Why are the insurance companies afraid?

your answer was 'well lets see, maybe because the gov gets to make the rules, with no input from the insurance companies"....

I think it is hard to overlook the voice and power the insurance companies have with the politicians. It would be more appropriate to say maybe the insurance companies are afraid someone can't be bought and will pass some 'fair rules'. But that isn't very likely, they have a good solid gri$$p on most politicians by way of these 'donations'.

... "and once the competition has begun, the gov gets to change the rules as the gov sees fit."

I think for the same reason as above, that would be very unlikely.

"Now later when the gov has driven the ins. companies out of health care what will they decide to legislate next?,"

That is pure speculation.

"My reply to that was what happens when the cops decide they need to check your house "just in case".

Get a grip.

"When we let the Gov decide what is best for us, without any input from us, you start the long decline."

We are in a decline.

"Just my opinion, your mileage may vary"

It certainly does.

According to you, both houses are being bought off for 1.3 million dollars to just one person and you say I am speculating. If the insurance companies were so omnipotent there wouldn't be any discussion at all on health care. I have no problem with everyone having health care, my problem is how it's going to be paid for. I've worked for small companies all my life and the way the Gov is going to pay for this will put them out of business. Maybe you're retired, don't have to work, but what is the good of having health care if you're living on the street and have no money for food. As for getting a grip, the gov already can listen in on your overseas conversations, and put you in Gitmo without a trial, and you think it's so far before they're searching your home under the Patriot Act, you're the one who needs to get a grip. Tell me which of these abominations the Dems have repealed, not a damn one, because it makes it easier on the gov when they want to have their way. Just speculation I know, but your blog above is all speculation, but you seem to be OK with that.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

"According to you, both houses are being bought off for 1.3 million dollars to just one person and you say I am speculating"

No, I was showing you how much money ..just one..person has gotten in 'donations'. And yes, I think it isn't bad rep and good dems. I think there are more of them that are crooks on both sides, than honest ones.

"I've worked for small companies all my life and the way the Gov is going to pay for this will put them out of business."

That is the very thing I hoped it would help. Small companies are at a disadvantage when they try to hire people because they can't offer insurance. I would like to see everyone like you have good insurance for your families.

But looking at what is passing now is shaping up as a cruel joke on the taxpayers.

You can carve it in stone...

1. They will make everyone have health care which will be a bonaza for the insurance companies..(that has already happened)

2. They will take the guts out of the bill by taking out the public option. This will eliminate any competitions, and we will go on pretty much the same as now.

It is wrong, healthcare reform would have been a wonderful thing, but it aint gonna happen.

I beg to differ, the topic I responded to was this :Answer this Lindsey
Submitted by suggarfoot on Mon, 11/09/2009 - 5:29pm.

"If we allow them to let this stand then the next Freedom you will lose might be a bit more important to you."

We don't have any 'freedom' now! The insurance companies have a monopoly! Insurance is paying the big bucks to make sure it stays that way.

Answer this Lindsey,

if the government option is going to be ...soooo exspensive and bad..why are the insurance companies so ..AFRAID.. of it?

They have repeatedly said it would be unfair competition for them.
Why do private insurers fear a government-run program?

Maybe it is because they have done such a sorry job that they feel the government,that can’t do anything right, would show their sorry a@@@es up!

Now I answered this post and then all you can come up with is I'm brainwashed, I bow down to your debating skills, you must have been on the team in school, now if we can just get you to stay on topic, we can have a real debate. I thought Obama was going to get rid of the lobbyists, oh yeah I forgot that went south like a lot of his promises.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I would have thought you would have understood that.

He tried to get rid of the lobbyist, and I hope he isn't through. Our whole government is corrupt. Did you not read the 'donations'? Who do you think made that 'legal'? It is legal,because our politicians MADE it so... but it is also immoral and unethical.

I know Bush was a saint an Enron never happened. The problem these days is that a lot of people hold on to being Republican, as though it sets them appart from the rest, makes them 'feel' they are standing with the rich boys talking about their money being squandered.

We are rich anymore, we aren't middle class anymore...we are poor, and some don't want to face this.

At least you will be part right, the money is squandered. It was squandered on the banks, and now everything will be done to help those poor little billionair insurance people not become millionairs over night. God! I don't know how they could live like the rest of us poor white trash!

"It's been about three months since we gave a Promise Broken to Barack Obama's pledge to restrict former lobbyists from serving in his administration. We found that the administration has granted waivers to several former lobbyists, allowing them to serve. The administration also allows recusals, where former lobbyists simply recuse themselves from discussions concerning whatever interest it is for which they used to lobby. The recusals have not been made public, and we don't know how many have been issued."

Lobbyist.. Just another broken promise by Obama... Link to story

"We are rich anymore, we aren't middle class anymore...we are poor, and some don't want to face this."

So why are you for the massive debt buildup that is this Healthcare scam? You are absolutely correct here... Like I said It's the ECONOMY and Jobs.. Stupid.. Not Healthcare not right now.. Fix what we can.. stop the fraud they promised to stop.. heck just keep a few promises and I would be happy..

"A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

he thought was an exiled former president with the Bush bunch!

When the corrupt lobbyist are so entrenched, it takes awhile.

A lobbyist with close ties to the White House offered access to key figures in George W Bush’s administration in return for six-figure donations to the private library being set up to commemorate Bush’s presidency.

Stephen Payne, who claims to have raised more than $1m for the president’s Republican party in recent years, said he would arrange meetings with Dick Cheney,Condoleezza Rice,and other senior officials in return for a payment of $250,000 (£126,000) towards the library in Texas. He also said he would..try..set up a meeting with the prez for a little bit more.
Unlike campaign donations, there is no requirement to disclose the donors to the libraries, no limit on the amount that can be pledged and no restrictions on foreigners contributing.

During an undercover investigation by The Sunday Times, Payne was asked to arrange meetings in Washington for an exiled former central Asian president. He outlined the cost of facilitating such access.

“The exact budget I will come up with, but it will be somewhere between $600,000 and $750,000, with about a third of it going directly to the Bush library,” said Payne, WHO SITS ON THE US HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISORY COUNCIL!

He said initially that the “family” of the Asian politician should make the donation. He later added that if all the money was paid to him he would make the payment to the Bush library. Publicly, it would appear to have been made in the politician’s name “unless he wants to be anonymous for some reason”.
Payne said the balance of the $750,000 would go to his own lobbying company, Worldwide Strategic Partners (WSP).

Asked by an undercover reporter who the politician would be able to meet for that price, Payne said: “Cheney’s possible, definitely the national security adviser [Stephen Hadley], definitely either Dr Rice or . . . I think a meeting with Dr Rice or the deputy secretary [John Negroponte] is possible . . .

“The main thing is that he [the Asian politician] comes, and he’s well received, that he meets with high-level people . . . and we send positive statements made back from the administration about ‘This guy wasn’t such a bad guy, many people have done worse’.”

Payne said that he would use the services of Mark Pritchard, a Conservative MP who chairs the House of Commons all-party Russia group and was last week on the brink of signing as a paid “adviser” to WSP. Pritchard issued a statement saying that he had not done any work for WSP.
When confronted, Payne said that there would be “no quid pro quo” for any donation and added that his firm was “always above board”.

The White House said it would not be influenced by such donations.

if he pimped his daughters! But, that wasnt suggested to him.

But Bush isn't in the white house anymore, old news. Show me where Obama did any better. That's right he's getting around to it.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Obama and his promise to keep out lobbyist.. Is this all you guys have Bush Derangement Syndrom.. I would have thought by now you would have come up with new stuff..

"A Government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have." Thomas Jefferson

What I stated and you failed to notice is that lobbyist/coruption, have had a free ride in the past administration. It is hard to clean house when the slime is 3 ft deep in the floor and ozzing out of the walls.

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