Is actually smart. He recognizes that obamas plan to redistribute tax dollars is a disincentive to hard work.

I have stopped working overtime since I got hit with the "AMT" alternative minimum tax last year. If I can't keep my money, that I worked hard for, then I don't need to work as hard. It isn't worth it. My time is better spent working on a painting or walking my dogs. Paying for welfare, food stamps and free health care for illegals isn't worth my hard work. It is easier to stay at home.

I have stopped giving money to charities for people. I still give to the humane society, but the people are already getting too much of my tax dollar. I don't mind giving money of my own free will but I do mind having it confiscated for programs I don't believe are run very well at all.

the reality of Barak Obama's tax plan is that all those making OVER $250,000 a year would get a tax increase. All the talk about the redistribution of wealth may affect those in this nation who are best able to pay an increase in taxes (extimated to be about 5%), but the the vast majority of us working stiffs would actually realize a tax decrease. What John McCain and his ilk want is ever FURTHER disparity of wealth, a total annihilation of the middle class, and the continuation of economic and political control of the TRUE elite in this nation, the aristocracy of wealth. By using Bill Ayers and Rev.Wright, the Republicans are attempting to use the same Rovian tactics they used in 2004 with the issues of abortion and "gay marriage" to convince majority of voters in this nation ot actually vote AGAINST their own interests. Keep the faith

You think folks will just pay the extra tax, and not make cuts in their business? LOWER TAXES, LOWER SPENDING...that is the only way. I've yet to hear a legit candidate say that.

Lower SPENDING. The reason tax cuts have not worked is no one wants to cut the budget. But we have to. Neither candidate will say what they will cut (of any substance) because they would be a political DOA. That's why I like term limits. Do what's right and never worry about re-election. At any rate, if we are going to pay our bills as a nation, tax cuts across the board won't do it. Borrowing from Communist China hasn't done it. And running red ink won't save our economy. We are in a tough spot.

Maybe you would like to decide what to cut that would do any significant good?

The following are about 85% of the total budget:

Defense Department; Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid; Veterans (and we just created scores of thousands more needing much help);
Debt service; Roads, dams, bridges, Corp of Engineers and other infrastructure needs; Employees (government).

Have you got any jobs for them?

How about just not increasing the budget one year. Oh yeah, I forgot, in Federal Govt Terms, that is a CUT.

Steal a media moment.

Hope no one realizes that you don't have the training required for the job you seek.

Hope they don't notice you don't have the resources you purport to have.

Hope no one looks into your actual behavior to see that YOU DON'T EVEN PAY THE BUSH TAX RATE WHICH YOU OWE.

You guys are great Skyspy. And you somehow think that I feel my candidate is in trouble? I can't imagine what type of glasses you have on that give you the fiction vision you have.

G'Day

ps: Joe would get a tax cut with Obama's plan. Go figure....... He made 40K last year.

Joe the plumber is a fraud.

He works for a small plumbing company, but Joe is not a licensed plumber. Does not belong to the plumbers union.

He has a $1182 tax lien against him in Ohio for failure to pay his state income tax.

The chances for him to get financing to own a plumbing company are almost nil.

The average salary for a plumber in the U.S. is about $47,000.

Joe (actually his first name is Sam) is daydreaming about ever having $250,000 of taxable income.

He voted in the Ohio Republican primary.

Just another dumb stunt by the McCain campaign.

As for my sources, just check all the stories in the mainstream media.

The story is not Joe the plumber.

The dems are merely trying to spin the story to draw away attention to what barack said to Joe about his plans to "spread the wealth" through his Socialist, Communist, Marxist regime.

He wants to take money from people who actually work hard for a living and give it to those who choose not to.

"From each according to his ability, to those according to their need."

Communist, Socialist policies - this is what barack will hand America. He will destroy our country.

How on earth can you say that anyone who does not make $250,000 per year, or more, doesn't work hard?

You are talking about most of us---no, nearly all of us!

Now, the guy who does make $250,000 to say $500,000 per year, as a general rule after all deductions, pays about 15%-20% of that. Or, $37,000 to $100,000 taxes---unless like Oprah, you give several million to charity or invest in a tax free situation---then less.

Now $250,000 minus $37,000 = $213,000 net income (less some SS deducts)

The $500,000 guy, minus $100,000 taxes = $400,000 take home.

I would be willing to live on either: $213,000, or $400,000.

DO YOU REALLY THINK THESE GUYS WOULD TAKE THAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT THEY WOULD PAY AND WHAT THE LOWER INCOME GUYS WOULD PAY, AND MAKE JOBS FOR ME?

Sure they would!
One other question. Does the $500,000 guy give his church $50,000 every year? Or is it $40,000?
Must be a lot of rich churches around!

$250,000 a year. Does anyone know what it's like making that kind of money?
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People who have until now believed in our capitalist system by investing in stocks of our U.S. corporations (directly or through mutual funds, including 401k plans and IRAs) have observed how corporate CEOs of the most unsuccessful corporations (like Washington Mutual, Wachovia, Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Lehman Brothers, even Home Depot) have enriched themselves with salaries and bonuses like $30 million a year while "the little people" who had invested in their companies took (and are now still taking) a licking. Former Home Depot CEO Robert Nardelli walked away with more than $200 million.

If these people "worked hard for a living," I assure you they did no heavy lifting.

That kind of pay, especially for that kind of result, is clearly obscene. "Sharing the wealth" in that context means not permitting the rich to get richer without good reason while the poor get poorer.

It is a bit maddening to see "poor people" like you come to the defense of the rich (like Nardelli & company). Being "poor" is one thing, but insisting that it is OK for the fat pigs to get most of the food that comes off the trough at the expense of the average citizen shows weakness of reasoning. The rich love it!

the company policy of "Ben and Jerry's Ice Cream" {a mildly successfully company, won't we agree?} limits the income of the top executive to 10 times the income of the lowest paid full time employee. General Motors top executive receives an estimated 435 times the income of the lowest paid full time employee. Enough said about that. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport

Do as I say, not as I do.

Ben and Jerry are social elites. They pompously deride achievement and prey upon the classes. In thier infinite wisdom, they chose to establish a rule about the CEO and CFO making only 10 times the amount of the janitor in their factory. Hmmmm, doesn't that just "feel" right. There was no logic, only their "good intentions" that established this ratio.

They went the longest time trying to find a CEO that would take the job at that pay rate, which was about 250k at the time of the 60 minutes article I saw on it some years ago. Sure enough, their CEO left soon thereafter and they were back in the pickle again.

What you didn't mention about Ben and Jerry's is that they were the primary shareholders in the company and they created this "wealth distribution" method. Which meant, for you liberal types who believe Corporations are large buildings with nameless people working in them, is that Ben and Jerry's were making Millions upon Millions of dollars a year from the profits that their $10 an hour floor sweeper and the $250k per year CEO was making.

So while they decry capitalism and free enterprise, and mock huge CEO payoffs, they themselves were profiting handsomely from their shares in the company. Which, IMHO, is perfectly fine. They created a product that the Free Enterprise gave value to. Why shouldn't they make money from it?

Their hypocrisy also found a home in their packing of bio-degradable containers. That lasted only until Ben and Jerry's dividend checks started to go down. They are now using the standard bleached out containers. i.e. They sold out.

So, yes Yardman, I'll agree that Ben and Jerry's is a mildly successful company. But considering liberals propensity for picking on other profit styled companies like Wal-mart, and against companies that sell tobacco or fast food, they ignore Ben and Jerry's because they are liberals themselves. They overlook that they pander high fat, high sugar foods which are not necessary to our diet and can cause obesity, heart disease, etc.. (I'm a candidate for the lawsuit that I hope some liberal trial lawyer will file against them for the extra 50lbs that I carry around my waste. I prefer the DOUBLE Chocalate Fudge Brownie Ice Cream.)

Which means, that you liberals should close down their doors out of the socialistic compassion for the common good of all mankind.

Again, Ben and Jerry's demonstrates not only the hypocrisy of liberals, but of the asinine lengths that they will go through merely to "feel" like they are not the evil rich.

Symbolism over Substance. Liberalism/socialism's creed.
Oh, Ben and Jerry both contributed the maximum to the Messiah.

You people are so blinded by wealth envy, you are missing the entire point. The redistribution will not only come from the wealthy and corporations, it will come from everyone that pays taxes.

If you pay federal income taxes, then some of the money that you pay will go to the 45% of people that don't pay federal income taxes in the form of a "tax credit" (read, welfare check) under barack's plan.

The corporations being taxed at a higher rate won't decrease the salaries to it's top execs, and there's not a darn thing barack or his minions can do about it. These corporations will either start furloughing folks at the bottom or just raise prices.

Either way, it's the little guy that will get screwed under barack's plan. I can't believe you people are so blinded by the aura that barack has created for himself to see it.

Fred, I have explained this to you before, and you don't seem to get it.

Did you read my post about why the notorious bank robber Willie Sutton robbed banks?

A lot of our tax money goes toward children. Children don't pay taxes. They have no money. They need health care. They need to be educated. They are a large part of the 45% of people you say don't pay federal income tax.

The rest of the 45% are older people, like those you find in nursing homes. Some are in mental institutions, and many in penal institutions. They also have no money.

You can't squeeze blood out of a stone, Fred! The money has to come from somewhere. Tell me again, why did Willie Sutton rob banks? Go ahead, say it. Because that's where the money is. He was smarter than you, I regret to say.

Education is free in America if you want an education that is. You can't pay people to educate themselves if they don't want one. Now I will agree with you on healthcare but I do not want the government controlled healthcare Obama is putting together. As far as penal institutions I think they are treated just a little to well. Mapleleaf every single person who enjoys Americas way of life should pay something if not just alittle. But common most Americans are doing just fine I think!!

Nice Try Senator! www.neverfindout.org

How is it the media ignores those close to Obama but will pick apart anyone who gets close to showing who the real Obama is.

For you people on the fence this is the question that needs to be asked. Once he is elected no one will have a say in what happens if they want to challenge the chosen one.

I did a Google news search on Ayers and got over 195,000 hits. Ayers is no secret. There probably isn't a literate person in the country that hasn't heard of him. The problem with the Ayers story is that when Obama was on the same board as he was the board also had the president of Northwestern and the Univ of Chicago on it (both Republicans) among others. Also, it whole thing was funded by Annenburg, one of Reagan's and Nixon's biggest backers. The story only warms the hearts of pseudo conservatives who have no issues they can beat Obama with. Besides that, it's an old story already factored into the campaign. Keep hammering it if you want but it just isn't going to change a vote at this point.

You see, Bill Ayers has not injected himself into this presidential race. He's just teaching college kids at the school he works at. He has not tried to confront John McCain and state "You'll raise my taxes" when the reality is he would get a tax cut. On the other hand, good ole Joe attempted to embarrass Obama by mischaracterizing Obama's tax plan (standard republican M.O.) He placed himself, voluntarily, in the middle of presidential politics. He was weighed, measured, and found to be wanting. McCain, in his standard non-vetting manner, attempted to use good ole' Joe to score points. Didn't exactly work.

We need a president that can do his homework. If you're going to use a guy for a feel good, "I support the plumbers of the world" story, at least spend three minutes on the internets to get your facts straight.

As for Ayers, even John McCain says he doesn't care about him (even though he sure mentions him alot). So why should we?

Nice Try Senator!
Let Freedom Ring!
www.neverfindout.org

Joe in the Spotlight

That is the bad news. The good news was Joe got Chairman MaO-Bama to come clean about his redistribution of wealth policies. He slipped up and said "sharing the wealth" on tv. Whether people paid attention, we'll see.

Some of us already knew about his tax plans. I say plans because for a while they changed almost daily.

It is sort of refreshing that for at least the last 3 weeks he has used the same plan. He wants to punish and demotivate just the people who make $250,000 or more a year.

We need to obama proof our finances. Get as many write-offs as you can.

Don't punish me bro! I love the fact that he was trapped into admitting it on TV. Does Barry have an entitlement program for people who have been punished for working hard?

You see there is a large segment of the American population who have for years felt that they are owed something. That segment has always wanted a Socialistic Government. I'm not surprised by that. Mr and Mrs Obama ( who is a hater and a racist) are going to make sure that this segment gets that payday. The Obama family listened and agreed with everything that Rev Wright preached, and everyone should know that. They love the man and that is their right but the Rev Wright by his own admission is a hater of the Capitalistic System that this country was built on. This is a sad day in American history!! I also do not have any respect for a man who will be the next American President to put the word African IN FRONT of the word American when he is addressed. I know Davids Mom will not mind that because she is also a racist filled with anger and rage which spews from every razor sharp sarcatic word she uses. There are alot of the white population who will do anything to convince the black population that they are not racist even if they have to vote for the wrong candidate!! You see I don't care if the next president is black or a woman but I'm not happy about our next president being a street wise con-man!!

I don't think the point is Joe's background BUT OBAMA's Answer!!!!!

Quotes from Alexis de Tocqueville in 19th Century

"Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude."

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

2 words missing from barack's rhetoric: Freedom and Liberty.

He talks alot about "change" and "hope" and "fairness" and "spreading the wealth", but he misses completely on the 2 things that make the USA the best country in the world.

for your arguments? Just a tiny bit of reference material so I don't just end up believing things simply because you typed them. For instance.....

"Mr and Mrs Obama ( who is a hater and a racist)"

Could you tell us what makes them "[a] hater and [a] racist?"

"The Obama family listened and agreed with everything that Rev Wright preached, and everyone should know that."

Problem is, Winby, there is no evidence The Obamas (wonderful family I might add) were ever witness to Rev. Wright inflammatory speech. Barack even talked for a half an hour condemning Wright's words on national television. And The Obamas left that church. So how is it that you "know" The Obamas "agreed with everything that Rev Wright preached?"

I'm not asking for much, Winby1.

Cheers

Look diva I was stating that Mrs Obama is a hater and she is the one who said that she was NOT proud of being an American. Now bring up the EVIDENCE factor. If you bring the sum total of the relationship between The Rev Wright and the Obama family to the forfront I find it curious. Like 20 years as members of that Church, The Rev Wright married The Obama family, Mr Obama said that he loved The Rev Wright and I could go on and on but I think that is enough evidence for me to think that Mr Obama new The Rev Wright very well and knew and agreed with the Hate and Racist views that the man he and his wife loved and listened to for 20 years in a place normally made for worship, forgivness, and love for mankind. At least that is the word I'm hearing every week in my church!! I'm not sure I've ever heard anything about hatred for rich white men or black men for that matter. I would not attend any church if I heard the hatred that spewed from The Rev Wrights mouth for ONE MIN. He is a Hater and a Racist and so are his followers. You can overlook that if you choose thats your right but I am NOT!!!

By any chance were you at Sarah Palin's campaign stops last week, shouting "kill him!" and "traitor"?

You forgot "off with his head". SNL skit

Sniffles like I said everyone has a right to love anyone they want but if you admit you love people such as Rev. Wright who by his own words "HATES rich white Americans" and basicly "HATES America" then I don't feel good with you as our President!! Period!! If you want to take peoples money that they earned and give it to people who did't then that is WELFARE!! If you want a Socialist Government then I don't want you as President!! What more can I say!!

Ever notice how none of our Obama bloggers have anything to say about Obama's marxist ideas? They never defend him in THAT way. No. They come back with 5 year old retorts like...well, some guy at Sarah Pallins rally said blah blah blah - or - ...but he left that church blah blah blah. They NEVER say things like: No, Obama is not a marxist and this is why... They NEVER defend capitalism or democracy.

Absolutely, the redneck at the rally should never had said what he said and should have legal action taken against him. I certaintly do not advocate threatening remarks made by anyone to anyone. But, really, how does bringing up that incident or any of this he said/she said rheotoric figure into the argument that Obama is marxist?

Keep it up, winby, eventually one of them will break down under interrogation and yell: O.K., O.K. YES I AM A COMMUNIST!

By the way, I'd venture to guess that the wonderful Rev. Wright's income is MUCH larger than mine. I suppose capitalism has served him well.

From one proletarian to another....good night.

P.S. We need to go ahead and tell our children not to worry about going to college. They'll end up working in a government owned factory by the time they're grown. They will also be living in a government owned house (and no, I'm not happy about McCain wanting the gov. to buy home mortgages either.).

I guess America is going to become a follower of France and other Euro Socialistic countries Dawn69!! What a shame!! A very sad day in American history!! It kills me when you here Americans talk about LACK of opportuntity and how the UNFORTUNATE are so mistreated here in America. How the Rich White Americans are neglecting the poor middle class in their $400-$750 thousand dollar homes!! The poor American middle class just is getting by on their little $40-$75 thousand dollars annually. It is just tragic that these people don't have more!! It's also tragic that there is a lower income level of high school drop outs and people that are just simply to lazy to work. If you want a job in America just go out and get one!! If you have no ambition that is your choice. But if you want the opportunity to be wealthy in America it is available to EVERYONE!! This country will even help you own a business if you want one. Your plight in America is your choice!! But Dawn69 like I've said there is a large segment of people in this country who have for years felt like they are owed something and Obama is going to make sure that they get their payday!! It's called WELFARE!!!

Dawn, you are attempting to put the burden of proof on Obama supporters to somehow disprove your pet theory that "Obama is a Marxist".

Tell you what, give me an example of Obama's purported "Marxist" plans and we'll go from there, m'kay?

You and winby seem to enjoy throwing around terms like "socialist!" "communist!" and "Marxist!" indiscriminately to demonize political opponents that you disagree with.

are the ones that have the acorns they call "Marxist", "Socialist", and "Communist" bouncing off of their little heads.

"I can't wait until tomorrow, because I get more lovable every day."

We don't always get what we want....

Sorry......

Nope, you are right about that diva!! I am not a Socialist and don't want a Socialist Government and we are getting one!! I do not want money that someone else has earned given to me, but I'm sure you will have your hand out!! I do not except welfare I can make my own money just fine!! I do not want a President who turns on the people he says he loves so to serve his own special intrest (that means he will turn on you and me)!! Look diva, you can overlook Obamas past if you want to that is your right, but he scares me to death with his political views as well as his past realtionships with Racist and Haters as well as his Spread The Wealth progarm. Diva there is a large segment of our population who feels that they are owed something and Obama is going to make sure that they and you get your payday!! ENOJY the WELFARE!!! But Me?? I'm cutting my payroll and laying off workers and will make my money and keep it. I'm not going to earn it so I can give it away to people who have the same right as I do to earn it!!

Are you referring to the campaign events Barry mentioned in the debate? The ones where someone was yelling "kill him"? The ones they investigated and found only one person who "heard" it? That one person who was the "reporter" who broke the story? That "reporter" who couldn't identify who said it, he just "heard it"? Those events where not one Secret Service agent heard anything remotely like that? That event where 20 attendees not affiliated with the campaign or security were interviewed and never heard anything like that? Or are you just taking liberties with the truth again????

I remember someone saying you can lead otherside to the facts, but you can't make him think. If you can make it through the first 12 seconds of this video, you can hear "terrorist" and "kill him" yourself. Then we can get down to addressing the situation. But we must acknowledge it first. Yes?

"Kill him" "terrorist"

I listened to the link you provided 4 times, each time carefully, but never heard the words "kill him". I did hear the crowd shout terrorist, but never heard kill him. Do you believe in 'white noise'? Oh, and I'm going to go ahead and beat you to the punch line, it's not what comes out of McCain's mouth. Now, back to the real conversation, do you look forward to being communist? Or are you already one?

Um, no one else heard those inflammatory words either. They make it up as they go for the sympathy vote.

As you can see from "divas" response he is a waste of your time. His mind is like a steel trap always closed. Don't try to reason with the mayor of "divaville" he already has all of the answers. He is paranoid enough that he probably does hear them say "kill him". In "divaville' the black man is always the victim through no fault of his own.

Have a good weekend Dawn.

1. Inflammatory words.
So, you did not hear "kill him." Dawn ONLY heard "terrorist." Now, for some woman who describes Middle Eastern people as "rag heads," I'm sure calling a presidential candidate a "terrorist" isn't nearly as inflammatory as what she calls him in the privacy of her lair, but to many a person, "Arab," "Terrorist," "Marxist," and "Communist" are plenty inflammatory. For people sensitive to name calling, you and your bros and sisses sure do fling a lot of names about. And you guys and GIRLS never addressed the actual inflammatory speech the whole world has heard. Go figure.

2. Closed minds? BLT, Ayers, Wright...... Oh, and "He'll raise your taxes." Pretty much some up your depth of thought honey?

3. Paranoia? LOL See bullet number two above. Oh, and move South before the black crime wave consumes your home and threatens your very existence.

4. Now, for the "Black man is always the victim" thingy. I don't think so. As a matter of fact, in my long conversation with mean old, my brief snippet with dawn of the dead, and my banter with a few others (shout outs to Winby1), race didn't even enter in.... until you came along. And I'm still waiting for your comments on the sex offender story. Anyway, I believe there exist single white women who are bitter about their lack of deductions and, in their alone time, sometimes dwell on very negative ideas. They think crime and bad kids and welfare recipients are eclipsing the bright light of this country. Others see those issues more like clouds that occasionally obscure our view of the sun, but certainly don't permanently overshadow it.

It is my hope that those bitter single white women might one day venture outside of their familiar thought processes and realize that if they continually gripe about crime yet want nothing but tax cut, cut, cuts, they'll have to find a volunteer police force to serve their needs.

5. I don't mind Bonkers comparisons at all. There is FAR WORSE COMPANY to keep on these boards. As you count my posts, I'm sure it escapes you that I actually had a long internety conversation with meanoldconservative. Some people face their arguments and can actually carry a tune and a thought. Now, I'm not saying you are one of those women..... or men, but they do exist.

Hope this clears things up for you, Skyspy. And, so you know, you can expect similar responses for anyone who pulls the "so you're a communist" routine.

Paper or plastic?

Good advertisment for your little Sat coffee thing. When should we all be there? I'm dying to meet you.

I have only gone to one of those things. I met Hack and Sniffles. Great guys. It's a shame Hack isn't posting here anymore.....remember?

Have good weekend.

Thank you. Oh, and, Diva is a 'he'? What self respecting man calls himself diva? You are right, though, I don't need to respond to him.
I've read his blogs before and they are usually one-liner insults. It is very sad that nothing intelligent can come from him; rather, he has to resort to offending others to inflate his own misconcieved ego. See, I actually never noticed that diva never responds to my posts. Apparently he has boycotted me without my even realizing it! But then, how could he know that I, too, graduated MCL. It seems to be a tactic used by these left wing, penis tucking, liberal nuts - insult what you disagree with rather than debate on an intellectual plane. I've tried to remain respectfull with my posts, but find it increasingly hard to tolerate the likes of queenie - I mean, diva.

I'll respond to sniffles later, but for now this proletarian has to get ready for work (you know, those of us who work hard for what we have without holding our hand out to Papa government).

You have a good weekend, too, skyspy.

"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it" - Ashleigh Brilliant

"It seems to be a tactic used by these left wing, penis tucking, liberal nuts - insult what you disagree with rather than debate on an intellectual plane. I've tried to remain respectfull with my posts, but find it increasingly hard to tolerate..."

The spokesperson for the new face of the intellectual wing of the tolerant R. Party!

You stay classy, Dawn.

so I took no offense.

"I can't wait until tomorrow, because I get more lovable every day."

"do you look forward to being communist? Or are you already one?"

I feel I at least owe you a retort. If you are going to say someone only offers "one-liner insults," you might not call them a communist to retain credibility. Just an idea. And, Skyspy can be a quite venomous and racially conscious little blond girl (figuratively speaking) who may take liberties in describing people she... or he has let enter her... or his home. Forgive her..... or him... not sure why she he it would think Diva was a black man.....

But there is a reason I never talk to you. You are not too bright. And , I'm sorry, but there just aren't enough hours in the day to hang around in intellectual gutters.

No. I'm not a communist. No. You're not a scholar. And I'm sure that's fine for both of us.

In the words of Tony F: Your...You're..... You are all idiots.

You might want to read some of what you wrote yesterday. You filled up this blog board more than bonker$.el.al. He actually has 3 or 4 other people inside of his head helping him, what's your excuse?

You are at the bottom of the gutter trying to suck everyone down to your level.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean everyone isn't out to get you.

I made it through almost the entire video. A distasteful experience since it was from MSNBC. I heard what you're saying. Was it real? All I know is they investigated the Palin rally and nobody heard it but the "reporter".

By the way, you remembering so many things I wrote verbatim is getting a tad scary. Tell me you pay so much attention to everyone...please???

I would avoid attempting to link real names with anonymous posters though. That is EXPRESSLY AGAINST THE RULES HERE.
From FAQ:

"No "outing" or otherwise identifying or threatening to identify our registered users or their family members. Violate these simple, civilized rules, and we will remove your posts and ban you from any further posting."

Wouldn't want you banned for the first time. And thanks for making it through the video. Now, to the point. If only "one person" heard the comments, how is it that they are immortalized here on tape? How is it that Sarah Palin saying Barack Obama "pals around with terrorists" is not provocative and dangerous speech? I loved McCain's reaction when confronted by David Letterman on these words. "Look. Lots of things are said on the campaign trail." He said that when David asked him what evidence he had of Ayers being a "terrorist" when Barack associated with him. David also asked who the other terrorists were since Palin and McCain like to say "terrorists." No answer meanold. Go figure.

Personally, I've been saying these silly attacks wouldn't work for months now. The republicans who wish to make this their center piece have every right to focus on this very important issue though.

As for your concern, I do pay attention and listen to almost every post and poster on the boards. I look for underlying meanings and subtexts as well. I remember one of my conservative friends here saying "writing styles are like fingerprints." I believe they are exactly right.

ps: Starbucks, HWY 54, 25 October, 0900ish.

Cheers

I hope the honorable mayor and his wife are doing well.
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Wonder how that works if your posts contain your real name at the bottom?? Seems kinda connected on its own. No need for fingerprints and writing styles then....

I thought WE were having a conversation. Now I'm getting confused. You remind me of a friend I didn't use to have; eerily identical.....

That was clearly addressed to Hack. Why in the world do you keep responding for him???

Mean old and Diva are at a quaint table set for two having a discussion about Rachel Maddow, Sarah Palin, and rubber tree plants. Diva says, "Gee meanold, you remind me of an anonymous blogger named othersidetrax. You guys write just alike. You both use the offensive term "circle jerk" and have a similar style of addressing facts at oblique angles."

Then, out of the blue, mean old says, "What's up Kevin? How's it hanging?" Diva looks behind them, under the table, and then wonders if meanold has one of those Star Trek earpieces in and Diva just missed the irony of this all.

I'm just saying..... I'm trying to track the trajectory of the conversation we aren't having.

That proves my point. Go back and look through every post meanoldconservatives ever made here. Or, get Cal to do it. Then produce just one from me with the term "circle jerk" in it. You can't do it.

You have me confused with some previous blogger here and are too arrogant to admit it.

Find me saying it just once.....

My memory is failing me. I said "circle jerk" when I meant......

"Typical liberal douche bag"

My apologies for mixing up your offensive terms.

Now I am confused. You said the "other side of the trax" guy used the term "circle jerk". You said I also used that term. Now you say you were wrong about me using that term, that I used the term "typical liberal douche bag" instead. Now, are you saying the "other side of the trax" guy used the term "circle jerk" or not? Or are you saying he used the term "typical liberal douche bag" which would make him....me? Which is it?

Either way, your conspiracy theory is dead wrong. I'm not that guy. I'm not the guy who got anybody in trouble with a boss. I've never posted under another name besides the exception I mentioned. Believe or not, your choice....

Diva is just another liberal who thinks something is owed to her and she is very excited about the Obama Hand Out Policy (Welfare)!! Hey she is not alone. This country is going Socialist!! What a sad day for America!!

I, too, have been deeply concerned by the direction in which I see my beloved country turning. This is why I have opposed Obama for his obviously marxist ideology and usage of the term 'New World Order' during his speech in Germany. I equated the use of that term with Hitler's usage of the same and found that to be terrifying. I've even been blasted on this site before as 'dawn...that capitalist' as if that were a derogatory label.

I've been doing some research lately, I do love to research. What I have found is even more disconcerting. The term New Word Order, which is a socialist term, has been used often throughout the past century and by leaders that would surprise you.

Woodrow Wilson, President during World War I, was hailed at the time of the Treaty of Versailles, which introduced the League of Nations Covenant, as the apostle of a New World Order.

Franklin D. Roosevelt, another Harvard grad, was also labeled a socialist with his 'New Deal', which was said to call for a New World Order, and the introduction of Social Security.

Gerald Ford's 'Declaration of Interdependence' speech on October 24, 1975 states that: "We must join with the others to bring forth a new world order ... narrow notions of national sovereignty must not be permitted to curtail that obligation.". (sorry sniffles, my source here is wikipedia - but am looking for a more credible source)

There are others; however, I don't yet have the research organized enough to post here. More will come when my search has been more thorough.

Not to worry, I am not going to spiral into an abyss of Illuminati Conspiracy Theory - I just feel that it is important to investigate such terms as New World Order if that is the ammunition being used against a candidate (ammunition that I have used).

So, we're left to ponder....is America moving towards socialism? Or have we already been set on that path without realizing it? As an American that is capitalist and still believes in free enterprise as the basis of the 'American Dream' and still values private property, an ideal non-existent in marxism, I can not advocate marxism on any level.

Communism, in the way that Saint Thomas Moore wrote of in Utopia, is a lovely ideal - all mankind working together for a common good. The problem is that it doesn't work. A friend reminded me, just last night, that absolute power corrupts absolutely. This is why our country is full of refugees from communist nations from which they fled to come to the land of opportunity and the land of the free - that would be free speech, free will, AND free enterprise.

I will not vote for Obama; however, if Obama is elected, and I think he will be, I will call him my President and I will wish for him to do a great job for the sake of my country.

I ever heard the term "new world order" used was by George H. W. Bush. Funny how some want to now equate that term so negatively.

Obama most certainly did NOT use the phrase "New World Order" in Germany or anywhere else

HERE is a transcript of his entire speech, together with a video.

You will not find a single reference to "New World Order" in it.

Obviously both Huff and MSNBC are in the conspiracy to cover up Obama's phrase and they as well as the rest of the MSM have edited and deleted the words.

I bet he uses it in the WorldNetDaily version of the transcript.

Do you actually have something intelligent to say or are you ONLY a smartass?

Politics is full of provocative and dangerous speech. I mean, look at John Lewis comparing McCain to George Wallace....and then backing down. Look at Murtha saying his constituents are racist.....and then backing down. It happens.

Don't worry about writing styles and fingerprints here Hack. It's way easier than that. Ask Cal. Never posted before, never banned.

Then YOU may want to email cal and have him send you a direct link to the rules of this site, Mean old. No what I mean? See ya next week.

Nuances are tough, aren't they mean old? You bring up Lewis and Murtha. I bring up what Sarah Palin and John McCain have said themselves. That's the interesting thing about ideas. They mean more when you are the one that actually says them. It's hard for many Americans to condemn person A for the words of person B. Not that many a conservative hasn't tried and tried and tried again to drag that rubber tree plant. But whoever said an ant can't? Keep trying. It may take effect November 3d.

Yup, those very campaign events. Didja hear the Secret Service, in its infinite wisdom, assigned one agent to investimagate those remarks?

...and they assigned four agents to make sure that reporters at Sarah Palin events were kept from interviewing her supporters outside the press area?

Interesting priorities there!

When did the Secret Service become the enforcement arm of the Republican party?

Let Freedom Ring!
Nice Try Senator!
www.neverfindout.org

How many agents were needed to "investimagate" it??? Maybe if they had sent every agent in the world they could have found something? They found a "reporter" writing bs. Send all you want to check. The facts will remain.

I'll take your story about the "enforcement" like I do all your others. When I find it on a reputable source, I'll believe it. Your past precedes you....

You just said "Your past precedes you" to someone LOL

At any rate, since you couldn't find nothin', I found it for you (didn't take long) and brought it to you. Now, being that you like to pivot away from facts, you will say, "Oh! This is Rachel Maddow." But does videotape lie? Now, if you are suggesting MSNBC has faked this tape, I'm sure the demand for a retraction by the Palin/McCain campaign is forthcoming.

Did you check with Cal on your conspiracy theory??? That I used to post under some other name here and got banned??? Did he confirm you're full of it?? Oh, you didn't check with him???