Of all he has done, this war is the worst. Yes, many others, including everyday citizens backed him but that was before we learned about the lies--NO WMDs and then his shrugging and indicating that even though there were no WMDs we needed to go in there anyway. George W. Bush is a posturing little banty rooster. Remember his infamous strutting "Mission Accomplished" fiasco? He had no idea what he was doing and still doesn't. He and his hand picked Cabinet has had no respect for the American people. More laws have been disregarded, more cronies pockets lined with millions and millions of dollars from contracts handed out to all of Cheney's subsidiaries-they got all contracts for food services, security and whatever else they could get their greedy hands on without anyone else having a chance to bid on them. And don't tell me that was for expediency. When anyone has tried to blow the whistle on fraud,etc. they are either fired or moved somewhere else. Billions have been wasted in this war while own maimed service personnel were treated in hospitals that you would expect to find in third-world countries and nothing was done until parents, etc make a stink. For some reason this country has stood by as Bush did as he pleased and laws and Constitution be damned. Talk about bringing shame to the Oval Office! That is shame. Time and money and much yelling and screaming trying to impeach Clinton for hanky-panky while in office--for messing around with an intern and not 'fessing up to it. If lying can get you impeached, George should have been long gone. George W. is to use a Texas phrase "All hat and no cattle" and we as a country are paying for his run-away ego. And I am not a bleeding heart liberal, but a shamed Republican.

about 40 years ago when things were questioned and politics played into decisions regarding our strategy in SE Asia. Parents then too were wondering the same about their sons and that conflict.
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I remember it well cyclist. There is probably little use in pontificating about the Vietnam era at this point. Yardman's entry offers the best solution:"...I am turning my energies to trying to change the way we, as voters, view elected officials and the way we elect them..
Thank you yardman. I am keeping the faith.

if you miss a day on this board you miss a lot.
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what would I do without my regular serving of "humble pie"?

Respect it kind of like Clinton did, maybe? And by the way, tax cuts stimulate the economy and increase revenues. IF you don't have a give-away Congress and President. You are right in one area. President Bush and the Republican Congress should have done more about the energy problems when they had the power. Now we have Pelosi holding it up.

Whew! When I wrote my response, it was only 1 of 2. Go away for a week and...man... what a blog! Anyway, I didn't know if you were responding to my blog, but here are a couple of points.
My reference to the Office of President was not a defending of the alley cat president, Clinton, but that it is too common for Bush supporters to say "respect the office," (since they can't defend him any other way), while in the same breath bashing Clinton. If one thinks the office should be respected, then it should have been respected during Clinton's administration. It wasn't by the media, the bloggers, the Republican's, etc. So it is hypocritical to call for a ceasing of our disagreement with Bush by saying it "disrespects" the office. Actually, it is what differentiates us from other countries, we can openly question our President. In fact we need to as a duty to keeping our government accountable.

My second point, is that if the tax cuts were actually working, how do you explain a yearly $500 billion deficit, an increase during Bushes regime of $4 Trillion in the national debt, a devaluing of the dollar in all markets, the Euro was $.97 in 2000, it is $1.58 today. I don't like paying taxes either, but Clinton left us with a $125 million yearly surplus, a fully funded Social Security, and a strong dollar. Bushes tax cuts and his outrageous spending (remember it was a Republican Congress and Republican President from Jan. 2001 thru Jan.2007) who drove our country to the brink of bankruptcy. Since the tax cuts have been in place, please explain your theory that they have stimulated the economy? By the way, just for fun, look at your marginal tax rates under Clinton and see if they are significantly different under Bush. I know mine have stayed between 19% and 24% depending on certain issues. The 24% was last year, under the Bush tax cuts.

Just some food for thought. My economic situation was vastly better under the strong Clinton economy than after the famously heralded Bush Tax Cuts.

You are looking a lot like a Kool-aid drinking Democrat who would vote for a yellow dog - registered as a Democrat - instead of a human Republican who stands on two legs.

Am I wrong? Read no further - I apologize.

Am I right? I hope not, but now you have to read.

So, lets say your comrade in arms John McCain is defeated by people like you who vote Democrat instead of looking at the content of the candidate's character instead of voting for the color of his skin.

Now we have Obama in the White House in January of next year and he is going to do what? Run a war he wants to lose by retreating? Raising taxes on the "rich" - that's you dude. I assume you are a pilot making $276,776 last year on your flights to Europe and that puts you in his "rich" scope.

Gas prices? His solution is to tax the oil companies. I know you are smart enough to know that these taxes will be passed along to the consumer, but most Dems don't consider that. Just in case one Dem other than you is reading - higher taxes mean higher costs to you.

After January 2009, you can't blame this all on George Bush. You have to either take responsibility for your stupid Obama vote or just pay more and more and more. Good Luck.

you certainly do. Your response shows the problem with our country. We don't talk issues, we insult and degrade those who disagree. The pundits encourage it and the politicians embrace it. We elect based on hate, fear, and anger. That is certainly how you come across.

I hate paying taxes too. But if you look at our national debt, the abysmal failure of Bushes policies, and what you actually pay in taxes now versus 1999, you may be surprised. The Bush tax cuts combined with a yearly Republican National Deficit of $500 Billion has caused our current situation. Where were the "fiscally responsible" Republican's from 2001 thru 2006? When (who was it) said that "Congress is spending like John Edwards in a beauty parlor," they were talking about a REPUBICAN Congress!

We are in fiscal crisis. China pretty much owns the U.S. Our dollar is historically weak on all fronts. Our Social Security system is in crisis. Our housing market is tanking. Our National Debt has increased over 60% ($5.7 trillion in 2000 to over $9.4 trillion in 2007). Energy prices are at all time highs. Partly in due to speculation that was slid into an appropriations bill in Nov. 2000. Look up the Enron Loophole and see McCain's former Economic Advisor's role in that little gem.

So, why not stop insulting me because I am a pilot, or a Democrat (neither of which you have any idea as to the truth). As to your first paragraph, You are wrong! I accept your apology, but I did read further.

We can go on and on and actually discuss issues, but it really is you who has drunk the Kool-aid. You appear to have no interest in reality. We are going to pay for the Bush National Debt in too many ways and for too many years. Even Reagan and Bush 41 had the courage to reinstate taxes to stop a screamingly out of control national debt.

So, we'll see if Obama or McCain wins. My vote is not yet decided. I will vote for the candidate who I think will offer the best solution to our problems. If McCain gets off his pandering campaign and actually addresses the issues, I may certainly vote for him. But that is my business. I assure you my vote will be based on issues and solutions, not "stupid" and not straight party line. Wish I could say that about your vote.

Frustration is present in everyone right now, but it does not need to be slung around the room as I and others have done. I do know you are a pilot because I peek through your window when you are getting dressed - you stud, just kidding.

Anyway, regarding the Dems vs. Repubs kool-aid drinkers, it is obvious you are not one and neither am I. Apologize - kiss,kiss.

But seriously, this election is scary because of the kool-aid drinkers. Obama has convinced hundreds of thousands to register who have never voted before. McCain has inspired no new voter registrations and is running a campaign that reminds me of a car running out of gas. His only chance is to name Lieberman as VP. Rice and Powell would also do the trick, but they are too smart to get involved.

Obama may even take Georgia if he goes for Sam Nunn as VP - that ices it for him. 2 southern states - maybe 3 and he's in.

So, we get Obama as President. You ok with that?

See how civil and mature I can be when I'm not drinking and hubby comes home on time - for a change??? I apologize to all for my attitude last night. I'll be better now.

you posted this to the wrong thread. Keep to the topic, please.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Topic is clear to me - politics.

And your slug says "Democracy is not a spectator sport" and I agree - that's why I participate and can't understand those that do not.

Whoever is elected in January is inheriting a mess. Do we praise
Republican leadership for our current situation? The rich can afford the cost - the middle class is having trouble putting food on the table and gas in the car. (Pilots are having concerns about keeping their jobs!) This pro/con Obama/Democrats/ McCain/Republicans is a waste of time. We need to listen to the experts on the economy; look at what worked in the past to correct an economic down spiral; look for strategies that will unite this country - and be aware of the mental games that are being played to separate us as Americans. The oilmen have accomplished their objective. Their families will be independently wealthy for generations to come.

Methinks you have some incorrect information, Mom. The people that run oil companies are salaried employees who get some stock options and might control 1% of the company's stock. The other 99% is owned and controlled by stockholders who have no say in the running of the company, but certainly benefit from high earnings and dividends. Exxon/Mobil's largest stockholder? Bush? No. Cheney? No. Ted Turner? No. The answer is The retirement fund for the teacher's union in California. How about that? A triple play of liberalism - teacher's, unions and California all wrapped up in this huge (and imaginary) oil scheme to take over the country. Facts are really interesting, although sometimes inconvenient when they don't fit the thought template of the media that dumbs down everything for us and tries to play on this wealth envy thing that seems to have crept into your subconscious.

But, on to opinion. You say we need a strategy? Sure do and here it is. Drill for oil where it is - not where it is not. The reason people are frustrated with liberals is that they are so impractical. They say the oil companies have all this land leased that they can drill on now. Don't you think that they might have checked that out already and if they could extract oil from there they would have already done so? And build some refineries while we are at it. That in itself will increase the supply of gas (but not oil) and lower the price. Anybody notice that all this talk in Washington last week about drilling where we should actually chilled speculation in oil futures and lowered the price significantly?

Be practical - that what built this great country - not Republicans or Democrats and certainly not liberalism or phony environmentalism (which is actually the wolf of socialism dressed up as granola-crunching, sandal-wearing sheep). Like that metaphor?

And yes the next President will certainly have a huge mess to manage. The two finalists don't inspire me. The best thing for the country would have been Hillary since she could have actually made things much worse much quicker than any guy ever could and 2 years later there would be a huge revolt against the liberals in Congress and the Republicans would instantly have a supermajority in the House (they all face reelection every 2 years) and then 2 years later Jeb Bush would beat Hillary and sanity would return to Washington. Just kidding about Jeb - this country has had all they need of the Bushes and the Clintons.

If I may jump in here, your frustration with liberals is matched on our side by the denial of facts and lack of logic we perceive on your side. Oil companies now have 78 million acres of Federal land under lease. You asked, “Don't you think that they might have checked that out already and if they could extract oil from there they would have already done so?” The answer is no. Of the 78 million acres, 30 million acres have not had a single test bore drilled on them. When House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Nick Rahall introduced a bill three weeks ago to increase the lease amounts from $1/acre/year on a graduated scale up to $25/acre after 4 or 5 years, the Republicans fought it tooth and nail and eventually defeated it. After much hue and cry, the Republican message finally centered on claiming that there was no oil on the leased land.

The fact is that the potential of the 78 million acres is not known and the lack of logic is claiming there is no oil there while simultaneously not addressing why, if there is no oil, the big oil companies won’t let the leases go.

You make a some valid points in this argument. However, of the 78 million acres less than one third has "recoverable" product. The problem lays in extraction and accessibility. It's kinda like saying there is oil under Mount Everest. Why can't we get to it? I was recently reading one of many petroleum magazine articles in which we are able to drill more efficiently, at greater depths now, offshore than ever before. We are talking about sub sea drilling around 7000 to 10,000 feet. Not bad, me thinks.

The refining of oil shale in the past has been cost prohibitive. Keep in mind, I said in the past (15+ years ago). There are a couple of refineries around now that have the hydro forming and hydrocracking abilities to produce heavy fuels from these shales and oil sands (Canada). Most of these oils are considered "sour".

“Every time you vote Democrat God kills a kitten.”

Why don't you provide one example of how the oilmen - I assume you mean Bush and Cheney have profited from whatever you are accusing them of.

And you actually typed "The rich can afford the cost" ?

You need an adjustment. Bruce Grundy has some time tomorrow and he'll talk to you about your mindset and may be able to help you get through your blind liberalism.

I hope this works out for you.

to be "liberals."

Let's take a page out of the old, dusty GOP contract with America that has not been used ever: PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

Frustrated as you might be, the party you support and their economic policies, unchanged by this democratic congress, have lead to the largest deficit increases we've seen in our Federal Budget Deficit. They have unbalanced the budget balanced by President Clinton and the Republican Congress of the late 80s.

We have two perpetual wars that your guys are still redefining our reasons for being in.

Your party has assaulted civil liberties and privacies previously protected by The Constitution.

They attempted to over rule state's rights in the Schaivo case.

They have attempted to amend the "strictly constructed" Constitution to ban gay marriage.

Deal with it without your blindly lashing out at everyone as if they are the problem. Your party has had the keys and the driver's seat to this bus since 2001. We are where we are, and unless you have some solutions, you might as well hurl insults at yourself for voting for a bunch of people who feel government doesn't work to run the government. They have proved that their form of government doesn't work, and they had no help from liberals in doing it.

Kevin "Hack" King

Your party has assaulted civil liberties and privacies previously protected by The Constitution.

They attempted to over rule state's rights in the Schaivo case.

Well duh, you are talking about Republicans and Repubs love to say how they are "the party of Abraham Lincoln." I can't think of another President in history who had less respect for the Constitution and civil liberties than Lincoln. That's OK, he gets a free pass since only the outcome is remembered and not everything before reconstruction. Since Lincoln was "right,"the ends justified the means. Is that any different than the neo-cons' mentality today?

As far as having no help from the liberals in running things south, I saw plenty of it then and now. When it comes to waste, Robert Byrd is still the undisputed king. Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi can't wait to spend money on anything. Harry Reid takes the image of the Senate as being a more calm and collected political body and turns it into Romper Room on crystal meth.

The blame game has plenty of targets and no one is innocent. That includes so-called conservatives and the libs. That's why Congress has an approval rating near single digits and the public is totally disgusted. It's way beyond liberal vs. conservative ideology at this point.

"Harry Reid takes the image of the Senate as being a more calm and collected political body and turns it into Romper Room on crystal meth."

True.... True....

Kevin "Hack" King

"They have unbalanced the budget balanced by President Clinton and the Republican Congress of the late 80s."

I meant late 90s.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King

For always being the voice of reason. Using perjoratives against people who may have different views has never seemed too smart or "democratic" (oops, let me state right now, I was not referring to any political party!). I thought this space was for people to voice their ideas and beliefs. Evidently there are some who believe you only have those rights if your ideas coalesce with theirs. You constantly prove them wrong. Again, thank you. Shalom

I think the "mud" that is thrown around here is flying both ways!

"They do it too" ain't working here. Mudcat has developed a pattern of name-calling and issue avoiding. This is what this is. If Mudcat, you, or anyone else want to start a free-for-all blog, go for it. There are times, however, that reasonable people seek to debate ideas (internet stalkers not withstanding.) So don't brush off your anti-social fellow conservatives as doing what other people do. You might choose to try and reign in the "stupids", "kool-aid drinking," and "dumb" verbiage that is used when one is in an indefensible position.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King

Oilmen = the oil companies. Would you prefer to have one state the 'middle class can afford the cost? This is not a 'liberal'/'conservative' issue - its a survival issue. What do you suggest for correcting our current economic situation? I just read McCain’s platform. Where is that money coming from to institute his solutions? Anyway - I don't enjoy 'talking' with one who thinks I'm a 'dope' because I have a different viewpoint. Have a nice day.

after standing in the "blog" ring for these past few months, I have taken all I can take here and have to get away for awhile. Clinton? Bush? whose the worst? would you rather die of tuberculosis or cancer? Between them they have damaged the Presidency, maybe irreparably. The have damaged the way we, as people, view the Presidency, and they have damaged the way the world considers our nation.

You all go on arguing which was the worst, I am turning my energies to trying to change the way we, as voters, view elected officials and the way we elect them. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

Please accept my apologies if I have offended your sensibilities.
In my opinion, Clinton damaged himself irreparably, but not the office of POTUS.

In my opinion, Clinton showed great respect for the Office of the POTUS. By not caving in to the demands that he step down, he prevented the office from being compromised by "mob rule". The due process of impeachment was initiated and the results are part of history.

Clinton defiled the Office, both figuratively and literally. He was and is a sleaze. What he did there was not a private matter; it is the OFFICE of The President, for God's sake!! He lied under oath among so MANY things. I can't believe you people sometimes!!

If you believe Clinton was the fist president to have intimate relatonships with someone other than his wife, either in or out of the Oval Office. That has been going on for years with both Democrats and Republicans. The difference is that before this period of time, the press and everyone around was aware but did not publish what they knew. Read up on your American History. Not the feel good history taught to fifth and sixth graders but read some of the autobiographies of our former presidents, true biographies, not hack jobs. Some of our most revered presidents had mistresses before, during and after their tenure as president. Some of them had their mistresses on the government payroll so they could be near them. I am in no way condoning Clinton, but he was not the first, will not be the last but was the one unlucky enough to have it flaunted in the media and to have a hounddog of a prosecutor go after him. Where he goofed was in not admitting what he had done, shed a few tears, say he has learned his lesson and would probably have had at least one more four year term. I have never been a Clinton supporter, but I am a realist--and try to live in the real world. The perfect world would be the one where no one lied, cheated, committed adultery, hurt, maimed or killed anyone else--but we do not live in a perfect world and I doubt if we ever will. And again, I have to say that the things Clinton did were nowhere of the magnitude as those done by George W Bush to this country while being the "perfect" husband. If I had to make a choice I think, in spite of his flawed personality, I would have to choose Clinton over Bush.

I am in no way condoning Clinton, but he was not the first, will not be the last but was the one unlucky enough to have it flaunted in the media and to have a hounddog of a prosecutor go after him. Where he goofed was in not admitting what he had done, shed a few tears, say he has learned his lesson and would probably have had at least one more four year term.

Clinton served two terms. Hello? How could he have had "at least one more four year term" regardless of anything?

Fisting is not something we saw in those stories back in the '90's, MYTMITE.

I did research that in the internet as as far as I can tell tell, Clinton did not do that, nor did he need to do it and ........never mind. I hate talking about Clinton.

As far as economics the President has a minor role. Look to the Federal Reserve for the real driving force behind the economy - not the Pres. Although Obama seems intent on hurting it, But the only way he can do that is if the Dems control the House and Senate. No way that will happen. Right? Right? Please tell me that's not possible.

Usually a nice person and must have been having a bad day. I'll take their word (s) for it. I have just one thing to say to you "Shalom"

-- Whenever I'm tempted to tell someone to "screw off".
Perhaps we could start a Shalom movement. I nominate Muddle as captain. No, General is better. General Muddle. I like that.
Shalom.

Sounds like a name in a good British mystery doesn't it? And who, better than Muddle, could carry this off? Do you think he will accept the position? If we all just answered "Shalom" to anyone who was being nasty, vindictive or just really rude, we could change the world!! Or at least a few posts here! Great idea.

I never said he was the first to have an affair in the White House but he was the first to be convicted of lying under oath, I believe. And I believe it was the right thing to do to go into Iraq. I believe this War on Terror will last a long time and will be in other locations. I also believe if Obama gets in, we can kiss this wonderful country good-bye. With his inexperience and Marxist leanings, it will bring about CHANGE we will forever regret.

I may be wrong but didn't Nixon beat him to the lying bit, or was that not done under oath? First of all I do not condone Clinton's actions. But the lying only came after months and months and millions and millions of dollars spent trying to bring forth the fact that he had his "fling" in the White House. As I was pointing out, if "they" had not been out to get him and if it had been a different time and place, those in the know would have shrugged their shoulders and life would have gone on. I am not saying that that would have been right or wrong but simply stating a fact. I am scared at what is already happening to our country and definitely scared at what will happen regardless of who is in the Oval Office. I definitely do not think Obama is the answer-- I see lots of words with nothing to back them up. A scary, scary situation. I think McCain is more qualified-his age doesn't bother me-but some of his ideas do. I am afraid that our country is heading for big change and not for the good. What so many Americans don't want to face is the fact that we can go down as many other great nations have in history. And we are already on that slippery slope. God help us.

They were just out to get him and MADE him lie under oath!!

Has she rubbed off on you. Where do you see any whining? I did not say anyone made him lie under oath. In fact I have said he should have done as many before him and after him have done--Admit to everything, cry some tears, real or crocodile, swear he is reborn and will never do it again--and he would have been hailed as a hero. As I said before I am not a Clinton fan, just a realist. If that be whining, so be it. What do you call the claptrap you post?

Just what I said. "If "they" hadn't been out to get him" is making excuses for him and WHINING. And, it didn't start with Monica. There were others, remember? MANY others!

I told you most people on here are liberals and they would die for it.

If they are friends with a liberal they go along with them also. It's like their friendship is so valuable. LOL They really don't know what friendship is.

Did you know that you have enrolled in English 101 on this site and they are your teachers. Ha. They think they never make writing mistakes. Myself I do, I type fast. Who care's what they say.

Have you noticed they are ticked off with you and me. We did something right.

Denise could put them under the table in shame. We know why she is gone and who did it. Denise could care less. She got tired of fighting with babies.

You do a great job. Stand up for what you believe in. They don't bother me anymore. I understand how they are. With their rage against conservatives they have to live miserable lives. We know this by their posts.

I think we need to find someone to adopt them. They are acting like babies. I think they need to be burped. Even then I doubt they will stop their whining and crying.

Have a good day. I can tell you don't care what they say.

and whatever it was on the last e-mail you sent me, I hardly think you can say most people on here are liberals and just because I'm friends with some libs doesn't mean I go along with them. There's a difference between making mistakes and being incoherent andit would do you good to learn what it is. Please tell us why Denise is gone and who did it, by all means lets hear your side of this and your theory why she is gone, it should be funny. I liked Denise but I can tell you there was no reason she should have done what she did. I hate to say it but you're right about one thing, she can put us all under the table in shame because she owns that shame like no others on here.
While I don't think you'll find anyone to adopt you I do think you might need a keeper so good luck on that. One final thing maybe you can keep in mind, spell check is our friend, do try once in a while to use it.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I don't know why Denise and Beaver, other side trax why they are gone.

Oh, you can't make me mad, I don't get mad often. Spell check is your friend also.

I don't know what Denise did. No one on here will tell me. How about you tell me and that would make me stop posting to you. Also, I need to know what other side of trax and beaver did. If you don't answer all three. I am still here. I'll be waiting.

Even if you do that I still like you. What you don't understand is I can tolerate alot of things said to me.

What shame does Denise have? She did not say anything about Muddle to me in the emails. She said she was having computer problems.

After a few emails she has a back problem. Until now did she feel like doing anything.

You tell me what Denise did? Denise didn't do anything. I want to see what you think she did.

I don't think you know what liberal is? Tell me in your own words what a liberal is?

Hutch spell check is your friend also. Check it out yourself. You make alot of mistakes also. You say you type slow, so you can't use that line.

Tell Progressive Agressive, Git Real, amd Get Real hello for me. I almost forgot tell Seeker, Muddle hello. I could go on it's not worth it.

Wow, ever since you became friends with Sniffles5 and Main Stream you act just like them.

BTW Patches is the name. Like Git Real is only Git Real, Patches is Patches.

Whether you know it or not Denise was involved in the muddle thing, why do you think she is not here anymore? You have a theory lets hear it. While muddle might have had a second ID, it was not an evil twin like your Lily's was, you've almost had as many IDs as dollar, as far as Git is concerned, you aren't half the Christian he is, and I really don't think any one on here but you could call me a liberal. If being a liberal is not slamming someone over the head with my religious beliefs, then yeah I guess I'm a liberal. I've met Main once, I don't know if I would call her a friend, but I would call her an acquaintance, and I would most definitely call her before I would call you. BTW, point out my mistakes if you can find one. So in closing patchesBPRLilyIrir, and whatever that last name was, I will send your regards to muddle and Git, but I'm sure they will take them for what they're worth.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

How you doing?

Say hello to Hack, Cy & Git for me.

How's my favorite lady blogger doing? I'll do it for you , Cy, Hack and Git, Tug says hello. How's that?

I yam what I yam....Popeye

In words what did Denise do? I don't have a clue what happened to Denise. She had a hard fall and is not able to get around much. As if you would care? She is taking alot of physical therapy. I haven't heard from her that much.

For your information I had as many id's as your good friend Git. You have assumed that I have more. You were saying I was people that I wasn't. So, get over it. There are alot of here that have lots of id's. You know some of them.

As far as being a Christian there is not a level on being a Christian. Git being a Christian is between him and God. Just as mine is between me and God. You don't make me feel bad. I just think you don't know about Christianity. So, saying Git is a better Christian than me does not matter. If you understood Christianity you would know that.

I don't care what you think of me. You are just ticked off about something. I don't care if you call me friend. That's fine. You thought saying that would make me upset. Sorry, didn't work. I know my value and it's not based on what anyone says.

My point is you start acing like the people you hang around with. There has been 3 or more that has told Main what they think of the kind of attitude that is brought out when Main posts. Actually, I feel sorry for Main. Main is not a happy person unless she fights with you or you agree with her. I like Main, she need to get a grip on the frustrations in life.

I did not have a thing to do with Muddle's being fired. I have a friend that was looking at Christian Colleges to send their child and ACC was one of them along with Lee College. It was Main that said what ACC was. Main is still here, always will be.

You know what Hutch, I have peace with all of this. You can dislike me and it's okay. I still like you. Things are fine with me. Your buddies are not above me nor am I above them or anyone else.

Let's add this up, you were BPR, right? Then you were Lily right? OK stay with me here, now you are patches right? Ok that's three, that threatening e-mail you sent me, remember that, that was from Irir, that's 4, still with me? All righty now, the last e-mail you sent me, the one where you wanted to make up and which I ignored like I wish I had ignored this too, was signed by someone else. Now I'm no math major but I think thats 5 ID's so far, Lord I think dollar only has 5 that we know of hey you're tied for #1, way to go. I was, and still am ticked off by your little threatening email you sent me, so here's the deal, I'll ignore you, you ignore me, and we'll call it a day, or a life, or whatever.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

I can't believe you would get so angry about the email I sent you. Don't worry I have a copy of it. FYI there is nothing threatening about it.

The names you spoke of everytime I would try and get in to post they would not work. It did not say I was banned anywhere. The same thing happened to Denise.

Denise is innocent, Muddle didn't tell me anything about Denise.

BTW you can't make me mad. I still like you. That is just the way I am. So, if you want to write hate filled posts go for it. It does not matter to me.

Lets try this again, say it with me I IGNORE you, you IGNORE me, and the world turns on and on. Believe it or not, I don't want to make you mad, I just want you to go away.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

If you all keep poking a stick at a snake, it will eventually bite you!

There is no humor there; there is no poetry there; there is no sense there; there is no satire there.

Leave it alone with it's free speech.

Leaving it alone is probably the safest route.

I can say the same thing about what you post, especially the sense and poetry things.

I yam what I yam....Popeye

"there was no reason she (Denise) should have done what she did."

With all of the other vocal Dem's and liberals on here, for her to have gone after muddle is still confusing. He never aligned himself with any political party that I could decifer and always presented himself as a "follower of Christ", so her intentions were just pure evil, as far as I'm concerned.

And bpr/patches intentions are the same - just to be mean. Her requests to meet people for coffee, is internet stalking in my opinion.

What did Denise do to Muddle? You tell me what she did?

Someone usually starts up a coffee meeting. That is not stalking.

Ever since I said I would like to meet you, you call it stalking.

Well, sweetie you asked about having one with the women on this site.
Were you stalking?

You are trying every way in the world to not meet me. I have been to the other ones and may still go.

You are so MAD that I know why you can't meet you. So, since that will blow your top off say something else evil to me.

Don't forget what did Denise do to Muddle?

For months now, you have tried to either "out" people or hurt them in some way on the blogs. I think people are just really tired and weary of your games and you should give it a rest. You have tried to share your input on here several times under several names and we can always tell it is you. That's not the issue. The issue is that you continue to be a nasty jerk on here and try to hurt people, either with words or insisting on meeting them for coffee while you have ulterior motives. Just knock it off, okay.

If you want to play here, fine. Just play nice and quit being a jerk. And just so you understand and stop asking - NO - I will never attempt to meet you in public, and most likely won't attend the coffee gatherings with others. What happened to muddle should be a lesson for all of us. My family and my well-being are too important for me to share with someone as disturbed as you, and Denise.

That whole deal with muddle showed me that there really are scary, creepy people on the internet that want to hurt others. I teach my own kids not to chat with creeps on the internet and I need to follow my own advice.

Any questions?

That was the most ridiculous post you have written yet.

BTW you can check my police record.

Is this the best you can give? I don't know what happened to Muddle.
As I told Hutch Denise fell and is in physical therapy for a while. I don't hear from her much. So,, you tell me what she did. I don't believe you if you don't. Did you have to put our name in a box and pull out one to blame Muddle's being fired on?

I play nice, you name calling is like a 4th grade kid. Really, is your life that bad? Jerk, I loved that movie, I think it's my favorite, well they could cut out the cuss words so kids could watch it.

Are you the police patrol on here now. Telling people who can post and who can't? Now, that is funny.

Questions? No, SWEETIE I have you figured out.

Answers: I know why you won't go to coffee meetings, I might show up and well you know the rest.

Denise is not disturbed, she just got the best of you and you could not handle her and the next thing I know she is banned. I also know why other side trax and beaver were banned. You just want to get to me with you nasty ways and words. Little do you know I can take alot off of people. People are valuable.

Any Questions?

What did Denise do to Muddle? I asked a question. Look forward to your response. You never answered the first time. If it's so bad why can't you answer it. If she is guilty you will tell me why. If you don't you are not being truthful.

bpr, you must have been banned too or you wouldn't need to come back on as patches, huh?
I used to like you and feel bad for you when people gave you a hard time, but now I just think you have serious issues.
There was a time when I really didn't like Main too much, but now I think she is more normal than you are. (How was that for a compliment, Main??LOL)

"There was a time when I really didn't like Main too much, but now I think she is more normal than you are. (How was that for a compliment, Main??LOL)"

Thanks!

"...and I need to follow my own advice."

You sure do. You need to say this to yourself Main Stream...

"you have tried to either "out" people or hurt them in some way on the blogs. I think people are just really tired and weary of your games and you should give it a rest."

And this you should be saying to yourself...

"The issue is that you continue to be a nasty jerk on here and try to hurt people, either with words or insisting on meeting them for coffee while you have ulterior motives. Just knock it off, okay."

Where's that mirror when you need one.

Denise, please crawl back under the evangelical rock from which you emerged. Your actions, at least in my mind, are UNFORGIVABLE! The negative impact you have had on a blogger and their family was absolutely undeserved and heartless. To even have the nerve to reincarnate yourself like the mentally unstable stalker BPR is pathetic and galling. Therapy may not be the answer, but it will be a heck of a start (assuming a therapist can stand an hour with you).

Kevin "Hack" King

When is the last time you used bold. 1 year and 45 weeks and still can't get it.

But you sure know the who the media darling and the most unqualified candidate for president is and you're drinking the kool-aid big time.

I bet this person Zigs is laughing so hard. I can tell you one thing it's not Denise nor myself.

I don't value what you say about me.

I know Denise is laughing, I just heard from her. Whoever Zigs is has done a good job.

Stop unburrying yourself. It's creepy; like a zombie or undead movie.

Kevin "Hack" King

Just ignore the mean people, they aren't worth your time.

Now lets get back to ranting about the criminals and politicians.

Out of curiosity, why do you pet these pets? You don't really see them as colleagues or cohorts or friends do you? Is it your paternalistic desire to make this girl feel good? Without trying to compliment you, your postings are typically at least reasoned-out and logical. Though we usually disagree, you generally garner respect. Why reward these two oddball sycophants?

I don't know why honestly. Although if you look at the time I posted, it was before more nastyness was typed. At first I felt sorry for whoever they are, because they seemed so bothered by people when they say mean things.

We all disagree to some extent, which can make it interesting. How boring it would be if we all agreed. I disagree often with people I still consider to be friends. We don't have to agree on everything, yet if they called me in middle of the night and needed something I would be there.

I think we get to caught up in he said/she said crap.

How about we ignore the lunatics too, they aren't worth our time either.

Hope you're doing ok.

Tug

I'm doing good. You are right life is too short for the meanies and the lunatics.

How are you doing? I hope everything is going your way. Looks like Jane1 is still on vacation. Lucky girl.

I'm glad you checked in. You cheered me up, and you help us all focus on what is important.

Have a good day.

From the Gulfcoast, yes I am still on vacation, and loving EVERY minute of it since we hit the beach! The literary pilgrimage we made was OK, toooooo much walking. Now that I am doing what I do best . . .I'm having a wonderful time! Be back Monday. No need to send me message yet, 'cuz this is a fluke that I'm on computer now. Catch you later!

Enjoy!!!!
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If you don't answer this question it's not true. So far your buddies haven't answered. That means it's not true.

What did Denise Conner do to you?

Simple answer if she did it to you. If I don't get a response it's NOT TRUE.

I assume I left my reply up long enough for you to read it.

Now can we move on?

You never put it up. You put up hints. Then your buddies started to email each other. You never put up what Denise did.

If you don't tell me that means it is not true. Simple as that. I went through the archives and it's not there. You never said anything about Denise.

If your going to accuse her of something you won't mind to share it.
If I don't get a response it's not true.

Lookin fer a law suit air ye?

If you don't get ANOTHER response it is because I think you are an unstable fruitcake who was banned from this site and therefore should not be asking me questions.

If you don't reply to this post it means you don't feel like it.

It's not in the archives. You did not say what she did. So, it's not true.

Denise Conner didn't do anything to make Muddle loose
his job.

It was another reason you lost his job. If your afraid to put it up.
There is nothing about her name that says that. So, that means she is innocent.

Irrefutable logic. “Your” not going to be able to win on this one.

...so if she weighs the same as a duck, then we know she's a witch.

Her philosophy, like color television, is all there in black and white.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you have heard six credible witnesses, each of whom testified that, on numerous occasions, they witnessed my client not killing anyone.

On the other hand, the prosecution has managed to present only three witnesses who allegedly witnessed my client killing the victim, and this was on only one occasion. So you see, ladies and gentlemen, the preponderance of testimony establishes my client's innocence! You must acquit!

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Oh By Jingo

I hope you and your wife are doing ok. Both of you are in my prayers.

Tug