Low blow retracted on second thought. Hey! I'm trainable too.

It wouldn’t be the first time a leftist banana-republic-style ruler was brought to heel by his country’s military. Could this be happening to Barack Obama?

After some stern talk from battlefield commanders, the new president dropped his plan to publicize photos of rigorous interrogation of terrorists, and has also adopted some of the very anti-terrorism polices he denounced in his campaign.

Was Obama’s flip-flop in dealing with the war on terror, which he doesn’t choose to admit exists, nothing more than a one-off aberration?

Or was this the first of additional significant reel-ins by the top brass in a United States military he is clearly uncomfortable commanding?

And what is the collateral role of the U.S. intelligence community in all this?

The Central Intelligence Agency’s director, Leon Panetta, unpredictably of all people, twice slapped down House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a certifiable lefty, for caricaturing his agency personnel as liars in their briefings of her and others in Congress about methods of interrogating terrorists.

Does this unprecedented public intervention by CIA in a historic fight over veracity with Capitol Hill indicate that the intelligence warriors are, like the military, not going to let the Obama administration diss ’em and stiff ’em?

Or did Obama give Panetta the green light to go after Pelosi, who has upstaged him, and to stay on her tail feathers until they singed her right out of office?

Was the speaker acting all on her own, independently of the White House?

Or was she acting in obeisance to powerful and wealthy forces on the far left?

And where in all this is the House majority leader, Steny Hoyer, who lost his battle to take the speakership Pelosi now holds? At times, he appears to be distancing himself from Pelosi. At other times, rescuing her from herself.

Those are but a few obvious questions the Washington Beltway establishment press are too lazy, too obtuse, too housebroken, and too co-opted to poke into.

The only person no one is asking such questions about is the very first — in this instance, the very last — who, under the Constitution, should figure prominently in the drama. That is Vice President Joe Biden, who no longer seems to count.

Stir it all together, and you have a bubbling caldron of shadowy maneuvers, fetid murkiness, inept muddles, and scary scenarios — a wretched witches’ brew.

This kind of stuff goes on all the time in banana republics. But this, for cryin’ out loud, is — or was — the United States of America.

What’s going on is a cluster-scramble for such foreign-policy power as Obama continues to hold, if amateurishly, in his grip — and much more that he has fumbled away or can’t find in the confusion to get his hands around.

No one in Washington is waiting for a presidential honeymoon to end. That’s already come and gone. It’s down and dirty now, growing worse by the day.

Take just the military, for one example. You have to feel a degree of empathy for the professional brass. They know the stakes. They know what’s coming, and they know it’s not sweet peace. It’s ugly and it’s war.

Their background and sworn duty cannot allow them to look the other way when the country they serve and would die to protect is in mortal danger. If they haven’t already acted, don’t worry, they will before concluding it’s too late.

Same for intelligence’s most intelligent. Can they go to work each day confident that the strange, shaky fellow in the Oval Office has their six? Who, among all these factions, really believes, honestly trusts Obama’s fickle word?

Have we descended this far, this fast, in only four short months? And to think another 44 yet remain to become history before Obama’s first hitch is up. Anyone care to contemplate 92 more months, if he festers for two terms?

One thing in this recession is not in short supply — presidential flip flops.

Main, if your research is correct - this is ridiculous. I watched the video again - and the white people in front of the polling place appeared to be observers/on cell phones, etc. (and not 'fearful' at all.) The people going in were 'black'. Main, I think you're right. Political manipulation at it's worse!. . and our 'friends' here fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

Wow. You two are really sharp. Actually, those were not even black panthers. It was Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity in black face trying to make the black man look bad.

Dangit! Foiled again by the supreme intellect of David's egg donor and extreme scream!

Since the recent drop of the judgment against the Black Panthers, a man by the name of Mychal Massie, of Project 21, has stepped forward and is requesting an independent investigation: “From all accounts, this was a clear-cut violation of peoples’ right to vote without fear and intimidation, but the Obama Administration appears to be trying to sweep it under the rug,” said Massie.

Mychal Massie is also a WorldNetDaily columnist.

Your astute observations did not make it far in this thread. I believe the voter intimidation charges were dropped because they were not intimidating voters. It is so easy to distract people with sensationalism that even a misconception, as I believe this to be, can be blown so out of proportion in a pathetic effort to portray it as a mountain of importance when in reality it was a molehill of stupidity by two individuals.

It's not easy being the carbonunit

I'm sure my posts have been read by the radical-right on this blog, however, it seems they don't have a logical rebuttal so they throw their feces at DM instead.

Typical.

There could be another reason. Maybe nobody on the right gave a (what was the word you used again???? Hmmmm, oh yeah) feces what you thought happened in that case....

Let's put a little different spin on this situation. Lets say you, Davids Mom, go to vote in the presidential election in Nov. 2012. Upon exiting your car and approaching the entrance to the polling place, you notice two white KKK skinheads in white robes...one with a baseball bat in his hand, standing in front of the entrance. According to your post above, this is no big deal, and you'll just shrugg it off and walk fearlessly by them to register your vote. You'll exit later and just go on home. No news here..no big deal...it was mostly white folks voting there anyway. To some observers you didn't appear to be intimidated at all. Is that what you expect anyone with a brain the believe? How sad. You really let me down with this one DM.

The charge is voter intimidation. The polling place is in a predominately black neighborhood - and they apparently had no 'fear' of the Panthers. The 'whites' were not going in to vote - but appeared to be observing. Now regarding your scenario - and supposed similarity . . .the Skinheads I doubt would be in front of a 'black' polling place; I would hope that 'whites' would find their presence on front of a white polling place intimidating - but somehow, I doubt it. I probably would find their presence intimidating if I were a 'black' voting at that polling place - but that is not the situation - is it? I voted in Georgia - at an integrated polling place - and I would have found Skin Heads intimidating. It is not the same in an all black area where Panthers may be respected - or an all white area where 'Skin heads' may be respected. The judge probably found that the 'voters' in this case were not intimidated. Certainly no one should have a 'weapon' at a polling place. I'm sure some 'black' voters wondered why those 'white' folk were at their polling place - since they didn't live in the neighborhood, Hmmmmm.

If it was all black neighborhood, have you ever thought that some black that wanted to get away from the stigma of black panthers just ...may...have been the ones that called the media?

Anyone showing up at any polling place with a billyclubb is WRONG!

"The judge probably found that the 'voters' in this case were not intimidated."

How could he possibly have talked to all the voters that showed up that day?

You are really saying that it is ok if we do it, but not ok if the whites do it. Your attitude stinks and if I was Black, I would be insulted. Why? because you are saying that Blacks have to have a different set of rules, that they are incabable of playing by the standards. You are saying, make exceptions for us, because we can't play by the rules. You insult your own race.

A friend of mine had 2 children at a walkup at McDonalds, and was treated horribly by a black lady working there. A black woman behind her kept patting my friend on the shoulder. After the incident, the black woman behind her, told her she was sorry for the way she was treated and if she wanted to talk to the manager, she would go with her.

A different story, I was in the Pavillion this weekend shopping. People have been afraid because of the robberies. A little Black child yelled 'happy summer break' at me. I couldn't help but laugh, because I am very old and on a permanent 'summer break'. I yelled back at him to do the same. His father glowed because he was proud he had taught his kid not to hate whitie, and to do unto others and you would want someone to treat you.

Your ideas are stuck in the 60s. A lot of good Blacks and Whites are moving on, why don't you?

".the Skinheads I doubt would be in front of a 'black' polling place; I would hope that 'whites' would find their presence on front of a white polling place intimidating - but somehow, I doubt it.

Good one, DBM (David's Bigoted Mom)

Paint all white people as accepting of hate groups such as skin heads. That's not racist at all. You are absolutely pathetic. I sure do feel sorry for David.

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a
happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the
other. -- Ronald Reagan

I can assure you that most folks around here would not respect or tolerate either group patroling a polling place.

Your last statement did make me wonder something though. I wonder if all those "black" voters wondered who those ACORN folks were at their polling places and in their neighborhoods. I mean, since they mosy likely didn't live in that neighborhood either. Surely some of them must have been white. Hmmmmmmm.

Also, are you ignoring my post to you from this morning or just no response? Just curious....

What post? . .and are ACORN people 'white'? or representative of all Americans? or what? Also, was ACORN considered 'threatening'? I really don't know much about ACORN - but I'll look it up! I do know that some members of the group were accused of 'cheating' on voter registration forms.

I would hope that 'whites' would find their presence on front of a white polling place intimidating - but somehow, I doubt it.

I would. Heck my wife and I were rather uneasy when we seen the "bed sheet" guys out collecting money along 19/41 on our first day in Georgia.
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That is encouraging - but you're from California! I would find either one intimidating back in the day - because of the violence that usually followed both groups.

"That is encouraging - but you're from California!"

Aren't you glad you're from California and not Georgia? Sounds like DM thinks all of us that were born here would not have that same grace and common sense. How interesting....

The secret is out, now I have to turn in my "card".

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I noticed two thirds of your post evaporated. Our little secret....

Yeah, I did it. I decided to take a different tack.
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I understood when you did it. No biggie either way.

Catch 'em all down in Destin!

Shhhhhhh. Let's keep that a secret. Anyways, I think you're painting with a broad brush about how whites would feel. I'm sure that sniffles, Main, yard, and JeffC would feel the same as me.
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From my experience here - you're probably right! From previouis experience . . ????? Times are changing.

How does the previous experience fit into the equation?
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King Shamir Shabazz, one of the defendants in the voter intimidation lawsuit had this to say about Barack Obama:

"[Obama] is a puppet on a string. I don't support no black man running for white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster," Shabazz has also mentioned his dislike for Obama because Obama does not support black reparations.

LINK

Perhaps you should go back and read the article this thread is actually about before you speculate that the 'New" Black Racist Panthers are mourning the loss of John Wayne and the demise of the McCain campaign in front of polling places with weapons in and around Philadelphia.

Okay, I've read the entire story and here's what I think:

First, my standard Liberal situational outrage: Let's not pretend otherwise, this case was initiated at the behest of the Bush political operatives in the Justice Dept. Their selective enforcement of laws will be their lasting legacy of shame. This court case appears to have been initiated because A) it appeals to the Republican base because B) it teaches those "uppity Negroes" a lesson.

Okay, back to "fair 'n balanced" mode....

What those "armed" clowns in Philadelphia did was stupid, and it was juvenile. It was also, however, against the law. The law specifically states you cannot have armed goon squads at polling place to intimidate the voters. Period. This law has been on the books since Bull Conner and his firehose boys took care of things in Alabama back in the 1960s. People got the message: until this incident occurred I cannot find a single instance of armed voter intimidation since the 1960s. Voter intimidation DOES still continue, but has consisted entirely of verbal harassment of voters, typically (but not exclusively) Republican "flying squads" imported from other states to verbally harrass and challenge minority voters. Whether you agree with the legitimacy of this approach or not (and I don't) the law specifically does not address this form of harassment so it is not a crime. As a side note, former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court William Rehnquist was one of the very first proponents of verbally harassing minority voters, that's how he came to his initial prominence in the Republican party in the 1960s.

But I digress....

Regardless of the motivations of the Bush crew in selectively enforcing this law, the simple fact remains that the legal process was engaged to determine the guilt or innocence of these suspects. Since the case was already in the criminal justice system, it should have been allowed to proceed to its ultimate determination of guilt or innocence. The Obama administration made a grave error in short circuiting the legal system via political posturing. Simply put, what the Obama administration did was wrong. (See conservitards? This is how you criticize your own party. You might want to bookmark this thread for future reference).

I hope I've explained myself and my position to everyone's satisfaction. Meanoldconservative will be along shortly to misrepresent my position and tell you what I really meant to say.

Thank you for recognizing that injustice is unacceptable whether it is by a Republican, a Democrat or a third party.

As for those who fail to protect liberty or recognize the erosion of our rights, they pose a grave danger to freedom and liberty.

You and I can agree that this was a failure to enforce and protect the rights of Americans to vote in a free and open election without harassment or intimidation. This grave violation of the voter rights act is a gross failure by the department charged with protecting us from this and should be very alarming to us all.

Nah, I think you might be good to go on this one. I didn't read any of your typical asinine blanket statements on this one like:

".....their side finally murdered one of the most prominent abortion supporters in the United States."

Carry on.

Way back when this video was posted about the paramilitary clowns intimidating voters at a polling place, I expressed my disapproval. I feel they broke the law and should be punished.

What is quite interesting to me is you and your amigo's desparate attempt to make this case about President Obama. I read this story top to bottom, and bottom to top. Nowhere did I see anything implicating our president; Nowhere. I believe reasonable people ascribe to the concept of personal responsibility. Once upon a time, Conservatives did too. Not so much now. That ended when you guys tried to shove Rev wrong's words and Bill Ayer's past into Obama's resume'. Anyway, The concept goes like this: If a person does something wrong, they are held responsible. If that be a local democratic campaign worker who gives a nut job official polling credentials, he should be held accountable. The nut jobs should be held accountable. But to try and implicate the President for the behavior of these local clowns is comical.

It would be like me trying to blame this murder on all pro-lifers, simply through association. But that is intellectual dishonesty. And, currently, I choose not to join you in that thought process.

That's all I've got to say about that.

Amigos? Yo Bro - waz up wit dat? Why a sussesful dog like u gonna axe like u aint even try to feel dis, yo?

Who's justice department do you think made this decision 'Brother'?

Who talks like that?

Where did I ever mention race? Your record seems to be stuck. That's your problem. Not mine. And unlike Sotomayor, I am not empathetic, so I really couldn't care less whether or not you find an effective argument.

As for your personal and non-topical comments: Ouch. You hurt me so deeply I am not sure I will recover.

for you.

Jmart. Drop the "we" (unless you have MPD).You are speaking for you. I am speaking for me. not us. not them. Me. You started blogging when it was apparent your party was going to lose the white house. You bring up race more than any other poster I can think of; even David's Mom. I said very clearly that I thought the poll intimidating clowns should have been punished. You can't change what I said or feel to fit your preconceptions. Keep trying though. I'll sit back and watch you fail, and look really strange doing it.

Have you even looked at your own moniker? It says and I quote: " The Negro President Frowns On Your Shenanigans"

Have you read it?

Is "NEGRO" a race? Did you have something about a "Caucasian" president that I missed?

In addition- why don't WE poll the bloggers if you don;t think you appear to be defending Obama because he is a "Negro". Do you think he would respond the same about the debt, the spending, the takeover of private companies, and the KKK being let go for blocking "Negros" from the polling place without penalty by a White Justice Department being headed by a white man under a white administration?

Speak up bloggers. Is the "diva" consistent or does he show hypocrisy in his outrage and inconsistency based on race?

Diva's Negro President thing shows Diva's hypocrisy; JMart is dead on right. It is ok for Diva to use the N word but whitey gets slapped with a lawsuit. Race, in Diva's view, is a tool that can only utilized or mentioned if it gets something like affirmative action. I did not vote for President Obama but I support him and I do not hope he fails. He is the President of our great but not perfect country. And I would hate to have any child (particularly one of color) hear President Obama referred to as "The Negro President".But hey if you are black you get a double standard on everything.

Please forgive Diva's absence from the blog board: he is suffering from Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from throwing that race card a little too much.

I would hate for my children to have to hear black people get a double standard on everything.

Maybe a better question is why do you want to be able to call black people negros, and presumably n****rs.

Ouch.

You are going to make that negro pilot really unhappy though.

The negro pilot doesn't like your shenanigans.

Is it any worse than "somewhere in Kenya, a village is missing an idiot"?

Sometimes some of the people who blog here sound like the folks that the Secret Service need to know about. A pattern of violence has become evident once again in our country, especially with extremes and radicals. I wonder how many people realize how words can effect the wrong person's demented mind and send them on a mission to make a name for themselves, because they think they have a cause. A reason to hate, to kill. Should these things be happening in America?

Domestic terrorism...a sad fact, but a reality. I will continue to HOPE.

Merrilyn--- who you talking about--- The Harlem Globetrotters ?

Oh merrilyn......you better send them a text message and tell them all about this blog in particular!

Maybe we will get the same justice department no-action and we will not be allowed to comment on a racist moniker while at a poll! Or maybe they will just think you are a nut case and come after you!

Oh my!

Call out the DOGS.. bang on the doors... Merrilyn is ready to turn you in.. So reign in some of that uncontrolled speech.. She has joined the ranks..
BTW.. my real name is Fred Garvin.. COME AND GET ME

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS..

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I guess two or more makes it a "We" after all.

Have a blessed day.

Help! Fellow bloggers! Come stand with me! I feel naked and stuff. I can't get this blogger mad. I can't get this blogger to accept the ideas I assign him! Come prop me up.

Jmart. do what "fred" does. Call Cal to come help you out

Icckkkk! Now I have slobber on my hands

... is funny to us all. I would take more pride in it but you are after all a mental midget. I certainly enjoy reading all of those who tell you what a moron you are but have yet to see anyone ask for help in dismantling your feeble arguments.

But there really is one blogger looking for support here:

Delusional Diva, and I quote his post here:

"Jeff. I knew I had seen this strategy before.
Submitted by diva on Mon, 06/01/2009 - 11:10am.

I just had difficulty calling its name. Check out the same battle-tested tactic at work on the Obama courts militants blog."

Translation: I am in over my head again so JeffC please come to my rescue and take some of the heat off of me!

Sorry diva - no one wants any part of this decision by the racist injustice department except for you, the black panthers, and Obama.

Ouch.... it must hurt to be that stupid.

C'mon Delusional, Diva--- just yell louder. Do some more cut and paste. Get some Jesse Jackson training tapes. Just because it has been proven that even a monkey can fly an airplane, researchers have yet to get a chimp to engage in intelligent political discussion.

That was simply a terrible comment to make and uncalled for.
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despicable is the word I choose to describe your comments.

It's not easy being the carbonunit

You are as consistent as the sunrise in the East.

Thanks. I appreciate you all!

Absolutely the most tasteless response I've ever read on this blog Taxpayer. What a complete ass you are.

No big deal. And thank you for being a bigger person. I've got an elephant's memory

Don't put me in there with "all these guys & girls." The comments by ptctaxpayer were below the belt and just plain mean!!!

Tug

Not sure if they are guys or girls. They are in an entirely different class than you. There attempts to get personal are amusing. It escapes them that it is all made possible because I don't hide, and gladly socialize with any and all bloggers anytime...except "fred." He has deep issues.

You are a gem!

Fondly,
The Rev. Al Sharpton calls the use of the word “Negro” to be “racist and discriminatory.” So isn’t it wrong for you Mr. Diva to use that term in your moniker and to call our Chief Executive the “Negro President”? I support our President because he is our President. I would not call him a Negro. Doesn’t that confirm a hateful image in the eyes of all children? The simple answer is that if you are black it is ok to use any “N” word. I will hope that you do not just refer to me as a “typical old white woman”. Please change that hateful moniker.

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1. I don't listen to Al Sharpton, so you might as well quote Rush Limbaugh.

2. You have skillfully ignored:

"Obama O %hit"
"Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot."
"Chairman Maobama"

The last two are from the spineless jellyfish "fred" who is currently hiding in your skirt.

Thanks, but no thanks for your heartfelt advice.

I'll call the folks at the Negro League baseball museum and at the United Negro College fund and tell them they are now racists.

By the way, I stole this avatar from Sniffles; a white guy. So you can file your false double-standard charge in the inaccurate comments file.

White guys can be racists too. Remember Robert Byrd? The problem is - it won't make you any less of one and two wrongs don't make a right. It makes you a liberal. Ha!

It's a gang fight now.... poor diva.

White guys can be racists too. Remember Robert Byrd?

That was a mistake to put the writing part above Fondly. I meant no disrespect to Rev. Sharpton.

Fondly,

Mrs. Fran Sheldon

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The moniker is very offensive to people like me and should be taken down.

The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a
happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the
other. -- Ronald Reagan

I am sad for you. You have demonstrated an inability to stand on your own two feet, starting from when you lied saying "at least I have the courage to blog using my real name."

Check your own avatar before you foolishly seek Cal's censorship AGAIN

Sad, man.... Sad

Please seek help.

and suddenly noticed a pimple on the bum of my post. Do they sell ointment for those?

Obama trying to avoid ACORN is like Richard Nixon trying to avoid involvement with Watergate. In his heart, Obama is a Black Panther, gushing with frequent past support of ACORN.

how profound..................................................................................................

Nice reply to voiceoffayett - now, can you try addressing the topic?

"It would be like me trying to blame this murder on all pro-lifers, simply through association. But that is intellectual dishonesty. And, currently, I choose not to join you in that thought process."

"Intellectual dishonesty". A perfect description if someone were to make an asinine statement such as that. Uhh-ohh, looks like Sniffer was willing to make it in his latest blog when he said:

"It took 16 years of trying (since 1993), but their side finally murdered one of the most prominent abortion supporters in the United States."

So, what say you diva? Was Sniffer being "intellectually dishonest" making that statement? If so, somebody needs to tell him. I doubt he'd listen to me, but since ya'll are so tight.....

I take a month off and come back to find that some things never change: specifically you're misstating my position. Again.

You will note that diva was including "all pro-lifers" in his argument. I recognize that there is a legitimate disagreement of opinion on the subject of abortion, and I can respect that. For example, I've gone toe to toe with both muddle and git real on the subject, and I can respect their opinion although we disagree.

I took pains to single out, by name, those people (epps, nelms, conner, perkins and bpr)who I felt were the icons of intolerance in this town. These cretins have no respect for any opinion other than their own, and all of them have continually demogauged against abortion and demonized those who disagree with their positions.

As such, I felt, and continue to feel, that this sort of hate speech (whether or not "sanctioned by the Bible") is exactly the sort of thing that changes weak-minded fools like this Operation Rescue member Scott Roeper into killing machines.

I am of the opinion that Dr. Tiller's blood is on their hands. Feel free to disagree....or heck, just misstate my opinion and then criticize it. The latter is what you do best.

And I extend that courtesy to you as well. But I do hope you lend blah/"fred" a backbone.

Racist black militants who violate the law and everything we stand for in our country let off the hook by Hussein Obama's justice department is the topic.

See the top of the page. I welcome your opinion of the charges all being dismissed by Obama's justice department. The only one 'prosecuted' is the one that took a plea never dreaming they would be let off the hook.... his punishment? He can't bring any more weapons to an active voting site. Wow, harsh stuff.

Stop changing the topic -

The whack jobs that Sniffles refers to like to say there is only one race; the human race. You, since losing your anus in the November election, seem to be fixated on the black race. As these agents of intolerance have proven to be vengeful and unstable, I would suggest you be careful as you trample all over their "one race" concept. You might just say, three thugs so as not to gratuitously single out blacks. A reverse race card as it were.

ps. Are you actually rush limbaugh? I'll keep your secret... honest.

Did you care to comment on the topic? It's located at the top of this page. Do try and follow along please.

Glorified bus drivers really annoy me.

Are you mentally challenged or something? My response is one of the top on the thread. I feel sorry for people who have to lie to make themselves look and feel brave like ham-fisted "fred." That's why I , in pity, have left his blogs alone. You, it appears, are quickly racing to join the "too pathetic to argue with" elite select team. But, I deal with this strange envy thing quite a bit. Heck, if someone got paid so well to sit in a chair that they loved to sit in, I'd feel a bit of "why not me" as well, so I completely understand.

Yeah, Diva you looked really cool in that airplane seat at the carnival. Too bad they had to stop the ride to let you off.

You have not commented on the fact that Obama's justice department let these "thugs" go. Would you care to now that you have been informed as to whose justice department it is?

Do you agree with this decision by Obama's justice department and support it or not?

Simple enough that time driver?

as his slobber-covered ball rolls aimlessly away from him; with no one caring enough to kick... it.... back.

I do have a lot to say on the topic but I've got a doctor's appt to run to. I'll address it a bit later, probably this afternoon. You might even be surprised at my position.

Strange set of values you hold there Sniffles. 23+ week babies are viable with proper medical attention even if delivered then. Of course had they not been dismembered and delivered via the death canal they would have become full term in most cases.

He has killed thousands of viable late term babies and you never said a word.

Protect the week and the innocent Sniffles. Try bemoaning their demise at the hands of the selfish millionaires who clip off their limbs while they rest in what should be the safest place in the world before you paint all who follow their Church's teachings that abortion is murder as killers and fanatics.

Is the pr-life Pope equally guilty of Dr. Killer's murder?

The man who killed your good Dr. Killer, err, Tiller was a sick puppy and his actions have been condemned by all parties. What more do you want?

Too bad all parties didn't condemn the killing of thousands of viable babies by Dr. Killer, err, Tiller.

By the way Sniffles, you, Diva, David's Mom, and the others that hold lock step narrow minded views aren't exactly icons of tolerance and love either so check the mirror before you cast stones and the local churches.

You took a month off? Who cares?

"I take a month off and come back to find that some things never change: specifically you're misstating my position. Again."

Well, let's see....exactly how many sides are there? Here is what you said:

"It took 16 years of trying (since 1993), but their side finally murdered one of the most prominent abortion supporters in the United States."

So, those that believe as you do are on "your side". Those that don't believe as you do are by extension.....on the "other side". Nobody lumped into the group you assert is "your side" did the murder, right? That means someone outside the group that believes as you do...ergo, "the other side" did the murder. Right? Seems fairly clear.

Sounds like you trying to wiggle out of what you said by blowing a LOT of hot air. Just one of the things you do best. In addition to blowing hot air....criticizing anyone not agreeing with your positions, whining, "trying" to intimidate other bloggers. You get the picture....

My apologies, meanoldconservative. I keep forgetting that as a self-styled "social conservative", you are obligated by political beliefs and limited intellectual capacity to see things solely in terms of "black and white", foregoing any acknowledgement of "shades of grey".

But for the record, I'll explain my position using small words and easy to digest thoughts that maybe even you can eventually understand:

As you said, there are basically two major camps: pro-choice and anti-choice. Within each of these camps, however, there is a broad spectrum of positions ranging from "lip service" to "fanatical zealotry". For example, I have a female friend who is anti-choice. When I asked her why she felt that way, she said she did so to appease her husband, because he feels that way and she knows he'd be mad at her if she didn't support his position. In other words, lip service.

The midpoint of the anti-choice/anti-woman position are those people who are against abortion on moral grounds. That's their perogative, and I respect our difference of opinion. This is America, after all.

Unfortunately, at the far right fringe of the anti-choice/anti-woman position are the demogagues, clinic bombers and assassins. Now, I'd like to make very clear that I do NOT think that the five icons of intolerance (epps, nelms, conner, bpr, perkins) here in Fayette county would necessarily have the intestinal fortitude to do the actual dirty work of shooting doctors or bombing clinics, but I can EASILY see them celebrating such acts in the privacy of their own homes and/or contributing to the defense funds of these terrorists.

I realize you have a vested interest in attempting to keep me on defense by continually justifying my position, so I apologize in advance for not participating in your usual stream of "gotcha" questioning.

In the shriveled, amoral remnants of what used to be your conscience, you know that killing that doctor was wrong. Whether you choose to publicly acknowledge that undeniable fact rests entirely with you.

Have a nice day!

"I realize you have a vested interest in attempting to keep me on defense by continually justifying my position...."

I didn't ask you to justify anything. I reminded you of the blanket statement you made. Trying to weasel out of it I see...

I realize my previous post had a lot of words in it, which is difficult for someone like you with an inherent short attention span to digest, let alone understand.

If you have any children who don't take the short bus to school, you might enlist them to read my commentary aloud to you, so as not to overly tax your limited intellectual capacity....then you might be able to form a relevant, coherent response.

Have a nice day!

You both avoid answering questions and you both insult kids with special needs. A complete post there of insults with no relative information whatsoever.

A beacon of hope and change you are there buddy.

Seems like I read about someone with similar personality traits suffering severe reactions due to overuse of Enzyte. Surely that stuff comes with a label. Some people might just fail to read it before bathing in it in all the excitement. He did take a month off from blogging and all. And, there was mention of a doctor's visit today....

Jmart...honestly.... Do you in any way, shape, or form feel you are "a beacon of hope and change?" Are you trying to make us wet ourselves??? Dude! You posted the dumbest blog of the year:

"JMartinez: Obama: Sobbing Kindergarteners Snubbed for Steelers?"

Heck, you and Sniffles are opposite sides of the same biting coin. He's just funnier than you.