Board Member: "Teachers... Jerks", Human Resources: How to get the 2.5% back from teachers.

I listened to the "PodCast" of the board meeting. You should too. If you would like my take and summary, here it is:

Our teachers can rest comfortably knowing that at least one Board Member, Ms. Smith, thinks the majority of teachers are "Jerks" and their very own Human Resource Director, Renee Ellis, claims to have spoken prior to this meeting to the school's lawyers to investigate how best to legally take the teachers /parpros/ secretaries 2.5% raise.

It's true, one of our esteemed Board Members, Ms. Smith, (living in a million dollar home) thinks any teacher who would not support the prospect of giving back the 2.5% raise is a "Jerk". (One hour and 33 minutes in to the podcast.)

Podcast The Board Meeting of Jan. 5

The Human Resources director, Rene Ellis, ($105,000 salary and an $84,000 assistant) claims she had already spoken to lawyers (Mr. Hartley?) about how to take the 2.5% pay raise from the teachers. Does that mean she is the architect of this fiasco? It must feel nice to know as a teacher that these are your "supporters". (One hour and 36 minutes in to the podcast.)

While they had for many minutes previously discussed benefit cuts and meandered through how they can make-up all of the cash shortfall via the school building and classroom teachers / personnel, they failed to discuss any alternative solution convinced that they must involve our teachers and students.

(I think it is so interesting that the chief concern is that they penalize all of the teachers and administrators equitably. How considerate.)

They worked equally as hard to try to re-open the enrollment period for 'benefits' so they can cut the current employee benefits even further and sooner.

In fact, they argued and discussed about eliminating any job not required by the state (at the school level NOT county office of course) and eliminating the county contribution to teacher pay (local supplements).

It seems that the "out of the box" thinking was actually "in the box". The box being the school itself of course.

Perhaps we can find a way to look outside of the building. Here are a few ideas that I came up with while I listened to the podcast:

If a household has more than three students there should be a $2,000 surcharge. ($8,500 x 3 students = $25,500/year is all you get folks.)

Out of county students are not permitted unless they pay $10,000/yr. tuition. (Certificated Employees children can come for $8,000/yr.)

People sending kids here illegally are pursued in court and charged the entire amount of expenditure to reimburse the tax-payer (i.e.,student attended three years w/o being caught - now owes $8,500 x 3 = $25,500 to the tax payers of Fayette County PER CHILD ATTENDING.)

The over 100 special permission students at Whitewater high school (and of course all others will be withdrawn immediately) (100 x $8,500 = $850,000 of the 1.8 million shortfall)

Have 25 year retirement in lieu of 30 year (The highest paid teachers could be replaced with younger newer teachers at a greatly reduced expense - also, the state would save 10% on the retirement pay for the teachers who retire at 25 years for the life of the teacher.)

Make MAJOR Central Office Personnel cuts- not the school building until all other cuts are made: Combine Sam Sweat and CW Campbell's Job, Combine Fred Oliver and Len Wenzel's Job. Make all County Coordinators half time at the central office and half time at the school as a teacher. Train Parapros as substitute teachers save sub-pay and use them when needed, eliminate the Human Resources Assistant, Eliminate Public Relations and her secretary, Privatize Facility Services, Eliminate Middle School Athletics, Privatize Transportation, Privatize or have open campus or eliminate Food services, implement Pay to Play for all high school sports, I could go on and on and on..... but it's not my job and I think we have a school board and a building full of administrators who are responsible for making these decisions.

Ms. Smith reminds us multiple times that Marion Key insists that she is receiving dozens and dozens of calls from teachers who want to give back their raise. It's nice to know Ms. Key's constituency isn't a bunch of "Jerks".

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Submitted by Just Saying on Sun, 01/11/2009 - 9:44pm.

JM...I enjoyed your budget balancing ideas especially those about the content area curriculum coordinators. These people make $100K and most have not stepped foot in front of a classroom in years yet they tell the teachers how to teach. It would do them good to teach an actual class of actual students for 4 hours a day (not including lesson planning, parent conferences, paper grading, CRCT test prep, GPS interpreting, etc. that "real" teachers are required to do on their own time).

I'd like to suggest that you add middle school assistant principal/ILT to your list of those who should teach half days. Sure, it would mess up their 3 hour lunch (aka cafeteria duty), but, again, it would do these $85K plus people good to return to the classroom for a few periods a day. In most private schools, the AP always teaches at least one class.

Adding these experienced, highly qualified professionals to the classroom would certainly benefit our students.

Submitted by helpful lawyer on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 9:46am.

This is just one lawyer’s opinion.

First, please read the following paragraph.

The salary figure shown in this agreement includes a 2.5% cost-of-living allowance which may be discontinued at any time, at the Board’s discretion, should the State of Georgia not timely remit to the Board the full amount expected in the Board’s budget for the school year.

If the Fayette County Board of Education had inserted a paragraph like this in its contract with teachers, that would have prevented at least one of the problems it has today.

Good legal advice, when it is followed, generally produces superior results.

Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 8:17pm.

In another school district in this country - when facing a similar problem regarding salaries - the ADMINISTRATORS took the cut! It takes leadership and 'trust' to take a step like this. I have great respect for the Superintendent of Fayette County Schools - (he was second to the Superintendent chosen as Georgia's Superintendent of the year). . .but I feel he made a poor decision this time.

Submitted by fayette911 on Sun, 01/11/2009 - 9:41am.

Can someone find out if this "rumor" is true? I have heard that the principals get an additional $100 a teacher that have on staff from the county. This is supposed to supplement their salary and with schools with bigger study bodies it would mean a bigger supplement.
Is this true, if so, why hasn't it been brought up as fat that can possibly be cut.
And why were the administrators put on 3 year contracts when teachers are only allowed 1 year contracts.
There is so much top fat that can be TRIMMED (not cut) that I'm just afraid it is going to be ignored and the teachers and students will be the main ones suffering.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Sun, 01/11/2009 - 11:13am.

than one might expect.
Those who fine tuned their positions, segragating groups on email trees, will have to spit out their views for all at once to hear.

Those that have always been drowned out, will have a chance to be heard by all.

It was clear from the last pod cast, most all our schools are under enrollment and the number of kids are declining. There will be about 26 over at Birch. Over crowding at Birch was the reason given for millions spent on Rivers Elemetary that is now moth balled.

When you go to the BOE web site, you are struck by the picture of a vast tract of land for sale.

When you hear the pod cast all 1hr 30 mins of 'we don't want anyone hurt' gets old.

The 3 controlling the vote made some very bad decisions on spending that they are trying to sweep under the rug. Sorry guys, it has now become the elephant in the room.

What is so hard about 1st cutting the extra staff down at the administrave office?

Then if the school population is less than when you hired all the extra teachers, you are going to have to start with the most junior at each school, and get rid of a few.

You wouldn't listen when people said we didn't need to buy vast tracts of land, you wouldn't listen when we said we didn't need schools in the middle of no where. You bullied on and had a learning expense as land speculators at the taxpayers expense.

Now it is time to do the right thing by everyone and grow up and make some decisions. If your kid has to go to a different district to teach, it is not the taxpayers fault, you need to look closer to home.


Submitted by MacTheKnife on Sat, 01/10/2009 - 2:42pm.

The State of Georgia Mandated the 2.5% pay raises. They were supposed to split the cost with the local system (about 2 million each in our case) but did not.

I cannot even recall the last time Fayette County volunteered to give the teachers here a a pay raise. The local supplements for most positions were frozen years ago.

It looks to me like the human resources department hired employees (NOT just teachers!) that the county could not afford and the school system did not need. Reliable sources tell me the human resources director did the exact same thing in her previous job with the Atlanta Public School System. Imagine that.

The 'rainy day' surplus /reserve that most systems have (we had a 7 million dollar surplus/reserve under the previous comptroller, Clayton County for example has a $25 million surplus/reserve) was depleted due to, in my opinion, mismanagement and poor planning.

Now that we (Fayette)will have to pay the state mandated raise, and since we have depleted our reserves and over spent and under budgeted, we have the 1.8 million dollar shortfall you are seeing being batted about and held over the teacher's heads.

Placing legal double speak in contracts is really more of a dis-service to the profession of teaching than a protection from the accountability of mismanagement.

Submitted by helpful lawyer on Sun, 01/11/2009 - 6:46am.

Teacher salaries consist of (1) a statewide minimum required by law and (2) a supplement provided in the discretion of the local school board.

The supplement can always be clawed back, in whole or in part, but only if an adequate provision has been made in the written agreement (contract) signed by the teacher and the school board.

It’s the school board that gets to write the contract.

The point remains that good legal advice, when followed, generally produces superior results.

Of course, one first needs the wisdom to seek that advice, which for some people is not easy.

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Submitted by suggarfoot on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 6:33pm.

I really enjoyed the part about Birch Elementary, you know the school that is so overcrowded that they...HAD...to build Rivers? We go to about 119 mins into the tape to hear Birch has 664 enrolement. Capacity is 638 that is 26 students over! Someone then ask how many trailors, the answer is 14, then someone says they...think? there are 8 class rooms in trailors, but they aren't sure. Then some guy, Wright, says he has NOT been out there to check lately.

These pod cast are great! Cause it seems like it was Marion Key that ask about Birch. Thanks Marion. You and Dr Todd are letting the cat out of the bag. There is more than one way to skin a cat!

Something else on the tape, just before Birch, is about the fact that they have more teachers than contracts. To retain some of the good ones they don't have slots for, DeCotis suggest keeping them as substitutes at full pay and benifits, then when they had jobs open up, they could slide them in. That is nice, but where is the savings?
Then Smith starts again about billing the taxpayers.

I'm appauled at what I heard! We need to ask these people to step down! I feel, they built a school in the middle of no where for the developers benifit, not our children. The truth is, unless they take the Clayton county kids, they can't fill it up! They went on to talk about Peeple's being ....under capacity...and I know Tyrone Elementary is ...under capacity....! To have built that new school...they are utter fools!


Submitted by darwin on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 6:15pm.

Ms. Smith.......you have embarrassed yourself and shown your complete lack of professionalism. I hope you didn't go to church this holiday season because you certainly seem to missing some important character traits of a christian. Or then again maybe you should spend all day there this Sunday in deep contemplation. I think you should offer your resignation from the school board on Monday and publicly apologize to all the teachers you insulted with your lack of class.......

Submitted by butterfly161 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:24am.

I want to be Lyn Wenzel when I grow up!....I can make 129,000 dollars when I'm not soppose to: I can say Bennett's Mill's forever: I can replace a director that is not needed: and I am best buds with the board chairperson.

Submitted by butterfly161 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:21am.

Bob and Marion...we know that you have set up people to blog for you! Get into the 21st century and learn how to turn a computer on yourself!

Submitted by butterfly161 on Fri, 01/09/2009 - 11:19am.

Come on people...the comptroller recommended the 2.5 pay cut! When are you going to demand a check of her figures?

Submitted by Linda Wheatley on Thu, 01/08/2009 - 6:19pm.

You can tell Terri Smith that the "jerks" are the people who claim to care about students- yet begin all the cuts in the trenches where it directly impacts the students. They should begin by looking at the top and looking for cuts for all things/positions that do not directly work with children on a daily basis. They should be trying to protect the education of the students, not trying to figure out how to screw the hard-working teachers and paraprofessionals.

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