Just for Kicks, a Trivia Question: What form of government...

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officially exists in these United States of America?

Please keep your answers simple and to the point. Thanks!!!

After a few days I will reveal some percentages from nation wide studies on the answer.

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Submitted by The Wedge on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 10:23am.

It was established as a Republic. The government was established by a Constitution between and among the various states--therefore a Constituional Republic. It was also patterned to be a Federalist style of government. The point of the agreement was to set up a framework of governance that would not devolve into a tyrannical central government or monarchy. With a de-emphasis on the balance between states and the federal government, and a liberalization on the actual intrepretation of the constitution, we are evloving into a tyrannical central government. It is easy to see how it is happening--a very global and universal definition of interstate commerce, and an invention of new rights such as a right to privacy. Also a growing and powerful judiciary bent on remedying social injustice through the courts and not through the laws.


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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 1:50pm.

America's government is a Victimocracy.


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Submitted by DarthDubious on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 10:29am.

In Liberty,

DarthDubious


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Submitted by The Wedge on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:13pm.

Look into cases in the 1960's. It is easy to do the research and find out for yourself. You are an internet cut-and-paste maven. Take a look.


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Submitted by DarthDubious on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 3:17pm.

every room of your house, since you have no right to privacy. Bet you'd hate that wouldn't you.

Common sense is what the Constitution is set upon. As far as "case" law, I've never heard of a "Case Law" Court. There are three types of law: common, equity, and admiralty. Common law hardly exists any longer, as most all courts are admiralty as designated by the gold fringed flags that fly within them. Take a long look.

In Liberty,

DarthDubious


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Submitted by The Wedge on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 4:59pm.

As you clearly could see that I referenced the 10th amendment (edit-maybe I didn't, wanted to but I can't find it-I am a big fan of that amendment), then you would already know the answer to the question that I pose. The states should regulate the level of "privacy" as they mostly do. Most writs and warrants originate from And let's be completely honest, the right to privacy at the federal level is much more to do with abortion than any other thing. And a quick search of jursiprudence would take you to the cases that matter in this regard.
I thought that you were a conspiracy guy. As such, all conspiracies generally start with an all powerful central government. Guess what? we are already there and counter to the true design of the government


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Submitted by DarthDubious on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 7:49pm.

but then again it is not the place of the federal government, or anyone for that matter to force morals on anyone else. However, I'll look into the searches you've suggested.

As a conspiracy guy, the conspiracies really start ABOVE the central government, in think tanks such as The Bilderburg Group, The Club of Rome, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bohemian Club. Then you have the various foundations, trusts, and the military industrial complex. THEN the federal government.

Like it or not that's the chain of command, with Satan sitting above all of it. He OWNS this system of things!!!

In Liberty,

DarthDubious


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Submitted by The Wedge on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 8:38pm.

Is that it circumvented a political solution that would have formed. I am a solid believer in the separation of powers. This is such a good example of an issue that fell within the purview of the 10th amendment. Political solutions would have coalesced and we wouldn't have Anthony Kennedy be the most powerful man in America, an unelected jurist that cannot be removed and is not subject to anyone.
I look into your stuff, I will keep an open mind


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Submitted by NUK_1 on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 11:12am.

First, the 4th Amendment only applies to governmental actions(criminal), not actions by private individuals or groups(civil). Until the 1960's, the 4th Amendment didn't even apply to state actions, only Federal. Also, in the 1960's was when the "reasonable expectation of privacy" clause was first established by the courts.

I don't think there was ever an inherent right to any kind of "privacy" in the 4th Amendment until it was later expanded by the courts as Wedge mentioned. Privacy to me means more than just an issue in criminal matters, and I don't see anywhere in law any type of "privacy right" in any matters except criminal.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:39pm.

"I don't see anywhere in law any type of "privacy right" in any matters except criminal"

How about Skinner v. Railway Labor Executives Association.
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Submitted by NUK_1 on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 2:10pm.

Skinner affirmed that drug/alcohol testing is subject to the 4th Amendment, but basically held that as long as it is done for a reason like safety, it's not a violation. This was a "conservative" ruling and the libs on the court didn't really like it as it said the 4th Amendment doesn't apply because the government's interest in "safety" trumps all else. It's very much an anti-privacy ruling.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 5:52pm.

Yep, that conservative court implied the safety of many out weighs the rights of a few. I sure hope that a future liberal court does not apply the same logic to the 2nd Amendment.

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Submitted by The Wedge on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:15pm.

The right to privacy became the justification for federal action in abortion rights. This was a product of the 60's and circumvented the 10th amendment to the constitution.


Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 10:04am.

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Submitted by DarthDubious on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 10:06am.

In Liberty,

DarthDubious


Submitted by deltman on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 9:29am.

be a constitutional republic but sadly many think the correct translation is a democracy.

Submitted by Hotwing1 on Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:53am.

..would insist that it is a democracy. A (very)few know better.

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