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Wed, 06/04/2008 - 9:01pm
By: Cal Beverly

As the editor and publisher of The Citizen newspapers and TheCitizen.com online daily edition, I invite all our online readers to now become active participants in discussions involving all things Fayette, Coweta, South Fulton and metro Atlanta, in addition to regional, national and international issues.

Within our updated forums area, you can now post your thoughts, concerns, praises, criticisms and opinions in a multitude of forum categories.

Just log into our online system by creating your screen name and a personal password. Once that's done, you then have posting privileges, meaning that you can have your say and see it show up on our site in the section you designate.

Our site really has three entry points for your participation: Comments on specific stories, your own blog entry, and — now — your creation of or comment on an ongoing conversation (“thread”) in a forum.

You can enter the forums area by clicking on any of three points: (1) In the left navigation rail, under “Forums”; in the middle right rail under (2) “Active Forum Topics”; and just below it, (3) “New Forum Topics.”

Clicking on any one of those three links will get you to the main list of forums.

Our forums will play by the same rules governing comments and blogging. To wit: No personal attacks on private persons, no “outing” of posters by revealing personal or private information not included in their postings, and no obscenity.

We request that you keep your postings clean. Folks who post raunchy stuff or otherwise ignore the posting rules will have their posts eliminated and their posting privileges pulled. Permanently. So let's play by the rules.

Other than that, just about any aspect of public life is fair game.

The forum topics range from politics to pets, arts and entertainment to home-schooling, health and wellness to energy and environment, and all stops in between.

With that said, jump right in: The forum water is invigorating.

-- Cal Beverly, editor and publisher, The Citizen, Fayetteville, Ga., June 4, 2008

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Submitted by pentapenguin on Sat, 12/01/2007 - 1:52am.

By: Cal Beverly -- Wed, 10/19/2005 - 1:15pm
Woo. That's old. How did this get dug up?


Submitted by timberwalker on Wed, 11/28/2007 - 6:39pm.

The Democratic Party of Coweta County is holding an evening meeting in Senoia on Tuesday, December 4, 2007 at 6:30 p.m. The meeting will be held at the Historical Society which is on the corner of Couch Street and Standing Rock Road. We are holding these evening meetings so that people who cannot attend on Saturday mornings will still be able to participate in the democratic process. We always welcome interested parties from Peachtree City and West Fayette County. Please help us make these evening meetings a success.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Wed, 11/28/2007 - 7:34pm.

Cynthia McKinney? I heard she is looking for some bleeding hearts.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Wed, 11/28/2007 - 6:48pm.

I can make that one. Look forward to it. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.


Submitted by timberwalker on Fri, 11/30/2007 - 5:42pm.

Yardman, hope you can make it to the meeting. We may have a speaker, Rand Knight, running for U.S. Senate against our present Senator. He's definitely speaking at our regular Saturday morning meeting on Dec. 1 at the Westside Restaurant on Temple Avenue in Newnan, 10:00 a.m. He will let us know then if he can make the Tuesday evening meeting. Just FYI. Keeping the faith might be easier in the next year!!! I'll post a notice if Mr. Knight will be at the Tuesday meeting.

Submitted by alasdair on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 7:35am.

Source: http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=28435

Over the last few months, there has been growing evidence for a tsunami hitting the Eastern Coastal regions of the Americas on April 1st, 2007. Although the evidence comes in the form of parables, the reasons for the event are straightforward. In summary, over the last 2000 years, people have chosen to follow Paul or other ideologies over that of Jesus. His main message, “Love your neighbour as yourself” has been drowned out and the results are poverty, oppression and war. These are fuelled by ideologies such as consumerism and capitalism, which are particularly prevalent in the West.

worldends.co.uk stresses the need for the removal of all ideologies in opposition to following Jesus enabling the formation of the ideal human society. One underlying ideology is wisdom (“common sense”) which has been highlighted using the number of the beast; the 666th name in the Bible is Solomon who was famed for his wisdom.

This has a bearing on the date of the tsunami. The opposite of wisdom is foolishness, and Palm Sunday falls on April Fools’ Day this year. The tsunami on this date represents anti-wisdom, anti-666 and the first step towards removing all ideologies opposed to following Jesus.

The North American continent has a picture of the whore of Babylon drawn onto it from the outline of Hudson Bay, with Labrador representing the Scarlet Beast as described in the Book of Revelation. Babylon has significant Biblical relevance, and is predicted to be destroyed by a mountain being thrown into the sea (Revelation 8:8).

The tsunami will originate from the island of La Palma (note that the name sounds similar to “Palm” as in Palm Sunday). A volcano on the island will erupt causing a landslide into the sea. The volcanic dust cloud will also cause the full moon to shine red as predicted in the Bible (Joel 2:31).

New evidence has arisen from events exactly one month before the predicted date. On March 1st 2007, a volcano erupted on the island of Sicily. The name of the island sounds like “silly” which has relevance for the same reason that April Fools’ Day does. On March 3rd, the lunar eclipse caused the moon to shine red, paralleling events predicted for April.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 8:03am.

I have a vision also.

I got up this morning, 2 birds were singing outside my window. This means that today in honor of spring the 2 trouble maker kids in our neighborhood,(satans child, and dahmer jr) are going to leave my property alone for one day. (fingers crossed)

Flowers are blooming, the sky is clear blue, which means this will be a perfect day.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 03/21/2007 - 8:33am.

It is obvious that our war in Iraq will soon end, since yesterday I saw a red cockaded pecker flying backwards! A sure sign of backward peace.
If you noticed, some fishermen pulled up a 25 foot long Octopus out of the water last week. A sure sign that we are about to lose many ships at sea shortly. Remember the tales of the sailors in Columbus' day? Now, I believe them.
The tsunami mentioned in the comment on here happened in New Orleans sometime ago. I agree with everything said by the commenter except she got the date mixed up.
I also saw a purple flower, first thing this morning, and sure enough, I soon burpled, I mean burped.
Signs are everwhere. Except on diamond exits.

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Submitted by Cal Beverly on Wed, 10/26/2005 - 4:07pm.

On the occasion of my first-ever “blog” I’d like to congratulate every candidate who has put his and her heads on the public chopping block.

Even the most campaign-hardened candidate must reel in dismay at times from the verbal assaults that come their way.

Sometimes the assaults have some basis in fact, but often it’s just unmitigated personal dislike, even hatred.

Peachtree City Mayor Steve Brown is likely the most hated local candidate I’ve seen in more than 30 years. I can recall one more hated in nearby Griffin from three decades ago, but he is likely long dead and immune to our opinions.

The raw hatred of Brown by his opponents reflects most badly on those very opponents. There is just no justifiable reason for such public and private displays of bad manners and bad mouthing.

No lives are at stake here. No nation is going to war as a result of one PTC mayor’s decisions. The whole anti-Brown campaign is just ugly, ugly, ugly.

Is Brown so virtuous? No, he is a mouthy public figure in his own right, but he generally starts at some public policy position, rather than from a staring point of personal hatred.

Is he right often? That’s the rub: About the issues he has caught the most flak about, he generally is correct in his initial positions.

His mistakes have come from his too-ready mouth doing battle with other personalities.

Let’s review just one issue to begin with.

The Tennis Center and the old Development Authority of Peachtree City: Brown was right to blow the whistle on both.

The only defense of the old DAPC now amounts to this: They were a bunch of good old boys just trying to do good for the community. And the good old boys gave us a “world-class” tennis center. Let’s examine those two arguments.

Those community leaders ran the old DAPC out of their back pockets. They kept precious few records, despite being required to by state law. Several of them served on the board of directors of either a lending bank or a bidding contractor.

Assuming the absolute best of motives, the board did a bush-league job of keeping financial records and meeting minutes, despite knowing they should do better. If they had performed the same way on their day jobs, they would have been justifiably terminated.

There is no recorded vote on more than a million dollars in loans to the DAPC. There’s no paperwork financial trail to determine where that money went.

How can any reasonable person praise this old board? Their motives alone just don’t cut it.

So far, every person who wants the old way to return simply glosses over the very real failings of this old DAPC.

Folks, such glossing over the plain facts represents either stupidity or plain willful blindness to painfully obvious failures. Please, get some clues as to how real life and real business and real government is supposed to operate.

I have printed letters and Free Speech items lamenting the overthrow of the old DAPC. I have to wonder how otherwise supposedly intelligent people can be so ignorant of the facts clearly in front of them.

The good old boys’ motives are irrelevant — I repeat, irrelevant — in light of their patently obvious ineptness in running a governmental entity responsible to state law and the taxpayers.

They may be and may have been great individuals personally who excelled in business and other private ventures. But only an extremely foolish person would defend their record-keeping and financial astuteness in overseeing a public entity. Peachtree City government is well rid of the old DAPC.

And by the way, who asked for a world-class tennis center? Six hundred elite tennis club members? I never got to vote on that expenditure, and neither did you. That was decided in good old boy fashion.

The city had several decent public tennis courts before that center was dreamed of. I used to smack a few racquets at Pebblepocket and Glenloch before my belly began hiding my feet. The city would do well to spend some money keeping those facilities up to minimum standards instead of providing a publicly-financed exclusive country club for the elite few and some traveling tournaments.

If you argue in favor of the old DAPC, at least address the conflicts of interest, the abysmal record-keeping and the lack of minutes of supposedly public votes on more than a million dollars in loans. Have the intellectual honesty to address the obvious problems.

Should PTC taxpayers pay off those loans to the DAPC?

Five of the six mayoral candidates raise the “moral” issue and say, “Yes, we should.”

First of all, explain what you mean by “moral.”

If we want to start doing the “moral” thing in government, I have a few places to start before we get to a tennis center.

In view of our tight financial situation, please address how you will pay for “moral” obligation.

Will you raise taxes? Will you float a “bricks and mortar” loan, obligating tax revenues for years into the future? Will you ask the city voters to approve a bond referendum to repay the loan, which will also raise taxes?

How will you meet this “moral” obligation?

Way back when, I wrote a column that said, Yes, the loan should be repaid. But I think it should be repaid by the new DAPC, using part of the hotel-motel tax receipts, since this was the funding mechanism envisioned at the time for pay-off of the debt.

Will it take a long time? Yes, probably. The banks, which should have sought better record-keeping and more due diligence at the time they made the loans, should take what they can get. Maybe their current boards of directors will be a little more careful about potential conflicts of interest in the future.

And maybe Peachtree City government, including its authorities, will get more real about the differences between necessities and luxuries. We can but hope ...


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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 10/26/2005 - 8:30pm.

Most of what you wrote is correct, but no one can change the past and the future brings with it a judgement by the court which will determine whether or not Peachtree City has to repay the DAPC's debt. Then the city will comply. End of story.


Submitted by Joe Swanson on Wed, 10/26/2005 - 9:30pm.

Cal Beverly should be commended for embracing the exchange of opinion. Good for you.

Has your opinion changed on the payment of the DAPC debt by the City?
Why would anyone even plead for payment based on a "moral" obligation if they had any legal leg to stand to on? This is confusing.

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Submitted by WatchDog on Wed, 10/26/2005 - 4:41pm.

None of the four viable candidates for Mayor (we're not sure if Arterburn is alive and I am only hoping and praying that Brown is not seen as viable) argues that the old DAPC was a well managed machine. Quite the contrary, from what I've heard and read, they all seem to acknowledge that it could have and should have been managed with a great deal more of detail and accountability. Still, what I think they mean by "moral" is that it's simply the right thing to do. How hard is that to understand Cal? Money was spent on the tennis center and amphitheatre for improvements with loans from the local bank. The city owns those places. We should pay the money back. Logsdon, Tennant, Boswell and Thompson agree on this, some to a larger extent than others. These guys have a conscience. Only your boy Brown wants to stick it to the bank because we don't have the legal obligation to pay. You call that fair? You call that right? You call that ethical? Give me a break.

As to where the money comes from, Tennant says we should get the place appraised, and sell it if we can to a private company, and use at least a portion of the proceeds to pay some part of the debt. No tax increase of any kind. I think he's on to something. I wouldn't doubt that the other three VC's (viable candidates) can come up with a plan as good or better. Might take some thinking out of the box---whatever.

Cal, we are all really tired of your constant bashing of the old DAPC. I think most people agree that they were all some hard working visionaries who gave a lot of their own time and energy to make PTC the special place it is today. Conspiracy theorists love to jump on your bandwagon, but it's just not the case. For once, I'd love to hear you say thanks to those that gave so much.


Submitted by LOVELIVININPTC on Wed, 10/26/2005 - 6:16pm.

The tennis center improvements including the new indoor courts that were constructed in a hurry (and badly) beginning in the fall of 2001 WERE PAID by the City. The invoices from that project went to the City's finance department and were paid from the finance department. The remaining debt is from the old DAPC going into the hole on a monthly basis in operating expenses. The million dollar amount is actually a compilation of loans taken out by the DAPC for operating. THAT is the money the mayoral candidates think we should pay. Banks have a responsibility to loan their money to solvent people and organizations. The bank failed to follow its own policies and procedures for lending money and if you ask me - too bad no one has! - the bank's insurance company should be on the hook for this colassal mistake. I didn't vote for a tennis center (Bob Lenox orignially included the tennis center improvements in the 2001 bond referendum but pulled it off when a recreation survey showed it was the second to last priority for the citizens) and I don't want to pay for one. I think THAT is the moral issue here.

Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 01/17/2008 - 11:33am.

More "old" stuff to consider! (Above).

I said the Pros took it with them in salary!
The Tennis Players paid too little to play!!!!!
Taxpayers will subsidize them!!!

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