we're still paying for the religio-war your man Bush started and our kids are still dying over there in the desert cuz Dubya had visions of "Gog and Magog." He is STILL affecting our lives and unfortunately will for a long, long time.

wanting to be included to make sure America knew they had a set.. You mean that war??
You mean that War they all voted FOR? You mean that War?
You mean that War that even Bill Clinton said had to happen? You mean that War?

Your story MAIN debunked in 2 minutes

That is a record even for me...

Maybe you can latch on to this:

I think that's Bush on the Throne I heard he is really a REAPER..

Get over it MainStream...BBBBBush DDDrangement SSSSSyndromm is UUUUncurable I KKKKnow... but there are MEDS call Bonkers.. he has plenty.

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON

Mainstream, with all due respect (and you know I mean that), the religious war that you speak of - jihad - was not started by us.

I seem to recall 12 years of non-compliance with U.N. resolutions. Remember the numerous attacks on U.S. interest that went unpunished. I also remember a plot under the direction of Clinton's administration that was pulled in the 11th hour leading to the massacre of thousands of Kurds - by what? Gas - a weapon of mass destruction.

How does all this relate? Well, after 8 years of being the "Paper Tiger" we were even more vulnerable to attack. I voted for Clinton (twice) and then voted for Gore and was furious with the outcome of THAT election. But I have to tell you that after September 11th, I was relieved that we had a President that would not roll over or try to place our enemies in 'time out'.

I know, you're wondering what in the hell does Iraq have to do with September 11th. Well, we have established that the attacks to our country were the work of terrorists and not state sponsored. However, at that point I believe that it was necessary to deal with BOTH problems - Bin Laden and Hussein.

Did Bush START a holly war? Absolutely not. We were placed into one by those who wish us nothing but annihilation.

Remember September 12th? The day that ALL Americans felt a unity with one another. There were no Republicans or Democrats that day, no black or white. We were united. Where has that unity gone? What I see today is a nation very much divided and very much in turmoil. We will not survive like this. We no longer need to worry about terrorists destroying this country - we will do that job all on our own.

Have a good day. May we always be allowed the right to debate our differences and may we always seek respect even for those who disagree with us.

"Any nation that would give a little liberty for a little security will deserve neither and lose both." - Ben Franklin

The "The Camp" people who flew planes into New York buildings of "evil money changers," as they called them, were trained in Afghanistan and came from just about everywhere except Iraq!
Bin Laden supplied the money and know how.

If we had cleared up that mess nine years ago in Afghanistan, we wouldn't have it YET to clean up.
Instead we headed for Iraq to avenge Bush's Daddy and hopefully to protect oil prices--we did neither except to kill Saddam and his family and about 100,000 or more of Iraqis, wound more than that, and 4000 0f ours dead and 30,000 torn apart and shattered their brains.

There is no way to get around all that which need not to have occurred.
We could easily have contained Saddam with airplanes.
There is still no government there and it will be back like it was as soon as we leave, now, or a hundred years from now.

I don't care how good it makes YOU feel that we tore up something--it was and is useless. It won't keep Iraq from continuing as Muslims and with a MUslim government!

If either of you go back and read my post, you'll see that I never claimed that Iraq had anything to do with the terrorists attacks. Yes, you are both correct that had we focused ALL our efforts in Afghanistan perhaps we wouldn't still be there today. But, then...we would also be faced with a stronger Iraq with a more developed weapons program. I guess; however, that Clinton would be devoid of any responsibility there.

The problem often seems that, while most of us can see that Bush was not infallible and could have done things a little better, no one on the left will ever take any responsibility for the mistakes that there guy made - probably because he was perfect. Clinton was perfect at turning a blind eye to the problems in the Middle East.

My problem is with the assumption that "Bush started a religious war" and with the notion that we went to Iraq to avenge Bush's daddy. That notion is as absurd as those that question Obama's citizenship.

Bonkers: "I don't care how good it makes YOU feel that we tore up something..." - Well, now aren't you the almighty one! You're right, I'm just tickled pink that we blew up some buildings and 'tore up' some things. Why, I just get off on that sort of thing. Man! I just love TNT!!!

Please get back on your meds.

Your assertion as to two of the reasons we went into Iraq are frought from dillusion. It was, and still is, the policy of the USA to protect the flow of oil from the mideast(ever wonder why US warships patroled the area long before Desert One?)and to avenge an assasination attempt would be a stretch even for the leftest among this readership.

I do agree that hindsight is always 20/20, but do not forget the overwhelming support of both Congress and the American people for that action back in 2003. Yes, even the most stalwart of leftists were in support. I'll bet that if I jogged your memory you'd even remember who said:"I voted for it before I voted against it". Hint, he's still a US senator.

As for the losses, I'm with you. Perhaps more than most, I do understand for I have seen first hand the preventable results of national confrontation. The only time anyone felt good about anything in that environ was when they were able to forget. I guess that's why those of WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, etc seldom speak of it-it's something they'd just as soon forget.

The 'meds' thing is getting boring!
Neither Bush ever said it was to defend the flow of oil, did they?

The support that Kerry and congress gave Bush for doing something about New York is exactly what your ilk wants from us when the President asks for it, it is not? Lyndon Johnson got the same OK, didn't he? Nixon, OK.
He could have done what he wanted, couldn't he?

I am familiar with the visits made to homes with dead warriors by buddies and others! Are you?

Realizing that the meds thing may be boring to you, but reread your post. You write something, be a little like your generation and stand up and defend what you said, otherwise take your medicine.

I'll leave you with the following quote from an anomynous source: "For those who have fought and almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know."

So true, so true. I couldn't have said it better myself.

If we had focused on Bin Laden/Afghanistan from the start, we would most likely be outta there by now and I wouldn't be watching my friends shipped off to the battlefield right now.

great to hear from you...
You are correct.. Many forget the run up to Sept 11th.. The Intelligence failures, the missed opportunities, the obvious signs.. All blown.. all just ignored. Then it happened.. I still remember exactly where I was watching it on the News... I watched in shock as the 2nd plane slammed into tower #2.. Then in horror as first one then the other fell..
The thought still chokes me up..

Today many have forgotten the fact that they were at WAR with us long before we realized we were being attacked..

Today.. it's all about pointing fingers.. Obama has the "Birthers" Bush has the "Truthers"

Today.. The Democrats all want to pretend it never happened.. They want America to forget they voted for the act.. They want to say we were lied to.. CRAP.. and we all know it...

Today many Americans want to pretend the towers were never there.. That with a little talk, love, hope and change we can get the Muslim extremist to put away their Jihad against us.

Today.. we just want to go on with our lives.. like the 3000 never existed.. God help anyone actually pointing out the fact that the Fanatics are still there still trying to KILL us..

Why.. because we gave Women the right to vote.. The right to Education.. The right to go out in public uncovered.. The right to be an individual not property.. Where is "NOW" on this.. Their silence is deafening..

Why.. We have individual rights... You can be FREE to practice any RELIGON.. and be FREE from RELIGEON at the same time..

Why.. because WE ARE AMERICANS..

Terrorists: We'll cut off head
of 'prostitute' Britney Spears

Islamists behead three soldiers in Somalia

IMAGES CONTAINED AT THE BASE OF THIS REPORT ARE TAKEN FROM A VIDEO WHICH DEPICTS THE MURDER AND BEHEADING OF NICK BERG, A U.S. CITIZEN WARNING

AND THESE ARE THE PROPLE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TALK TO??

"Any People who expect to be both IGNORANT and FREE, in a state of CIVILIZATION, expects what NEVER was and NEVER will be."
THOMAS JEFFERSON