First McCain/Obama Debate- Above his pay grade?

Mon, 08/18/2008 - 8:13pm
By: Richard Hobbs

I've been out of town and missed the first showing of the Rick Warren's debate at his Church on Saturday night on CNN. (Thank God for TiVo.)

I wondered why no one was talking about it. I was feeling under the weather and decided to wait until someone spoke up. But no one has, so I began to wonder why.

I first was disappointed that it wasn't going to be a point/counterpoint debate. No finger pointing and hard looks. But I had to admit, it was a terrific debate and I'd have to say, I'd prefer that kind of debate from now on, albeit, I'd rather that it be taped, cut and pasted so you can better show the differences in how these candidate answered the questions.

So why hasn't anyone been commenting? Well the Disciples of Obama are actually pretty embarrassed. They couldn't wait for the comparisons to begin between this young brilliant Messiah verses an old codger who is part of Bush's third campaign. They had plans to promote it for several weeks, and even on into the Convention. But something happened, the real Barack decided to show up, not the one that reads from teleprompters so well.

Instead, they got an empty blue suit. Deer in the headlights. First Day of Kindergarten. The beloved Boy Wonder was horrible. I loved his answer to the question about EVIL. Yes, there is evil, but we must act with humility when confronting it. Wow! I was disappointed though that my TV's closed captioning wasn't showing his words using a RED FONT, since they sounded almost Christ like.

So tell me your thoughts. Anyone with half of an intelligence saw Barry stutter and stammer his way through the whole ordeal. I'll finish by quoting Barack. He said that the issue of when life becomes constitutionally protected life was "above his pay grade". Yes, you got that right, the man that would lead us all, says that he isn't paid enough to be able to answer that question.

Can it really be this easy?

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Fri, 08/22/2008 - 7:08pm.

Way to go Obama, what a choice. Evan is really gonna be happy to be given all of this free exposure. Because, as I've said before, everyone, every single thinking voter, is going to look at the comparison, scratch their head, and wonder, how in the hell did that happen? Evan should be the head of the ticket.

So, Evan has little to lose, except if he wins. If they win, he has to wait for 2016 at the soonest to run for POTUS. But if he loses, then no one will blame him, charges of racism will turn more people off, and his own run as POTUS is assured, but only if Barack Loses NOW!

Can you imagine, a man of these qualities, of talent and experience, could tolerate waiting 8 years, while toiling away under this idiot's leadership, Argh! In fact, he's probably wondering how he is second chair to this liberal, elitist, who collaborates with the likes of Marxists, Muslim racists, and domestic terrorists.

But he knows, he just has to smile and play this gig out for 4 more months, and hope that the American people aren't this ignorant.

I'll give you 5 to 1 that he's running in 2012 as the "front runner".

Today is going to give us a Democratic President, in four years, since McCain has said, he'll not attempt a second term. Because Evan Bayh will likely defeat the V.P. choice that McCain is about to choose.

Wow, Bayh is kissing the ground today and thanking God for this wonderful gift.


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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 11:38am.

It was Biden not Bayh.


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 12:37pm.

Yeah, I should have known that Obama's campaign couldn't handle the secret too long. But what secret are we talking about?

The news reported a printer in Kansas having already printed thousands of these Bayh/Obama bumper stickers. Why?

Perhaps, Obama figured out, that my analysis was correct? I mean, even Reverend Wright reads my blogs, so why not the Messiah? ;>)

Or maybe Bayh stupidly turned it down.

Either way, Biden's comments about willing running as McCain's VP and that Obama wasn't qualifed to run as president, only 1 year ago, adds to the thrill!

But at least you got me on this one. Now take a look at this new blog Item I'm going to post. And Prove me wrong there.


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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 12:43pm.

BTW: McCain has not said he would not run for reelection. They disputed it and I'm not sure where the rumor started. Be bad for him if he did though, it would draw more attention to his age and senility.


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Submitted by Fred Garvin on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 7:30am.

Viewers question credential design

KUSA - Some viewers contacted 9NEWS Saturday, questioning the design of the credentials to see Sen. Barack Obama accept the Democratic Party's presidential nomination at INVESCO Field at Mile High. The viewers say with the stars and blue field in the lower left corner, it looks like an upside down American flag. Published flag etiquette states the stars should always be displayed in the upper left corner. An upside down flag represents an international symbol of extreme distress.


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 9:04am.

Anyone with half of a brain, with any amount of patriotism, could see that design and see that obviously this design is wrong.

How could they let this little insignificant design go unnoticed?
Because Patriotism, love of Country, of our American flag, has never crossed a liberal's mind.

What the Democratic Convention is focused on is the color of the food that they will be serving, literally. Whether the grapes are organic, whether the paper plates are recycled paper, and where to hide the arrested protesters and homeless people in Denver.

Another sign, that the party that would elect a man whose own wife, has no pride of country in her heart, is terribly wrong for our nation.

I'm not against flag burning, or any vulgar use of the flag as protected speech. Something liberals love to do. Not because it doesn't make me sick to my stomach. But because John McCain said, that while he was being tortured in Vietnam,-- and while Obama was going to an elite muslim elementary school in Indonesia, his captors would show him pictures of protesters, burning our American flag. They did this to mentally torture him. Instead, McCain said that it proved what a wonderful country we have, where idiots, like the liberals, can descrate the American Flag, and to do so with the Freedoms that that Flag has given them.

So let the DNC get red, white and blue, toilet paper, let they disgrace everything that is patriotic in America, because that's why America is so great. We let idiots have their say, hell, we even let them vote for affirmative Action presidential candidates too.


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Submitted by JeffC on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 11:39am.

Defacing a flag:

http://www.bluejersey.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8034&goback=.ait

Get a grip Richard.


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Submitted by Main Stream on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 10:33am.

...and what does waving a backwards flag represent?

Stars and Stripes for Dummies


Submitted by Bonkers on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 11:15am.

Wrapping yourself or your cat in a flag means you are letting our country's reputation cover you for your dastardly deeds!

The current administration has wrapped themselves in our flag for nearly eight years.

The more the hypocritical conservatives harang every little deed by a nut about the flag and badges, the more the idiots will stretch out the jokes!

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Sat, 08/23/2008 - 6:07am.

As predicted by many this week, Obama chose the experience and more colorful personality in Biden over the other wanna-be's. Poor Shillary wasn't really in the running at all which isn't too surprising but I'm sure it will make some of the Hillary women more upset and they'll make more noise.

Between Huckabee and Hillary, both parties have their own version of sore loser to contend with. Both have "demands" and both insist on getting "respect" for their causes that they think only they are capable of leading. Both need to fade into oblivion, grow up, and shut up.

I thought the rub given to Chet Edwards was the second thing Obama was trying to accomplish throughout the process and definitely did. A lot of people who had not much idea of Chet "I'm not John" Edwards now realize he's one of the most powerful members of the House serving on both Budget and Appropriations and a guy who has been a faithful moderate-to-liberal Dem for quite a while. In Texas of all places and over Crawford, home of the W. He's also survived a re-districting that looked designed to get him defeated.

Evan Bayh might be the post-Obama future but for now is the experience and combative nature of Biden being used to balance out the Obama inexperience and reserved-so-I-don't-say-something-I-want-to-take-back-later nature style of the top man.


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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 6:10pm.

Debates/forums/town halls usually end with each side claiming their guy/gal did wonderful and won. Nothing really sways the usual partisans too much, and the so-called memorable moments like Bentsen-Quayle were memorable because the media made it seem like a huge moment when the voters could have cared less and saw it as being insignificant.

I think you have to look at it from the perspective of the on-the-fence independent who isn't fiercely partisan and goes either Dem or Repub. In that case, I think most indies watching were probably impressed with McCain and not so much with Obama. I can see why there were rumors of McCain somehow knowing the questions in advance because he came across better than usual and impressive at times, but McCain is in element in events like that one and he also has a staff that for once showed they aren't morons and had a good idea about what Warren would logically ask in that setting.

Obama doesn't do so well without a teleprompter and a well-rehearsed speech. His prepared speeches are much better and clearer than McCain's, but that's why McCain wanted a bunch of the town hall style meetings and Obama's staff said "uh..no thanks. We're taking the front-runner attitude even though the same approach got Shillary bombed-out." Now, does the fact that someone struggles to answer a straight-forward question in a debate mean he would in some way be a bad president? Of course not...presidents don't make decisions in a few seconds so Obama or anyone else having some trouble in a more free-flowing forum hardly matters. It's more spectacle than substance, but that's kind of Obama's gimmick. With Obama, it comes across that he doesn't have a set opinion on most issues and prefers to change them frequently. Both he and McCain lack many convictions or principles they won't change when it's temporarily expedient, but I'd say Obama falls shorter in this area than McCain.

I blame Obama's staff and Obama a little bit for not knowing very well what the questions were likely going to be and preparing better. None of the questions surprised me at all and Warren had said clearly several times the questions would be direct and without a lot of wiggle room. That means prepare to give direct answers and not vague fluff that most politicians attempt to.

I'd give McCain a big win on that night. In the long run, I don't know if it means a lot but I'm sure it made some Repubs a little more enthusiastic about him being prez and being competent, and probably got him good attention from the undecided.


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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 8:41am.

Come on Richard, McCain needed a head start, otherwise, he wouldn't have had a chance. He was in his element, touting his anti-choice and anti-gay record in front of the evangelical audience, feeding them just what they wanted to hear from their candidate (zygotes have rights, gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, drill-drill-drill, EVIL-bad!).

The world is black and white to McSame so it's no wonder he spewed out canned answers without any DEEP thought or reflection on the question.... kind of like, well, uh, Bush. And now, we're hearing that he wasn't even in a "cone of silence" like Warren indicated but was instead in his bus with access to the broadcast, the questions, and Obama's answers. What a crock.

(And he really should stop using the term "my friend" - it's very nauseating.)

So let's see.... Obama put some thought into answering the questions, McCain offered short quips and remarks from his same stump speeches. Wow, McCain wins. (are Repub's really that shallow?)

On a side note, will Rick Warren REALLY cast his vote for an adulterer? He has stated that he would have a real problem voting for someone (like McCain) who had cheated on his wife:

ABC's JAKE TAPPER: Would you have compunctions about voting for someone who had cheated on his wife?

WARREN: Absolutely I would. Absolutely I would. Because if you can’t keep your faith to your most sacred vow – “’til death do us part” -- how in the world can I trust you to lead my family? My government? My nation?


Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 1:14pm.

Warren will vote for McCain in spite of what he said. He wouldn't know anyway if who he voted for was an adulterer or not---would he just simply believe them? All BS, you know. So will most of the conservatives.

Including me, an Independent. I like John, not necessarily his temperament, honesty, or party.

He is a terrible speaker and unconvincing (so is Bush) and he does say obvious fibs, but he does have sufficient dedication to carry him through without going "BONKERS!"

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Mon, 08/18/2008 - 8:36pm.

I mean if the King James Version has the Audacity to use Red Letters to quote Jesus, then why can't we use Red to Quote Obama? Get with the program Cal, unless you are a Pharisse or Sadducees.

Anyway, back to the topic:

You see, Obamaniacs, he isn't that bright, outside of what a teleprompter says. This following Opinion Journal commentary is the first, and more examples of how he isn't a candidate of CHANGE, he isn't for HOPE, he isn't a NONPARTISAN, will be forthcoming. He's just an opportunist, plain and simple.
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Barack Obama got to be the Democratic presidential nominee in large part because he opposed from the start the use of U.S. military force to liberate Iraq. Hillary Clinton and John Edwards, by contrast, both voted for it. But an exchange in Saturday night's forum with Rick Warren raises serious questions about Obama's honesty vis-à-vis Iraq. Here it is:

Warren: What's the most significant--let me ask it this way. What's the most gut-wrenching decision you ever had to make and how did you process that to come to that decision?
Obama: Well, you know, I think the opposition to the war in Iraq was as tough a decision as I've had to make. Not only because there were political consequences, but also because Saddam Hussein was a real bad person, and there was no doubt that he meant America ill. But I was firmly convinced at the time that we did not have strong evidence of weapons of mass destruction, and there were a lot of questions that, as I spoke to experts, kept on coming up. Do we know how the Shia and the Sunni and the Kurds are going to get along in a post-Saddam situation? What's our assessment as to how this will affect the battle against terrorists like al Qaeda? Have we finished the job in Afghanistan?
So I agonized over that. And I think that questions of war and peace generally are so profound. . . .

But Obama's famous anti-Iraq speech, which he delivered Oct. 26, 2002, depicted the decision as anything but profound:

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

Now Obama expects us to believe that opposing what he understood at the time to be no more than a "cynical attempt" by "armchair, weekend warriors" to "shove their own ideological agendas down our throats" and an "attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us" was the most gut-wrenching decision of his entire life.

Could it be that Obama did in fact agonize over the decision but decided not to share that fact with the voters until now? Perhaps, but why? Earlier in Saturday's interview, Warren asked Obama to name an incident in which he "went against your own best interest, for the good of America." Here is the relevant part of that response:

When I opposed the initial decision to go into war in Iraq. That was not a popular view at the time. And I was just starting my campaign for the United States Senate. And I think there were a lot of people who advised me, you should be cautious. This is going to be successful. The president has a very high approval rating and you could end up losing the election as a consequence of this.

If Obama told Warren the truth about his own deliberations in 2002, then he misled the voters back then by concealing his sympathy for (notwithstanding his ultimate disagreement with) what he believed to be a politically expedient position. Perhaps a psychiatrist could offer some elaborate explanation of why he would do this, but Occam's razor suggests that what Obama is saying now is simply at variance with the truth.


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Submitted by JeffC on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 12:07pm.

Because Obama was thoughtful in coming to his decision, assessing the Sunni-Shia-Kurd conflict and assessing how the invasion of Iraq would affect the battle against terrorists that somehow is construed that his decision about starting a war was not profound? I don’t see it Richard.

The neo-cons had long ago decided to invade Iraq, years before 9/11. Obama’s understanding of Saddam and Iraq was exactly right as shown in his speech months before the invasion:

“But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.”

His speech also showed his knowledge of the consequences of the war:

“I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.”

All of this turned out to be correct. His strategic analysis was far superior to the neo-con’s vision which, just like Obama warned, was a cynical and ideological agenda foisted off on the American people by a concerted effort of lies and malfeasance by a group of people who were willing to have our soldiers and country pay any price to try to bring their warped fantasies to fruition; just as long as they personally had nothing at risk.

Was Obama prescient? Of course not. There were many of us warning of the consequences which were so evident and so totally ignored.

A blind man could have seen it with a stick.


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 9:04am.

Unfortunately for Obama, the Iraq War is not going to help him with his election. It got him the nomination, but it ain't gonna help in the general election.

You said he was being "thoughtful." Lets see, to be thoughtful, it would seem that somehow one had a "thought". This would require that he have information in which to base his "thoughts" upon.

Unlike Hillary, Kerry, and Edwards, et.al., Barack did not read all of the intelligence reports that lead up to the War. So he "thought" about the War and without knowing what most of the house and Senate knew, he made his own decision. Yeah, right. He was drawing to an inside straight and got lucky on the River.

But think for a second Jeff, what the world thinks about America.

If we had left Sadamm in power, allowed him to ignore the first 18 UN resolutions and by now it would have increased to 25 resolutions at least. Then consider Russia's invasion of Georgia and the UN resolutions that will come from that.

At some point, at some time, we either act upon rogue nations or we sit back and wait for another terrorist plot that had been incubating for years under the safe harbor of despots like Sadamm and Afghanistan.

But hey, I noticed you didn't comment on the Warren Debate. I know why. Because it was so obvious that your guy not only can't handle a job that is over his pay grade, he's already over his own pay grade.

And don't watch the polls either, they are not reliable and will change repeatedly, especially when the conventions come about.

But until then read the polls and weep, because enough Americans saw your Boy Toy King's answers in that debate, and today McCain now has a 5 point lead. Thats a 12 point difference in just under a couple of months.

If he is so thoughtful, as to suggest he's not capable of making a decision about abortion because its out of his pay grade, then what else is? Dealing with Russia? Dealing with the Economy? Dealing with Social Security?

Symbolism over Substance has been the Democrat mantra for years.

One last thing. Barack is supposed to be about CHANGE. Well look at "his" convention. Three Clintons, your dad, and a whole host of old democrats are going to speak. How is that about Change?

Did you see him studder when he mentioned that Justice Thomas would not have been his nominee, because he was not "experie...." not "qualified" to serve. He figured that out real fast, but couldn't stop from saying it. Without a Teleprompter, your boy is way above his own pay grade.


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Submitted by JeffC on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 1:28pm.

If you can remember back until the war started then you may remember that I too opposed it. Like Obama I did not have access to the intelligence reports and yet I arrived at the same conclusion for the same reasons. At the time all of the weapons inspectors were feverishly working to inspect every possible site that the Bush intelligence system was suggesting. The war was preordained by the neo-cons way before 9/11 and as virtually every official now out of the government has attested in their books, the Bush administration was fabricating intelligence to justify the war which they had already decided to fight. That is why they pulled the weapons inspectors out of Iraq before they could finish their work. It would have increasingly difficult to justify the war if the weapons inspectors had found nothing by September 2003, 6 months after the war started. Therefore it was necessary to terminate the inspections and invade as precipitously as possible.

I saw it and obviously so did Obama. As you may remember, at the time we were calling for another 5000 inspectors to be sent in; a demand utterly rejected by the administration because they knew and we knew that another 5000 inspectors finding nothing would end their neo-con dream of invading Iraq.

It is utterly astonishing to find neo-cons like you suddenly concerned about what the world thinks about America. Following the political guidance of your fellow travelers has resulted in alienation of our allies, isolation of the United States, providing a training ground for terrorism, cost thousands of American lives and wasted an unimaginable amount of money.

And for what? Even if all your fantasy imaginings came true all you would have accomplished was to turn Iraq into a Shia state aligned with Iran which is exactly what is happening.

Obama didn’t need access to fabricated intelligence reports. All he had to do was give the situation a thoughtful analysis to come to the same conclusion that every administration before this one came to, which was as Obama said before the war started:

“I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.”


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 3:09pm.

Because for Obama, he said this was "the" most gut wrenching decisions he had to make. Why? because he said, he would pay the cost of his decision "politically."

Pay a cost "politically?" You've got to be kidding. He was a shoo in in Illinois for the Senate.(If only Jeri Ryan's divorce attorney hadn't put the fact that her husband wanted to have a 'three way' while visiting Paris, then maybe, he might have had some competition.

The fact is, Hillary, Edwards and every other Democrat "paid" that cost, visa via Obama's constant attacks on them. He made the decision out of political gamesmanship. Nothing more nothing less.

The fact is with Russia rattling their sabers over Georgia and now Poland, I'm sure that America has looked at these two candidates and decided that they don't want a "community organizer" to defend us in the National scene.

I predicted it months ago. Your Messiah peaked too early. Now we are getting to know him and we really aren't finding things to like about him, instead, we are finding a lot that is wrong with him. I wanted him to drain all of Hillary's money in the primaries, but I gave the Dems too much credit. They actually did let this moron get the nomination.

BTW: have you ever read the Harvard Law Journal's articles authored by him? He was the editor in chief. What do you think about his writing skills?

Now Please Repeat After me.

"Thank God President McCain is handling this Russian Crisis. He is the man for the job."

(This is what Wesley Clark said about George Bush after 911 when asked if he is sorry Gore wasn't in charge.)


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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 8:20am.

"Thank God President McCain is handling this Russian Crisis. He is the man for the job."

I'd love to know exactly how you think McCain is going to handle the Russian crisis.

I predict that he and Bush will do exactly nothing of any consequence. Empty words and threats mean nothing and when a bluff is called you are not stronger for having made it.


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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 9:43am.

Jeff, we live in a world that has walls and those walls need to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? Barack Obama? Yeah right.

John McCain has a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Sadamm, Putin, the guy from Iran, Hezbolah, and the terrorists in Palestine, and then you have the AUDACITY of Dopes by cursing the Marines; (calling them Nazi's and baby killers, while spitting on them when they return from war,) you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what John McCain knows: that American deaths, while tragic, probably saved lives and that McCain's existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.

You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties you want McCain on that wall, you need McCain on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use then as the backbone of a life trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline at Hollywood Parties with Hollywood Stars, Your leader, Barack demands that we respect his form of patriotism, merely because he has the right to disavow anything and everything under the Sun that Liberals determine is politically correct.

John McCain has neither the time nor the inclination to explain himself to a racist loving/terrorist admirering/Marxist mentoring,Grandmother dissing, wet behind the ears, egomaniac who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom McCain provides and then questions the manner in which he provides it.

I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

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Barack Obama is like a Hit Movie. We first hear about it on Commericals, then get excited when we are waiting in line, listening to all of the commentary about what a great movie it will be. The problem is, no one has ever seen the movie. But the excitement rises to a fever pitch, when all of a sudden, we begin seeing trailers. Those trailers start painting a different picture of who he is. Until finally, we see the movie, and although we see many in the crowd swooning from this Messiah and Hollywood Megastar. We just don't understand why there was such a big build up to this "B" class movie.

Fortuntely, the truth comes out, of those that have watched the movie, and the superstar sensation that preceded the showing, is getting sort of boring and tiresome.

Did you ever see Costner's movie "Waterworld", or Hoffman and Beatty's movie "Ishtar?"

Well the same is happening now. Instead of the Audacity of Hope, its the going to be called "The Ignorance of the Dopes."
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Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 12:00pm.

Has everyone nearly gone bonkers on here?
You obviously have Obama mixed up with some other minorities that you don't like! I'm not voting for him because he needs to prove himself a few more years, and that only.

All this "walls" and standing guard duty by Jeff doesn't seem to fit here! I know Jeff and he would make a terrible wall sitter!

Communism is pretty dead by the way, but socialism is on it's way from both parties!

You really do sound disturbed--in some ways.

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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 11:41am.

Yeah, yeah. We all know you can be nasty but does this ranting mean that you can't explain exactly how you think McCain is going to handle the Russian crisis? As I suspected.


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Submitted by Mike King on Thu, 08/21/2008 - 8:34am.

Reminds me of 1979. Nothing of consequence would be better than a national debacle.


Submitted by Bonkers on Tue, 08/19/2008 - 11:16am.

Pretty weak criticism of Obama here. I will not vote for Obama but I will defend him when he is correct.
I think that he would not have invaded Iraq if he had been President then.
He would have continued in Afghanistan and cleaned it out along with Pakistan.
He would have continued the no-fly zones to control Saddam until the UN finally stepped in and occupied the place.

We have made no progress in Iraq. The place is a total disaster. We will be there in some fashion forever.
It was a terrible mistake.

Submitted by TyroneTerror on Wed, 08/20/2008 - 8:45am.

Bonkers, Surely you don't believe that.
You're right on one account though, Obama would not have went into Iraq, he wouldn't go into any country including Afghanistan or Pakistan. Obama would have waited on the U. N. (Ultimate Nobodies) and he still would be waiting today. Talk is all he would have done and all he will do if he becomes president. Hell, that's all he's done since he first started running for political office.

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