YouTube: Obama Cites Debunked Claim That Most Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

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“A demand for these drugs in the United States is what is helping keep these cartels in business … more than 90% of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States,” President Barack Obama said Thursday. However, Fox News debunked this claim weeks ago: “It’s just not true. In fact, it’s not even close. The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.”


Please note they got their info from an ATF special agent and actually gave some sources to support that the 90% is a lie by our government! This is an attempt to take away our gun rights. A blind man can see right through this crap!

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced — and of those, 90 percent — 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover — were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

So, if not from the U.S., where do they come from? There are a variety of sources:

– The Black Market. Mexico is a virtual arms bazaar, with fragmentation grenades from South Korea, AK-47s from China, and shoulder-fired rocket launchers from Spain, Israel and former Soviet bloc manufacturers.

– Russian crime organizations. Interpol says Russian Mafia groups such as Poldolskaya and Moscow-based Solntsevskaya are actively trafficking drugs and arms in Mexico.

- South America. During the late 1990s, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) established a clandestine arms smuggling and drug trafficking partnership with the Tijuana cartel, according to the Federal Research Division report from the Library of Congress.

– Asia. According to a 2006 Amnesty International Report, China has provided arms to countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America. Chinese assault weapons and Korean explosives have been recovered in Mexico.

– The Mexican Army. More than 150,000 soldiers deserted in the last six years, according to Mexican Congressman Robert Badillo. Many took their weapons with them, including the standard issue M-16 assault rifle made in Belgium.



Let’s set things straight right up front.
Yes, some guns are being smuggled into Mexico from the U.S. Most are handguns.
But, handguns are being illegally trafficked from state to state and from the U.S. to Canada.
It should come as no surprise that guns are smuggled into Mexico.
But, the problem being portrayed by the U.S. media and our government is not as it seems.
You see, Mexico doesn’t allow ownership of most firearms, so ordinary Mexican people seeking self-protection will find a way to get them into Mexico.
As for the drug cartels operating in the border towns along the U.S., they have other sources for their weapons and have become the prime supplier within Mexico.




In El Salvador, approximately 20% of the assault rifles turned in voluntarily for consumer goods were clearly marked “Property of United States Government”.

We know that these are not newly introduced weapons as there is evidence that the U.S. government introduced tens of thousands of M-16s and grenade launchers in the 1980’s.

How about that: “Property of United States Government!”
From where have these arrived?

I ask THIS question as fully automatic machine guns of new manufacture have been OUTLAWED for sale in the U.S. to private citizens since 1986:

Defendants Made, Sold & Possessed Machine Guns in Northwest Georgia

ATF Special Agent in Charge Vanessa McLemore said of today’s sentencings, “These individuals demonstrated a disturbing disregard for ATF’s regulatory authority and as a result, found themselves subjects of a criminal investigation. While the successful prosecution of those who possess unregistered machine guns is noteworthy in itself, we are pleased to have further disrupted an entire unlicensed, unregulated source of supply for these illegally manufactured weapons.” Ms. McLemore noted that while individuals may possess
and transfer machine guns lawfully registered prior to May 19, 1986, federal law prohibits the manufacture of new machine guns unless they are intended for distribution to local, state or federal agencies.


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Submitted by JeffersonY on Sat, 10/24/2009 - 2:08am.

Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Yovanna Guzman was a young model who loved gold, diamonds…and violent criminals! Normally, you shouldn't date someone that kills thousands, but then again, a crystalline version of coal is…valuable…if you…aren't intelligent. Yovanna Guzman dated Wilber Varela, one of the most dangerous, psychopathic drug lords in Colombia. She got jewelry, cars, and all kinds of stuff – oh, and for her "love", shot! ("Happy Anniversary, honey"…BANG! Oh yeah, someone you can take home to Mom.) Varela shot her in the leg. Everything else aside, Yovanna Guzman does deserve sympathy, and her life story is harrowing, but the rest of us should consider personal loans, or at least a job before anything like that.

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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 2:41pm.

Obama's number of 90% represents only the percentage of crime guns that have been submitted by Mexican officials and traced by U.S. officials. says that the number is probably between half what the Prez says and about double what FOX claims.

Par for the course in both cases.

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Submitted by S. Lindsey on Sat, 04/18/2009 - 10:11pm.

"Furthermore, the 90 percent figure is based on a badly biased sample of all Mexican crime guns. Law enforcement officials say Mexico asks the U.S. to trace only those guns with serial numbers or other markings that indicate they are likely to have come though the U.S.

Fox News has put the percentage at only 17 percent, but we find that to be based on a mistaken assumption that throws its figure way off. We can't offer a precise calculation because we know of no hard information on the total number of guns Mexican officials have recovered. But if a rough figure given by Mexico's attorney general is accurate, then the actual percentage of all Mexican crime guns traced to U.S. sources is probably less than half what the president claims, and more than double what Fox news has reported."

Wow they can't really say if their info is accurate, but FOX has got to be wrong..and Mexico a bastion of competent and reliable Goverment officials has to be RIGHT.

Guns in Mexico

I will not lower my standards.. So UP YOURS.. Evil


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