David's Mom, a sensitive training expert, if I recall from her past posts, specifically cited this person's opinions as a basis for not voting for Palin.

Please read the title and first sentence of my post Mr. Hobbs. This was a post from a Hillary supporter that I shared. I made no comment regarding it whatsoever. It was shared verbatim. It was not my opinion. I was not a Hillary supporter. I can't believe that you may have had law school experience, let alone passed a bar! But then again, we're all here just having fun - and entertaining one another. The N word is offensive to me - I'm not a young person or an admirer of rappers. No matter how you spell it or pronounce it - you would be in serious trouble if you used the N word in front of anyone in my family. I learned from these posts that there are those who find the word 'red-neck' offensive - and some do not. You know my feelings. I did not use the term 'red-neck'.

You seem like a very nice lady. I read your posts and like so many others that blog on this site, I believe you are sincere in your beliefs. That's why I believe that when you "chose" to copy and paste this comment, with the included Red Neck comment, you likely didn't interpret it as a slur. But you adopted it, by making the post public to this blog.

You weren't forced to put that on this blog, and you certainly could have edited it. But instead you "chose" to share with us some ignorant comment made by someone, somewhere to prove a point. You know what that point was, so please don't be naive. And yes, for the 3294th time, I am an attorney, why its constantly brought up is beyond me, but to suggest that my argument is invalid, is "ostendo quam valde ignarus vos es". (A little legal latin lingo for you, since you and other bloggers keep reminding everyone that I'm a lawyer.)

But again, I'm not offended by the Red Neck comment. However, as you liberals keep reminding everyone about being tolerant of others, of respecting the sence and sensibilities of every ignorant person that says they are offended by some word, or action. It's you liberals that think you are so perfect and pristine. That evil Republicans are the ones that need to change, that you liberals have the compassion, the understanding, and the tolerance to never offend anyone.

That was and continues to be my point. Liberals are more racists by far, than any Conservatives I know. Liberals are more sexists by far, than any Conservatives I know.

My point was to show you how very blind you are to your own biases and prejudices. You wear your feelings literally on your thin black skin. You talk about sensitivity training for whites, about our racism. And yet, you are the one that posted that ignorant trash on this blog to try to slur Sarah Palin. You made that choice.

As regarding your politically correct spelling of a slur, i.e. "N". For God's sake, the "N" word, is so sacrosanct, that not only will you not spell out the letters, almost like the Jews refused to write or say the name of their God, you even seem to proudly suggest that your own family members are rightfully justified, if they were to only here this horrific word, to use violence. And you wonder why violence is so prevalent in the black community. I have a plaque on my wall quoting E. Burke. For Evil to Exist in this World, all that is necessary is for good men and women to do nothing. Proudly telling us of your family's violent tendancies sounds like you almost condone such behavior, otherwise, I would have assumed you would never have mentioned it out of shame. Is that true?

Again, I sincerely doubt you intended any racial slur, but you stepped in it, you walked in it, and now if you're really geniune, you'll admit it. Or you can walk around and just pretend you don't smell it. But trust me, we all smell it.

And you think its the Republicans that are the racists. I'd take a look in the mirror if you want to see one.

This comes across very harsh perhaps. You're a kindly woman I bet, but you're views do not accurately reflect the America I know and believe in. And I know a liberal, junior senator, with no experience, who ran an extremely sexist campaign against Hillary, is only going to bring more racial strife and not heal it. And that's something everyone on the left keeps reminding me with their columns about a racial war should McCain win.

Just like your quiet condoning of your families proclivity to use violence against the holy word of "N", liberals condone it across our country, by being too damn racist themselves to say anything about it.

I'm sorry, but thats the kind of change I don't want to see.

You weren't forced to put that on this blog, and you certainly could have edited it. But instead you "chose" to share with us some ignorant comment made by someone, somewhere to prove a point. You know what that point was, so please don't be naive.

I'm so glad you had the wisdom and integrity to edit your contribution by deleting the 'Niggah' from your post. Thank you. Oh - you didn't delete it. Sorry.

And you think its the Republicans that are the racists. I'd take a look in the mirror if you want to see one.

My mother is a Republican. . . and yes - although we all would prefer not to be called 'racist' - we have been influenced by 'racist' practices. How we react to others determine our 'racism'. You have demonstrated an obsession with denigrating 'blacks'. But that's just my opinion . . .as seen from my perspective. I'm so pleased that you are not offended by the term 'red-neck', others may be who are reading this. . .and I know for sure - others are offended by the N word. I respect the written word of others - and as you - do not feel that I should 'edit' their work. I shared the work of a Hillary supporter - and you shared the work of a 'rapper'. Does your logic really tell you that because we have not edited their work - we are racist?

Just like your quiet condoning of your families proclivity to use violence against the holy word of "N", liberals condone it across our country, by being too damn racist themselves to say anything about it.

Another example of 'lawyers' logic? Have a nice day. By the way - I don't post - and then hide. I post and then read what others have to say on many topics. I'm just too 'damn' racist not to say anything about ignorance. Many of my relatives are 'officers of the court' - and cringe when you publicly state your personal feelings -which could have great influence on how you represent your clients. (Maybe you're fair enough never to represent 'blacks'. Very possibly you never handle any business or personal affairs of 'blacks'. I hope this is true.

Exactly what have I ever said publicly, that an officer of the court might 'cringe' at? Mind you, if they are as thin skinned as you are, then I can understand why they would cringe.

As to me representing "blacks", well I don't represent blacks. I represent people, many of them have light reflecting qualities like yours, and many like mine. I care not what their color is. Why should I care that their parents might be a different race than I?

Again, this is where you just can't seem to understand the other side of racism. Racism against a person because of their skin color is wrong. No question about that. But because someone says I am a racist, based upon my personal beliefs in treating people as individuals and not as members of a group, doesn't make me a racist. I wish Barack were white, because then the criticism of his inexperience would be openly discussed. His known associates, i.e. terrorists, Marxist, and Black Liberation Theology racism, would be openly examined. But instead, he is getting a pass by the liberal media, not because he deserves it, but because he is black. You know it, I know it, and every reader of this blog knows it.

I've never said that there are not racists out there. What I've said, is that more of them are welcomed in the Democrat party, cloaked in Affirmative Action, and protected by real public scrutiny out of the fear of retaliation, and much of it violent. Farrakhan is a racist, as is Jeremiah Wright, but I hear no chorus from the black community, or the Democratic party that ever calls them for what they are. Why? because they are liberals, and liberals are given a pass on racism and sexism.

How you can condon violence in your family, as an appropriate response to someone saying nigger, or nigga, or niggaz, is beyond me. These are only words. They have no meaning outside of what they are intended to produce. You give them meaning. You give these words a mystical and wonderous significance. You draw a line in the sand in which certain subjects are off limits and openly condone violence over the mere mention of this word. Sure, its considered insulting, so is calling some one a red neck. (Mind you, redneck and niggar are often used as a term of fun and endearment, but they still can cause a great deal of offence.) The point is, that if you want to really help bring us together, then stand up against blacks who seem to think violence is okay, especially when this word is used. Tell them to grow up and not to continue drawing these ultimatums. Tell them to quit believing in a boogey man that is trying to hurt them at every turn. If you were to do this, then the word would lose ALL of its significance, and it would fade away.

But until you do, I will use that word as an example of the hypicritical and racist tendencies of how Democrats talk the talk, but don't walk the walk.

As to families, the word Niggar, never crossed my mother or father's lips. They grew up rednecks, farmers in the hills of Southwest Virginia. I was taught about the horrible ways blacks were treated historically in our country. My mother scared me once, when she cheered the news that George Wallace was shot. I couldn't believe my ears, that she would ever loathe another human being so much. She told me about what an awful racist he was and that he deserved what he got. Those opinions impressed upon me the sanctity of life, but not of race. My redneck parents taught me that there are good and bad people out there of both races, and that I should associate with the good people, period.

I recall my son, about 8 years old, listening to Ron Gant on the radio. He was a Brave, and was heard to say niggar. I still remember my son, getting that look on his face, wondering what that meant. (We are big Braves fans, and that might have been the year Gant went 30/30.) My son looks at me, and says, "Nigger, nigger? hmmm, daddy whats a nigger?" The innocence of that moment impressed upon me how very stupid the word has been elevated to. Out of the mouth of a small innocent child, I saw the truth. I was proud that he never, ever heard me use that slur in my life, but I also learned a lesson about the foolishness of being thin skinned over words. (Gees, do you know how many times, I've been slammed on this blog. Every other blog calls me a shyster lawyer. Mind you, I try to give back as much as I am given, but again, these are only words. I don't react to words that are brought forth from ignorance, and neither should you and your family.) I take offense when words are used specifically to hurt me, i.e. Hack used to call me "Dick". That was not a term of endearment, although many men have that name. I was offended not at the word, but at the intent of what it was trying to say. Hack was getting a bit hot under the collar and ripped me once too often. He immediately did back down and apologize, but it wasn't for saying "Dick", it was for specifically trying to offend me.

So, you make all the assumptions about my racism that you want. I am not concerned how people who themselves are reverse racists see me. I don't have the time to explain this to people who refuse to acknowledge that its only a word. Thats it. I don't use it out of respect for others, not that I agree with them. My vocabulary does include several four letter words, I must embarrassingly admit, but I rarely use those words, out of respect for my company, although I've on occasion, shown my juvenile behavior by saying those words in polite company. But again, these are just words. You, however, and liberals in general, love the word. It forces you to think in terms of victimization. If you are offended at a word, then you are a victim, and can react with immunity. It makes you identify with a "group" instead of making you think like an individual. Because if you thought of yourself as an individual, the correct response would be to remember the old addage, "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." Thats a truth from kindergarten, that if used today against the use of the word, would find it slowly melting away. But instead, it sets you and other blacks apart from non-blacks. It makes and gives you an identity with other blacks, which is and of itself is not necessarily bad, but what it does, is to make you think that its a magical and solemn term that reminds you and gives you a connection with the past vestigages of slavery and Jim Crow. Well, I'll tell you again, what I tell my children when they complain about life. "Get over it!" And when you do, you might find that there aren't racicst hiding behind every door, or under every rock. You'll find that whites will start treating you as a very nice and learned woman, but not as a black person, who is quick to cry wolf about how you've been offended over a stupid word.

In the immortal words of the great philospher of old, "Can't we all just get along?"*

Oh, and as to my many clients who have different light reflecting qualities, you'd be amazed at how many of them have had this conversation with me and wholeheartedly agree with me. They just want to be treated for who and what they are, not for the happenstance of their birth. If you had the time, to really know how hard I've worked for my clients, even those who are not pallor, you might find that your opinion was way off base. Give me a call sometime, and if interested, I'll give you example after example of how I proudly fought for them and their rights. But then again, lets not let the facts get in the way of merely calling someone a racist, and then walking away.

It's amazing that a successful attorney who serves all of the people of Fayette County regardless of their color or political orientation has time to engage in this form of entertainment. I’m retired - and no one pays me by the hour.

I don't have the time to explain this to people who refuse to acknowledge that its only a word. Please stop trying.. .it is a waste of your time and mine.

the past vestigages of slavery and Jim Crow. Well, I'll tell you again, what I tell my children when they complain about life. "Get over it!"

No comment.

Just curious here, in the sensitivity training you talk about, do people of color attend or is just us white people that are insensitive?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Every class that I conducted included persons representative of our country: black, white, Asian, Hispanic, etc. Were your classes for 'whites' only?

Sorry, us grandsons of sheet wearing cross burning racist Scotsmen are given a bye on the training.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

aw man, tea everywhere! Now while you make me giggle - be nice to folks, don't you have sensitive side!!

That side is still in training.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I went to sensitivity training a couple of years ago. During one of the breaks one of the guys was teasing one of the instructors and told her she had a cute ***. Turns out she was not only sensitive but had no sense of humor at all.

LOL

But did she have a cute ***? As long as it was attributed to another person it seems to be OK to say it or post it.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

"I don't post and then hide"

Sure you do...thats why I had to ask you twice why you refered to me as a "boy".

Notice I didn't tell you to say that around my family and see what happens. Keep the sensitivity coming.....

I did reply. Look it up.

Oh I'm sorry, I meant Davids mom, is it ok to post anything as long as you deny writing it? Would it be alright to post the KKK mantra just as long as I say I didn't write it? There's an awful lot I don't agree with Hobbs ( no e) about but in this instance I think he's got you, it's either wrong for everyone, or no one. Which is it with you?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

This is the same sorry junk that Denise used to do, you post this stuff, then fall back on the argument that's it's not your opinion, I made no comment, by this logic, it's ok to recite anything offensive as long as you didn't write it yourself. But hey that's ok. in a previous statement that you made a year or so ago, you said just because I'm white and live in the south that there was a good chance that my grandfather was burning crosses and then couldn't believe I thought it was offensive. In the long run, it's all just semantics.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I mean really, is that it? It's hilarious what folks will circulate on the internet for "their" cause.

FWIW, I quit reading at "she's a redneck".

I see that this email has been submitted to Snopes for assessment.

More interesting, I think, is Campbell Brown's interview with McCain aide, Tucker Bounds. She mops the floor with this guy, and is cute while doing it. (No, my wife isn't worried; Campbell is way too tall for me.)

Bounds ducks and dodges and spins so badly here that I wouldn't be surprised to learn that, after the interview, Campbell's colleagues stood on chairs so that they could high-five her.

What Bounds should have said is, "Whether or not Governor Palin has, in fact, made significant decisions in her capacity as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard, the fact is, she is already entrusted with that capacity as Governor of the State of Alaska."

He might then have been in a position to turn the tables so that the force of Campbell's question would be seen as a challenge to the will of the people of Alaska in electing Palin.

My jury is still out on all of this. Would Palin be prepared to assume the duties of President in the event that McCain coughed up a hairball or something?.....

On the other hand, as Chesterton once said, "It is just as easy to think in continents as it is in cobble-stones." If one has acquired a certain capacity for critical thought and strategic deliberation, it is possible to move to different contexts with those skills.

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Jeeves to the Rescue

I saw the Campbell thing. McCain canceled an interview with Larry King because of it! She pushed too far with an obvious tenderfoot, and he was inexperienced. You don't ask obvious questions for which there is no answer, but once.

As to allowing that she is a Harry Truman or a Lyndon Johnson and may do OK in needed circumstances, the only good thing that I can say about that is that nothing concerning getting us out of the current mess would occur due to her! No budget deficit plans, no war plams, no foreclosure plans, no world reputation plans, no job plans, and no economy plans!
Chesterton was an optimist.

Brown is a fool for Obama and Tucker Bounds is just a fool.

SNL sent up a pretty right on satire of Brown's fawning over Obama. Brown's fondness for Obama is now part of the zeitgeist. She loves him more than Candice Bergan loved Black Panther Party parties.

That Tucker Bounds did not refute her attack by making mention of the well-known SNL parody on her Obama love is unforgivable. McCain needs a different person in that role.

As for Campbell Brown, I see a night a "Mandingo Club" in her near future. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

"...as Chesterton once said, "It is just as easy to think in continents as it is in cobble-stones." If one has acquired a certain capacity for critical thought and strategic deliberation, it is possible to move to different contexts with those skills."

I agree, muddle.

I believe this can, and should, apply to Obama as well, given his sound judgment when voting against the Iraq war as well as his current view on a timetable to remove our troops from Iraq, a position that even Bush agrees with.

I think there are limits on my reasoning of the last post. A compelling case has been made against the common application of the MBA in business. A generic "manager" might not always understand the fundamentals of a given business in the way that a person in the field does.

But there is a lot involved in public office at these high levels. It is unreasonable to expect any one candidate to have a solid grasp of every important issue. What is needed is someone with good instincts in surrounding himself/herself with advisors are are experts in their respective fields, and the practical wisdom that is called for in making executive decisions based upon the information that is delivered.

("Practical Wisdom," in the Aristotelian sense, brings two important character traits together: Virtue, which is a matter of "being pleased by the right things" or, aiming, generally, and good and noble ends or goals, and Excellence in Deliberation, which is a matter of knowing how to find the most rational and effective means to those ends. Debate over presidential candidates might be brought to a higher level if all parties consciously and honestly assessed candidates in terms of the degrfee to which they approximate this Aristotelian ideal.)

You rarely opine away on these political matters and now you are attempting to apply some principles of virtue to a subject which to many of us, is more of a religion. Sincere and very honest people often come to completely opposite positions. Would you not agree?

Jeff and I argue incessantly, but I have to believe, or at least I choose to believe, that he is not delusional, and that he really and sincerely believes the tripe about Barack really being the best the Democrats have to offer. Barack would never be offered a job by a single Fortune 500 company, at least not in upper management, and yet he wants to run this country. Mind you, as you've mentioned, not all experiences translate to skills that a President may need. Certainly, every job, including the POTUS, has some on the job training, so I agree with what you have to say about the absolute necessity of PRACTICAL WISDOM.

However, Politicians can never be fully trusted. We have to look at their past, to see which direction they have taken over the years, when no one was watching. How else can you determine if they have any wisdom, unless of course, you MERELY listen to their Words. Which is coincidentally one of Barack's best Speeches. He talks about "Only Words" as having this wonderful meaning, without the action behind those words.

So for me, its a slam dunk as to the Practical Wisdom of which you speak. Barack's experiences and history reflect very little wisdom, and in fact, raises real concerns over who he really is. He has all of these mentors and associates that he writes about fondly in his books, and then when we focus on that relationship, he tucks his tale, and rebukes his friends. That is not a sign of virtue.

John McCain is a different sort. From the time he spent in a prison cell, to the times he has stood up to the Republicans, and even pushed for the Surge in Iraq, when absolutely all of the polls were leaning heavily against him, he has shown great character. He said about his unpopular push for the surge, "I'd rather lose an election than to lose this war." To me, that reeks of character, of wisdom, and of virtue.

As Joe Lieberman said last night. Eloquence is no substitute for experience. John McCain is extremely experienced, and although Palin isn't very experienced, I hope, and I trust, that her character of honesty, of forthrightness, of reform, that I've read about, is true. Plus, I'm damn happy that another Harvard or Yale, or Ivy leaguer isn't going to be President this time around.

I was promised "if you send this to 20 friends, you will get some good news" blah, blah, blah. I never expected you to fall for this tripe. I know we don't see eye-to-eye on most things, but I always thought you were an intelligent person, but now I'm no so sure. Keep clogging those inboxes, and waiting for Obama's "change(in your pocket goin' jing aling aling)".

"Your, yore, you're all idiots." (T.Floyd)

You endorsed an opinion that called Sarah Palin a Red Neck.

A slur about a person's skin color and culture I thought was beneath Democrats, but as I've said all along, Racists are welcomed in the Democrat party. They hide behind Affirmative Action and Political Correctness, but they are still racists.

As I've said all along, when a Democrat says their vote ain't about race, it's about race.

That's the kind of Change we can believe in.

See below for a black liberal jounalist, who now says if Barack doesn't win, there will be race wars.

Click here for Racists comments from Black Journalist.

Whether obamanataion wins or loses they will riot and act like animals.

At least she didn't call you a "boy".

American life presents only so many ... shopping opportunities, Sky. Most of the sofas and televisions aquired in 1992 are worn and need replacement.

I guess they will need an excuse to loot....er I mean shop.

I wonder which riot will be larger? The "we won and now we can destroy everything" riot, or the "we lost and now we can destroy everything" riot. It will make an interesting November, don't you think?

"Your, yore, you're all idiots." (T.Floyd)

Come on, Richard. Even Bristol Palin's baby-daddy, Levi Johnston, boasts of his rednecky-ness on his MySpace page:

"I'm a f #$*in' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.
"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s*%# and just f*&%in' chillin' I guess."
"Ya f*&% with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.
He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

Lovely! (gotta luv those traditional family values)

Rednecky-ness Link

Because you love to argue, but you never say anything that has any signficance to it. According to the Book of Obama, and David's Mom, we all need to take sensitivity training so as to prevent such racist comments. You seem to believe that since Sarah's soon to be son-in-law, calls himself a 'redneck' that David's mom is correct in calling Sarah a Redneck. Hmmmm. Lets see if this applies to Obama.
Remember Obama likes Ludacris and here is but one chorus from his own song:

Why we fight each other in public in front of these arrogant fascists?
They love it; puttin the old niggaz vs. the youngest
Most of our elders failed us, how could they judge us? Niggaz
There's verbal books published by niggaz, produced by niggaz
Genuine niggaz, so I salute my, niggaz
Not mad 'cause Eminem said nigga, 'cause he my nigga
wigga, cracker, friend - we all black within, okay?

So, is it okay for me to call Obama a Niggaz, or is that a plural use of the word. Maybe the singular noun is 'nigga'. I don't know, because Conservatives don't use that sort of language. I mean if Enimen who is white, is also a 'nigga' then I guess I can be one too!

So from now on, to show unity with my Messiah, you all can call me "Hobbs the Nigga", since David's Mom, --who tells us of her sensitivity training, has endorsed such an idea, then no criticism of my logic will be tolerated. Oh, and don't forget Main Street blessing as well. As Ludacris says, we are all "black" inside.

Just to set the record straight, Obama does not know Ludacris and his campaign issued this statement about the song:

"As Barack Obama has said many, many times in the past, rap lyrics today too often perpetuate misogyny, materialism, and degrading images that he doesn’t want his daughters or any children exposed to," said spokesman Bill Burton. "This song is not only outrageously offensive to Senator Clinton, Reverend Jackson, Senator McCain, and President Bush, it is offensive to all of us who are trying to raise our children with the values we hold dear."

Beyond correcting your facts, there is also a flaw in your logic. There is a difference between referring to someone as they refer to themselves (the prospective son-in-law proclaiming hissown self a redneck) and someone referring to a description of someone (Obama) given by a third person (Ludacris).

However, and I'm sure David's Mom will agree, please feel free to go to a Ludacris concert and call Obama a "nigga" with our permission. It will be perfectly OK with us.

I agree!

David's Mom, a sensitive training expert, if I recall from her past posts, specifically cited this person's opinions as a basis for not voting for Palin.

Being called a red neck is silly. It neither offends nor excites me. But having a racial sensativity training expert, use that term of art, causes my Hypicritical-ometer to go hay wire.

David's Mom used an arguably racial slur, i.e. Red Neck to describe Palin.

So Jeff, look back at each comment and you'll see you overlooked something. MainStreet jumped in with the very logic that you now charge me with lacking, i.e. that if the father of Palin's grandchild, calls himself a red neck, that its okay for David's Mom to call Sarah Palin a redneck. So in that aspect I am in full agreement with you.

My comments about Ludacris were meant to serve as a hyperbole, and since that requires critical thinking and analysis, I figured you would get it. I'm very disappointed you didn't.

So copy and paste your comments back on this blog, but address them to Main Street and David's mom. They are the one's that think calling someone a Red Neck is fair game. I think its just typical double standards on the part of racists that like to hide behind their Democratic party's ties.

This young fellow is in desperate need of recognition! All that cursing in public media and bragging about whooping up on someone, anyone!

I don't know what "chillin" is, but I'll bet that he has done it, at least once!

Baby-daddies are not hard to come by and I'll bet the Palins would like a better choice maybe! The marriage will be a farce--justasomething to tell the baby when he is grown, when the divorce will have been done long ago. That is how it is done in "civilized society."

Those who think this girl messed up only once and got pregnant, need to read what this guy is saying! He pounded her until it happened! Those stringent family values cause some of this crap!

what these two hyperactive hormonals teenagers did is fornication (I consulted with a fundamentalist evangelical right here in PTC). Thus they are repeaters fornicators and really neither don't care nor know what family values are.

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Making you think twice......

With you scummy statements you have hit a low even for you. A lot of what you say can be brushed aside as just more of your jibberish; what you wrote in this blog is uncalled for and low.

You make me believe that it is a shame that pro-choice wasn't available when you were "hatched". As I said above, you certainly would be a poster child for planned parenthood pro-choice. You are a disgusting indivudual.

I re-read what Bonkers said and I don't get what has got you two in such a tight underwear fissure!

Does the very thought of that girl giving in to that on coming husband throw you for a loop? Don't you kn ow that 60% + of the H.S. girls, at least, practice sexual intercourse as often as is possible?

Don't you think they need pills or condoms?

Being silent no longer hides the action---never did.

Talk about it.

Bonkers utterly crude way of posting was over the line.

You re-read what Bonkers said? Don't you mean all your entities got together and discussed it? Can see and hear it now--Nit making a statement, Bonk refuting it, Sage interjecting some new drivel, Dollar putting in his/her two cents. Your head swiveling around trying to take it all in. Then the foaming at the mouth starts.You start spinning like a whirling dervish. Suddenly Nit emerges.This time he is the winner--he gets to blog-spewing his/her nastiness. Bonkers, Sage, Dollar, et al slink back into the nether regions of the brain (?) until the next attack hits.

Bonkers,(and you do live up to your name!)that last paragraph was utterly disgusting! You need a good soaping of your dirty, rotten mouth! Those comments have no place here and I wish you didn't either!

Ok, so this kid's 'MySpace' page shows how immature he is. We already know he's irresponsible. This young man sounds utterly illprepared to be a father. But in the grand scheme, isn't he just the boyfriend that most parents wish would go away? Problem is, because of their religious views, they're stuck with him because he knocked up their daughter. I bet Todd Palin would like to skin him like they do those moose up there.
I wonder if this family has considered adoption? There are so many childless couples that would be better parents than these kids.

that child is their grandchild. If your daughter got pregnant and was a teen-ager or your son got a teen-aged girl pregnant (and yes, it can happen in any family) would you love your grandchild less because the parents were not wed at conception or because the parents were young? There are many older parents out there who should not be parents. Just read the papers every day. There are many wealthy people who have children because it is time to have a child not because they really want a child. Speak to daycare workers who see very young children brought in at 6 am and the parent comes to pick them up at the last minute because they went shopping or played tennis or whatever before picking up the child. By now it is time to put the baby to bed. I am not talking about a case where the mother or both parents have to put in those hours from need. No one has a crystal ball--no one knows what kind of parent anyone will make. I became a mother at eighteen. I was married. I had three other children in quick succession (no guarantee with birth control in those days!). I loved each and every one--raised them right and today they have done the same with their children. Age doesn't always equal inteligence or common sense. Just look right on this site at Bonkers, Nitpickers, Sage, Dollar et al. That prolific blogger with many faces and names. LOL. Let's give these kids a break. Maybe they will get married and it will last-chances are it won't but at least give them a chance--as I would hope society would do if it was my child or grandchild.

I used to work in daycare and the very reason I quit and refuse to do that job again is because of the parents that dropped their kids off at 6:00 am and didn't pick them up until we were closing the doors because they "had" to get to the tennis court, go to the mall, etc. Those kids never saw their parents and it was our JOB to raise their kids. That's one (of many) reasons I stay home with my child. I sacrifice a lot (clothes for me, a fancy car, vacation, dinners out, just to name a few), but it is worth it.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

Jobs are hard to do. I had to do one for 50 years....hard.

The most important job in the world is raising one's child.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

True!
As long as someone else doesn't have to PAY for it!

Nobody else is PAYING for it. I have NO assistance because I CHOOSE to raise my child. We CAN'T get help because I am raising my child.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

Funny, you told me once you were born with a silver spoon up your bu..sorry, in your mouth.... http://www.thecitizen.com/node/24813/#comment-60957

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Bonker$

I just had to do this one.

Chao!!!

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Let's be adults here! You know what happens when you poke a stick at the chained dog! Be nice, Bonk can't help it, all of his personalities forget what the other one said!

"hutch" is the gentleman; me, I'm just some fat guy that likes to ride a bicycle and now I have to listen to some wild Italian kid making noise on the piano next to me in the hotel bar. Ugh, make it stop!!!!

Oh good, the hotel police picked him up by the arm scooted him off. Thank goodness for small favors. Now back to work

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you may have just heard the next great composer of the world, and what did you do . . .ugh!

Don't work too hard, and won't it be nice to be home and eat at the time you like!

really he was just a little brat that was hitting the keys.

And what do I do you ask. I'm a professional traveler and wine taster for the purpose of this very public board. E-mail me on The Citizen for details.

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Only if you use a very loose definition of gentleman.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

there are a couple of folks on here that I consider gentlemen . . .don't disappoint me, consider it a compliment! LOL!

Y'all do need to quit picking on ole Bonk.

how it is, when the old nose is picked clean the boink is all that's left.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

Can't sit here and laugh all day - I must demonstrate a little decorum while I'm here!

Mytmite~
I have 3 sons, the eldest is 21...we have thoroughly discussed these issues in our home. If any of them made this kind of mistake (yes--unplanned pregnancies ARE mistakes, hence the word UNPLANNED)I would mourn the loss of their youth and their future if they or the girl choose to have the child. Because I feel once you decide to bring that child into the world, your life is no longer yours, but the child's. That's the beauty of PLANNED parenthood...you choose when to become a parent, not to have the most important job in the world dumped in your lap because you didn't have a condom.
Birth control is readily available and easy to use. I feel if a person is too irresponsible to take precautions against unwanted pregnancy, what makes them responsible enough to be parents? I'd feel the same about my own sons. But everyone wants to bury their head in the sand and hope for the best and give them a chance. Well, as I said before...I feel sorry for both Bristol Palin and her beau...he looked like a poor dear in the headlights tonight at the convention. I hope he has the courage of his future mother-in-laws convictions, but I think he's scared sh*tless...as he should be.

Did you mean the young man looked like a dear in the headlights or a deer in the headlights? Guess people see what they want to see. He looked to me like any young man would look at such an auspicious occasion. No one in that family, youngsters included, looked like they were trapped. Maybe they are scared s&#@less. I was too and I had a marriage certificate and a ceremony before the pregnancy and yes I was a virgin.

As to unplanned pregnancies. I guess you were lucky. Any gyno will tell you that no contraceptive is 100% foolproof. In a perfect world, everything would work out as we want it to--but this is not a perfect world. Almost from the beginning of time, young people with the best of intentions get caught up in the moment. Hormones are raging and I am sure most of them don't start out to say they are going to have sex and get pregnant. In my era, it was thought that a young girl that got pregnant before marriage was a 'bad' girl. My contention was that she was not a 'bad' girl--if she was truly a bad girl she would have known how to protect herself or would have done something about the situation. Many a good girl has been caught up in a situation of the moment. In these moments, sons and daughters don't always remember 'mama's' lectures.

Good luck with your sons. I hope you never have to face this situation. But remember, you are not with them 24 hours a day and no one knows what can happen. For their sakes and yours I hope it doesn't. Thankfully, I never had to face this situation but I can feel for the family and not cast aspersions on how the children were raised. There but for the grace of God go thee and me.

I was on birth control when I got pregnant. It wasn't planned. I wasn't married, but I am now, to my son's father; does that mean that MY child was a mistake? Heck NO! My child wasn't planned, and I was taking the proper "precautions" and still got pregnant. My child was meant to be in this world and I find it very offensive that you would call ALL unplanned pregnancies mistakes. How rude.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

I find it peculiar that the makers of birth control pills and the doctors that prescribe them state that, when taken correctly, are over 99% effective...given the countless percentage of women that claim they "were on the pill" and still got pregnant. Sounds odd to me...whatever. How will you, or have you already explained to your child that had your birth control pills 'worked' as you wanted, he/she would not be here. Sounds "meant to be" to me. Sometime truth equals rude, sorry if that offends you.

You're nuts. Don't "apologize" if you don't mean it. What a joke. My son is THREE YEARS OLD, I'm not explaining jack to him, and I probably never will. WHY? Because I never asked my parents if they were on the pill when they got pregnant with me, that's none of my business! I was taking my pill, properly, at the same time EVERY DAY, and I still got pregnant, you said yourself it is only 99 percent effective. You do the math. Man, what kind of human are you? "Sometimes the truth equals rude???" What is wrong with you? Do you understand TACT? No, probably not, because no matter how you say it, you are still saying that ALL unplanned pregnancies are mistakes. Were you planned? Did you ever ASK?

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE

But, if their religion were really playing a role, would she not have married at 6 weeks pregant, not 6 months? I am thinking they really don't have a plan here. That boy doesn't want to get married or have kids.

Sure sounds like something that came straight from the Democratic Party. Below is a blog from someone who was for Hillary and is now for Palin.

I was for Hillary and was upset when she didn't win, but then I decided to vote for Obama. Then I talked with a friend who knew of him in college and later in Illinois. The following are her comments:

I found Obama to be other than honest. He refuses to give information on what he did in college and later in life. He partied when he should have been studying, he never called his grandmother who raised him. He bought his grades from a fellow student. When he went to work in Illinois, he professed to be a communty organizer, when in fact what he was doing was orgainizing a group to take over the Democratic Party. He was affiliated with hate-mongering ministers, racketeers, and foreigners who do not look favorably on our government. Thinking of him as president of our great nation keeps me awake nights.
I kmow some of these things may be seem far fetched to you but I knew him and was and am aware of all these things.

The above is a figment of my imagination, but it is as believable as the information you offered in your post. Something that is unsigned can be produced by anyone with no chance of being refuted. Give me a statement signed by someone willing to back up what they say and then I will give it credence.

Barack's campaign refuses to release his Columbia College Records.

In 2004, they made fun of how stupid Bush was, and they laughed when they read his average grades. Then finally, after the election, Kerry's records showed his grades were worse.

Now why do you suppose the Messiah refuses to release his college records.

Or for that matter, he was on the Law Review at Harvard. Wow, that ought to be something to brag about. But wait, what did he write as one of the first minorities to have that position? Zip, Zilch, Nada, nothing.

Barack never said one word in the Law Review.

This is further evidence that he's been hiding his true beliefs for years. He just has finally been caught.

Thanks for sharing.

even with a disclaimer. How do we know the information you posted ( and probably believed to be the truth) was anything but a figment of that person's imagination? We have to be careful of what we pass on lest we be pulled into someone's else machinations. Beware!

"The above is a figment of my imagination"

Did you miss that part?

Were you on Law Review at John Marshall? What have you published other than hateful blogs?

because you make great points. This presidential election is quite unique. Are we voting for a president or a VP? Considering your blog, Biden hands down is a better choice for VP, however, McCain is the best choice for president. Quite a precarious dilemma I would say, regardless of whose side you are on!

and I would prefer someone a bit above "average" to lead our nation, thanks!

I understand your point, my point is that she is not above no one, just a regular gal that happens to be pretty sharp on the political scene and that will not back down from good fight.

....and, looking at her twice, a real bombshell, too!
Her past needs to be checked for any loose end...

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Making you think twice......

absolutely,(on both of your points!).

Why Obama has had like 2 hard questions in the 2 years he's been running for President and now in the last weekend Palin has had 100's of hard and personal questions and a very intrusive press is not explainable - unless it is a biased press attitude. I'm thinking that's what it is.

The only question left is how smart the voters that actually vote in November are. Will they pay attention to who the candidates are and what they stand for and vote with their brains or will they vote for what makes them feel good (youth, skin color, "change").

I'm betting that the media will keep pushing their liberal favorites and the smart voters will prevail. If God wants to help - he/she can make it rain on election day. That keeps the fringe voters (who don't understand the facts) out of the game.

Pray for rain.

Are you insinuating that democratic voters won't get out in the rain to vote because of their ethnicity, age, laziness, hair, female?

Is FOX one of the "media?" Is that dude from Australia? Is the Heritage Foundation a member of the media?

Are the right wing churches (no evolution, no dinosaurs, no condoms, no sex, abstinence, no abortions, God is white, Jesus wasn't a Jew, Don't eat pork, whop-up on your kids, wars are usually good if fought for Christian purposes--which is all purposes, Muslims are bad towel heads, terrorists are Muslims, send your money! Are they media?

Non-understanding fringe voters, don't know our facts, will not get wet on election day!

Obama is black---he has had more than two hard questions in his life!
He didn't have to get married like the VP nominee and her daughter! To the best of my knowledge! That promotes talk--especially with the fundamentalists- snake handlers, and hot-stove-picker-uppers! Somebody had sex--obviously! Shame on them!

Due to the mess we are in from Bush and crowd, I will still have to vote for John and ignore the V-President, hoping that John lives four years and isn't senile now like Reagan was---thank goodness for Nancy. who also could teach the two Palins some things about being young!

It is great to follow the logic of a converted soul like nitpickers who is now a McCain supporter. Many more will follow, though probably not exactly via. the same path. But as they say - it is about the journey, not the destination.

No convert. Worked for McCain the first time Dole stabbed him!

I am an Independent.

We have too horrible a mess created by the Bush stooges and him, to allow Obama a chance now.

We need a thumper for awhile. Maybe John can live four years, I hope so!

All these people pretending to be outraged when you know they are dancing with glee. What hypocrites! Now fill me in on the statement about whether or not Obama is a citizen--maybe we can become outraged about a non-citizen trying to run for the CEO of the country. Couldn't be any more ridiculous than what is happening with Palin. Think all of this is swaying me to vote for her. First there was such outrage when they bought the story that the Downs Syndrome baby was Palin's daughter--then when that was proven wrong they jumped on what a rotten mother she was for her daughter getting pregnant. If we castigated every mother who had a teen-ager get pregnant we would be very busy. Then there is the 20 year drunk driving charge for her husband. It is presented as if it happened yesterday! How readily they forget Ted Kennedy and his escapade. No one bothers to mention this as their eyes swell with tears as he is greeted as a hero at the DNC. Just love the two sets of values--the ones for the Dems and the ones for the rest of the world. Until recently I leaned toward the Democrats but not with this nutcake fringe. And they talk about conservatives being judgemental! Give me a break!