Greg Dunn's 40 % ???

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Greg Dunn states; “In fact, since I became chairman, residential building permits have been reduced 40 percent.”

Mr. Dunn, or anyone, can you tell me how you arrived at this number?

The summary reports for building reports listed on the Fayette County WEB site show that for 2004 there were 326 building permits issued for new houses. There were 316 building permits issued in 2005. That’s approximately a 4% difference.

The WEB site doesn’t list the summary data for 2002 – 2004 and I’m not going to sift trough it all. If someone wants to do it the WEB address is:

http://www.admin.co.fayette.ga.us/bldg_permits/permits_bldg.htm

Where is Greg Dunn getting 40%.

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Residential Housing Permits Reduced by 44%
Submitted by Janet on Sat, 07/01/2006 - 9:45am.

Here are the actual numbers from the official county reports:
1998 (the year before Greg got on the Board) = 574
1999 (his first year) = 524
2000 = 401
2001 = 305 (year he became Chairman)
2002 = 341
2003 = 284
2004 = 333
2005 = 321

If you subtract 321 from 574, you get the number 253. If you do the math you'll see it's actually a 44% decrease. Anyone who would like to see the documents to back up the numbers is welcome to stop by the County offices and ask for them. The numbers indicate a continuing decline from where it had been in previous administrations.

Yes, the cities have annexed and they have increased density in the cities. The law allows the cities to annex land and when they do, they can and do increase density. The county has opposed them in many cases and they also try to work with the cities to reduce the density even when they do annex. The county has no control or say in what the cities may decide to do after they annex.

If the county commission wasn't keeping the density down in the unincorporated county we would be overwhelmed with growth.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 07/01/2006 - 11:37am.

Thank you for taking the time to get this information.


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Questions, Janet
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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/01/2006 - 10:13am.

I need to see real numbers. What were the number of applications versus approvals for each of those years?

Hello, there have been big economic impacts that also have affected building.

Also, as construction occurs there are less acres available to pick from for the 'ideal' locations.

Plus, every annexation reduces the acreage the county controls.

And what is with this garbage the County has the right control control City growth? When in the world did that become a reality? When were counties put in charge of cities?d In ANY state?

Please provide those requested stats so we can see some real numbers.

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I'll see if I can find those
Submitted by Janet on Sat, 07/01/2006 - 12:00pm.

I'll see if I can find those numbers for you, but I think you might have to go into the County office to get them as there may be too many numbers to try and post on here. I don't know that anyone has pulled those actual numbers together - but I'll ask.

Yes, there are economic impacts, but Fayette County is one of the most desirable places in the entire Atlanta region to live. It hasn't slowed the number of people wanting to come into the community much, if any. My bet would be that if anything we've probably seen an increase in the number of people wanting to develop in the county, but that is MY personal opinion and I'll wait for the facts! That's a great question and I'm as curious as you are now.

There are tons of wonderful places left in the county and there are many who want to develop them. Luckily we have a County Commission that does everything within their power to keep the growth down.

Yes, annexation does decrease the area the county controls. I hope everyone who is trying to keep density down and keep our quality of life as great (or better Eye-wink) than it currently is will get involved in keeping up with what their individual cities are doing in regards to development, annexations, etc.

I believe (and this is just my personal belief) if you took into consideration the amount of land being annexed into the cities it might affect the 44% number some, but even if it dropped it to 38% to 42% factoring in the annexations, it's still something good, if not great!

I'm not sure about the comment about the County and City growth??? I didn't say or even imply that County's were in charge of cities. I was very clear in saying that the county had NO control over what the cities did. They try to work in conjunction with the cities to get them to decrease density when possible, but again, the county has no control over what the cities may decide to do.

I'll try to get the stats. But if they are available, anyone reading this can get their hands on them as easily as I can. I'm going 500 miles a minute right now with the campaign (and all the "normal" things I do like work!), and the county's offices won't be open until Wednesday (I'm working on Wednesday), so it might be he end of the week before I can get the numbers if they're available. Probably what I'll try to do is post them on Greg's website for you (www.ElectGregDunn.org or www.ElectGregDunn.com) since this thread will be way down the list by the time I get them.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/01/2006 - 12:18pm.

Those numbers are the real numbers that tell the facts.

Just dropping a link, here, would be very nice.

My point on the County and annexation issues was the article, on your husband trying to extend County say-so on city annexation. That is just down right wrong to even attempt to do.

I just see phrasing by your husband I don't like. Such as they extended a PTC sewer connection to a county area building, instead of they gave the building permission to connect IF PTC would allow it.

Putting it all together I get the impact of wanting way more power than is either good, healthy or possible.

But thanks, again, for the reply.

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building permits and 40%
Submitted by tonto707 on Sat, 07/01/2006 - 6:04am.

If you had access to the permits taken in 2002 you might find that indeed the # of permits was substantially higher than today. I believe the Planning and Zoning office could provide those numbers for every year.I can think of two tracts that they have recently zoned that will together add 200 houses, and of course there are more.

But that isn't all of the story. What Greg Dunn didn't tell you is that the cities have annexed and zoned much higher density housing and that the total # of permits in the county including the cities is probably not much lower than 2002 #s.

The 124 acres they recently zoned is about 50% unbuildable so when they throw around the 2 acre lot size averaging they are being a little deceitful. Only about 75 acres of that tract was buildable, so when you calculate 20% for streets, you wind up with 59 houses on 60 acres and that adds up to one acre zoning.

So Dunn spins the facts to his own liking, not unlike most politicians. Robert M Morgan said it best, all the more reason to vote for Maxwell and Smith.

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40%
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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sat, 07/01/2006 - 5:26am.

These are numbers pulled out of the air that sound right to the candidate and usually go unchecked by the voters - until recently when every single fact and untruth about all subjects is somewhere on the internet and available to anyone with the time a curiousity to search.

One more reason - Maxwell and Smith.


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Maxwell and Smith
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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 07/01/2006 - 9:30am.

For better or worse this is my gut feeling on how to vote as well.

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