Annexation

I have a question for those of you with detailed knowledge of the westside annexation.
Simply put: why are PTC's leaders so dead-set on doing this? Is there a rational explanation?
As far as I can tell, we're talking about a small peninsula of land that under county zoning cannot be densely developed. Our current leaders plan to annex it and stuff it to the brim with small-lot homes etc.
I just don't get it. I look at the chock-a-block stuff going up behind WalMart and wonder why on earth we need to annex more land to do more of that. (Nothing wrong with it, but a little goes a long way.)
My suspicion is that this is all about the influence of developers who aren't ready to see the PTC golden goose lay its last egg just yet. So after westside, what's next?

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 2:12pm.

I see and agree and disagree with a mix of things said.

Unless someone can correct me, I believe the law says that if a building comes with X distance of a sewage system it must connect to it.

Now, picture either Tyrone annexaing and allowing development, or the County allowing development.

The developement comes within the X amount of distance, PTC is forced to allow tie in and the tie in continues as far north as the distance X is met.

Might be wrong, but it looks like Tyrone or the County could get tax monies from developing that area while PTC gets stuck with providing sewage.

I think we need to annex that area to control it. Which does not demand development or any scale, or any at all.

Turn it into park or something.

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 3:45pm.

Turning it into a park, anyways. Unless you can talk the owners into "donating" the land to the city. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I agree about the need to annex it. I would just prefer PTC to be in control. You are also right about the distance from sewer, and the required hook up.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 5:30pm.

The park part was wishful thinking. The rest a reality people better face up to.

The owners are not going donate. Nor are they not going to make a profit on the land.

It is going to get developed. How is the question.

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Submitted by AaronFairTax on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 10:16am.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Sun, 06/04/2006 - 7:33am.

The westside annexation is motivated by money. Sure, there is some fear of Tyrone (a mismanaged town if there ever was one) taking over and being even closer to PTC and of course, there is also some idea that the 54/74 traffic problem will be solved by a by-pass road - but the real reason is $$$$$ to the city.

The first thing is sewer capacity. The sewer system is an unbelievable profit center if operating at full capacity - break-even at best when under capacity. Solution - sell 700 more sewer hookups and gain 700 customers. 700 x $30 per month is $252,000 per year.

Then you have impact fees $1700 x 700 is over $1,000,000.

There is also the developer extortion scheme, which was perfected under Jim Williams, which is get the builders and developers to build everything the city needs at no cost to the city - then give it to the city. Roads, cart paths, senior center, ballfields, schools, parks, bridges, etc. Unlimited possibilities.

Add to that federal and state grant money.

And property taxes.

And 700 more families paying city sales tax when they shop.

Naturally the cost of servicing these new residents will be paid by all the residents and taxpayers, but the staff in place at city hall won't have to be cut and may even grow some more. Government loves growth because it gives them job stability. While we have adequate public works and police and fire protection for a town of 25,000, we have a city hall staff sized for a town of 50,000. The problem is that we have 36,000 population and annexation is seen by some as the solution.

While I support the annexation for different reasons, I find the city staff's salivation over annexation distasteful. But you asked the question,luckydog, and I provided an answer. Hope others will do so as well.


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Mon, 06/05/2006 - 8:41am.

Interesting that Robert Morgan Lenox speaks so resoundingly in favor of annexation, using false statements of fact, and indeed admitting that he has “other reasons” for supporting annexation. How about his own investment portfolio and that of the Y Knot bar flies.

Bobby, we hardly knew ya, but Hamster is right, we know who you are and your record (and now Logsdon's) are pretty clear as well.

Your statements regarding sewer’s profitability are unfounded and summary, unsupported conclusions. The suggestion that impact fees are profitable disregards the long term costs. And most importantly, you ignore the most significant cost of annexation— EDUCATION. This is the biggest budget in Fayette government and annexation will only aggravate their resource problems. Interesting--- great schools attracted families and made it possible for the Y Knot crowd to profit and now they want to kill the golden goose.

The most disturbing comments were the lavish accolades you bestowed on your partner in crime, Jim Williams:
“There is also the developer extortion scheme, which was perfected under Jim Williams, which is get the builders and developers to build everything the city needs at no cost to the city - then give it to the city. Roads, cart paths, senior center, ballfields, schools, parks, bridges, etc. Unlimited possibilities.” How can you consider extortion to be glorified ?

The problem with an unqualified, unbridled and morally challenged fella like Williams is that when encouraged by people like Lenox, Brooks, Pace, etc., he will disregard the rules at will and many times at huge cost to the city. How about Bobby we just wanted you guys to follow the rules ? Too much to ask.

Your praise of Jim Williams and his “extortion scheme” reminded me of what my grandmother used to say: “Anybody who will run around with you, will run around on you. “


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Submitted by H. Hamster on Sun, 06/04/2006 - 7:19pm.

You outed yourself with this one Bob Lenox. Not that you are wrong, but you simply put too many facts into the debate. The readers and posters here can't assimilate all that.


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Submitted by muddle on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 6:32pm.

Speaking of annexations....

I just passed a sign on Hwy 92 between Fayetteville and Fairburn that said "Just say no to Union City. Preserve Fife."

Anyone know what this is about? Fife is a neat little community of older homes. Long ago, it was the watermelon capital of the region.

Are they talking about the possibility of its being gobbled up by Union City? Union City is the PITS!

How to ruin a community in one easy step.
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Submitted by Det 952 on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 11:59am.

What is so bad about Union City? Other than that of being in Fulton County?


Submitted by Sailon on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 4:48pm.

You ain't seen nothin yet! Eventually the PTC library and town hall will give way to another hotel. Most of the churches will eventually get their way and sell out for millions and be replaced by pawn shops, low income apartments, and liquor stores. A magnitude V1 car dealership (think carmax) would look pretty good near east Publix. We haven't even gotten our first skyscraper yet. Stockbridge beat us to that. Been there lately? Getting in and out is a total distress at Hudson Bridge. Without control of developers by an administration not interested in money, we will be sold down the river worse than predator banks currently robbing poor people.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 06/03/2006 - 5:54pm.

I think fear of Tryone annexing it has a big part in it.

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Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Thu, 07/13/2006 - 10:57am.

I think this is a huge factor in what's going on. I would feel much better about it with PTC calling the shots.

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