I swear Cal, I didn't post this.

Listen all you have to do is read carefully....IN ALMOST ALL MY POSTS I HAVE SAID IF IT APPLIES TO YOU THEN OWN UP TO IT, IF IT DOESN'T THEN DON'T WORRY. So why do you get all bothered by what I put if it doesn't apply to you? It's KIDS like you that make it sound like everything else the other kids are doing is ok.

I'm speaking from first hand information. It's all real..But I don't have to defend myself to you. You can get on this site and defend yourself and all your peers as far as I'm concerned. Just keep patting them on the back.

I never said you were a "BAD KID". If you've got nothing to hide then why do you get so defensive? Good for you if you tell your PARENTS where you are at. But it takes MORE than that. ALOT MORE...Go ahead and make jokes about parents being with their kids 24 hrs a day, or putting a device on them...Remember one day you might be a PARENT and when you have a CHILD and don't know what they are up to you are not going to feel as tough as you sound now! Have a great day!

The way all these teenagers are acting up, I propose that we make it a city law that all minors be with an adult 24/7. Anytime they are not in school, they must be with a camp counselor, after school club, team sport (with coach), or parent.

No minors left unsupervised. Perfect solution. If they don't like it, they can ask their parents to move.

I live on a major thru way for them to git to the course & I am convinced that almost all of trash in the complex is deposited by the old guys. Our street sign that is missing, I am sure is in some old guy's garage. The group that sang 'My Generation' also sang 'The Kids Are Alright'but they also sang 'Who Are You'

This was an accident by a milktoast 'gangsta' wannabe. No more a murder than one Thrasher killin' another in a car crash. I betcha even your lame self has come close to doin' someone in.

Hey that's a GREAT IDEA! Maybe we should advocate for getting GPS devices implanted into PC TEENS behinds. Or how about we just advocate for our TEENS to smoke dope (or whatever drugs), drink alcohol and play with guns legally? Geez now why didn't I think of that before?

Your worried about WHERE the PARENTS are? Well as I recall in my first blog I stressed that same sentiment! Usually SOME of the PARENTS have their heads stuck in their fancy clouds. They might as well be robots! (using robot voice) "MY-KID-IS-PERFECT!" "MY-POOR-CHILD-WAS-SCARED-THAT-NIGHT" “MY-CHILD-IS-INNOCENT” “MY –CHILD-WOULD-DO-NOTHING-WRONG” “MY-CHILD-IS-AN-ANGEL” "MY-CHILD-DOESN'T-SMOKE-OR-DRINK"... GOODNESS GRACIOUS!

THE BEST WAY TO TURN YOUR CHILDREN AGAINST YOU IS TO LET THEM KNOW YOU DONT TRUST THEM? HOW SAD I AM?

Excuse me…but how sad for you!

Of course TRUST is key in a PARENT/CHILD relationship. BUT COME ON HERE WE ARE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT “TRUST”. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PARENTS BEING NAÏVE ABOUT WHAT THEIR KIDS ARE REALLY UP TO. SO PLEASE DON’T GET THAT CONFUSED….

ANYHOW…PARENTS JUST PLEASE WAKE UP AND OPEN YOUR EYES! IT CAN’T BE THAT HARD. I PROMISE YOUR “FRIENDS” WON’T JUDGE YOU.

I agree with you completely

Knowing where the parents are is exactly what I am advocating, and the only way to find this out is to ask them. I believe in trusting children until you find that they have proved unworthy of trust. My children are precious to me, and I would hate to lose one of them (to murder or drug/alchol overdose) at the age of 18, as in the case of Dallas' parents. Keep in mind, that these are your children, not your peers. Something has happened where parents want to have the warm and fuzzy relationship with their children instead of continuing to "raise them properly" until they are out of the house and on their own.

You need to shut up and just get out of here. I for one did change my profile to "private" after viewing all these stupid comments on how people were looking things up on chris, dallas, and kevins myspaces. Guess what... we are teenagers... we joke around on our myspace. we might say we do 100000000000 drugs as a JOKE!!! we might kid around to our friends about smoking or doing crack because our friends (the only ones we expect to be reading our myspace) know we are kidding!!! i think its terrible that adults are going on these kids webpages and automatically making assumptions about them. I also think it is horrible of YOU to come lashing out at the kids that were at the party. just because a kid goes to a party where there is weed present doesnt meant they smoke it. just because there is alcohol present doesnt mean every kid there was drunk. If i for one had been at that party i would be scared to death right now. How dare you mock those kids who had to witness something as horrifying as this. How dare you say they arent really scared. You have no idea what those kids must be going through. Stop looking at teenage sites and get a life.

WELL YOU NEED TO STAY HERE AND KEEP ON READING! It's actually good to know you are reading the news online. Keep it up!
But Listen TEENAGERS...a bunch of you KIDS can get on this website and defend each other's ways and such...if that makes you feel better then by all means defend yourself...but you are not going to tell me that I'M TOTALLY WRONG IN EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SAID! Actually, I know I'm not ...I guess I've struck some nerves with everything I've said AND YOU ALL JUST DON’T LIKE IT CAUSE SOMEONE IS ACTUALLY ON TO YOUR NONSENSE!
What some of you should try doing is OWNING up to your mistakes and bad choices! That's part of growing up! Especially for the SOON-TO-BE 18 YEAR OLDS who think they are actually "ADULT" enough to make decisions! (Whoever came up with that rule was probably CRUNK themselves!) Well you all can make SOME decisions but choosing what beer to drink and whose house to drink it at doesn't count! (AGAIN I KNOW NOT ALL TEENAGERS ARE THIS WAY BUT FOR YOU GUILTY ONES THEN THIS APPLIES TO YOU!)
You say I shouldn't be snooping? WELL THEN WHY DON'T SOME OF YOU BE HONEST WITH YOUR PARENTS AND WITH YOURSELF! (AND TELLING YOURSELF THAT YOU LIKE TO GET CRUNK DOESN'T COUNT WITH BEING HONEST!) Maybe if some of the parents were snooping last week when Dallas got shot then they would've known that the other kid's parents weren't home while a "PARTY" that had drugs and alcohol involved, was taking place without their permission! And your myspace accounts? Oh Please! Stop trying to turn the tables on us and acting like it’s our fault at what you put on there! Even if you are kidding around you still make yourself sound and look STUPID! Oh but I see, it’s ALL THE ADULTS FAULT THAT YOU DO THAT. OH WE ARE THE ONE’S WHO NEED TO “GET A LIFE”. It’s YOUR FAULT AND IT’S YOUR PARENT’S FAULT FOR ALLOWING THAT TO TAKE PLACE!
You say I have no idea what the kids present that night are going through? That they had to "witness" such a sad horrible scene that night? GIVE ME BREAK! SOME, and I say SOME of those kids are still a little freaked out by what happened...BUT NOT ALL OF THEM. How embarrassing that SOME of those parents have let their children go out and about with their friends since that night took place like if nothing EVER happened. I’VE TOTALLY LOST RESPECT FOR THOSE PARENTS! YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF! WHAT ARE YOU BRINGING UP?????
Anyhow, I know I can talk till I'm blue in the face and you and your PARENTS STILL WON'T LISTEN...BUT MARK MY WORDS PARENTS...WHEN YOU SEE YOUR OWN KID LYING IN A COFFIN OR BEHIND BARS BECAUSE OF A DRUNK DRIVING ACCIDENT, OR BECAUSE THEY WERE HIGH ON SOMETHING DON'T BE CRYING AND THINKING WHAT YOU COULD'VE DONE DIFFERENTLY! AND KIDS THE OTHER WAY AROUND...WHEN YOUR PARENTS ARE LYING IN A COFFIN DON'T BE CRYING AT THEIR SIDE SAYING HOW SORRY YOU ARE FOR ALL THE THINGS YOU DID TO THEM!

ur freaking crazy

Maybe when you are older you will realize that typing "UR" makes you look stupid.

Ur, and others, are perfectly fine and acceptable usages in communications where your carrying on a conversations in written form.

We used them in Naval Intelligence, over 30 years ago, when we 'talked' to each other over teletypes and other such devices.

ur showing ur ignorance on this stuff. 2 many ppl use shorthand.

lol eom

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Keeping it real and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals.

thank you, some people just dont understand shorthand for typing

This is meant for the not so responsible ones out there.

If any of you had learned to read a newspaper, the funnies don’t count, or by some odd chance walked through the living room, without being stoned or buzzzzzed, while your parents were watching the news, you might have noticed a vary similar thing happening with your parents phone calls, emails, WEB sites and bank transfers.

Lets see, what do they call it, oh yes, now I remember, TRYING TO PROTECT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE from terrorists.

Well guess what, some parents are TRYING to protect there kids, from themselves.

I know that I’m asking for the impossible, yes I too was young, stupid and new I could live forever.

Has it ever entered your tiny pin head little mind that your parents would like you calibrate your 19th birthday?

P.S. If you don’t already know it, as dumb as you seem to be I can’t imagine you do, EVERYTHING you do on that computer can be traced. You can format the hard drive and it can still be recovered. EVERY email, WEB post and term paper (just kidding).

Try, just for the minuet your attention span can handle it, to get you head out of the sand and take a good hard look at the world around you. Try to imagine, with out the aid of hallucinogens,(look it up, I’m not going to tell you what it means), the world your parents have to endure every day so that you can live the life you do. Do you have any idea what the computer your typing on cost? When’s the last time you paid a utility bill, the mortgage, car payment, insurance, cloths and yes let us not forget the golfcart that you wrecked.

P.S. Marking your site “private” doesn’t do squat! See if the PCPD give a rats azz if it’s marked “private” or not.

Bottom line: If your my kid and I want to know what you're up to I can find out! Count on it.

just to let u know, even if they pcpd wants to check out a myspace page marked private, they cant unless they are that persons friends. its for safety not just secrecy. kids around here arent stupid and most of us, yes i say MOST of us do not do drugs and we understand that having a website can attract crazies, much like the people posting blogs on this site, as well as sex offenders, so us smart teens make our site private so that we can control who sees our site and who doesnt. u old people on here making these blogs about all the terrible teens in ptc must not have any kids who are teens because the majority of the people in my class who just graduated are responsible, are going to good colleges, and we arent doing anything to mess that up. so stop coming on here attacking all teenagers for a few mistakes at a party.

Since you posted your blog under my post I can assume you are referring to what it said.

What it said was, "This is meant for the not so responsible ones out there."

Apparently you fall in that category.

"they cant unless they are that persons friends."

Do you know anything about computers, networks, servers, routers or this thing called the internet?

If you just graduated from high school, please don't attempt a collage degree in computer science. You DON’T have what it takes.

“a few mistakes at a party.”

A boy died!

Thank GOD it was just a FEW mistakes.

You are a shining example of what all the posts in this blog are about.

and u are a shining example of an as*hole

sad, I see that you've been on the blog for a whole week now, good.

I invite you to keep posting. As long as you’re reading you might learn something.

Now read this:

The statement below is about the VA computer that was stolen and had 23.5 million SSN’s and other personnel data on it. One of your friends, maybe even your parents, may have told you about it.

“The FBI, in a statement from its Baltimore field office, said a preliminary review of the equipment by its computer forensic teams “has determined that the data base remains intact and has not been accessed since it was stolen.” More tests were planned.”

Now how do you think they know this?

Remember this; you don’t have to like me or anyone else that posts here. Just do the best you can to learn something from us before you make statements about things you know nothing about.

My kids are all grown.

If I had my parenting role to do over again, there is one thing that I would do differently.

I would snoop and pry into my teenagers' business *much* more than I did.

Parents, don't fall for the idea (as I pretty much did) that your kids have a "right to privacy" that you are violating if you look into their affairs. Why should anyone suppose that they have such a "right"? You're in charge and charged with a very daunting task in raising them. You need to know what they are doing--even what they are *thinking* in order to discharge your responsibility to them.

The degree to which you should do this depends largely upon them. Some kids really do *earn* your trust, and it calls for discernment on your part to know how much to trust them. (One bit of evidence: the ones who make the most noise about it--"You just don't TRUST me!"--are probably the ones you should trust the least.)

Generally, you should create an atmosphere such that there is a standing possibility that you'll be looking over their shoulders--or under their mattress. Follow up on them when they say they'll be some place. Check out their web pages if possible. Communicate DIRECTLY and OFTEN with their teachers. Get to know their friends and their friends' parents. Be prepared to forbid them from hanging with certain groups or going to certain places, and follow up! I believe it was Ronald Reagan who said, "Trust, but VERIFY!"

I wish I did have the whole thing to do over again, but only on the condition that I could retain what I have learned and apply it.

My kids are less than twelve. I will stay involved in their lives and fight for them if it requires butting in and doing my job. I love them them too much to surrender them to the world. It breaks my heart to see what our young people are exposed to and permitted to get away with.

Ok man. I'll play. If you say it I'll buy into it. As we are forty year old prozac popping old farts what credibility would any of us old folk have in this subject. We were never teenagers and how would we know that you are not telling the truth and were just joking. I forgot...you toked but never inhaled. How dumb of me. Yup we're buying it.

I guess we could use the same argument for the youth minister that got busted for what he wrote in the porn chat room. I wrote it and tried to soliciting a 14 year old child. But I was just kidding. Us perverts do that amongst friends.

GROW UP KID. YOU LIFE IS IN DANGER.

I just graduated from McIntosh and I have to say I am very insulted by some of these comments.

I myself have a myspace and changed mine to private after seeing all these comments. I don't have anything to hide, so why change it to private right? Well I changed it because obviously everything I write is going to be subjected to be critized and not by my peers, but by older people.

My mother has seen my myspace and doesn't find anything wrong with it. But apparently veryveryconcerned is under the impression that every single teenager who changes their myspace to private is a "bad kid."

If someone basically listened in on all of your phone conversations or really any conversation then you would probably consider it an invasion of privacy. Well that's exactly what you are doing. Invading our privacy. Sure these are public but they are meant for friends to look at, not old people trying to find trouble.

You act like every teenager in PTC was at that party and we are ALL responsible. Here's a reality check for you: not every teenager was there that night. I don't know anyone besides Dallas and Chris that were there. Want another reality check? Not everyone goes out and does drugs and drinks. Can you handle another reality check? It's not all the parents faults! No matter how hard they can try to install good morals in their children, children still have the choice to do what they want.

It's sad that some teenagers actions reflect on all of the teenagers here as a whole but it happens. Old people here get a bad reputation because all they do is call the cops on us and follow us home if they think that we're driving too fast.

Some have said that this incident was caused because these kids want attention. Here's another reality check: kids here don't want attention for the older people!

It's not our faults that we are lucky enough to get cars when we turn 16. Granted, not every 16 year old should probably get a nicer car than their parents but if the parents can afford it and WANT to buy it, well that's their business.

What next, do you want to create a law telling parents they have to have a family night and they aren't allowed to buy anything nice for their kids because YOU didn't have those opportunities?
Sounds like the kids here aren't the only ones that need to learn how to grow up.

Welcome to the real world. It seems like some of the older people here are living in their own little bubble.

IF THE SHOE FITS...THEN WEAR IT...IF IT DOESN'T...THEN DON'T! By the way...you shouldn't be calling your parents "OLD".

Good to see someone as MATURE as you should be "influencing" us youngins

Is that all you can say? Do you not understand what I typed? It means if anything that I typed earlier applies to YOU-YOURSELF then read it and own up to it...if it doesn't apply to you then congratulations! Have a great weekend. Stay out of trouble....

They you go... assuming I'm a "bad kid".. I don't have anything to "own up to" except the fact that I have no trouble seeing why kids these days rebel with adults like you.

They you go... assuming I'm a "bad kid".. I don't have anything to "own up to" except the fact that I have no trouble seeing why kids these days rebel with adults like you.

YEAH! YEAH! YEAH! KEEP ON DEFENDING YOUR FELLOW TEENS!!! KEEP ON READING THE PAPER THOUGH I THINK THAT'S GREAT!

I have to defend the details provided by the Citizen in this story. As an aside, what harm is done by providing more details which are accurate ? The reason I defend the Citizen is two fold. More free speech (the press) is better. You don't have to read it. Second, the market demands it. We demand it. We want instant news. PTCGuy complained because there was nothing on line 6 hours after the pre-dawn fatality.

In the big picture, this is a tragedy. It is heart breaking. It is a family's worst nightmare for several families. But it is not the sign of an epidemic. OK--- all you old fogeys---- remember back. Can you imagine have a party as teens, playing with a shotgun or something else dangerous (e.g., gasoline) ??? Could we have experienced a huge tragedy ??? Or driving 100 miles an hour in your mom's station wagon ??? Yup...The only difference now is the internet. The Citizen just did what we wanted them to do.

I am going to pray for the families.

I have no objection to what Cal did, OTHER, than he’s not consistent with doing it.

If The Citizen were consistent in there reporting methods I would have little room to complain. I fully understand that each journalist, I like that description better than reporter, has their own unique writing style. But what Cal did to John’s story went beyond reporting the news.

If you read the post I copied from a previous edition which had basically the same three elements, fortunately without the loss of life. It had drugs, alcohol, and a high profile name.

CNN carried this same story so Cal can’t claim that it was just a “low profile” occurrence.

I’m left to wonder why Cal didn’t bother to check the tax registers on that one. It begs the question as to his motives and shatters any form of trust that all news will printed without bias. Not that I’m naive enough to believe that everything that is printed is accurate and without bias to begin with.

The way I see it is Cal was going out of his way with this information to the point of attempting to incite controversy. Since there are already two sections in The Citizen titled “Staff Opinions” and “Editorial Opinions” where Cal can freely express his “opinion”, I see no point in inserting his “opinion” in a someone else’s “news” story.

In addition to the price of the home involved, please tell me what “VALUE” was added by describing the type car driven? Again, it gave “me” the impression that Cal was trying to weave something into the story for some other purpose.

"...shatters any form of trust that all news will [be] printed without bias..."

What ever gave you the impression that news would be printed without bias? I have NEVER seen news being reported without bias.

Your own posts are biased, news reports on any TV station are biased and so are the articles being printed in the Citizen.

Sounds to me you just didn't like the citizen's bias.

At the end of the day Cal's running this (freely delivered to your house) newspaper to report news in such a way as to make sure as many people as possible read the paper, so he can sell advertisements for good money, which in turn pays his bills and allows him to do what he enjoys (which in turn allows him to report news as he sees fit)... It's called capitalism!

"Not that I’m naive enough to believe that everything that is printed is accurate and without bias to begin with."

It took a while but I finally found the article.

Cal, please show me where you:
”It was I who directed that the county tax rolls be consulted to determine the characteristics of the neighborhood, a fact necessary for a more complete understanding of the context of the story. It was I who rewrote portions of the story to add more information. That's what an editor does-- provide factual context.”

Carter’s grandson arrested in
home break-in
By LEE WILLIAMS
lwilliams@TheCitizenNews.com

Former President Jimmy Carter’s grandson faces burglary and drug possession charges after he entered a Peachtree City home, swiped an X-Box video game and hid under the bed to avoid detection, police said.

Moments after the burglary, Peachtree City police officers tracked down the alleged thief, identified as Jeremy Davis Carter, 17, at his Peachtree City home, 311 Spear Rd., and charged him with burglary, possession of less than an ounce of marijuana and a minor in possession of alcohol.

Carter, a McIntosh High School senior, is the second oldest son of Annette and Donnel Jeff Carter, Jimmy Carter’s youngest son.

Using the front door, police said, Carter entered the home of Kay and Terry Beckom, 201 Clear Springs Lane in Peachtree City, between 9:30 to 11:30 p.m. Dec. 4. According to police, the McIntosh High School student was no stranger to the Beckom family.

“When first encountered, Jeremy Carter was observed hidden under a bed in one of the children’s rooms,” police said. After a few moments, Carter shimmied out from under the bed while holding an X-Box video game system and bolted from the home, police said.

Wearing a red shirt and tan pants, Carter scaled a fence and ran into another resident who wrestled the X-Box, valued at $150, from Carter’s clutches, police said.

Witnesses, including Kay Beckom, 17-year-old Jordan Bradford Beckom, 17-year-old Brendon Thomas Hall, a 14-year-old, and a 16-year-old provided information to police that led to Carter’s capture.

Carter allegedly was found with marijuana and alcohol when later encountered by police.

Carter was arrested and taken to the Fayette County Jail for booking. He was released about 5 p.m. Sunday after posting a $11,500 bond, officials said.

Kay Beckom notified police about the incident. When reached from home Tuesday afternoon, Kay Beckom hung up the telephone before making a statement.

A person who picked up another telephone extension stated Mrs. Beckom “was busy.”

Members of the Jeff Carter and Jimmy Carter families could not be reached for comment.

Okay Cal, we've got the drugs and the alcohol, now where's the house value or type cars owned?

Cal, can you answer the question?

If not then I think we can either assume:
A. that you only list the home values for the less than rich folks

B. we can just let the people who read the blogs see for themselves that you intentionally slant the news to fit you own personnel agenda

C. you only edit John’s work because it’s lacking is some form

D. You don’t read your own WEB site on weekends

E. you purposely slanted the article and no longer have a graceful way backing out of it.

It's good to be the king isn't it?

P.S. Are you and King Bob neighbors?

I'm familiar with PTC, so I knew most of what you stated, but some are not, and these facts would seem to add to the story.

They seem to say, you can't be too cautious, to content, no matter where you live, or how nice you think it is. The last is purely my editorial on the story.

We are losing way TOO many of our young to violence and drug related deaths. It's not a PTC problem or a metro ATL problem. It's an everywhere problem. I think we place too much emphasis on our individual privacy rights at the expense of watching out for one another. Maybe it really does take a village to raise a child.

They also had to throw in that he was driven to the party in a Lexus. Seems like biased reporting to me. What difference does it make what type auto he came to the party in?

He also mentions mariujana and alcohol. Does that mean that all people consuming those substances are running around guns a'blazin? Sounds biased to me.

No, not really, all John did was supply all the ieces to the puzzle for us to draw our own conclusions. So there you have it!

The article states, “evidence was found of marijuana being smoked "throughout the home" and also alcohol being consumed at the party, police said.”

John didn’t add anything to that so I wont pick on him.

"John, I get the feeling that the feeding frenzy of blogs that this has generated seems to have crept into the article.

I don’t remember reading the value of the city managers house or type of golfcart he was driving being mentioned when he was arrested for DUI.

While there may be room to blog over the have and have-nots, good kids / bad kids, good parents / bad parents, I don’t believe there is any relevance here other than to keep the blogs burning."

That's what you call not picking on him? Sheesh, I guess you do have a twisted view of reality.

John is merely listing ALL the background information of what and where it happened and you get your feathers all ruffled.

The Bernie incident didn't mention his house or it's value, because it didn't happen anywhere near his house. It happened in front of the Fred's and if you recall, that WAS mentioned along with why he was there.

This happened in the Westside village and John clearly identified in what part. John didn't ADD anything to what, where and how it actually happened. He reported the facts, that's his job.

That's all, over and out!

The police were the ones who mentioned drugs and alcohol, John simply reported it. Therefore, I wont pick on him. That’s news. That’s what a reporter is supposed to write about.

Ahhh Ha! Now we'll be able to recognize you on the street.

I'm just another dog with a bone.

how about you not worry where he graduated from.you have no business being on his myspace (and by the way, not riverside)

You call us nosy???? You lack credibility. What our you doing on the old peoples version of My Space? Your welcome here but if your gonna hang here then drop your double standard.

Actually, we don't seem to get complaints when we report a crime that occurs near Harmony Village. Or, more recently, when the burglar caught-in-the-act was from Wynnmeade.

Why is that? Is it because some people just "expect" crime to happen in those locations?

Now, all of a sudden, you think we're pickin' on the rich folk? Gimme a break!!! Location is part of the story, and the price of the home tells you something about the location.

The newness of the subdivision and the price of the home is only a way to characterize the type of neighborhood. It's the backdrop of the story. It's not to insinuate anything. Just reality.

I hate the blidiots (blogging idiots) who are jumping to rash conclusions and convicting persons far ahead of time. Bottom line is that it's sad to see the loss of one life and the ruining of another.

This story gets into issues of parenting, underage drinking (and doping!), MySpace usage and other foolishness; I can understand many folks wanting to weigh in. But since Dallas lost his life, let's at least talk about it and collectively as a community to get going back in the right direction.

John, in your reply you hit on the point I was trying to make; “crime that occurs near Harmony Village. Or, more recently, when the burglar caught-in-the-act was from Wynnmeade.” You named the community, not the specific value of the homes or the type of vehicles driven by those that live there.

I can’t be sure, as I can’t access the archive pages on the server, but I don’t remember that the price of the homes was printed when former President Carter’s grand son, Jeremy Davis Carter, was arrested for burglary. If memory serves, I want to say that that the young Carters address was specifically omitted at the request of the family. Was this option provided to the folks in this case?

What I’m trying to get to, in a round about way, is that by disclosing the value of the homes and the type of vehicle driven, I got the impression that you were attempted to segregate the people involved in this tragedy as being something other the norm for this area. Without knowing for sure, I would expect that the average price of a home in PTC is somewhere around $300,000.

What I think would have been a more appropriate tone for the articles is that this type of crime happens to “normal”, not rich, not poor, people.

Lets all get real here. You b*tch and complain because you think the story shouldn't have mentioned the subdivision or the price of homes, but in reality its a valid point. Its a point that people need to be reminded of...just because you live in a high priced home and make lots of money...doesn't mean your Kids are all angels.

Regardless of what you say you know you would have been less surprised by it, had it happnned in Wynnmeade or Harmony Village.

1bighammer, obviously, you haven't got a clue.

My blog was making a point that the way the article was written as compared to other articles about crime in PTC was slanted.

As you don’t seem capable of understanding, I’ll make it clear for you.

Crime happens to all income levels, all colors, all races!

What “VALUE” was added to the article by mentioning the value of the home where the party was held or the type of vehicle driven, NONE!

While I’m on it, what was the value of the home in HiLo Park?

Its not that i don't have a clue, its that i just don't have YOUR CLUE. I'm not Hypersensitive to the realities of this or any other community.

I got the fact that your blog was criticizing the way the original article was written. Obviously its YOU who is not capable of understanding, So let me make it clear to YOU.

I know that crime happens to all income levels and all colors.

The VALUE, as you call it, added by mentioning the value of the home where the party was held, could have been to shock people and make them realize just what you stated that crime happens to all income levels and all colors.

Whereas you and I may accept that fact, many other people are so completely oblivious, they do not. Many still think "crime? uh, were in Peachtree City..things don't happen like that here"!

WRONG!

You can call me what you want but don't use my name in vain.

My daughter and her husband have a new baby and are still trying to get out on their own. (They currently occupy the in-law suite that I put in our basement.) But they are finding that house prices are just out of their current reach unless they are willing to settle in an area marked "dangerous."

A couple of months ago they found a PTC house on the web and it turned out to be in Wynnemeade. They've heard so much bad press about this neighborhood (some that I've passed on to them from what I've read here) that they didn't pursue it.

Is it really a bad area? Recall that I have observed the "mixed" nature of our own neighborhood. They wouldn't have a problem with an integrated neighborhood. But crime, drugs, and run-down adjacent properties would rule this option out, and rightly so.

Any objective insights?

Otherwise, where in the world are the "starter homes" in this area?

What about Senoia?

"http://www.city-data.com/city/Senoia-Georgia.html"

What price and footage range are you looking for?

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Keeping it real and to the core of the issue, not the peripherals.

Tell them to move somewhere else, there are no starter homes in this area, especially if your son in law is such a pansy that he can not protect your daughter and grandchild from BIG BAD WYNNMEADE!!

What in the heck is dangerous about Wynnmeade..Why are so many people in this town so stupid. I don't get it. I have lived in Wynnmeade since 1977 and there is absolutely nothing wrong with this neighborhood. We all bleed the same way and we all crap the same way. Some of us in this town are so afraid of the unknown it is ridiculous. I would love to fill a bus up of you sissy's and drop you off in Carver Homes, West End, or Decatur or Cleveland Avenue or Stuart Avenue...ohohohoh...Ponce De Leon...in the middle of the night and watch your sissy selves cry like a bunch of girls..no I will take that back because I have been in those hoods and I am a white female, you people don't know what dangerous neighborhood is..you all think this is the freakin' hood..you are so dumb....THIS IS THE BURBS..YOU IDIOTS! AND the house we live in is worth a lot more than 70,000. When I was a teenager and people would make fun of were I live and call it Bro-meade are the ones from the East side and those my friends are the ones I partied with. Those are the ones whose parents were never home and we could do whatever we wanted..oh just get a grip,, whereever you live...9mm always shoot the same way and the results are the same. DRugs or no drugs..the real issue here is that a precious life was lost and instead of slipping back into the ignorance that one person is different from the other because of the size of their bank account, why not respect the life lost and shut up about my neighborhood because where you live has nothing to do with this.

OK. Deep breath. Calm down. Think happy thoughts.

Better?

Now, actually READ my post and ask whether it merited this gushing forth of venom.

Don't comment about a neighborhood you know nothing about and really don't care to know anything about because if I sat here and told you about my neighborhood and how much our neighbors mean to us and how i can allow my kids to go outside and know my neighbors are keeping an eye on them too and when my dad had a heart attack how are wonderful neighbor came over and mowed our lawn for us because we were all focused on him, you would still not want ANY of your family in this DANGEROUS neighborhood, so don't patronize me and act like you are really interested because I don't believe it. Because Wynnmeade's reputation for being the poor side of the tracks (AKA; The Ghetto), will never change no matter what we do. Because Peachtree City itself put this label here.

Thank you for speaking up. More of Wynnmeade residents should do the same. Let's keep it going. We all have our way of expressing ourselves.

You don't know me.

I am not a PTC resident: I live in N. Fayette County near Kenwood and New Hope--the very epicenter of alleged demographic changes.

I've posted quite a bit here about my own racially integrated neighborhood. It was mixed when I moved in; the balance is being tipped toward African American. The point that I've made before is that I *like* my neighbors and have no plans of taking (white) flight as several in the area have and are.

My inquiry about Wynnemeade was to ask whether anyone knows the truth about what it is really like. You know as well as I that it has gotten bad press (and this pi$$es you off, obviously). I was asking precisely because I wanted to know whether it would be reasonable for my daughter and family to take a closer look despite the negative attitude towards it.

Merrilyn invited me to email her for a straight answer from her own perspective, which I did. She admitted that there have been serious problems (something that you apparently do not care to admit), but claims that much unrecognized progress has been made. Her honest and kind reply was helpful, unlike your half-cocked reponses.

i lived 29 years being made fun of for living here and I am sick of hearing it quite honestly and now I have to worry about my own kids going through the same thing and it is ridiculous. I apologize, I really do. I should not have taken it out on you. This is my baggage and I hope you can forgive me. I can't even have fond memories of where I grew up because of the way I was made fun of as a teenager. My son has (had) a friend whose mother won't even let her son come over here because she does not like wynnmeade. WHAT? How do you not like a neighborhood. Come on now...so once again muddle i hope you can forgive me, this is just something I am very passionate about.

p.s..the chip is staying right where it is...anyone dogging wynnmeade will get a piece of it.

I can understand your "passion" about the area where you live.

Actually, your comments about the goodness of your neighbors remind me of my own attitudes. I don't know what the B/W ratio is there, but as I have tried to indicate in exchanges with others, I'm finding that my own friendly overtures with neighbors and with others as I am out in the community are reciprocated--regardless of race. I suspect that much of the bias against your neighborhood has to do with a preponderance of those of darker skin. Shame on those who are unable to look deeper.

In all honesty, were you to inspect my own neighborhood (Mill Stream off of New Hope), you would find that the houses with immaculate lawns (right at the entrance, in particular) are, in fact, black families. These are friendly people and good neighbors who have lived here from the start and tolerated me as I have had a succession of my own children and their friends (with their many cars) living in our home.

I wouldn't want to direct my daughter to consider a crime-ridden area or even one where property values are dragged down by irresponsible neighbors. But it's sounding to me (from several people here) as though that assessment of Wynnemeade is one-part bias combined with one-part outdated facts.

thanks for understanding.

thank you yaught...nice to have compliment..

About 3 years ago a fellow I worked with & his wife moved into a rental hse from. To the best of my knowledge they have never had any problems. They can't say the same thing about an assult & battery that occured on them at the Avenue one night. I would think from an investment stand point this neighborhood is on the threshold of a financial upswing. If you follow the adage of the least expensive house on the most expensive block.

bladderq, I know the couple you speak of. They are great people and it was unfortunate that it happened to them or that it could happen to anyone,that are just out having fun and minding their own business. They are a welcomed addition to our community.

The offenders were from another county and looking for trouble where ever they could find it. Fayette County's justice system will see to it that justice is served.

You are still not paying attention.

I hope your rant makes you feel better though.

Please contact me for the true facts about Wynnmeade Subdivision as well as objectivity, at merrilynda@aol.com.

Merrilyn Arnold
Wynnmeade Homeowners Association

I think what was meant was maybe you never say it was at a $70,000 house there! Not really important but telling.

because there is more black people and hispanics in those neighborhoods..they have always picked on wynnmeade, which is one of the oldest neighborhoods in ptc.

You are correct sugajaer, there are more blacks and hispanics there. I haven't read any stats on the hispanics (maybe because they is no true count as many are illegal) but the black population unfortunatly is involved with more shootings than anyother race. I heard this once long ago, the blacks are ruining their own race. I couldn't agree more and Bill Cosby spoke the truth and said it best. Educate yourselves and stop looking for handouts!! Read your history books and look how much the Jews have endured over the CENTURIES. Much more than the blacks during slavery. Education is at the top of each Jewish famlies list. STOP KILLING EACHOTHER, GET A GOOD EDUCATION AND MOST OF ALL, STOP LOOKING/ACTING LIKE STREET THUGS!!!

you need a puddin pop

ALL SMILES !!! Are you still spewing your venom and hatred for Wynnmeade and the people in it. I know who you are and I know that you have a personal issue with our community. Your wording, spelling, comments and EVIL shines through everytime I see this pathetic smiling dog.

Our community isn't a majority anything, not anymore. We have done what is needed to clean our community up....no thanks to people like you. Because of our efforts, Fayette County isn't accepting anymore section 8 vouchers. You are the one that needs educating and you should start by not misspelling the identical words that you do on your website. Uh huh, I'm talking about you.
If anyone wants to know the correct information about Wynnmeade and it's residents, it's history and it's future, please contact me at my email address.
People like ALL SMILES want to see our community fail and continue to fit the description that he holds in his head about any and all people of color. But think on this. All Smiles just might be one of the many slumlords that we have put on notice. No more section 8 monies for you good buddy. HA!!

Uuummmm, Are you talking to the wind because I sure don't know half of what you are talking about. And just for the record, I do not own, rent or lease any homes in your neighborhood. Nor do I make up the stats on crime for this country. I just stated the facts. Unfortunatly, young black males are killed more often than not by guns. It's a fact, not a slam. Calm down!! Oh yeah, I've been waiting on that eagle you spoke of flying high and you moving next door to me. When you were writting this, were your hands on your hips and was your head bobbing like a chicken?

mine was...damn thing nearly flew off..

No Darling, I'm toooooo pretty and toooooo intelligent to act like that. But even that fact may be over your head. Whether or not the eagle flies, I am still 5 up on you. The reason you can't understand me is because you are lost in a world of your own. Stay there smiles, alone with your cold heart. My world is filled with sane people.

The stats that you quoted about young black males wasn't expressed by you as if it were unfortunate and by the way, the young black male that was killed in Cenntennial was killed by a young white male. Sadly, the FACT is that young lives are lost. No colors there, no prejudice there, just a tragedy. You should try mentoring young men of all colors....do something positive to change those stats that you use as your "bible."

tell it..you are a very positive influence and i thank you for all that you are doing here.

Such nastiness.

The initial responses to this story were it was on the "Westside" & therefore involved Wynnmeade. Imagine their narrow minded surprise that it didn't happen in a Section 8. Just stay away from the do-nuts John,

Well, of course stating that a house is worth over $300,000 means the participants weren't from our ghettoes, and of course that would be unusual, wouldnt, it? These teen (and adult) parties are treated by the police (at closing time) and neighbors, exactly as they are treated at Y-Not, Longhorn, and other party places, including the Country (golf) clubs, all where people drive home drunk. That is, with one exception---the town manager at the Amphitheater. The best time to speed, rob a bank, drive drunk, etc., anywhere, is at shift change for the police, or when the High Schools let out.

hilarious but so true