Misdirected anger on county legal fees

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People who criticize county commissioners like Greg Dunn and Linda Wells for the county’s high legal fees in their litigation with the sheriff are barking up the wrong tree.

There is nothing wrong for anybody to have a difference of opinion with someone else. It happens all the time.

What is wrong is to make it impossible to resolve the problem unless and until each side has spent months and months and a ton of money trying to win.

In other words, our legal system is way too expensive and wasteful. Yet a lot of people criticize the county commissioners, seemingly wanting them to give up on matters they deem important. Far too many people in this country give up their rights because the court system makes it too expensive for them to stand up for them. (Eric Maxwell stood up for his right to put up political signs, but then he’s a lawyer and wealthy.)

So why aren’t there people out there complaining about our lousy legal system, which is so slow and so expensive?

Most well-managed businesses now seek to bypass our judicial system by inserting provisions for arbitration in their contracts.

Arbitration is not now a possibility for the disputes between our sheriff and county commissioners. Why is that?

It is largely because we elect state representatives (and senators) who are mental dwarves. No imagination. No creativity. Often a limited education. Hung up on doctrinaire medieval issues.

An intelligent state representative would propose legislation to provide for the resolution of disputes like our commissioners and sheriff are having through a hearing officer of the Department of Community Affairs. The whole thing could be resolved within six weeks, at little expense to the taxpayers.

We elect dumb state representatives, and we get dumb state laws, focusing on dumb things like naming every mile of highway in the state after some dumb legislators, some dead in body and all brain dead.

We shouldn’t blame our county commissioners, or even the sheriff, for the huge legal fees we taxpayers are having to pay. We should put the blame squarely on our state legislators who have left us saddled with a judicial system that is a disgrace.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 2:25pm.

State and Federal Law backed the Sheriff and the audit cleared the Sheriff.

But that did not satisfy the Three Amigos hunger for power and control.

They went ahead and challenged established law their lawyer, I am sure, told them made their wants unobtainable.

It should have ended there. It did not.

Before you claim the lawyer did not so inform them, I would ask, if that were the case, why the county did not go after them for misrepresentation?

No. Don't try to get the Three Amigos out of guilt. Any way you approach this, they screwed up big time because of their egos.

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Submitted by cleo on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 2:41pm.

It seems to me that you have nothing better to do but b!*#h about
commissioners that have stood up for what is wrong within the sheriff's department. Not many people seem to have the b!##s to do it
and when they do all hell breaks loose. I have no respect for the sheriff or Bruce Jordan and it will all come public in the end of
wrongdoings. It's not over PTC Guy.

Submitted by snark on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 3:02pm.

Okay, I can't be the only one who's starting to picture Linda Blair here.

Submitted by cleo on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 3:10pm.

There are others out here that know things about our "grand"
sheriff's department and no, I am not Linda!

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 5:02pm.

If you clowns know so much how come you only speak in inuendo and foundationless accusations?

Give us some FACTS before the election. Not this mindless blathering.

You want to embarass me, the say something meaningful. Otherwise you are just making fools of yourselves.

And it is amazing how all your posts read as if from the same person.

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Submitted by cleo on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 7:40pm.

You work for the Sheriff, don't you! Control, intimidate, scare
tactics and so on. I know how they operate. The day will come
and Humpty Dumpties will fall. You get the picture PTCGuy!

Submitted by tonto707 on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 5:40am.

people had anything that was front page on the sheriff you would have already used it. But not to worry, in less than a week it will be a new day and there will be only one amigo left to sit on the side and watch.

Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 7:37am.

tonto, it takes higher up and time to make front page news for the
good ole boys but it will happen. You think new commissioners will
stop it --- I don't think so! Gee, you boys are naive or just plain
stupid. See ya !

Submitted by snark on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 8:04pm.

PTC Guy and Git Real must scare you silly. It's imperative to you that they stop talking. I wonder why.

With PTC Guy I assume it's his consistent presentation of the facts. You want him to stop doing that right away and I don't blame you since he's not easily intimated.

I wonder what it is about Git Real. It must be more than his support for Jack Smith since others here also support him.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 7:48pm.

You are wrong on all counts.

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Submitted by cleo on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 8:15pm.

on all counts Mister Know it all!

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 8:26pm.

You are very stupid.

I am self-employed and have been for 20 years.

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Submitted by cleo on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 9:33pm.

So your self employed. The facts are about the sheriff department-
not you Mr. Bigshot! You seem to be a know it all about everything.
Your 24-7 on blog. I don't care who you are but your an idiot.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 10:01pm.

So your self employed.

But you insisted I worked for the Sheriff. And that you were right.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

The facts are about the sheriff department-
not you Mr. Bigshot!

Now trying to run away from you claims!

Wrong on me. Wrong on the Sheriff.

You seem to be a know it all about everything.
Your 24-7 on blog. I don't care who you are but your an idiot.

Oh, my, my. Zealous that I know when to talk and when to keep quiet. As in when I know what I am talking about and when I don't.

Now, run along, go back 'undercover' and pout. Oh, yea. Stay there until you are willing to actually post the 'facts' against the Sheriff you claim exist.

Ooooops! Cannot post what does not exist, or else you would have plastered them all over the place.

You just are not smart enough to know when to shut up. A true sign of idiot.

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Submitted by cleo on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 10:48pm.

When Fayette County Sheriff Dept. hits front page news
then you will learn something new but until then I have
to be quiet. Go take a chill pill and quit your venting.
Until tomorrow Mr. Know it all.

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 10:57pm.

You've already thrown your hubby under the bus with that same old line. One thing for sure is that PTC Guy does not know it all. But you have to credit his research abilities. You ought to try it once in a while. You're really turning into a really bitter and nasty skank. Move on already.


Submitted by cleo on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 11:05pm.

This is not Janet-guess your just as much an idiot as PTC Guy!
Your the skank Great One. You two need to get a life or maybe
join the sheriff department and join in on all the good stuff
they get into. (If you know what I mean!)

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 11:14pm.

or which ever one of the Fayette County Republican Manhaters Whine and Cheese Club you are.

No...I called you skank first. I know I am but what are you? Yeeesh!

Show the proof or shut the frank up. Goodness...no wonder you don't have a man.


Submitted by cleo on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 11:20pm.

I am none of those people and I have a man.
"The truth is out there!" Be patient idiot.
Shut up and go to bed! Ya da Ya da Ya da

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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 11:32pm.

I've certainly been called worse by a lot better. Listen up sweet cheeks.....We've been waiting on your version of the truth for many weeks. Either s#!t or git off the pot.

Who in their right mind would work so hard to suppress and hide the truth? Give me something tangible to switch my vote to Linda for.

Signed...The Idiot.


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 11:54pm.

Put up or shut up. I don't need to bother to put my talking points out there. The Citizen, the judge, and your Linda and Greg's own statements along with the other idiots like me...PTC Guy and many, many others have documented and bottom lined this issue long ago. Based on FACT many of us have formed our positions on the baseless lawsuits against the sheriffs department.

If you have "proof" to add then git it out in the open. Otherwise shut the frank up so we can move onto other issues.

Signed...The Idiot


Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 12:16am.

ITS MORE THAN FINANCES INVOLVED MACHO MAN.
The sheriff and Jordan have stepped over
the line too many times with too many people
Facts can't come out right now because it
would blow everything but wait and see what
happens. It will blow you away! They can't
get by with all the crap that goes on and has
been going on for years. I don't have to give
details smart!!! Sweet dreams

Submitted by snark on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 11:44am.

So you have beans to spill, but you can't spill them now?

Facts can't come out right now because it
would blow everything

I see. You're waiting for the ideal time. Like maybe in a court of law? No wait. You were just in a court room. Several times. hmmmm.

Maybe you're waiting to use what you have to save your husband's election? No, that can't be it. If you'd had it, you'd have used it for sure then.

Oh wait. Maybe you're waiting until you can get in there and realize scrutinize the records.... No, that can't be it either.

Okay, I give up. What are we waiting for? Because I think there are no beans.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 7:41am.

Don't wear it out.

It would take an idiot to take you at your word. So, what does that make you for thinking anyone would?

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Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 7:52am.

Guy, than nobody would understand. Scandals, cover-ups,
property taken and more. This will all come out in the
near future. So you blog amigos keep that bubble around
you because you have no clue! Wait and see

Submitted by lifeinptc on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 2:34pm.

What happened to your blog rules? This sounds like baseless slander and name calling.

Submitted by snark on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 12:03pm.

I'll take a guess. Let's see... maybe the Sheriff's Dept. ordered a computer he said he needed for work, but you've discovered that computer came pre-loaded with spider solitaire. A game!

Are we so stupid we'd believe the sheriff didn't know he was ordering a game?

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 8:10am.

How convenient it will not come out until after the run off.

You have thrown around a lot of words and terms loosely. Without some facts they are meaningless.

We have no idea if you are making something up, had something happen or are ticked because you, or someone close to you, got nailed in a legal action.

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Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 8:52am.

I am not making something up or got nailed in a legal action.
Bottom line is they crossed the line awhile back amigo.
Can't give you details right now-it would blow my cover.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 9:00am.

Are you posting at all?

If you fear your cover blown, you sure would not want to attract any attention.

And, if smart enough to be in on somethng of this scale, then you should be smart enough to know just popping onto the forum, with no track record, attacking so strongly, without any proof offered, and then asking us to just take your word for it carries no weight and is not persuasive, at all.

You should know better than to think this will sway votes in your direction.

At this point in time, we are seeing this as another deceptive ploy, on top of the other ones attempted over time here.

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Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 9:19am.

I don't fear my cover blown bud. At this point in time it really
does't matter about votes and who is in or who is out. I don't
have to show proof-just making a point and that point is about the sheriff department. I don't care about what you think-just adding
facts. That is the trouble around here---everyone is afraid to
speak the truth until it is too late. The truth will be known but
just be patient. We have!

Submitted by snark on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 12:11pm.

This means some deputy submitted his invoice for his uniform allowance. Greg and his forensic team then found that deputy's little girl's fingerprints on the invoice! Do you really think that's a legitimate invoice for police clothes if it had his daughter's fingerprints on it? Do you?

The truth will be known but just be patient. We have!

Translation - we have alerted the media, told Duffy where to look for the invoice and any minute now you'll read about it in the Atlanta paper.

Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 2:07pm.

Your funny snark-enough about the uniform crap!

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Submitted by tortugaocho on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 2:20pm.

Undercover, you just don’t understand politics, do you ? Randall won and now he and Bruce get to do what they want. Of course they had something to hide or they would not have fought this tooth and nail. Probably penny ante stuff. You got to hand it to Randall, though, since he did a masterful job avoiding an inquiry and sending Dunn to the political woodshed. Now what will happen is Randall, the Commissioners and the lawyers will all come to a consensus, make a deal making everybody happy and then all of this will be old hat. Sure, some deputies have been improperly demoted, etc., over the years but thats politics and that how Brucie runs it. No judge, no GBI or anyone else is going to change that.


Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 2:42pm.

Was this Randall and Brucies doings? No duh! They didn't want the
pot to get stirred even more. What a laugh to see Randall wearing
a shirt saying Dunn is done-no respect for Randall here. What is
the etc. fella? Alot more than being improperly demoted! Seems to
me that everytime someone gets on the trail that trail seems to
disappear! They are not above the law tortu! Its not over.

Submitted by tonto707 on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 5:43pm.

did anyone see the ad in today's Citizen news? Is Linda Wells so bad that every elected official in the county is endorsing Jack Smith?

Well, hell, we know the answer to that. When have you ever seen so many high profile people working to get someone unelected?

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 9:31am.

Plenty here not afraid to speak the truth. False accusation.

Don't claim to add facts when you have given none. False truth claim.

And don't lecture me on patience. You came on here, impatiently wanting people to see things differently when you have said nothing.

If the facts will come out, as you claim, then you should have had the patience to let them come out and let them speak for themselves.

Throwing a bunch of words around is meaningless. Claims without substance, until proof is offered.

Offer it or take you own advice, be patient. Be be silent until the proof is out. What you are doing now is nothing but annoying.

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Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 9:38am.

Get a life! You talk about alot of nothing. I'm not wasting
anymore of my time on your ignorance. You have talked so
high and mighty about the sheriff dept. for weeks now and
I just added my comments. Down on the sheriff depart.
End of conversation idiot!

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 10:09am.

Perhaps you are right and Git Real and PTC Guy are Idiots. Let's just say for the sake of conversation we'll give you that one.

With that established you have absolutely no credibiltiy with anything you have said thus far other than you hate the sheriffs department. You have that right. But until you provide evidence to back your ravings then you need to once again shut your frank hole up.

I'm not wasting anymore of my time on your ignorance.
Well yes dear we are ignorant of your situation. You make allegations of wrong doings and state that it is not related to the election at all. OK fine. Then shut up and when you're ready to bring forth your case then do it. If the sheriffs department is in the wrong then I think you will find us going after the bad apple. So until then....once again..... either put up or shut up.

I think I might know which sour grape you are. You are part of a former high profile case. I might be wrong but you might be outed yet.

Talk to you later you evil doer.

Signed an Ignorant Idiot


Submitted by Eliza on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 1:45pm.

"I think I might know which sour grape you are. You are part of a former high profile case."

I was thinking exactly the same thing as I read her/his posts. I recall a certain belligerent tone of (im)maturity.

Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 10:28am.

I was ready to end this conversation but one more of the trio has
to chime in as usual. Yes, we all have the right to voice our
opinion and boy did I get you guys stirred up! Sorry but I know
which high profile case you are talking about where the guy was
framed by you know who. We are another case on going. By the way amigo, spellcheck! You and your blog amigos are the sour grapes
Later idiot

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 10:59am.

I was ready to end this conversation but one more of the trio has to chime in as usual.

Once again all you have to do is simply shut up or put up.

If you were to shut up then wouldn't you think we would do the same? Stirred up?????? Whatever you want to call it. I think you're the one that is stirred up.

Question though.... By the tone of and the quality of your bloggings you must be between the ages of 16 to 20 years old. Question little lady... Wouldn't you think a reasonable person might question unsubstatiated and baseless accusations? Come on now be reasonable. You have given no one anything to go on that would give any credibility to your statements? Again....Why would anyone leave accusations like that go unchallenged? Help me out here dear.

Signed the Bad Spelling Sour Grape Ignorant Idiot Blog Amigo.


Submitted by snark on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 3:12pm.

I see it now. Except she must surely be in her early twenties now.

And it's just a coincidence she chimed in with the wine and cheese posters.

Submitted by cleo on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 2:04pm.

Age is wrong, high profile case is wrong (but I know who you mean!)
I already told you that guy was framed. Just got in and noticed
some of you don't seem to understand much of anything that goes on
around here. Baseless accusations? Ha-I don't think so! You guys
kill me because you are so gullable to the bu#%s!*! that goes on
around here behind closed doors. Don't let some of these guys fool
ya because I'm aware of the good ol boys. Just don't get yourselves in such an uproar-Geez!

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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 12:25pm.

and the rest of the crew - duh!!! Been out of town and busy, so haven't blogged in quite some time. I have absolutely nothing to contribute to this exchange except to say I DO enjoy reading this forum, y'all make me laugh (that's meant in a good way). Y'all keep on keeping on, I need my happy breaks!


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 1:28pm.

Missed ya and welcome back. One of them the other day called me the "Great One". I thought that was a little much but I took it as a compliment. Get to work and start blogging.

The Bad Spelling, Sour Grape, Ignorant Idion, Blog Amigo, Mobster, Great One.

Oh by the way...Your Monicker? Indian - Hindu by chance? Smiling


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Submitted by eodnnaenaj1 on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 3:16pm.

but I honestly liked Git Real. And I love the haircut, no matter what anyone says.

Monicker . . .Indian-Hindu . . .nope, very simple, play word find (backwards/forwards/etc) and you will see.


Submitted by Sailon on Tue, 08/01/2006 - 12:58pm.

I don't disagree with what you say. However, you must realize that most any county of much size will somehow spend 1-2 million dollars in total for legal problems. Why? Lawyers have to make a living. Only guaranteed job I know of that will always pay for a living, or more. Since judges, and many legislators are lawyers, it will always be that way. Who gets paid first at the settlement of a law suit, or of an asset transaction, or a home sale? It is law!

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