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There has to be a way to get affordable housing in Tyrone without resorting to stacking apartments. High, I happen to know a few builders, and I am going to seriously speak with them to see if there can be some sort of one-story affordable housing made. I love police officers, and I am sorry that they aren't paid enough, but that is another issue to be discussed at a later time. People who work in restaurants or in retail stores don't even make enough to get by, but again that is another issue. Income problems can not be solved with affordable housing, but affordable housing can help. I don't want to try and convince anyone to move to Morrow, or anywhere else, so don't twist my comments. (Even though twisting makes everything more fun.) I just would prefer the one story homes over the apartments. What do you think about modular homes? Those are cheap and one story.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 6:47am.

There’s a distinction a lot of people seem to miss. People who are against apartments often fail to appreciate that apartments and condos are essentially the same thing, except that apartments are rented and condos are owned.

While condos may foster pride of ownership, they are expensive in many ways, especially when they are sold, because they occasion real estate commissions and legal fees that eat up a lot of money.

Would those who favor houses over apartments be in favor of rental houses? Probably not.

Moving out of a $150,000 home that one has to sell may take a few months (when the house may be vacant and yet require maintenance) and cost, between the buyer and the seller, over $10,000. To move from or into rental housing costs essentially nothing, involves little wasted time, and there’s an opportunity to move every year at lease renewal time. The extra cost of moving before lease-end is usually pretty reasonable too.

Too many people turn up their nose at rental housing. Rental housing is a good solution for a lot of people.

Quite a few people worry about our having housing that teachers and police officers can afford. One problem our society has created for itself is providing generous and early pensions for teachers and police officers. These pensions have great value and yet they don’t put money in their pockets during their working lifetime. Perhaps we should cut down on the pensions and pay them more up front. Then they could afford to live where they work.


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Submitted by Nice1 on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 10:53am.

Apartments kill property value, which is why I suggested a duplex-type home, townhome or modular home option. They also make traffic worse. Right now, Hwy 74 gets really congested at times. I just don't think it's a good idea to stack the aparments. Could you give me an example of an area that increased in property value after apartments were added?

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 10:52am.

No.

Having lived in an apartment and owned an condo, before moving here, they most assuredly are not the same thing.

Rentals reduce the value of surrounding homes. Too many rentals in a condo or any other community also reduce home values.

Why do you think associations put restrictions on the number of rentals allowed?

Because:
1. More than about 10% rentals reduce home values.
2. Renters do not maintain property as well as those who own property.
3. Associations have far more difficult times with rules and other violatins by renters.
4. Rentals are less stable neighborhoods. Turn over is much higher.

There are very good reasons for not wanting apartments and rentals.

Does that mean every renter is a problem and owners never are? No.

But the % of this being reality is too high to ignore.

Some rental is needed. But not as a regular housing solution.

As you say, it is excellent for tansitioning, sometimes.

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Keeping it real and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals.


Submitted by FCHSalumni on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 10:41am.

I appreciated your comments concerning apartments. I know a lot of people in Fayette County consider apartments and rental homes to be a horrific thing but for some of us, it has been the only affordable option out there. What's better? To pay your rent on time in an apartment/house or buy a house you cannot afford and go into foreclosure?

I moved from my parents' house in Fayette County in 1996 to be closer to my job. I rented an apartment in the Holcomb Bridge area. Since then I've lived in other apartments or rental homes with roommates until I got married in 2003. We just bought our first home in North DeKalb. All of the apartment complexes (in Cobb, Fulton and DeKalb) I lived in were clean, safe and relatively crime free.

Are some apartment complexes havens for crime? Absolutely. Are all of the residents living in them degenerates and low-life scum? No. Sometimes it's all they can afford until they save enough to buy a house.

As for the original poster's questions concerning modular homes, I suggest looking at what's going on up in Northwest Cobb/Paulding County, a rural area experiencing a boom. They have one-story ranch-style condos for sale that look really attractive. And they're not crammed together.

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Submitted by Nice1 on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 10:56am.

Do you know the names of any of the builders that built the modular homes in those counties? I would love to check them out. I will research this to see if maybe we can come up with some type of solution.

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Submitted by kimberlyinptc on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 1:20am.

Not sure, but I think zoning probably prevents them here in Fayette. Your can-do attitude about this issue is admirable. But I think the good people of Tyrone have a right to not want apartments in their community. Don't let someone like HighGreen make you feel like a bad person for not wanting multi-level super density apartments around. If someone can't afford to live in Tyrone, PTC, or wherever...sorry. I can't afford to live on the Chattachoochee in North Fulton county cause I don't have the extra $3 million but I'm not mad about it. I live in the best area I can afford.
Cops know what the pay is when they choose their profession, as do school teachers, firefighters, etc. The problem of paying our brave public servents enough would be less of a problem if more of our tax dollars went to their benefit instead of to welfare moms and outrageous pork spending by our idiot elected officials.


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Submitted by Nice1 on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 11:16am.

Also, I forgot to say. I know that paying welfare is frustrating, but it really does help to keep society going if used correctly. The government is always trying to make changes in that area. I have been trying to think of ideas that I could send to some of our elected officials in regards to regulating it better, but I don't know enough about it to come up with a plan, but that is something that I will read into. On the pork spending, it happens. When people see money, sometimes they loose all restraint.

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Submitted by Nice1 on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 11:07am.

I know that police officers and teachers would like to live closer to where they work. Most people who pick those positions don't think about money, but they think about people. I feel that it would be irresponisible of me not to think of them. I hope I can help to find some type of solution. If zoning prevents the modulars, maybe there is a way to change the rules a little. I know that there are some single-wide/double-wide manufactured homes in the area. I don't think that anymore of those should be built; those that are here should be grandfathered in, of course, but I believe that the modulars would be a great alternative. I really like the ranch condo idea for an solution to the apartment problem. I hope that goes somewhere.

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Submitted by Sailon on Sat, 07/29/2006 - 7:28am.

By no means! Our cops wouldn't live in the same neighborhood as hispanics or blacks, now would they? And I might add, vice-versa!
As to paying schoolteachers, cops, firemen, waitresses, etc., a decent wage so they can buy a $175,000 house (plain in a cheap area) well, I don't think you would do that if given the chance. Fayette tax dollars aren't used very much for welfare Moms, and the only pork around goes to developers.

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Submitted by Nice1 on Wed, 08/02/2006 - 11:24am.

First of all, there are some police officers that are completely, or partially, black or hispanic. When you stated, "I don't think you would do that if given the chance", referring to paying more taxes to ensure others can have a decent wage. You don't know me well enough to make that assumption. Also, I agree that welfare moms aren't getting the Fayette dollars, and as far as the pork goes, it depends on who has access, and what their intentions are.

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