Why won't the city answer the question about speeding tickets?

I wrote a simple three sentence blog asking about speeding tickets.

Someone who works at the City Hall told me the number of police traffic citations over last year has increased dramatically.

I know a bunch of people are mad about the "radar patrol" on Highway 74.

How can you find out if police fines are turning into a revenue stream?

I'm glad Councilman Haddix responded, but he won't answer the question.

Good gosh people, I was told speeding tickets dramatically increased Jan - Mar in 2009 over 2008. Is that true?

If it is true, it sure looks like a sneaky way for the mayor and company to fix the city's budget.

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Submitted by Ellie Mae on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 8:38am.

He only has "part" of the information. I wrote to PTC just like he states. The cut and paste job he has done is the 1st response that I received from Pam D. Here is the rest from the 2nd e-mail he did not mention...
Here is additional info from the Court Clerk. She has some additional figures on fines collected for Jan-March that are more specific to tickets that come through our Municipal Court. The numbers I sent you from the Finance Department report include everything (tickets, library fines, etc.), while hers are specifically for the tickets processed through our Court for January, February, March. She also noted that not all tickets written come through Municipal Court, some go to Juvenile Court, State Court, Superior Court, or Magistrate Court. None of the fees from those courts come back to the City. Laura’s figures also include payments made online and through the Probation Office.
Haddix didn't get a copy of that one apparently. Don't you love it when that happens? REMEMBER it was MY request for information that he was cutting and pasting from. He couldn't/wouldn't ask for it himself.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 9:39am.

To correct you, I emailed Pam to provide you the answers, not you.

The blog question was:
How can you find out if police fines are turning into a revenue stream?

That was answered. The answer is no.

Income stream information is in the packet, as stated before. Warning tickets continue to outnumber fines.

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Submitted by Spyglass on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 1:29pm.

regarding the grass around the City..specifically the Parkway South of 54...am I too assume that the ragged look we have now is the look we will have? It looks horrible again. Not pleased at all with these so called grass cutters.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 1:41pm.

I have some questions into Staff as of yesterday. Awaiting answers.

And no, a ragged look is not going to be standard.

Not sure if all the protected wild plants have seeded out yet. Every year questions about such areas are asked and the answer is the same, meaning clover and some other wild plants do not get mowed until fully seeded out.

I will relay answers once I get them. Probably will not be before Monday.

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Submitted by borntorun on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 4:50pm.

Don...good to see you back on the blogs lately....wanted to get back to you on a question I had sent you earlier but you either forgot to answer me or you intentionally ignored the question.

You've been very outspoken about big boxes and how they are killing PTC....question to you is have you monetarily supported the big boxes in PTC by shopping and spending your money there?

Fair question if you are going to make it part of your platform.


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 11:12pm.

Increasing the number of people shopping at Big Boxes has nothing to do with the problems the cause. That actually increases the problems.

As I said, read the studies on my website. All explained there.

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Submitted by borntorun on Sun, 05/03/2009 - 9:28am.

Don, in the history of politcal non answers that may rank as one of the best. Your answer does not address my question so lets try again.

Do you shop at Walmart?


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Submitted by DarkMadam on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 9:30am.

The question has been asked several times very directly. He has never answered and has will never answer. It is political suicide. If he says yes - he is supporting the big boxes. If he says no he is lying. Let’s just do it this way. Most cell phones have cameras. If you see him in a Wal-Mart, Snap a pix of it! Then no answer will be required of him.


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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 4:38am.

Yes he shops at WalMart - or at least he goes inside and puts things in a cart - that's what I saw when I saw him there a couple weeks ago.

But he's right, how many people shop there is no excuse for approving big boxes. Haddix's problem is he goes too far with social engineering and oversteps his job description by trying to deny zoning based upon empty stores elsewhere and gets involved in specific brands instead of just zoning and land use.

The back lash comes from borntorun and others when they ask a simple question and he can't answer.

Cyndy really needs to run for mayor. She would answer - sure I shop at WalMat everyone does.


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 9:13am.

Mudcat, we do disagree on a number of things as I did when 'Hubby' was mayor. That is the right of both of us. His right, as well, to have exercised the powers of his office as he deemed appropriate at the time.

As well Spyglass has a right to try to promote his vested interest in the field in which he works. Yes, I know where he works.

Borntorun I do not know.

But false accusations go to far.

You have never heard me tell any developer what store names he could or could not put on their legally zoned property. I have never tried to deny anything being built they could legally build.

It IS my job to approve or deny rezoning on the basis or what PTC needs, wants, the Land Use Plan and Comprehensive Plan. It is not my job to make every developer that comes to town happy by giving them all they want.

It IS in my job to define zoning ordinances.

Back when Hubby was mayor PCDC exercised extensive development control.

If that is social engineering then every elected official is guilty.

Yes, you like Cyndi for mayor. She does try to compromise with developers, as reflected in voting for McMurrain's Big Box development, the 54 W light and selling of the Line Creek streets.

By the way, I didn't answer the Walmart question because it is a diversion. It has nothing to do with the issues of crime, cost and the rest that are the reasons many cities are banning them and actually eliminating them.

Nor did borntorun answer me when I asked him if he loves Big Boxes, large shopping centers and such so much why does he live here instead of Newnan?

Issues need to be focused on the central issue. Peripheral arguments are fruitless.

Social engineering? Wow! Trying to subliminally attach me to Obama.

Remember, I opposed mandating one trash hauler, policed recycling, adding newspaper containers by mailboxes, forcing Hip Pocket onto sewers and so forth.

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Submitted by borntorun on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 7:53pm.

Mr. Haddix, your refusal and rationale to not answer my simple question "Do you shop at WalMart?" is absolutely astounding!

My question is not a diversion, Mr. Haddix. Let me explain something to you. You oppose big boxes...fine...that is certainly your right. However, for you to publicly oppose a store like Walmart and make that a campaign plank but financially support it with your money is pure hypocritcal and shows your are willing to compromise your principles. And that is what this is all about...principles. Not diversion tactics.

Now, since you failed, no, refused to answer the question, it is apparent that yes you do support Walmart financially. So we now know, you will say one thing running for office but see no problem in supporting something you opposed during the campaign. Just as I suspected....another political hack.

As for your statement, "Nor did borntorun answer me when I asked him if he loves Big Boxes, large shopping centers and such so much why does he live here instead of Newnan?", again sir, I am astonished.

Mr. Haddix, I am a private citizen and as such hold no elected office. And as a private citizen, I am not beholden to answer your questions. However, you, sir, as an elected official and one running for a higher office, do have an obligation to respond to constituents questions that relate to campaign matters. And since you've made big boxes a campaign issue, you sir have an obligation to respond.

And for the record, why I choose to live in Peachtree City is frankly none of your business.

God help us if you by chance are elected mayor.


Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 7:21pm.

I've tried to tell you that not much good can come from you arguing with folks on these blogs. Obviously, you didn't listen.

I, like other property owners in PTC have a vested interest in seeing home values etc, PRESERVED. We are on the same team, believe it or not, we both want the best for PTC.

So I take it you do shop at Walmart etc...frankly, I can't stand the place, and wouldn't have been for it's approval to begin with (I occasionally buy charcoal there, if and only if, the garden center is open). But I digress..with KMart already on the scene, it would been a losing proposition for the City to oppose it, in my humble opinion.

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Submitted by mudcat on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 6:46pm.

Dude is out of control. He failed a very minor stress test and he comes out with "Hubby was mayor"? Meaning my hubby as I often call him. This means I'm a mayor's wife, I guess I'm Brown's babe, Debi Lenox, Nita Brown, Shirley Frady, Jerri Cowan or Who?

For the record, I am none of the above, but Cyndi now gets a free lunch tomorrow and a big check to help her run for mayor. Hope the other first ladies of PTC join me.


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 8:01pm.

names you listed.

You gave yourself away by repeating, in a past post, the exact same statements using the exact same words you made in a public arena where we both were.

Nice try though.

And by the way, you didn't see me pushing a shopping cart at Walmart a couple of weeks ago. I was out of state that week.

Enough said. Enjoy your lunch.

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Submitted by Spyglass on Sun, 05/03/2009 - 10:27am.

for that matter are BIG BOXES. Does he shop at any store in PTC that is larger than 30,000 square feet? At least I think that's the cutoff for not needing a special permit to build bigger.

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Submitted by borntorun on Sun, 05/03/2009 - 10:41am.

I agree Spyglass but he seems to be a simple man so I was trying to keep the question as simple as I could. Again, if he says yes he does shop at WalMart or any store as you described then he is nothing more than another hypocritical politician who espouses one thing on the stump but practices another in his private life. I suspect that is why he is avoiding the question. Give this to Cyndi, agree with her or not, she at least answers questions and offers explanation for her actions.


Submitted by Dondol on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 4:07pm.

This area looks like hell, the grass is 2ft tall. Is this the states job now or are our new contract grass cutters responsible? I know that this is going to take some time, but just exactly how long before they start doing what they are being paid for, or is this as good as it gets?

Obama's weapon of Choice!

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Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 5:38pm.

a crop of rye that we see growing in the medians and along the sidewalks on 74. It reminds me of the fun and excitement we used to have trying to harvest small grains using my dad's dilapidated and jerry-rigged farm equipment, all the while dodging the shotgun pellets from dove hunters, so that which looks like hell to some people helps to bring back precious memories to me.

It's not easy being the carbonunit


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Submitted by borntorun on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 4:31pm.

As I understand it, for the time being the State DOT is responsble for mowing both the center and sidewalk areas of the new 74's. Don't think you can blame Logsdon or the contractors for this.


Submitted by Spyglass on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 5:53pm.

Regarding the state of 74 South Grass and WHY IN THE WORLD they have barrels in the exit on I-85/Hwy 74. I SEE NO PURPOSE in it.

Blame thrown willy nilly gets nothing done. Some here apparently think Logsdon is in charge of EVERYTHING in their life.

Submitted by Dondol on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 4:41pm.

Not trying to blame anybody, just trying to find out who's suppose to do the cutting because it looks like Riverdale at its finest! I wonder if we can cut it and charge the State as the City would us if it were our house, but I bet ol Harold doesn't have the nads for that.

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Submitted by borntorun on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 4:46pm.

I can't attest to Harold's nads but if the City did what you suggest, it would be opening itself up to a potential lawsuit. The City doesn't own the median or the right of way and has no right to access it and cut the grass. Someone told me the City did offer to cut it, but the DOT said no.


Submitted by Dondol on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 4:50pm.

Thanks for the info, and I'm glad that you can't attest to Harold's nads!

Obama's weapon of Choice!

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Submitted by borntorun on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 4:57pm.

So does my wife!! lol


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 11:09pm.

The barrels are GDOT's. I cannot answer that one.

Tru-Green is still hiring workers to fill out their crews. They are also still learning the mowing patterns. A full cycle is 2 weeks.

Been about 2 weeks since they began mowing at all.

They have to hire more to get the weeding, etc., going. But tree removal is suppose to be happening now.

I am talking to Staff and Staff is talking to Tru-Green to get fully hired, fully up to speed and fully getting the cycle and patterns correct.

GDOT has not turned 74 over to us for mowing. It is only sown in rye, not the final grass.

We cannot mow until they release it to us to mow.

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Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 05/05/2009 - 9:00am.

I'm surprised that True Green is still hiring...you would think they had that covered when they were granted the contract...I'm starting to think they bit off more than they can chew. I hope I'm wrong.

The GADOT really seems to be dragging their feet with us on many venues. A contact for the "people" of PTC sure would be nice. I know most of us are tired of looking at the ragged state of 74 South.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 11:37am.

City Hall does answer questions. I did give you ways to find more information. But you have to ask them directly.

Someone else asked and here is a portion of their email answer, which I was CC on since I sent them to City Hall:
We just got the Police Department’s monthly report for March so I have some statistics through that time. Per the March report, 1,641 tickets and 1,724 warnings were issued through March 31. Their report is based on the calendar year. As of the end of February, the Finance Department reported that the City had received $431,591 in fines & forfeitures, but the Finance Department figures are based on the fiscal year, which began Oct. 1, 2008. The March report will be included in the May 7 meeting packet, which will be posted on the website Friday afternoon. Their monthly report is usually the last one I get for the packet, so I don’t have the most up-to-date numbers yet. Per the report for December 31, $251,357 was collected. Which I subtracted from the March total for $180,234 collected for fines & forfeitures in January & February.

Please let me know if you need any additional information.

As stated, more warnings are issued than citations.

Nothing is being hidden. There is information in City Council packets that are posted online Fridays before Council Meetings. You will see all negative issues are increasing, not just traffic issues.

You will also see about 1/3 of fine money leaves PTC.

We have Staff whose jobs it is to answer these questions. They have the detailed information. Councilmembers do not even have offices at City Hall. Only the Mayor does.

But even he has to work through the City Manager and appropriate Staff.

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Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 9:10am.

And not use these blogs.

I really don't care if violations are up myself. I don't speed, or run red lights/stop signs. Let them stop the lawbreakers, and if it means a little more money in the kitty, so be it. Raise the fines for all I care.

Submitted by sas on Sat, 05/02/2009 - 10:45am.

Thank you Spyglass! My sentiments exactly! I would bet the biggest complainers are the ones that have to pay the citations!

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