Some people seem willing to flush billions down the drain on Bush's mistaken war in Iraq, and make enemies throughout the world. But they like to be anti-immigrant here at home.

Unless a person is of native stock, their people also came here, and some had to face the same prejudice that some frightened folks are willing to show to other folks who only look for opportunity.

It would be nice to be able to exchange some frightened folks for these people who have enough courage to come to the land of opportunity to find a better life for their families.

Islewood,

There is not a question that everyone here is of "stock" from immigrants. Even the "native stock" you refer to were migrants from Asia across the ice between Russia and Alaska.

The difference is how someone becomes a resident. If someone is born here, they are not an immigrant. This is a nation of laws. The law says persons have to go through a process to come here. PERIOD.

Now, about your comment on the mistaken war in Iraq; I support Bush in the war and I am thankful a tyrant has been removed. I make no apologies for weaker nations to become our enemies due to their failure to take a stand. These same nations hide behing the EUC or the UN. We don't need them!

You assume anyone who is against illegal immigrants is also anti-immigrant. You could not be more wrong. Most people embrace immigrants, when they follow the rules. Why should you, the illegal immigrants, myself or anyone else be allowed to hand pick the laws they want to follow and ignore the rest. Should we all have a 50 strike allowance and allow everyone the right to pick 50 laws they are allowed to ignore?

But like others, you make the persons who disagree with your perspective out to be a monster. You take all the ideas that are opposed to you and try to reach illogical conclusions. Give it a break!

Where oh Where are you my furry little Aggressive Progressive?

Here's a quote from a *legal* latino immigrant. It appears in a report on today's CNN website. I think it says it all.

Retired Col. Albert F. Rodriguez, a war veteran, said he understands the contribution immigrants have made to the United States, "but the difference is that we and millions of others like us did it legally. We're all here today to tell all those illegal protesters, 'You do not speak for me.' "

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"Every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
--Duane Allman

You use my name in vain oh simple one. What is it with you and the rat? Are you guys still Bush worshipping or have you not been convinced yet that he has just about destroyed the credibility and fiscal strength of this country?

*** Bush Lied - People Died ***

Poor leaders are capable of claiming that great purpose has been achieved from even one of their most egregious blunders, and they will always try to deflect leftover blame onto anyone but their most loyal and sycophantic followers.

Aside from possibly thinking he could one-up his father by deposing Saddam Hussein, with little forethought, George W. Bush launched his “preemptive” war into Iraq. Now in words of justification befitting an inveterate delinquent, he passes off this mistaken venture by claiming that the world is better off without Saddam Hussein.

If a tsunami had swept up the Tigress and Euphrates and gotten Saddam, but in the bargain taken thousands of lives and cost our nation dearly, we might expect Bush to also find great good in the wall of water and take credit for its course.

This man can only lead sheep. To his dwindling flock of followers, have a nice bah, bah, bah

It must be hard for you, being perfect and always being right. (sarcasm) Obviously there is no need for an opposing opinion because you are always right. (NOT) Kind of like that obnoxious kid in school who knew it all.

Well the way it works is much different. Your constant attacks on Bush are not going to change anyone's opinion here. The only thing you accomplish with drive by mud slinging is keeping the tone negative.

What will you and the left wing fringe do once the President is out of office? I suspect you will blame someone else until a Democrat gets elected.

You are a one trick pony, time to move on, get a life. Yes this is a great and free country and you have every right to express your opinion, but you are BORING!

The fringe is indeed a one trick pony.

The have the idealisms that demand everyone become them.

Of course, they do not understand why everyone does not want to become them. How everyone does not share the faiths, values and beliefs.

They cannot understand how some see value in God, traditional family, morality and so on.

They are anything but tolerant, open to discussion and so forth. Just see it ther way and all will be love, kisses, peace and harmonty.

To me, they represent the ultimate symbol of intolerance, bigotry and amorality.

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PTC Guy, you wrote, “To me, they represent the ultimate symbol of intolerance, bigotry and amorality.”

Good heavens, and all we liberals wanted was to be like you: loving, caring, spreading flowers, celebrating our diversity, and so accepting of all of God’s children.

You practically floveate in these good things (“floveate” being a term that another Republican president coined at the dawn of another period of economic disaster).

Major Astride, good to hear from you. I thought you were probably down on the southern border with the rest of the flock.

As for me-self being an “obnoxious kid in school who knew it all,” lucky George W. Bush, like the scapegoat he seems to be able to lead the lambs when they are most afraid. Being a liberal and all, I guess being a “tick pony” better fits me ways.

What will we liberal folks do when Bush is out of office? I can hardly wait to find out.

I guess if you lived the exciting life you have, simple freedom and a good beer would be BORING. Oh well, some’s got to do it.

This great nation of ours was great even before it had the kind of power it has today. It is our respect for human life and freedom that has made us great. I would not brand a person as a criminal (or law breaker if you would like to fudge it) who comes to our shores for a better way of life.

Also, I do not think that the fearful are monsters. In point of fact, they tend to create their own monster to be afraid of. The new bugaboo is illegal immigrants. This nation has long been a refuge to people who showed up on our doorstep. Florida is full of such individuals.

You can cook the books of history of their arrival anyway you like to support your fear of the people who come here.

One wonders whether it is simply a day without immigrants or a day without immigrants *and their liberal supporters.*

The best response to an illegal immigrant who "walks off the job" is to look for a legal worker to fill his slot.

After having my daughters ogled by workers who shouted obscentities (words that ought to be reserved to describe one's cat) as they simply tried to go into a store, I am inclined to think that "a day without (illegal)immigrants" is, at once, a day without sexual harassment.

Sorry to hear it happened.

But it is not a suprise. In Mexico having a mistress is not only accepted but expected. That means one woman is seen as a mother of his children and others sex toys.

Remember, many of these will look at you, when you talk to them, and nod as if they got every word. But they did not have a clue.

They have their own agendas. And while there are some very nice guys among them, as a whole one must be cautious.

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I would have thought those were red necks that did that shouting at her. But you know your people there better than I do. You have such a dim view of folks. We have a great Mexican community here. Of course folks here are not so full of fear and also are not inclined to spread mythic stories. You ever hear the one about the Irishman . . . or was it an Italian ... or maybe a Jew or ....

Alot of the single illegal men are offensive.(they think that we don't understand Spanish but many of us know "bad words") I have heard the comments and have had a problem with a couple of men in the past. I have been subject to stuff that a "redneck" would have never attempted.

But, of course, you are not supposed to notice the offensive behavior. Or if you notice it, you are not supposed to say anything about it. Or if you notice the behavior, you're not supposed to notice that the person is Mexican. Because noticing and/or mentioning any of these things makes one a "racist." Indeed, this is actually a "story" that you have "come up with," typical of those in the "racist south." It is far more likely that these were rednecks posing as illegal immigrants.

Yes, it is interesting why one would feel a need to mention the color of an oaf’s skin or supposed national origin or that they were Mexican. Maybe the superior human is just trying to point out that some “others” are just that way?

Of course, if we long for the good-old insensitive times of yesteryear, we might be using the term “oaf” in harmony with its etymological root, i.e. a person that has the skin of an elf (a little critter about as alien to us "real" humans as can be imagined).

No, Islewood, people are not noting a race, they are noting a class of people.

Illegal Mexicans do have a stereotypical culture, life style and manners that are ouside the American norm. And they do not make any effort to change.

Now, that is a stereotypical statement. Of course there are exceptions.

But the key point is you are beginning with a class of people who are willing to break our laws to get here to begin with.

Others process the legal paperwork and come here legally.

Your attempts to paint a different reality are foolish, at best.

We realize you are a New Ager that believes in a One World Society and no borders. But that is not real and will never be.

You want to test it? Go to the Middle East and enter a Mosque. Go hug the Mullah. See how far you get in the attempt and what happens to you.

Go to Mexico and try to protest human rights. See what happens to you.

And so on.

We are not one big happy family. We are a world of diverse cultures and such, that will not get along and cannot get along.

So, harp on all your idealism all you want. The only way we can have One World anything is if all share the same thinking. Of course, that would have to be your thinking. Right?

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“Illegal Mexicans do have a stereotypical culture, life style and manners that are outside the American norm. And they do not make any effort to change."

Could he have meant “outside of his norm,” and maybe that he “does not make any effort to change?”

I find it hard to believe that anyone lives in an American community devoid of “ideals,” or that his community is such a hellhole.

Get the distinction between having ideals and idealism right.

And your statement on devoid of ideals is totally alien to what I said.

But, of course, you think you are being bright and crafty with your semantical games. Your not.

Spin on. Spin on. But you really need to get better at it if you hope it will work.

Time to move off this subject. So ramble on. Ramble on.

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Pessimism has to be enough for some people---could it be due to the really bad neighborhood that they feel trapped in, or bad luck, or dyspepsia …a plantar wart …?

I though prejudice was dead in the new South. It seems to be in parts to which I have traveled. The fear of some folks is palpable. And the old stories they can come up with are really something. Better check to see what is under the bad and sleep with the lights on.