No Surprise: Flu Virus a Mixture of Swine, Human, and Avian Virus Types

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When what is now called a “swine flu” was first reported last week to be infecting, and killing some people in Mexico, health officials noted it was a strain of flu never before seen. In fact, it is technically incorrect to call this simply a “swine” flu. Analyses showed it’s a mixture of swine, human and avian viruses, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Also, it is genetically different from the fully human H1N1 seasonal influenza virus that has been circulating globally for the past few years. After a review of the evidence, there is one conclusion: the new flu virus contains DNA from avian, swine viruses (including elements from European and Asian viruses) and human viruses.

So did this curious mixture just develop naturally, out of the blue? Is it the result of inhumane farming practices, as the Humane Society of the United States ( has suggested, that exposes immune-compromised pigs to all sorts of animal and human feces?

Well, maybe. But let’s go back and look at the facts to see if any other scenario could be possible.

First of all, there’s the troublesome detail that the virus has elements that come from multiple continents. Then there’s the fact that true swine flu is only rarely transmissible to humans — this flu is spreading human-to-human, most likely because it contains DNA from human flu.

Could someone have deliberately mixed these viruses together? Is that possible? Absolutely.

Was this virus mixing being done artificially in the lab, or had it already been done? Yes.

Who was blending potentially viruses in labs? Were those horrible generic boogie men known to Americans far and wide as “terrorists” doing it? There’s no proof of bioterrorism at work here yet. However, there is evidence the United States government has been working on concocting new flu virus blends.

So could the hysteria-provoking, new swine flu have escaped from a lab? Or was it deliberately released as some kind of test? When these kinds of questions are asked, the knee-jerk reaction of the mainstream media (MSM) is to giggle and talk about “conspiracy theories” and to joke about wearing tinfoil hats.

But here’s the potential smoking gun, the facts that suggest a potential source of the pandemic could be CDC labs. And at the very least, this possibility deserves thoughtful examination and research.

The University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy (CIDRAP) is hardly a place most Americans have heard about and, apparently, the Center’s web site has news the MSM isn’t familiar with, either. But information they published years ago has now taken on an urgent importance. CIDRAP, along with the Canadian newspaper Canadian Press (CP), revealed back in 2004 that the CDC was launching experiments designed to mix the H5N1 (avian) virus and human flu viruses. The goal was to find out how likely it was such a “reassortant” virus would emerge and just how dangerous it might be. Of course, it’s logical to wonder if they also worked with the addition of a swine flu virus, too.

Here’s some background from the five-year-old report by the University of Minnesota research center: “One of the worst fears of infectious disease experts is that the H5N1 avian influenza virus now circulating in parts of Asia will combine with a human-adapted flu virus to create a deadly new flu virus that could spread around the world. That could happen, scientists predict, if someone who is already infected with an ordinary flu virus contracts the avian virus at the same time. The avian virus has already caused at least 48 confirmed human illness cases in Asia, of which 35 have been fatal. The virus has shown little ability to spread from person to person, but the fear is that a hybrid could combine the killing power of the avian virus with the transmissibility of human flu viruses. Now, rather than waiting to see if nature spawns such a hybrid, US scientists are planning to try to breed one themselves — in the name of preparedness.”

And CDC officials actually confirmed the government had plans for the research. The CIDRAP News folks did a great job covering this important issue, which was apparently mostly ignored by the MSM back in 2004, and CIDRAP News wrote to the CDC for information. This e-mail produced an answer from CDC spokesman David Daigle who admitted the CDC was working on the project in two ways. “One is to infect cells in a laboratory tissue culture with H5N1 and human flu viruses at the same time and then watch to see if they mix. For the human virus, investigators will use A (H3N2), the strain that has caused most human flu cases in recent years,” the CIDRAP story stated. This co-infection approach was described as slow and labor-intensive. However, it was a way to produce a new virus that appeared to be closer to what develops in nature.

There was another, faster way CDC scientists could create the mix, too. Called reverse genetics, it involves piecing together a new virus with genes from the H5N1 and H3N2 viruses. Reverse genetics had already been used successfully to create H5N1 candidate vaccines in several laboratories, the CDC’s Daigle wrote. “Any viable viruses that emerge from these processes will be seeded into animals that are considered good models for testing how flu viruses behave in humans… The aim will be to observe whether the animals get sick and whether infected animals can infect others,” he revealed in his e-mail.

What’s more, the CP reported the CDC had already made hybrid viruses with H5N1 samples isolated from patients in Hong Kong in 1997, when there was the first outbreak of that virus, dubbed the “Hong Kong flu”. It is not clear if the results of that research were ever published. Back in 2004, Dr. Nancy Cox, then head of the CDC’s influenza branch, would tell the CP only: “Some gene combinations could be produced and others could not.”

The CP’s report noted that the World Health Organization (WHO) had been “pleading” for laboratories to do this blending-of-viruses research. The reason? If successful, these flu mixes would back up WHO’s warnings about the possibility of a flu pandemic. In fact, Klaus Stohr, head of the WHO’s global flu program at the time, told the CP that if the experiments were successful in producing highly transmissible and pathogenic viruses, the agency would be even more worried — but if labs couldn’t create these mixed flu viruses, then the agency might have to ratchet down its level of concern.

The 2004 CIDRAP News report addressed the obvious risks of manufacturing viruses in labs that, if released, could potentially spark a pandemic. However, the CDC’s Daigle assured the Minnesota research group the virus melding would be done in a biosafety level 3 (BSL-3) laboratory. “We recognize that there is concern by some over this type of work. This concern may be heightened by reports of recent lab exposures in other lab facilities,” he told CIDRAP. “But CDC has an incredible record in lab safety and is taking very strict precautions.”

Five years later, we must ask more questions. Were those safety measures enough? Was the CDC creating or testing any of these virus mixes in or near Mexico? What other potentially deadly virus combinations has the US government created? Don’t US citizens, as taxpayers who funded these experiments, have a right to know? And for all the residents of planet earth faced with a potentially deadly global epidemic, isn’t it time for the truth?

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 10:53pm.

I do wonder why we are not hearing about the virus having the DNA of avian and human flu viruses..
When this first came out it was reported daily..many said it could not happen natually... then zipo nada nothing else said. It is a "swine" virus????
Anybody ever read "The Stand" by Stephen King..?? If not get it... read it.. Starts out exactly like this.. Weird stuff..

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Submitted by Blah Blah on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 11:53pm.

If we banned pigs our eviroment would be cleaner. we would not get sick as much and your arteries wouldn't clog and die. Stop eating animals. It isn't supposed to be that way. dont eat animals and you wont get sick. I blame this on the unprepared republicans of the last 8 years. no plan and no vison.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 9:56am.


unprepared republicans and what is the best way to prepare a republican.. I like to use a rub.. then some Italian dressing.. allow to marinate 2-3 hours then slow roast over good banked charcoal..
mmmmmmmm.... delicious

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS.. Evil


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 10:05am.

You're just going have to forgo your beach time and wait patiently for the loony Comrade to chime back in.

How's the weather at the red neck Riviera?

I'll be there in 33 days to play with the fish.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 10:11am.

weather has been great.. mid 70s and sunny.. A little smoky in the morning from the wild fires.. but by mid-day the wind shifts and blows it back inland..

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS.. Evil


Submitted by mysteryman on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 8:10pm.

For a secret biological testing labratory.. Where humans are exposed to all types of new genetically engineered products. I mean come on folks, what the heck was the McRib, made of??? What about the filet of fish??? And is that really a hamburger in that Happy Meal your kids are scarfing down... I digress... Just kidding, but made ya wonder ehh.. I mean look at the rash of ignorant fast food commercials here lately and see what happens to folks as they consume this mystery meat, 24/7. BAH BAH BAH BAH BAH Im not loving it, and niether should anyone else... The borders should be closed immediately, what if this is the next pandemic. This is the point in which action needs to be taken... Instead our leaders just sit back and say theres no need for alarm.. What they really mean is lets see what happens, doesent hurt to cull the heard a little every now and then.. Beam me up Scotty, theres no intelligent life left down here... Good luck Darth see you on the other side....PEACE

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Submitted by DarthDubious on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 7:01pm.

because THEY want this to develope into a pandemic. Go read State Dept. memo 200 by Kissinger back in Nixon's admin. The people at the top want a 70-90% reduction in population. The UN pushes "sustainable" development. Whenever you hear this term, they are talking about killing a bunch of us.

The globalist eugenics program has been soft kill until now. They are in full-tilt boogie on putting all these programs in place before the Obama sham fails, and people wake up and realize he is a puppet and no better than Bush.

In Liberty,


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 8:25pm.

would not have made any difference. By the time this thing first popped-up on the Mexican health officials "radar" those infected were already in transit to destinations all around the world.

Give it another week or maybe two on the outside and we'll see if this flu strain morphs into a different strain.

BTW, I told you all Sunday to watch the headlines about this flu. Did anyone buy pharmaceutical stocks?
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