I'm not in favor of changing any current zoning to suit Lowes. I don't see how (legally/or why we would want to) keep stores from building in our City. If we have Commercially Zoned land ready to go that suits their needs, seems to me to be workable.

They can't be kept out, but they can be regulated. If Jim Williams were still here we would have the best looking and best landscaped Lowe's in the country. Instead, we will get crap.

Too many in PTC are not learning that lesson.

I have seen it over and over in my 20 years here, as well. Don't get what they want, take it to state court and force it.

We will get a Lowe's, eventually, and a lot more.

Wake folks, fight to make THEM pay for the roads, by-passes and bridges we need as a condition of being approved.

As it is now resisting infrastructure improvements only results in the condition we now have trying to negotiate the 54/74 area.

And you don't think more developments like the Avenue and such do not have just as big an impact because each indiviual business is not as big? HA!

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Well, you must understand the system. In the beginning there are developers and banks; then there are public employees whose jobs are enhanced by more and more commerce in town; citizens never have a say.

Really does not concern me who you think I talked to. You have been so wrong on other stuff.

Yes. There is property.

Who cares? They do! Just like Target cared about where it wanted to build over the scoffing and disbelief of many around PTC.

So, another foolish statement from you.

As for Frank, never met the man. Another error on your part.

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Not enough land there dude. They are looking at 54 and Walt Banks.

3 of you have too much time on your hands. Your wives' need to get you a Honey-Do list. Hamster, PTC-Guy is talking to the bugy wranglers.

Not according to the Lowes person I talked with.

54 and Walt Banks were not even mentioned. Second choice was on 74 north towards Tyrone.

Take a look at the Google Hybrid Map. There is plenty room west of Planterra and south of 54. WAY more than at Walt Banks.

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No one has yet guessed the correct location of the new Lowe's coming to town. Stop guessing and ask someone at the city. They have already applied and you will all be very surprised at the actual location.

Maybe Munford can help enlighten us if he attended the city meetings.

They HAVE applied or MAY have applied?

And if so why is the City not telling us?

If you know this claimed site, spit it out.

Your post is contradictory. First, you say no has gotten it right. Then you say we, which means you included, need elightenment, meaning you do not know.

The city is the last to be contacted in such development. Until it is revealed by them I will stay with what is said within Lowes for this moment.

In planning stages plans change. Thus no reason to contact the city until plans become solid. Thus what Lowes says one day is subject to change the next.

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Here is the one search result from the city site on a lowes and lowe's search.

Here is the pertinent qoute from that page. It is from November 2, 2000.

He said Lowes had made a public statement that they intended to locate near any Home Depot and they had done so in Newnan and Fayetteville.

This a policy in full harmony with the location I got from Lowes.

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You just won't admit you've been talking to the buggy wrangler. The Lowes in Newnan was there quite awhile before the HD was built. They may have been in F'ville 1st too.

Home Depot was first in Fayetteville. Same thing in Riverdale. They move next door to HD as SOP.

Why should I admit to what I did not do on who I talked to and where they were?

No. HD was in Fayetteville first. We were shopping there before the Lowe's location was even announced. And they are close to each other.

As for Newnan, Lowe' opened October 19, 1995,and Home Depot, I am not sure. But it does not negate they locate close to each other.

You are rambling. If you have some actual knowledge concerning PTC, share it. Otherwise you are just taking pot shots because of all the screw up you have been caught in.

Later, when you have something meaningful to say

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Occasionally, I read the comments posted on the blog on The Citizen. It just so happened that the title of this interested me because I wondered how long it would take Lowe's to build in PTC after Home Depot opened up. However, I don't understand why it matters so much which person has the "inside track" as to where they are going to build it. If the location is based on other Lowe's/Home Depot locations, one would think that Lowe's would build in the proximity of Home Depot.

The disagreement between all of you reads like a bickering, child-like argument. I am not trying to be rude, it just seems like there would be more important things to debate about than the supposed location of a future Lowe's. To continually argue about something as trivial as this makes it look as if you have nothing better to do.

If I were entertaining the idea of moving to PTC and read posts such as this, it would leave a bad taste in my mouth. The only reason that I bring any of this up is because I feel that there is no need to get worked up about the potential location and who is right about that location. It would be more beneficial to put those energies into making sure that roads will be able to handle the traffic, that the entrances will be correct, and that it won't interfere with any neighborhoods, which will impact children. These are the more important points to be debated, not who is right about where it is going to be built.

Being right is not an issue for me. Getting information and solutions are.

My points are simple. There needs to be another entry/exit to the shopping area, there needs to be a by-pass to bleed off traffic that does not need to turn onto 54 west at the 74/54 intersection, Lowe's has looked at that property and it is priority one location, at the moment, more homes are being built in the MacDuff Parkway area, more homes are being built off of 54 in Coweta and as things set now all traffic is forced to funnel through the 54/74 intersection.

Add to that tons more development coming on 74, Target opening and insufficient roads to get traffic into PTC east of 74. Thus forcing even more traffic into the 54/75 intersection.

Look at the accident statistics for that area. Getting on and off 74 from the east is a big issue.

You cannot have a choke point like 54/74 and not pay for it. And it will get worse.

Making 74 south 6 lanes does nothing for 54 west and getting into PTC east traffic.

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One other item that appears to have been overlooked was the fact that the city has recently beefed up it's ordinance regarding Big Box stores.

Lowe's may indeed want to come to Peachtree City, but the obstacles and costs may sway them from making that decision. As I understand the ordinance, the council may actually be able to turn them down due to impacts on traffic, etc.

We'll see.

Dana Kinser

Hi, Dana.

I would not put money on that being the case.

You know as well as I do they usually find a legal argument around such ordiances at state level.

But lets say they do keep Lowe's out. The problems with the roads and the 54/54 intersection are still there. And development is going to keep going to put more and more pressure on the roads.

We are still in a jam.

Instead of fighting to keep them out, which we will lose over time, fight to make them pay for at least a big part of a by-pass project.

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You are correct. You can't keep them out - instead make them pay. Since there are no impact fees on industrial (hint, hint on location) the city has to step up and force some voluntary donations to city projects - like roads and bridges. Lowe's will do it, they want in here real bad. Just ask them - or better yet, tell them what they need to donate to the city.

Please don't waste money fighting them. They win and we lose. Look at Tyrone and how they self-destructed by fighting Wieland. Doesn't work.
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