Vietnam: the real deal

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I may have been 12 or 13-ish when my now deceased father told me this, but I'll never forget it.

He served in Vietnam, and he said it was nothing "to walk around the streets and see a 13-year-old kid point a gun at him and say [I'll delete the expletive]: FU GI."

Now my father didn't serve in the infantry, he was part of the public affairs unit. Cozy desk job eh? Apparently not all the time.

In the last year I stumbled upon a commendation awarded him for going out in the field of combat so he could accurately report on the activity for the folks back home. My old man could've sat back and accepted what everyone told him, but he risked his life to witness the horror first hand.

Anyway, war is hell and from all accounts in Iraq it still is even though we don't have the casualty losses we had back then. If the Iraqis can't start to handle things on their own however, we're probably wasting our time over there. A shame.

I'm rooting for the Iraqis, and I know better than to drink the mainstream media koolaid, but we should've knocked down insurgents enough by now to reduce forces, or we need to double the troops and execute a real crackdown. Easy for me to say, though, as it's not my keister nor my son's who would be on the line.

When it comes down to it, I'm a real chicken(expletive). I hate it, but I have my reasons, and they're four years and eight months old, respectively.

My heart goes out to folks in the military. As one of the Greatest Generation pointed out to me recently, our current military should be highly respected because they all "volunteered." In other words, they weren't drafted.

Alright bloggers, blast away. Munford the coward, whatevah. I've got campaign contribution reports to type.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 11:40am.

As Git Real said. Only a fool isn't afraid of war.

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Submitted by Sailon on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 8:27am.

I think you meant to say "if the Iraqis CAN'T handle it on their own, not CAN. They can't and won't. It has been four years and it is worse than when it started--no real agreement between sects--hadn't been one for four thousand years--we kn ew all that, just wanted to stop Saddam from the Saudi oil.

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Submitted by John Munford on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 2:00pm.

Yes, I was in error. Thanks for catching it; it's been edited accordingly.


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 7:59am.

If one doesn't fear war then he is a fool. If your kids were under assault there is no doubt you would rise to the occassion. I did not serve. I would not want to go to war. And I know I would tremble much in the foxhole. However, there is no doubt that I would do whatever had to be done to protect my family, neighbors and country.

With that said I am sure that your dad, PTC Guy, and many other vets (yes Greg too) have had to deal with tremendous fear when being put into a situation where your life could end instantly. Our country is not perfect and the wars we fight are entered into with the best of intentions. The results are sometimes less than desireable and often times there are no clear cut solutions. However, if we do nothing what would the results be? Those answers we do not have and I'm not sure we should waste our time going at each others throats on that one. But for some shameless piece of dirt to come on here to ridicule the honorable service of the men and women who put themselves at risk to protect us from various threats around the world is beyond description and inexcusable.

Thanks Greg Dunn, PTC Guy, Big Daddy (I think) and all you guys for your service.


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Submitted by WakeUp on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 10:43am.

Hey man. Great comments. Everyone who has served out country deserves our thanks.

No, I have not been banned. Just fed up with some of the junk on here. I wish this was a news site and not a forum for trashing restaurants, religion and promoting alternative life styles. But free speech works both ways; if I don't like it, I don't have to participate. But I will be back and become active and assist in contributing truly conservative views and opinions.

See ya soon.


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Submitted by WakeUp on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 10:04pm.

Too many posts and you did not see mine. I posted again so you would get here.

See ya. Also I commented on the "voting today" blog.

Have a good night.


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 10:16pm.

Welcome back. Just jump in and do your part. I'll be glad when this election is over. Everyones made up their minds and I'm weary of trying to straigten Cal out on his endorsements. Guess he's made up his mind so there's no use chiming in anymore. Hope that goes for Peter too.

We gotta make it a goal after next Tuesday to accept the results and change the topics for a while. Give the new guys or the old ones time to settle in. If they do a good job we stay off their backs. If they betray us....they'll be fair game. Plus if I don't change the subject I may lose my job and then John will have to cover my duties also.


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Submitted by secret squirrel on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 12:03pm.

I wish this was a news site and not a forum for trashing restaurants, religion and promoting alternative life styles... But I will be back and become active and assist in contributing truly conservative views and opinions.

The funny thing is that I pretty much ignore all the posts people here make because the posting function on this site has revealed little more than right-wing, Christians-only, xenophobic and bigoted mentalities. Well, that and the fact that certain people can't let 4 minutes go by without posting another of their ceaseless and unending comments about every single issue raised here while complaining that others post too much, under aliases or otherwise.

Love the irony that a right-winger complains that this site is too liberal. Don't forget to write-in Attila on your ballot on the 18th.


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Submitted by WakeUp on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 2:06pm.

Secret Squirrel, if you believe that most of the posts are "right-wing, Christians-only, xenophobic and bigoted mentalties", then you cannot be reading all of them. Please indicate where I have complained in my post this site was too liberal. I simply stated an opinion. In fact, I even acknowledged that if I did not like the forum, I did not have to participate. So, in this day of where the so called left is tolerant, where is the tolerance in my opinions?

My point stands; many of the posts deal with nail salons, 3 Dollar Cafe (that thread seems to have died down, finally), My Space, gay rights (that was several weeks back), proper grammar, "your" vs. "you're" and the ever popular "let's guess who Janet is pretending to be this week". The posts come so quickly, I can post something and it can drop off the short or expanded list before someone even gets a chance to read it.

Sorry if my right wing views are offensive, but they are mine and I wish to share them.

ps: Atilla is dead and is only qualified to run or vote in Chicago.


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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 12:55pm.

The funny thing is that I pretty much ignore all the posts people here make because the posting function on this site has revealed little more than right-wing, Christians-only, xenophobic and bigoted mentalities.

Look up the definition of bigot. You just defined yourself in your statement.

A bigot will not discuss or tolerate hearing the opinions of those who not agree with them.

Thus, we who disagree, with each other, but discuss the facts, are not bigots.

You, who censor out and refuse to discuss why other disagree with you, are a fine example of a bigot.

It is one thing to disagree with another. It is quite something else to have to lay exremely negative labels upon all who do not agree with you.

You see me as a Christian bigot. I will discuss, with you, why I disagree. You just walk away, unwilling to discuss with me why I a wrong.

Catch is the proof issues. You are based soley on your feelings and wants. I try to have evidence to back how I think.

Well, that and the fact that certain people can't let 4 minutes go by without posting another of their ceaseless and unending comments about every single issue raised here while complaining that others post too much, under aliases or otherwise.

I would rather have one post in too wordy a fashion, but at least try to explain something, than see people like you, who just make a declaration and walk away.

Again, the sign of a bigot.

Love the irony that a right-winger complains that this site is too liberal. Don't forget to write-in Attila on your ballot on the 18th.

Atilla was right wing? That is hysterical.

Next thing you know communism will be called right wing. As will be Lenin and Trotsky.

Your idea of tolerance is shades of gray and lowest common denominator.

Some of believe there are such things as right and wrong. And that the lowest common denominator is not the place to be.

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Submitted by allin on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 8:56am.

I have to jump on your shirt tale for that piece, thank you "men and women who put and have put themselves at risk" to protect the rest of us, our families and this great country. Your efforts are truly appreciated.

I will not waste "the shameless piece of dirt to come on here to ridicule the honorable service" my time - very well stated
Git Real.

Love and Kisses

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Submitted by DragNet on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 9:23am.

Most serve honorably in the Armed Forces, but we should not close our eyes to the abuses brought about by the bad apples. Now, what is really concerning is when those abuses are instigated, encouraged or covered up by ranking officers and government officials and they become "business as usual" and the acceptable norm of conduct. The dismissal attitude of the laws of war and the humanitarian imperative by Rumsfeld and Co. are a shame. "Something is rotten in Denmark".

Furthermore, why is it so hard to accept that we, as a country, have made mistakes in siding with dictators just because that serves our interests, at the suffering of millions? Did't we side with Saddam when Irap was at war with Iran? Didn't we supported Osama bin Laden when he was a Mujahedeen fighting the Soviets? Didn't we support human right abusers regimes in Central America in the 80s for fear and paranoia of Communism?

In the meantime, we keep babbling about North Korea who in fact, has already fired missiles. Bush messed up in Iraq. Like it or not, only Saddam was able to control the sectarian groups at odds for thousands of years. By misdirecting and misguiding our military to the wrong (or the less dangerous) enemy, we have dropped the ball in Afghanistan and the little guy in North Korea is laughing at our inaction.

All I'm saying is that our current "leaders" in Washington don't get it.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Tue, 07/11/2006 - 11:59am.

But you dwell on the bad apples. And make a mockery of the majority in uniform.

Your comments on Nam had nothing good in them. You painted all Vets as criminals.

John Kerry represents why many things went bad in Nam and why the insergents are encouraged to keep fighting in Iraq.

Every bad thing that comes out has your ilk screaming at the top of their lungs.

Every good thing and you are dead silent.

Don't try to talk your way out of it now, by shifting hears. You are a liberal that sees no good in any war.

I am sure you would have been protesting us being in WWI & II. Probably even the Revolutionary War.

You have no balance in what you say. Your true feeling explode out.

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