McIntosh English Teachers

Thu, 09/24/2009 - 10:05pm
By: PTCBernie

I would be interested in any comments from parents of current or past students of EDITED for violation of terms of usage regarding her teaching methods. Please keep them civil and honest, but I would be interested in both positive and negative input about her.



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Submitted by pharm on Mon, 10/26/2009 - 8:09pm.

Pat Carman is not only a wonderful teacher but also a wonderful person who left lasting impression upon me. As a 1995 graduate of McIntosh, I remember Ms. Carman as one of the few teachers who actually cared for her students. She was reasonable while still making an effort to challenge her students. If your child can not handle her class and this is the manner in which choose to handle the situation, I sincerely hope that your child does not intend to pursue a college education. College is a whole new ball game and trust me that the professors do not care when mom and dad are upset.

Submitted by megpa on Tue, 09/29/2009 - 10:47pm.

I know these names will be edited out, and that's a shame, because Patricia Carman deserves the praised recognition here regardless of the motive behind the inciting post.
Mention Ms. Carman's name around any McIntosh student or alum, and you will witness a shudder with eyebrows raised and someone saying "Man. She is TOUGH." What you will also hear quickly following the first sentence is "but I have never learned more."

I could ride on the tails of these other posts about how the parent in question is doing their child a disservice by spoon-feeding them and on and on. The fact is, that mother isn't reading this anymore; she's probably humiliated (or at least ought to be).
Instead, I would like to take this opportunity to share from a student's point of view:

The beginning of my eleventh grade year, I walked into 3rd period AP English with no fear. I had been in gifted English for as long as I could remember and had always done well. I wrote my first paper feeling quite pleased with myself. AP English? No problem. Several days later when that same paper was returned to me with a 47 on it, I burst into tears. In all my years in school, I had never made a grade that low. I went to Ms. Carman the next day, and she said to me, "Ms. Kirkland, if a comma splice is the biggest mistake you ever make in your life, you'll be ok. We can work on this."
No other teacher in all my years of school, college, and grad school have ever put so much of themselves into teaching as Patricia Carman. She would answer every little question about the placement of every little comma. And, of course, she did it in that annoying teacher way: the kind where they make you think. Don't you just hate when teachers make you think? She won't spoon feed you. You have to work for it. And work I did. I may have cried myself to sleep many a night, but I was also richly rewarded. Ms. Carman, while quick to correct, is also quick to praise. She sent each student a post card at Christmas praising them for what they did well and again at the end of the year. I still have mine hanging on my fridge 8 years later.
The best thing about Ms. Carman, the most unique thing, is that she promoted mutual respect. She called us by our last names, because we called her by her last name. We didn't have to ask permission to go to the bathroom; she said we were 17 years old, that it was insulting to ask permission to relieve yourself. And we didn't abuse that privilege, because she had created a place of mutual respect. And she taught us that with respect comes responsibility, something that very few Peachtree City teens understand. No, Ms. Carman did not accept late work. But in turn, I would never dream of going to work tomorrow and telling my boss that a report isn't finished because I was too tired after soccer practice. Yes, Ms. Carman is tough. So is the real world. Why not begin adjusting now while you still have the support network of parents and a teacher that genuinely care about your success?

Did I go to college being able to write an A+ paper in less than 45 minutes? I did. Did I have college professors ask me "where I learned to use syntax like that"? I did. Did I remember, after many years, the kind eyes and patient smile of a loving teacher who sat with me for hours saying "Ms. Kirkland, if that subject verb agreement error is the biggest mistake you ever make in life, you'll be ok." I certainly did.

Submitted by Davids mom on Tue, 09/29/2009 - 12:46pm.

An acquaintance shared with me that her child was having great difficulty in a class - and could not understand the teacher or the teacher’s method of teaching. The child wanted her mother to help her get out of the class. The mother had the child write down her reasons for wanting to change classes, went with the child to the administration, and allowed the child to speak for herself - rather than the parent making complaints. The child's class was changed. Wise parent.

Submitted by kingswood48 on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 3:12pm.

for finally taking down the name of the teacher in question on this thread. Hopefully this was over sight on your part and will never happen again. Questioning individual teacher's practices has no place in a public forum.

Submitted by soundofm on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 2:59pm.

Now that you have received many posts regarding your request for information about your child's English teacher, let me summarize matters for you. It appears you are not very strong in the areas of logic and reasoning, so I thought you could use some assistance.

Regarding the teacher in question, she is tough and demanding (two common traits of superior teachers). She is very good, very dedicated, and very concerned that her students master the subject matter. This veteran teacher is well-respected by parents, teachers, and colleagues alike. There are some that may not like her, but there are always lazy people who prefer to follow the well-worn "path of least resistance." [Note: I know this teacher and I concur with the many, many favorable posts here].

Regarding you, the parent, you are whiny, you are an enabler, and you care much about your child's grade (but, far less about his/her education). As you have noted, you have gone to the teacher and her superiors (and then -- when you did not get your way -- to those superiors' superiors). But you have not been very interested in how your child can improve. You have merely wanted to pressure those involved to GIVE your child a better grade or GIVE your child a different teacher. "Earn" does not seem to be part of your vocabulary. Though you think you are helping your child, you are a negligent parent. You are refusing to allow your child to learn some very important life lessons. Now, though I do not expect that you will do this, you need to learn from your mistakes and insist that your child do the same.

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Submitted by Knowitall on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 7:36am.

She doesn’t give 2nd chances or ‘breaks’ and good for her!! Most of the children she teaches are 16-17 years old and on the verge of becoming adults and should not be spoon fed by the teachers or their parents. Are you PTCBernie the parent of one of her students who received an ‘F’ because your child failed to turn their paper when it was due? Maybe your child didn’t follow the teacher’s directions and failed to turn in ALL copies of a paper. Whatever your case may be, stop trying to bail your child out for his/her failure in this class. Let this be a lesson to both of you. Teach your child to get back up and try again instead of trying gain support for your child’s short comings in this class. The school year is still young and your child still has enough time to recover if you show them how.
CLOSING THOUGHT: If your child has a demanding boss later in life are you going to march into the boss’s office and tell them to take it easy on your child also?

Knowledge is the key to success

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 09/29/2009 - 10:05am.

and breaks to Students.

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Submitted by opustv on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 8:56pm.

Both of my children have had the pleasure of taking her AP English class and both gained fantastic writing skills that will serve them well for the rest of their lives. She is tough but always fair. She makes her expectations of her students very clear. Students get out of the class exactly what they put in. She always insists that her students are fully engaged in her class and given the huge numbers of stoned-out "bench warmers" at McIntosh wasting classroom time I applaud her professionalism, skill, and steady hand under increasingly difficult conditions. In short...she is one of very few "grown-ups" in that school and I'm thankful she is there!

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Submitted by dawn69 on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 1:15pm.

I am amused by the irony in these blogs. Many criticize, publicly, an English teacher for being too hard on her students. The irony is that those who slander the most are the ones that could benefit from a tough English teacher. Maybe she could offer a community course for adult bloggers.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 2:22pm.

This reminds of a coupleof years ago when my kid was a freshman, in middle school she had the gifted english, and she worked her butt off with no love of the teacher, in fact she was horrified when she found out this teacher taught both 7th and 8th grade English. Halfway through her freshman year she remarked to me on the way home from school that she now realized how well she had been taught by this teacher she didn't like, and if I'm not mistaken she and another kid made a point of telling the teacher so at the next opportunity.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

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Submitted by dawn69 on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:27am.

I'm reminded of my 9th grade economics teacher and debate team coach. She was, according to all the kids, the MEANEST teacher in the whole school. No one liked Ms. Hanson.

At 14 I ran away from home. When I was found days later, my parents, the detectives that had worked on my case, and the school got together to see if they could work together on getting me back on track. Ms. Hanson was the only teacher that took an interest in finding out why a straight "A" student went to making all "F's" and leaving home. She convinced my mom to "fill my time with productive activities" and to bring me to her debate team meetings every Saturday.

Oddly enough, 26 years later, she is the only teacher whose name I can even remember. She was the only one that made a very real difference in my life.

Good teachers need to be commended and not raked over the coals for showing the tough love that parents don't have the courage to administer.

Submitted by normal on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 11:36am.

Due to the lack of parenting, to many of you want a baby sitter at school for your brats. I volunteer at the schools, I see your brats every day. I would support boot camps for many of them. Now its a very small percentage of the kids that are morons like they are being taught at home. Most kids are very polite and enjoy the school day. When a teacher is tough and wants kids to learn instead of just get by some of our cry babies cant take it. I blame the parents again. Teachers deserve so much more for putting up with the crappy kids and their attitudes. Hope everyone went to the airport today for the dedication.

Submitted by kingswood48 on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 11:15am.

You are not asking people to comment on a car purchase or a movie for crying out loud. You are asking people to comment on the methods that a teacher uses in performing her job. What are you expecting to get here? As you can see from the postings so far, there are differing opinions, over-whelming positive. Which postings do you want to believe? Has this helped clarify the quandary you are facing as a parent? All you have successfully done is attempt to besmirch the reputation of one of the finest English educators in this county. Has anyone mentioned yet that she has been selected as a Star teacher?
You ask what is the difference about asking for comments about doctors, mechanics and plumbers....big difference! I believe that all of the above are involved in a commercial enterprise that they are selling to the public. Do you have a choice as to where you spend your money in exchange for a good or service? Would you have a legitimate need to know other people's experiences? I think so. How can you make the leap to equating this with public education and an individual teacher? The teachers who teach our children are not even remotely in the same category. They did not go to college to be trained as educators so they could “sell” their service for financial gain. They are educating our children and trying to, along with their parents, prepare them for life. Surely I hope you don’t think they are doing their job for the tremendous salaries that we as taxpayers are providing them! If you can not see the difference, I truly feel sorry for you. Teachers have devoted the better part of their adult lifetime instructing our children and each, in their own way, goes about that instruction in a different way. What gives you the right to questions those methods in a public forum like this? I think that if you ask your child if each of his/her teachers teach the same way, the answer would be "no". You are not doing your child any favors by questioning the methods of any teacher. Your time would be much better spent to tell your child that they will be facing many different methods of instruction as they further their education and each student must adapt to those methods. I would think you should be more concerned about if your child is learning!
I think you best find out how you can take this totally in appropriate thread "down"!!

Submitted by GAltant on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 8:13am.

I have read your note and the accompanying comments. I agree that it is inappropriate to post such a note in a public forum like this. EDITED for violation of terms of usage is not an elected offical that should be subject to such public scrunity.

However, since you have raised this issue, I would like to comment because I believe that EDITED for violation of terms of usage might be the single best teacher in Fayette County.

My daughter took her AP English class last year and she was a tough teacher. Tough, fair and more importantly taught my child how to be an excellent writer. There were nights my daughter cried with frustration thinking that every test and quiz should be an A. EDITED for violation of terms of usage students always expect As even when they are not deserved thats called "grade inflation" which is rampant!

As a student, I can remember 1 or 2 teachers who were "defining" teachers that changed my life andEDITED for violation of terms of usage falls into that category as a teacher who has changed my daughter's life.

She has not only turned my child into an outstanding writer which I can see as my daugther writes her college essays associated with her applications, but my daughter has dramaticaly matured as a result of her class because she now has a clear understanding of what will be expected when she enters college next year.

EDITED for violation of terms of usage is the most wonderful teacher and has had a dramatic impact on my daughter's life. I will always be indebited to her and I have expressed my feelings to her.

Submitted by Spyglass on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 9:39am.

No doubt, she teaches excellent writing skills.

Submitted by PTCBernie on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 11:22pm.

To you vitriolic posters, if I was asking about an aspect of someone's personal life I would probably agree that this kind of query is off base. But it is a request for information on someone acting in their professional capacity. In this case that means educating my child. Conceptually, how is this different than asking for comments on a local doctor, mechanic or plumber? Obviously, since it involves my child, my concerns are greater, but not that different, again in concept.

If this were a properly moderated forum, your off topic comments would have been removed, as they are inflammatory and add nothing to the discussion.

To respond directly to your point, I also don't see your name on your post.

To set you straight, I have been in contact with the teacher, registrar, principal and my child's advisor, plus a call to the BOE offices. (I think that pretty well covers all bases). I am currently working with them on this issue. My quandry is that what they are telling me differs greatly from input that I have had from parents whos children have, or have had, her.

To the parents who did comment, I sincerely appreciate your candor and input. You are the ones who my question was intended for and your replies are greatly appreciated. It's especially hard for a parent of a bright kid to see them do so poorly. With the pressure of appearances that prevails in this town, its difficult for a parent to admit that his or her child is doing poorly in school. I applaud your courage, and encourage you to continue to work with your student and the school on the situation.

I am not out to hang anyone, or dig up any dirt. I am simply trying to gather information and trying to reconcile what I am hearing from the school and what I am hearing from past students and parents. If you have constructive comments on how I might accomplish that, I welcome your input.


Submitted by MYTMITE on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 8:48pm.

when she goes out there in that big world there will be people that do not treat her justly, are hard to get along with or that she just doesn't like. But, for the most part-this is life. We all have to learn how to get along with all differnt types of people, be they teachers, friends, bosses or even family. When my children were in school and came home and complained about their teachers, I would tell them to toughen up and work through it. This is what happens in the real world. If your child is doing all of her work, doing it well and you feel there is an injustice, then by all means look into, but not on a public forum. Talk one to one with other parents, go to the school board with your proof-not just your feeling but actual proof that the teacher is either showing favoritism, is inept, lazy or uninformed on the subject she teaches. If there is a real problem by all means pursue it. Just make sure of your facts and that there are legitimate wrongs. With a real, genuine problem your daughter should know that you will back her all the way. On the other hand if this teacher is doing a great job teaching but your daughter feels she is 'too hard', expects too much etc--then is the time to sit your daughter down and explain to her that she will have to learn to adapt and accept many different types of people--better to learn this now that when she is out there in the working world dealing with a less than ideal employer or fellow employee. Then there is no mommy to settle your problems for you--so she had better be prepared to handle these situations.

Submitted by p-ode on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 5:40pm.

If this were a properly moderated forum, neither EDITED for violation of terms of usage nor any other public school teacher would be made a topic for public scrutiny and criticism. Furthermore, if this were a properly moderated forum, your concerns would never have seen the light of print. Shame on you, and shame on The Citizen for allowing this assault on EDITED for violation of terms of usage.
And frankly, B, from the looks of your own pitiful prose, you, too, might benefit from a tough writing teacher. If your child is college bound, EDITED for violation of terms of usage is what your child needs, but she may be more than you deserve.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 8:30pm.

If your kid is having a hard time n you are questioning the facts about this teacher. I don't think it is arrogant...What I do think is if it is this teachers' way..or the highway...if kids are failing..? Then that is arrogance...on the teacher's part. Sorry, I've had too many good teachers, and others with 'problems' that make their problems, the kids problems. I would question if this teacher was a good teacher too!

A good teacher, makes kids learn...bad teachers...blame the kids~!

I do believe in accountability...something that isn't always seen in the present system. ...sorry again...if the kids don't get ain't teachin! Your concept its the customer fault/our kids/ is wrong, would never make it in the real world!

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 8:49am.

What will you do when the little precious goes to college in the next year or few?

Meanwhile- do us all a favor and park your helicopter, withdraw the precious from school and home school or private school the little dear.

You still have not said who you are or where you work or why after going to everyone in the system you are now seeking validation for your witch hunt via a public forum.

Perhaps your enabling has hit a wall now that your precious is grown or nearly grown. Sadly, neither of you sound like you are prepared for it.


JMartinez, retired lawyer, businessman, electrician, used car salesman, shoe salesman, veteran (In reverse chronological order).

Also the proud father of a daughter who moved because of parents like you and inept financial management by the school system and a complete lack of support at the county level for programs and teachers who has left "the bubble" to teach at North Georgia College and State University.

And you are?

Submitted by wkamb on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 8:20am.

I would like to know your name. Perhaps you are a local doctor, mechanic, or plumber. I need to know so that I can make sure I never seek any services you provide. Frankly, I would not trust anyone who has demonstrated such convoluted logic and lack of judgment. (I won't even mention the 2 grammar errors and the spelling mistake in your post - perhaps you will correct those).

You are NOT trying to reconcile what you have heard, you are merely trying to bully your way into getting what you want (either a better grade than your child has earned or a different teacher).

The manner in which you are handling this issue is a terrible example for your child. I sincerely feel sorry for your child. . . not because of his/her English teacher, because your child must endure your lack of common sense.

Submitted by GAltant on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 8:17am.

FYI - EDITED for violation of terms of usage has an outstanding reputation within the school and the county, she also has an outstanding reputation among parents so I suggest you stop complaining to people about her!
If you are interested in making sure your child gets an A then transfer to another teacher who will teach your child nothing and give him or her an A.
If you want your child to learn, back off and stay with EDITED for violation of terms of usage!

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Submitted by NoBama on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 7:09pm.

I can't believe how much of a loser you and anyone that contributes to this public mud slinging is. You should be ashamed of yourself. If you have a problem with the teacher, then grow the gonads needed to go and speak to her and the principal in person. Hiding behind a "B" tells us that you are spineless coward and I hope your kid can somehow grow up not to be like you. Also, a thread like this should never be allowed to stay on a community forum. So, shame on you Citizen if you do not delete this thread as soon as possible.

Submitted by soundofm on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:56pm.

To the author of this thread . . .

Could you please identify yourself? I need to know your name so that I can start a thread asking people to comment on your work ethic, your parenting skills, and your personality. I will ask everyone to "please keep their comments civil and honest," but I would be interested in both positive and negative input about you.

Are you the type of parent that always blames others? Also, are you an enabler? Do you handle conflicts face to face or do you just resort to anonymous postings to protect yourself and your child's shortcomings?

Are your children well-adjusted? Are they good students? Are they lazy? Do they do their homework? Do they select their friends carefully?

In all due respect, what kind of moron would start a thread like this? Well, I guess I just answered my question.

Please identify yourself.

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 6:57pm.

Teachers are not public officials and the vast majority of parents are not legally or educationally qualified to JUDGE them in the performance of their duties.

This is about as bad as any blog thread I have ever seen here. To think that it is even allowed by Jim scares the hell out of me and makes me think he is losing it.

What level of arrogance is required before some jackass thinks they can post someone's name on a public forum and solicit with complete anonymity unqualified opinions of their life's work.

EDITED & WARNED for violating terms of usage

Why would anyone teach in Fayette County with parents like these?

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Submitted by Cal Beverly on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 6:51pm.

In a word, don't.

Even if you are a lawyer well-versed in libel law, 1st amendment cases, federal laws relevant to Internet postings, keep your legal threats off this site.

Unless you have sued or been sued for libel (I have), you truly don't have a clue.

You may not like what goes up on this site (I don't like all of it, either, and I edit or remove the posts that violate our terms of service), but take note that you cannot threaten people with legal action on this site more than once. Strike 2 and you're out.

Post a notice of an inappropriate comment, and I will review it for further action. But NO threats.

Cal Beverly
The Citizen
Fayetteville, Ga. 30214

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 11:08am.

It took four days to come to the aid of this teacher/private citizen. I appreciate your forum so thanks for your cordial reminder of your rules. Now, can I go back out and play?

Submitted by jevank on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 9:06pm.


Submitted by kayfay on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 5:55pm.

So a parent cannot question a teaching method, but you can question the parent. Why do you assume it is a parent, perhaps it is a co-worker. Why so hostile? Name calling, really. Do would do your self a favor and do not resort to such tactics if you want anyone to give any consideration to your response. It is best to think before you post when it is an emotional issue for you. Also, you failed to identify yourself, yet it is highly important the other people who post identify themselves. Double Standards......

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 7:08pm.

Where do you work, what is your occupation and your full legal name?

Post it here so we can all comment on you and your life. Anonymously of course.

If you are not willing to do so then clearly you can see why this is an unacceptable blog. Teachers are no different than you are except that they probably work harder, have tougher job requirements and contribute more to society than you do.

I am saying yet again, this community better start treating teachers better and vote in a new school board to boot or you will all see the demise of a formerly premier school system and a further devaluation of your home values. The school board and county office personnel are bad enough to the teachers. I assure you that your hypocrisy and lack of support is not needed nor is it warranted. This teacher and the others in your county are getting a 6+% pay cut and a host of increased requirements. They are ALL COLLEGE EDUCATED PROFESSIONALS and the CREAM of the crop. Too bad we can't say that about you and the other teacher bashing absentee parents in the community.

Believe it.

Submitted by fayette911 on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 4:46pm.

The only thing more surprising that this original post was the fact that some people seemed to NOT have a problem with this posting. What in the world are you thinking? Have you talked to the principal? Have you talked to anyone at the school or county office? What are you hoping to accomplish other than to cause some really undue stress on this teacher? Do you plan on printing this blog and bringing it in to the teacher and say "see, they all agree with me"? What in the world are you thinking or teaching your child?
I just want you to ask yourself this one question: would you want someone to honestly do this to you? Just a question to ask yourself before you delete this post.

Submitted by Spyglass on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 8:42am.

You'll probably hate it later. That said, it may possibly help your child if he/she learns to play politics. Have your Child go in early, ask for extra help, she likes the kids to make "appointments" for after school help with her. If your Child is struggling, get them to do these things.

Our Child had her for English last year, she gave grades that astounded even me, 10-20% or so, on papers that were supervised by a College Grad who was very good in English. In the end, our Child passed, barely, it is by FAR the lowest grade they had ever made aEDITED for violation of terms of usage teaches them a lot of skills, she seems to teach from a position of power/fear. Those who run from it, well, they will not do so well.

Submitted by chadf on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 8:32am.

Here is a translation of the post by Spyglass . . .

I suspect that Spyglass is a parent who thinks he/she is knowledgeable in the field of English (but he/she really is not). He/she probably supervised her child's writing in EDITED for violation of terms of usage class (i.e., did some of the child's work for the child) and did such a lousy job that the child received a grade of 10-20%. It is likely that Spyglass is still upset because the grade he/she (and the child) received was not in keeping with the exalted image Spyglass has of himself/herself.

Perhaps Spyglass was also upset in middle school when the Science Fair project he/she did for his/her child did not receive a stellar rating.

In re-reading the post, it appears that Spyglass is only concerned about his/her child's grade, not the child's education.

Spyglass, can you please identify yourself that we can ask everyone who knows you to post about your parenting skills (or the lack thereof)?

Submitted by Spyglass on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 9:32am.

I'm sorry if you disagree....but I stand by my comments. It appears you didn't understand them at all. I guess you missed the part where I stated that the kids do learn a lot of skills.

I'll also add, that it should be obvious that I'm not the English expert in my family. I would guess you aren't either. Smiling

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 8:44am.

The carbonunit would not receive good (meaning passing) grades in this teacher's class, for sure, but I wonder how a work such as "Huckleberry Finn" would fare?

It's not easy being the carbonunit

Submitted by MacTheKnife on Sat, 09/26/2009 - 9:01am.

I think ole' Sam Clemens had enough writings to get away with pretty much anything he wanted to.

I am sure you realize that when written, in Sam's lifetime, his work was a reflection of (a formerly acceptable, now inappropriate)life on the river and a portrayal of contemporary Americana.

Although you have a fishing bear in your moniker, and you two may have fishing in common, I am just not sure you are quite ready to be elevated to the status of 'Mark Twain' by being the representative of a time in American culture there in the good ole' golf cart bubble of Peachtree City.

But hey, who knows....?

Say, carbonunit, you didn't 'come in' with a comet by chance...did you?

Submitted by soundofm on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 9:36pm.


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Submitted by All Smiles on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 8:36am.

One of my children has her now. Our family had much discussion over the matter. We came to the conclusion our child, though it is and will continue to be tearfully tough at times, will rise to the occasion and will finish as a stronger student capable of handling any college English/Writing course with ease. Not only will our child learn from a writing stand point, an extremely valuable life skill is at hand. In the workplace we have all at one time or another had an employer who had the bar of expectations set much higher than we ever thought we could achieve. We coped and learned how to rise to those expectations without quitting. This life skill may be one of, if not the most important of all life skills.

We have sought outside help, spoke with successful students in her classes and our child has even sat down with EDITED for violation of terms of usage in order to figure out how to archive her expectations. Her door is always open and she is ready and willing to help as she wants all of her students to succeed.

P.S. Our child is failing her class presently but is headed in the right direction and improving which we are so proud.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Sun, 09/27/2009 - 5:40pm.

Mytmyite is a teacher, and I respect the way she looked at it from both sides. That is what good teachers do., I met some people who's children have gone to that school. Between the 2 , 6 kids. Both knew the teacher, both had to have meetings and both grunged through.

My thing is..yes, I agree, in the real world they will meet overbearing, power weilding people.

But... is it right to teach them to bow n scrape to something that seems wrong in order to get along? Teaching them to get along, rather than go after what is wrong n make it right, is against everything I want my child to live by!

My child has had some teachers that were life changing. To name one, Ms Swann, at Birch. She was so loving and nuturing, my kid warmed to her and has never forgotten her. My child trusted her completly. Which hadn't happened before.

Some teachers are wore out, some have gotten to the point, they hate 'little Jonnies' guts. I can understand that.

But when the same teacher is known for years for the same thing, and others?.... bring your kid forward??? ....

Shouldn't we think the ones that do the job well, and leave a mark on our children's soul.. for the good...?, rather than a scar? Shouldn't those be the ones we respect, and want our kids to look up to?

Submitted by southernboy on Fri, 09/25/2009 - 1:23pm.

Your child is one of the lucky ones who has a positive family support system behind them and with your nurturing and guidance will probably be very successful in their high school and college career. I see so many children in my job that go without basics, much less family support, that I have to applaud your efforts.

Submitted by GAltant on Tue, 09/29/2009 - 9:14am.

Southernboy - you are right!....but that depends, if you are a hovering mom that only wants their child to get A's and when it doesn't happen, complains to the administration, and then when you don't get satisfaction because everyone knows that's a wonderful teacher, you publically abuse that teacher on a pulbic forum like this....makes you wonder!!

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