was different if he had manners and was polite. He was different from any thug teenager in PTC thats for sure. After the horrible summer we have had here because of teenage thug worthless kids, a polite teen is as rare as hen's teeth.

The kids justified bullying him because he was polite and cultured, very different from them. How SAD THIS IS. Worthless S#%Tbag thug kids are idolized in our society. But a well mannered kid gets picked on and everyone just sits back and tolerates it.???!!!
This says alot about the kind of "good christian" people raising kids here. What a joke you hypocrites are.

Fayette County has definitly reached an all time low. What miserable horrible people most of you family idiots are. There is a reason why every bus and school has to have security cameras these days. It is because of your miserable kids and the way you are choosing NOT to RAISE them. The tax payers and the police and the sheriff's dept. have to take care of your mistakes for you.!

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Submitted by ArmyMAJretired on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 7:48am.

Let us know how you really feel.

I think Fayette County has hit a new low with you judging the majority of good families based on a few bullies.

I for one have raised my kids right, including church, scouting and good old fashioned discipline and manners.

You could use a little "judge not" lesson yourself.

Are you perfect, because your rant sure sounds like you can walk on water.


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Submitted by ExExPatriot on Thu, 08/10/2006 - 1:44am.

Major, can you honestly say your kids had the same behavior has Robin - just without the weapons?
Everything about him sounds perfect - his grades, his manners, his self discipline, his willingness to help others and protect the weaker - are you saying your kids are that great? Would they have stepped in between a big bully and the one getting the brunt of it?
Maybe 90% belong to the "good kids" group today with the rest being either the problem kids or the perfect ones - like Robin without the armory.
I say we need more like him - with that minor difference. Not just decent grades and perhaps refraining from bullying but kids that will step in and protect those being bullied, open doors, help others.


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 08/09/2006 - 8:14am.

Definitly not perfect. But I don't expect the taxpayers and the police to fix all of my bad choices either. We seem to have an epidemic of people who want everyone else to take care of their mistakes for them. All I'm saying is I for one am sick of it.!

Thank you for discipling your kids you have made the world a better place because of your hard work. Parenting is hard work folks, it isn't something you should just fall into after a hard night at the local bar.

ps: Have I ever surgarcoated anything here?

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:28pm.

Why did he have guns at school?

He might have been the nicest person on the planet, but the first time you get shot, you don't get a chance to ask why.

I don't want to know him; I want him to be incarcerated and to receive appropriate pyschiatric treatment for being so incredibly wreckless as to even have people consider the ill effects of bringing weapons to school. Friend or not, he's not right to do what he did, and there is no other explanation for it. Get the boy help.

Submitted by somesomething on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:36pm.

Thanks for that newsflash. I did say--twice, I believe--that I AM aware that it is illegal to bring guns to school.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:49pm.

Perhaps you should have called and checked on him during the summer.

Please understand that we don't take too kindly to kids packing arsenals and attempting to be their own cavalry to "save the world".

That's how good kids end up at Mowell's funeral home.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 6:43pm.

is about as useful and effective as that of Peter supporting Linda. Shhhhhhhh....you ain't helping him. If you're his defense lawyer you just slipped the noose around his neck.


Submitted by somesomething on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:22pm.

Last time I checked, this is a free country and I can say whatever I want. I'm not defending him in court. I'm defending him, here, among all of you vicious gossips. How about this: once you have a clue what YOU are talking about, then you can start ordering other people around, kay?

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:30pm.

You know who your messing with?


Submitted by somesomething on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:33pm.

No. Who am I messing with?
Also, why are you here? Clearly you don't care about the facts of this story, so if the only purpose of this is to gather some "news" to entertain yourself or your friends, maybe you should pick up a copy of The Enquirer.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:37pm.

We're not here to get the news, we're here to pretend we're all experts on things.

Got a ? for ya - do you consider yourself Robin's friend? If so, why did he have guns at school? Did you talk to him or now this was going to happen? If you did, why didn't you try to stop him? If you didn't know, perhaps you didn't know him as you say you do.

Stop and think - why would someone bring guns, knives, zip ties, etc. to school, even if they think they're helping. Wouldn't you say that he needs to be evaluated?

Submitted by somesomething on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:53pm.

"Did you talk to him or now this was going to happen? If you did, why didn't you try to stop him?"

Stop him from doing what exactly? Bringing guns to school, or attempting to terrorize the school with weapons? Because last time I checked, that he brought guns to school was the ONLY THING that happened. This, I don't know how many times I have to reiterate, is my point. No, Robin didn't tell me he was bringing guns to school, but I don't supose you would tell all your friends, either, now would you? Especially if you were a gentleman in the presence of ladies! I never claimed to be his best friend. I am his friend. Only two people knew he was in possession of them and one of the two told on him.

Yes, I do believe Robin's reason for bringing the guns to school. That's exactly the kind of excuse Robin would have, and the idea only further exemplifies Robin's survivalist attitude. Anyone who even remotely knows him can add this to a laundry list. You DON'T know Robin. And yes, I do think he needs to be evaluated. But that doesn't mean he was planing to kill anyone.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:57pm.

You answered all we need to know in just these few words:
That's exactly the kind of excuse Robin would have, and the idea only further exemplifies Robin's survivalist attitude. Anyone who even remotely knows him can add this to a laundry list.

What you don't "get" is he may have had best of intentions, but when the gun goes off, and the wrong person is on the other end, you can't hit reset and start over.

Go to bed and count your blessings, young person; you'll be late for school tomorrow.

Submitted by somesomething on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:02pm.

What exactly is it that "we all need to know"? That Robin wasn't planing to kill anyone? I am not talking about hypothetical situations here. I'm talking about what ACTUALLY happened which is the whole reason I posted in the first place. You can talk about what could have happened all you want, but don't bother discussing it with me because it's a waste of time.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:09pm.

Somesomething, please understand the purpose of these blogs. It is to allow the general public to comment on the news. That's what we're doing; we are allowed to have opinions, informed, uninformed or otherwise. Don't continue to pick fights to defend your friend, as he needs you more to support him to get professional help than he does to be defended against those of us lowly pundits who decide to comment on what we read into stories and situations.

You aren't going to understand it even if we explain it to you. Your friend brought guns to school, and he's in jail. That's how it should happen.

Call your friend who turned him in and say thank you. Then get off the computer and think about the fact that your friend in jail needs pyschological help. Focus on that instead of a few folks online who are saying what most are thinking.

Go to bed.

Submitted by somesomething on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 11:12pm.

YOU are the one who does not understand. I am aware that you are allowed to have oppinions and I am aware, for what, the fourth time? that what Robin did is illegal. I know that's how it should happen. I'm not saying he shouldn't have gone to jail. I'm saying that he's not the psycho, would-be-killer everyone else is making him out to be. You go to bed.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:32pm.

he or she is young, and you've been severly warned once tonight. Don't become a two-time banned poster!

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:38pm.

I just felt like I was in High School sparring match.

You can know this. It is easy to become severly warned and you too can do it. Hey guys....watch this.

{{{{{SEVERLY SPANKED}}}}}


Submitted by pandora on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:44pm.

Hah! So what's the little "smiley" symbol for "mouth washed out with soap"?
Smiling

Submitted by cftsofc on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 3:19pm.

WHS and WMS are to blame in this tragedy. Had they not turned a blind eye to bullying reports, not just from this young man, but from many students over many years, this would not have happened. This highly gifted and talented student has been harrassed by popular classmates since middle school and now we see the result. Not only has he faced ridicule for his intelligence, he has been the victim of a dumbed down curriculum with little opportunity to refine his thinking ability and put it to good use. WHS and WMS have significantly reduced the gifted/honors courses by mandating a one size fits all curriculum (especially at WMS). I'm sure the intention is to help improve the academic success of the typical "at risk" students, but it is to the detriment of the "gifted at risk" student. Not only are they forced to endure mundane classes that are appropriate for the majority, they are grouped with students who do not understand them and therefore bully them because of their academic ability. It is widely known that many convicted felons are geniuses... ever wonder why? Had this vicious cycle never been allowed by the administration, perhaps this young man would be curing cancer instead of behind bars. Gifted parents, stand up and speak out!

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 5:05pm.

The student may be gifted, but the parents are certainly not. They had no idea what was going on. This is hard to fathom. I wondered how long it would be before someone came on here blaming the School.

As far as the so called "gifted student", he now claims that had the guns to help in case the school underwent a "Columbine" type of attack. This was just reported on Ch 2 News.

This guy needs jailtime.

Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:17pm.

Mr./Ms. cftsofc? My God, I can't believe you wrote that the schools are to blame. Is there no more personal accountability in the world? No more parental accountability? What kind of delusional world do you live in?

Bullying is very hard prove without pictures (video), and witnesses. Without those two items, it's he said/she said. That information came to me via a juvenile judge, in our circuit court, that was speaking to a group of Scouts. Most bullies don't perform their revolting acts in front of people that will testify against them. It's VERY hard to "catch" a bully in the act. There is not enough personnel at schools today to secretly follow bullies around (or victims). I will assume that you have never volunteered in a school for such a service? Hey, here's an idea...why don't you blame all the unemployed parents? They should be at the school volunteering, right? I think it's their fault. Teachers need to teach and the unemployed parents need to monitor everything else.

Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:31pm.

AT WHS? If so, what's your name?

Submitted by cftsofc on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:33pm.

You first, since you are so bold to ask.

Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:39pm.

My name is Whitney.

Submitted by cftsofc on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:47pm.

I am "Concerned for the Students of Fayette County" and I know better than to put myself in the line of fire (just as you, Whitney) by providing my real full name. I've been in this county long enough, my dear.

Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:53pm.

doesn't it? If you volunteer as much as you claim to do so, you'd know me. You obviously don't. I see you've been a member for less than 2 hours. You must be very concerned (sarcasm) as it takes an incident like this for you to voice your concerns. Your also quite cowardly, aren't you? Have a great night.

Submitted by cftsofc on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:24pm.

Please. I "volunteer" much more than you could ever know. TRUST ME. You obviously have no idea what it's really like in our schools. Your second-hand information is no competition from the what I have witnessed. YOU volunteer in our schools, in the classrooms, on the bus, in the hallways, in the cafeteria, in the locker-room. I've been to all these places and I have seen and reported what goes on. I'm not excusing the student in question, I just want everyone else to know the truth about what really happens in our public schools.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 6:31pm.

Whew....I guess all it takes for people to come out of the woodwork and join us is to have a good old fashioned Columbine party. There is so much hidden concern for the problems in our county that it only took a little ole episode like this to bring all the experts out.

Welcome to the blog folks. Watch your BS though cuz there's a few gunslingers hanging around here that will hand your {{{{{{{EDITED and WARNED}}}}}} back to you whooped good if your not careful.

So blog at your own risk.

Had to add that edit. It looked awesome and powerful.


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Submitted by WakeUp on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 3:45pm.

The school cannot be blamed for this situation. The "school" did not bring a switchblade into class. The "school" did not bring the speed loaders. The "school" did not bring the pistols. The "school" did not bring the rifle, nor did the "school" bring the ninja sword to class. He made a decision to do this.

Could the school be responsible for not handling a group of bullies. YES. But they are not at fault for the results.

If the education someone receives at a public institution is not sufficient for their abilities, there are other options. There are private schools and other alternative solutions. The law does not mandate attendance at a government school, so don't hang the problems of the education level on the government. It is overly involved in too many areas as it is. So, don't blame the schools. The school administrators did not come to work today carrying guns, ammo, cuff links and swords. The kid did and now he has to be held responsibile.

Now, the school administrators had better take a look at the levels of hazing and bullying and take corrective actions. These idiots need to be held accountable also.


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Submitted by shadowalker on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 12:35pm.

id like to add that we raised 3 boys all hunters, and all went to fayette county BUT if they went hunting i and only i unlocked the gun safe, when they were thru hunting which was weekends or holidays
the weapons were cleaned and i and only i locked the gun safe, call me anal but untill they reached the age of 21 i and only i was responsible for the use or miss use of those weapons it to me still boils down to as a parrent i would have known if weapons were not in the gun safe and i also checked my kids cars trunks and back seats and there bed rooms wheather they new it or not. you must be active to be pro active, so why as some have sad that this young man had these weapons in his trunk and the parrents did not know
that is my question lets get back to being responsible
what would they say if his car was stolen with these weapons in it
open you eyes folks......


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 1:03pm.

We don’t know exactly where the guns were in the car.

When John finds out, he’ll no doubt tell us.


Submitted by cftsofc on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:29pm.

Why is it that when a student attends a school that does not meet AYP (that's adequate yearly progress for you laymen) his/her parents can choose the student's school using public funding? However when a gifted student's needs are not met by all-for-one education, parents have to come out of pocket for appropriate education? It's PUBLIC education for ALL... not most. YOU wake up and do some research. ALL students' needs must be met. ALL!!! NO child left behind includes the brightest, not just the "at risk." Get informed.

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Submitted by WakeUp on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 5:31pm.

First off, short timer, you may refer to me as a layman and that is fine. The no child left behind is targeted for the students who have problems keepping up, not for those wanting to get ahead of their targeted grade level. Since you have a problem with me concerning my understanding, let's use a basic analogy: two students and a teacher walking along the sidewalk (are you with me so far?), one is behind and the other in front. No child left behind is for the teacher to work with the student falling behind so they make keep up, not for the teacher to push the student in front farther ahead. Should it be targeted at both, maybe, but it is not.

Public education does not, will not and cannot be meet ALL student's needs. If you think so, you are the one in fantasy land.

For the record, my son tests an average of 2 grade levels across the board in his standardized tests. In science and math he is 3 grade levels ahead. So we have implemented one of the alternative education solutions. This entails us not taking Caribbean vacations or ski trips to Vail, but we do it because he is one of the gifted ones and it is important to us. I am informed, now your turn.


Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:39pm.

What gifted classes do you feel are not being offered at WHS?

By the way, to address your statement regarding a gifted student's needs, the gifted kids used to fall under the special education umbrella and their rights were protected. I believe that when the criteria for being considered gifted was "redone," that catagory was subsequently removed from the special ed umbrella, and I don't believe that the local school systems had any say in any of it.

You will need to investigate this on your own as I am not sure of the facts and you need to take your complaints to a higher level.

Submitted by cftsofc on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:45pm.

Dear Anonymous,
Yes, I'm sure you are not sure of the facts since you are an outsider. Yes, the complaints do need to be taken to a higher level and the higher levels need to listen to them. Gifted students deserve the same rights as special education and all students. Just because their minds operate far beyond ours does not mean they are not still children in need of the same care, guidance, and concern. I am not excusing any actions on behalf of the young man. I am stating a concern for a potential problem faced by the intellectually frustrated of our county.

Signed,
Concerned for the Students of Fayette County (cftsofc)

Submitted by kyndall on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 6:25pm.

You do know that WHS offers gifted and AP classes?

Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:49pm.

I posted my name, as you "dared" me to. I see that you did not post yours. Should I be surprised? I'm hardly an outsider.

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Submitted by Emmyjune on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:53pm.

Get 'em, Whitney!


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 3:40pm.

Schools at fault.
Principal's at fault.
Bullies at fault.
Assistant principal's at fault.
Parent's at fault.
Rich people at fault.
Curriculum's at fault.
Democrats at fault.
White people at fault.
Republicans at fault.
PTC Guy at fault.
Administration at fault.
Mundane classes at fault.
Guns at fault.
Sugar at fault.
George Bush at fault.

Wow....does anyone ever attempt to hang out with these kids and encourage them through all this crap? What a world we live in and how terrifying it must be to an undeveloped mind. Damn it all.

How fun was it last night discussing this with my kids and trying to get them to understand Columbine and how it could have happened here. I don't know if it would have. 99.9% of all these kids are all talk and show but it only takes one or two from time to time to turn the world upside down.

We adults are failing our kids. I have discovered that teenagers value the time spent with adults and they yearn for our encouragement, advice and guidance. Why aren't we giving them that.

I don't know this kid Robin but I will damn well bet that if someone would have taken time with him he would be in school today instead of facing the consequences of his bad decisions today. I'm not excusing him. He must be held accountable for his actions and he will. This should be a wake up call to all of us. Hang out with these guys. They're more than just pimply faced teenagers.... they are our future.

Wow...I gotta lighten up a bit. Sorry Ex...that got a little long.


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Submitted by ExExPatriot on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:00pm.

I wanted to say about the same thing only I wouldn't have kept it so brief.

How about this; Kid is at fault but schools and parents could have prevented it?
Knowing that, how about we start preventing the weapons in school case that will happen next year?

Ok, show of hands: Who is going to bring weapons to school next year?


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Submitted by Basketball Mom on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:15pm.

GIT REAL: "I don't know this kid Robin but I will damn well bet that if someone would have taken time with him he would be in school today instead of facing the consequences of his bad decisions today."

I know his father and I'll betcha many of your children have been tutored by him in various subjects at various FC schools. His father is very active in Rob's scholastic and personal life.

Rob may have been bullied at school but he could give it back just as well as he got it.

We could just blame our "community" as a whole, if you like. It's an entirely different world now for kids than it was when the tail-end of the boomers were growing up. Neighbors knew each other. Parents called other parents if they witnessed or heard about another kid doing something they shouldn't. We didn't have the influence of the Internet, Cable TV or "My Space". On days we didn't have school or after school, we went outside and didn't come back in until it was time to eat.....back in the day.

Why don't people quit the witch hunt, be grateful nothing DID happen and let the judicial system work rather than trying Rob through the media?


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 6:23pm.

I guess I didn't make it clear enough that I was being facetious with my listing of everyone to blame. I do however blame society for much of what troubles our youth today.

Well...thanks for clarifying for us that his being bullied couldn't have been the cause. That's a relief. Guess it didn't have anything to do with his father mentoring him into being an avowed and vocal atheist would it? Many of us have our own little arsenals but the last thing we would ever do is give our kids access to it. Especially in todays world. I guess the nuts don't fall far from the tree do they? Unless proved wrong I'd say I'm glad this guy didn't mentor my kids.

Hmmmmm....wonder what names I'm going to be called now?


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Submitted by ExExPatriot on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:04pm.

I could fix alot of my traffic problems.
JUST KIDDING!!!


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Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 12:01pm.

So let's recap...

One or more students told school officials about possible dangerous behavior of a classmate.

The principal took direct action and confronted the student.

When weapons were found, the sheriff's dept was brought in.

This was a textbook case on how to do things right. Maybe we've learned some lessons in a post-Columbine world.

The one unsettling statement was detective Tommy Pope recalling that Kitrell OFTEN came to the school office to complain about being bullied.

It takes a lot for a kid to complain about being bullied to an adult. But this kid evidently did so on multiple occasions. What was the outcome of his complaints? Was he ignored? Was he told to suck it up and defend himself? I won't make excuses for the kid, what he did was wrong....but I'm interested in hearing the extent of how often and how badly he was bullied.


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 2:55pm.

The school execs not paying much attention to a complaint is nothing new. They simply can't talk to parents anymore without a hassel, which they have decided isn't worth it. I don't know what all those ass't principals and supervisors do, but it is not coordinating each child with their parents! Bullying is just one of hundreds of things that should be resolved as they occur. Used to be with a paddle and a meeting with the parents (woops, parent nowadays).

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 1:41pm.

We are in agreement Rice Guy. Dittos if you will. Eye-wink


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Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 4:36pm.

Somewhere a seal is breaking. Laughing out loud

Someone better look to see if the moon becomes as blood tonight.


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Submitted by cowtipn on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 1:56pm.

as the day Git Real agreed with Basmati. Oops, already said that.


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Submitted by G35 Dude on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 12:44pm.

We need to do more for these kids that are being bullied. A couple of years ago my son was threatened on the school bus. Another child and his brother threatened to kill my son and our dog. While I realized that there was a 95% chance that this was just “talk” I still reported it to the school. I was referred to the assistant principle. She took the report and said she’d check into it. A couple of days later I called back to check into the progress she was making and was told that she hadn’t had time to do anything yet. I then e-mailed the principle and school resource officer with my concerns. I received a call that night from the school bus driver. He assured me that my son would be safe on his bus. The next day I get a call from the assistant principle. She tells me that she interviewed the witness that overheard the threat. The witness stated that he heard the other kids threaten our dog but didn’t actually hear the threat against my son. The assistant principle then tells me that she called in the grandparents of the other children and they had a good meeting. That was it. Nothing else ever came of it. If this is all we can expect from the “system” I can understand how a child can become frustrated. Doesn’t justify this kind of response I know. But we have to do more! A side note, this other kid, (the older brother) was later suspended from school for a week. I’m not sure why but I did hear some pretty bad rumors.


Submitted by tellthetruth on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 7:54am.

Fayette County is worried about students that don't reside in Fayette County more than what can be going on in the county. Its not the students that don't live in the county that is causing trouble its the ones that stay here. Now while the police and other people are looking at outsiders coming in and not realizing what could go on in the county.Just because we are label FAYETTE COUNTY don't mean we are too good to have crazy thing like this happen. I have a cousin who goes to WhiteWater High and have 2 more years to go and after this incident is scared to go to school.

Submitted by RT Tugger on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:36am.

Actually, nooooo, Fayette County has not been concerned about illegal, out-of-county students coming into our schools. The BoE has long ignored the situation and has only recently (shortly before the July election) decided to come up with a more rigorous policy. Time will tell if the policy will be enforced and result in the illegal students being sent back to where they lawfully belong. And to refute your second statement, yesssss, the illegal students DO cause problems, not only within the schools but as a burden to Fayette County taxpayers. I guess you don't mind illegal students attending our schools as long as they follow all the OTHER rules, just not the one that requires students to attend school in their county of residence? Someday, if you grow up to pay taxes, this might actually be an issue to you. Fayette County is not immune to the types of horrific events that have happened at other schools around the country. I recall a terrible crime committed a couple years ago by Fayette County students, though not at school. In this case, the thoughts about what could have happened are more than frightening. Thank God this student was apprehended, and much praise to the student who alerted the school authorities.

Submitted by tellthetruth on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 1:20pm.

Actually no i don't know an illegal student. I have resided in Fayette County for 24 years now and I'M A TAX PAYER. To me its not a bis deal it has been going on for many years now,so why craked down on it know.To me the only reason is that they DON'T WANT BLACKS TO COME TO FAYETTE COUNTY. How many illegal student that you know cause problems with the school system.My husband works for the Fayette County Police Department.I and respond to the statement that you made about Fayette County is not immune to these types of horrific events is crazy,why because this is a white rich county come in GIVE ME A BREAK AND FACE REALITY.

Submitted by RT Tugger on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 11:04pm.

I'm having trouble responding to your post because the last part of it is just incoherent. If you read my post, I said that Fayette County is not immune to the types of events that have happened elsewhere, something that many other posters have said as well. You call my statement "crazy" and tell me to "face reality." Are you saying we are immune in this county? If so, wasn't yesterday's incident a reality check, even if--thankfully--no one was harmed? I'm just trying to understand.

Submitted by dopplerobserver on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 3:01pm.

Have many of you had the subject pop up when you try to read a blog? It seems to be only on controversial subjects. Are they ever checked or approved? Also, If later approved, no one will get to read them, will they? Also, still having trouble getting to any kind of time-sequence in reading blogs. Are they wiped out before everyone can get time to read them all?

Submitted by zzsweet on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 1:43pm.

Although I agree with some of your comments, I think the RICH WHITE COUNTY is a little harsh. I have lived here for 8 years, I am NOT RICH, and most of the people in my neighborhood are not, I would say most are Middle class. Your comment about not wanting Blacks in this county????? Come on, no one can stopped that from happening, because they already live here. I personally don't look at people and see color.

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Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 1:53pm.

Fayette County is the 51st wealthiest county in the entire United States (2nd in Georgia only to Fulton County) and the last census said Fayette was 83% Caucasian.

"Rich White County" is a pretty apt description.


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Submitted by shadowalker on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 12:46pm.

ill bet you think there is only white rice , you need to shut you mouth and open your eyes at any given time when i drive thru fayette county anywhere i see more people of color then i do white
and you know what i old is that stupid head count you are quoteing

just from new hope rd north on 314 and 85 the population is 80%
black. your an idot, and you know what the black population earns
money goes to school and works hard at hard jobs. so crawl back under that rock you came from

get some more white rice


ExExPatriot's picture
Submitted by ExExPatriot on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 10:47pm.

Not that we'd want to forget any minor details but ...
Black or African American Population 2000: %11.5
White Population for the United States 2000: %75.1

Wanna get the numbers for Georgia and specifically surrounding counties?

Yes, Fayette has a higher percentage of whites than some other counties, but check out Nebraska - or Montana. Lots of counties with thousand+ residents but 0% black/African American.
Even north and south Georgia and northern Florida have counties with low black/African American populations, as well as counties with over 70% black/African American.

So what?

If there is a problem here that any race is being prevented from moving here, let's fix it. Otherwise, why do we even want to talk about it?

Off topic - let's get back to the student - or was there some tie in with race?


Basmati's picture
Submitted by Basmati on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 11:03pm.

Census data for Fayette County from the 2000 census:
83.87% White
11.47% African American,
0.21% Native American,
2.42% Asian,
0.02% Pacific Islander,
0.76% from other races,
1.25% from two or more races.

Additionally, 2.83% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

I got this from wikipedia so it must be true (BTW, did you know the elephant population worldwide has tripled in the past three months?)

I brought up the racial percentage because the previous post was took exception to a comment that Fayette was a "Rich, White County".


shadowalker's picture
Submitted by shadowalker on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 12:58pm.

that census is 6yrs old those numbers for fayette county are so far
off today that its not funny,


Basmati's picture
Submitted by Basmati on Mon, 08/14/2006 - 1:03pm.

You got any facts to back up your claims that the percentage of white folks has dropped, my race-baitin' buddy? Hmm?

If you can find some more current facts, I'd love to see them.

Or are you one of these PTC_Guy types who makes up "facts" out of thin air to bolster his argument?

*edited*
Okay, I found a United Way demographics chart from 2004, stating the white population is now 80% and the black population is a whoppin' 15.5%. Still want to make a claim that Fayette is NOT an overwhelmingly white county, boy?


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 3:10pm.

Even most people who have a net worth of a million still see themselves as middle class. They just don't want to recognize the "riff raff."

Submitted by tellthetruth on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 1:52pm.

I'm glad that you see it that way.But you not an offical that see it another.

Submitted by tellthetruth on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 2:22pm.

You seem to be more worried about proper english that you use so perfectly everyday than the matter at hand.

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Submitted by WakeUp on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 3:11pm.

Re-read your post. Then read it again aloud. If it makes sense to you, great. If not, then you get their point. I for one did not understand what you meant.

Just so you can find it again, here is your direct quote:

I'm glad that you see it that way.But you not an offical that see it another.

HUH?


Submitted by dopplerobserver on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 3:08pm.

You are understood perfectly but such talk is resented by many, especially if it is written down. I heard Oprah say yesterday that in the "hood" they say, "he be my babies daddy." It is now being touted as "proper English", and it must not be.

Submitted by drandomkid on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:40pm.

your welcome for all those who thanked me for savin ur kids

Submitted by drandomkid on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 9:42pm.

what was needed to be done was done

Submitted by RT Tugger on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 11:19pm.

Are you saying you're the student who reported the weapons to Principal Stillions? If so, you have the heartfelt gratitude of countless parents and students in this county. Your action is not just commendable, it may have been life-saving. Thank you for doing the right thing.

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Submitted by youdontsay on Tue, 08/08/2006 - 12:54pm.

I pay taxes and lot of them, I was just saying it doesnt matter what county people come from these thing can happen. I have persoanlly reported people from out of dstrict and until recently nothing has been done about them. But this school year most of them went packing back to clayton county..


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