Number PTC traffic citations a record?

Someone who works at the City Hall told me the number of police traffic citations over last year has increased dramatically.

I know a bunch of people are mad about the "radar patrol" on Highway 74.

How can you find out if police fines are turning into a revenue stream?

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 8:25am.

I think this would be an interesting story idea.

Since our new police chief Halifax Clark has been in charge for a while now, there's a feeling among some folks here that the number of traffic tickets has climbed substantially on his watch.

I, for one, would like to see an apples-to-apples comparison of traffic tickets issued under Clark's management vs his predecessor.


Submitted by Blah Blah on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 6:26am.

The police is profiling people for stops. A friend got a ticket for a tag that was expired for a few days. How can the police see that from side of the road? Do they use binoculars too?

A system of limitless individual choices, with respect to communications, is not necessarily in the interest of citizenship and self-government.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 8:44am.

It's a right wing plot to stop socialism one car at a time. Sneaky isn't it?

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 04/28/2009 - 9:31am.

As in maybe PTC just has more traffic law breakers than ever before? Again, mountains out of molehills. SO WHAT if tickets are an all time high. I've yet to have them ticket me for going just over the speed limit, or stopping at stop signs, etc.

Sort of like sin taxes, you do the sin, you pay the tax.

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Mon, 04/27/2009 - 3:23pm.

Doug, if you look at the packets posted on Friday before each Council Meeting you will see all numbers are going up in the wrong way. EMT, Fire, vandalism, litter, crime stats, etc.

But less than half the pull overs result in tickets. Problem is there are increasing reasons to pull people over.

As you will see as well, in the packet, about 1/3 of the citation revenues collect are passed along to the State and elsewhere. They place requirements on cities that many do not realize.

Annual reports are posted at the end of each year on the issues you are talking about.

You can email info@peachtree-city.org and request the information.

I can tell you there has been no known efforts made known to me to use citations as a source of revenue.

As for the speed on 74, that GDOT set. Last said was they would revisit the speed once construction is complete. But not until.

I too find the speed puzzling, as well as a number of the curb cuts or lack thereof.

GDOT policies are a concern and dilemma to just about every elected official I know, and I know a bunch from around the State.

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Submitted by Ellie Mae on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 11:04am.

I just sent that e-mail and what did I get back? An automated e-mail response from Betsy Tyler stating that she would not be back in the office until 05/11/09. Yippy. I can sit and wait on city hall. Nothing new in PTC!

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 11:11am.

Betsy is probably out for medical reasons.

Send your email to dhaddix@peachtree-city.org. I will forward appropriately.

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Submitted by Blah Blah on Tue, 04/28/2009 - 6:19am.

That is a creepy picture. Got anything less posed?

Blah, Blah, Blah

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 04/27/2009 - 10:31pm.

So is Doug right Mr. Haddox? Your answer sounded like the ticket writing is going way up.

I hope this isn't a way to plug the budget shortfall.

Vote Republican


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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Mon, 04/27/2009 - 10:30pm.

So is Doug right Mr. Haddox? Your answer sounded like the ticket writing is going way up.

I hope this isn't a way to plug the budget shortfall.

Vote Republican


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Submitted by DarkMadam on Tue, 04/28/2009 - 9:42am.

Ticket fees are placed into the General Fund here in PTC. That appears to be where the budget short fall is.


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Tue, 04/28/2009 - 8:25am.

Already stated there is NO effort to use tickets as revenue generators.

I didn't like it when Tyrone was a well known speed trap before 74 was extended and would have zero tolerance for it here.

Most tickets issues are warning tickets, not fines.

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Submitted by ionizd on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 9:54am.

need to be issued, and big ones! I'm a professional driver, and I'm also a father of two, including a six year old. I find the behavior appalling along 74. There are way too many scofflaws out there and they pose a threat to law abiding and considerate drivers. I can't tell you how many times I've been cut off, with my child in the car, by an angry speeder who thought my adherence to posted speed limits was a personal affront to his/her sensibilities. Tailgaiting slower vehicles is standard, and even though I stay to the right and obey posted speed limits, occasionally I have to pass a slower vehicle. That's when the highly aggressive speeders, who routinely exceed the posted limit by 20+ miles per hour, choose to vent their frustration by roaring up to within 2-3 feet of my back bumper, riding there until I pass the vehicle to my right-and actually get closer if I take too long- then speed away at some multiple of the posted speed limit. That scenario occurs daily. As an added bonus, some particularly obnoxious individuals will make an obscene gesture, berate me for daring to delay them through closed windows, or sharply dart in front of my vehicle and slam on their brakes just to let me know what A$$HOLES they are.
I don't mind the speeders too much, but can the cops be just a little more observant when it comes to aggressive driving?
"All I ask for is a little common sense. Apparently that's too much to ask for."


Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 1:06pm.

And I have no excuse for folks flipping you off/tailgating etc...BUT if you are passing another vehicle, get on with it. No need to drive 55 to pass a car going 54 (just stay behind said vehicle instead of blocking up more traffic). Speed up a little, make the pass, then get back in the right lane, and resume a speed you are comfortable with.

That said, I prefer taking the golf cart to Partners. Smiling

Submitted by Dondol on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 10:39am.

when they come up behind you and behave the same way that you just described. I have our local cops do the same to me on several occasions, I'm doing the speed limit and they come roaring up behind you and tailgate you with-in 3-4 feet and then turn off and speed down the road. As long as our local police officers are allowed to act this way how can we ask them to stop others from doing it. Don't get me wrong I completely agree with you on this one.

Obama's weapon of Choice!

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Submitted by Don Haddix on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 11:00am.

I do not like speed traps. I do not like people endangering others on the road or jamming up traffic by blocking the left lane illegally, in example.

Excessively fast and excessively slow are both dangerous, just for different reasons.

I will support the police for issuing needed tickets, but not as revenue generators.

Sometimes the police are on silent run for good reason.

But when not they are just like every other car on the road as regards the law.

I drove 74, including through Tyrone, for 20 years. I have experienced many of the annoyances mentioned many times.

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Submitted by Doug on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 8:20am.

Ok, you don't like speed traps, but what I asked is whether the issuance of speeding tickets has increased sharply.

For some reason, it looks like you're beating around the bush on this one which is unlike your normal shoot-straight style.

Please just give us the stats January to March 2008 vs. January to March 2009. Don't you have access to this kind of information?

I know the speeding tickets issued on Highway 74 alone have got to be double at least. If 2009 is much higher than 2008, I've got to assume it's to make up for holes in your budget.

You can print the stats in this blog, right? It should be public information.

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 04/30/2009 - 9:12am.

Why the worry? How many tickets have you gotten? Smiling

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Submitted by ionizd on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 1:03pm.

"I do not like people endangering others on the road or jamming up traffic by blocking the left lane illegally, in example."
"Excessively fast and excessively slow are both dangerous, just for different reasons."
What part of "obeying the posted speed limit" did you misunderstand, Councilman? Shall I take this comment as your blessing to exceed the posted speed limit? I brought this up as a matter of enforcement of the law, not to debate the safety of the speed limits. Hey, here's an idea; how about favoring the motorists along 74 with a little less radar gunning and a little more simple observation for aggressive and unsafe driving. Perhaps the police could issue warnings to those who find it necessary to slow to 10 miles per hour less than the posted limit whenever the police are running in the open? That's also pretty unsafe.

"All I ask for is a little common sense. Apparently that's too much to ask for."


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Submitted by Don Haddix on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 2:03pm.

No, I do not endorse speeding.

So, I will take one more shot at clarifying my position.

Breaking the law is breaking the law. Period. That is as clear as I can make it.

Going 57 in a 55, in example, is not unsafe, but it is illegal.

As for going slow enough to impede traffic, that is illegal as well.
Georgia Motor Code 40-6-184
No person shall drive a motor vehicle at such a slow speed as to impede the normal and reasonable movement of of traffic, except when reduced speed is necessary for safe operation.

As for those who live in the left lane, there is a proposed law that states if going slower than the flow of traffic, you cannot be in the left lane. And yes, that means even if the flow is above the speed limit.

I agree on common sense. You are right. But that includes no need to be in the left lane if not passing or clogging up traffic by driving well below the flow of traffic, which is dangerous.

I hope that finally clarifies my position. If it does not I don't know what else to say.

Obey the traffic laws. All of them.

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Submitted by Dondol on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 3:14pm.

Don't know how much clearer you can be, if anybody cared to look there are signs all up and down the road that states Slower Traffic Stay Right. You just have to pay attention and read!

Obama's weapon of Choice!

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 04/29/2009 - 1:32pm.

generates more $$$ per hour. It's MUCH easier to make stick than other tickets.

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