Sheriff endorses Hannah, nixes Simmons

Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:41pm
By: John Munford

Fayette County’s long-time number one lawman has tapped his department’s number two man to succeed him.

The winner of the four-man race next week will replace retiring Sheriff Randall Johnson, who Monday endorsed Lt. Colonel Wayne Hannah as his replacement. Johnson has served for 31 years in the top post.

Hannah, who is director of the department’s traffic and training division, is facing two other members of the department: Barry Babb, the second in command of the field operations division, which includes the patrol unit, and Thomas Mindar, a specialist who works in the warrants division.

The fourth candidate is David Simmons, a retired police officer who served as deputy police chief in the Detroit Police Department and later was chief of public safety for Highland Park, Mich.

In his letter endorsing Hannah, Johnson said Hannah “is the single most qualified person to succeed me as sheriff of Fayette County.”

“He has the experience we need. He is a person who knows how to build a consensus and get the job done. He is a straight-forward person whose words and actions you can trust,” Johnson wrote.

Johnson noted that Hannah was already working for the sheriff’s department when he took office as sheriff nearly 32 years ago.

In an interview last week Johnson said he hoped Fayette voters won’t elect Dave Simmons, a retired police executive from Detroit who’s the only one of the four candidates not working for the sheriff’s department.

“We don’t need a senior citizen in office, somebody that’s over the hill and has been out of office for 13 years,” Johnson said, adding that Simmons will undoubtedly need more training to get up to speed on laws that have taken effect since he was last a police officer.

Johnson criticized the use of “scare tactics” in the election, taking specific umbrage with Simmons’ attempt to portray crime as being on the rise in Fayette County.

The truth is, Johnson said, Fayette’s crime is not any worse so far this year than in previous years.

According to statistics provided by the sheriff’s office, through June 24 of this year, unincorporated Fayette had 94 burglaries, which if the rate stays the same projects to 195 burglaries for the entire year, compared with 148 for all of last year.

The department also lists 189 thefts through that date, which projects to 393 thefts for the rest of the year, compared with 362 for all of 2007.

In 2006, the last year from which numbers are available from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, all of Fayette County reported 240 burglaries and 1,317 thefts.

Johnson points out that’s still a far cry from the four counties adjoining Fayette, each of whom has numbers at least double Fayette’s numbers.

Included in those are Coweta with 645 burglaries and 1,830 thefts; Spalding County with 666 burglaries and 2,118 thefts, Clayton County with 3,317 burglaries and 6,145 thefts and Fulton County with 13,228 burglaries and 34,218 thefts.

From 1996 through 2006, all of Fayette County, including the cities, has averaged 222 burglaries and 1,268 thefts a year, according to the statistics provided by the sheriff’s department, which came from data compiled by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation.

“We’ve always had thugs and thieves,” Johnson said, noting that criminals like to target secluded homes, for instance. “... One burglary is too many. One serious crime is too many. But we have done a pretty good job here, and I think the people like something we’re doing.”

For being a part of metro Atlanta, Fayette has avoided having much violent crime, Johnson said. While other agencies are “too busy” to handle violent crime, such cases have to be worked in detail and the criminals brought to justice, Johnson said.

Johnson pointed to the recent carjacking of a businessman in downtown Fayetteville. Although it took a three-hour manhunt, deputies were able to arrest one of the perpetrators at the scene, Johnson said.

The sheriff’s office had a large number of units at the scene because that’s what it takes, Johnson said.

“It took a couple of hours but we worked it and we finally got him,” Johnson said.

Simmons has campaigned saying Fayette County has a gang problem, but Johnson contends the sheriff’s department is on top of it, having worked on a committee with other area law enforcement agencies and the school board for several years to stay ahead of any problems.

Fayette’s real “gang problem” is from gangs that live in other counties who come here to commit crimes, Johnson said.

Johnson, who has clashed with Simmons’ views in a recent letter to the editor, said he took issue with Simmons early in the campaign after learning that Simmons was telling people he had the long-serving sheriff’s support. When Johnson’s friends asked him about it, he corrected them and told them he wasn’t supporting Simmons.

“I didn’t want him telling people that I supported him,” Johnson said.

Ultimately, the sheriff said, Simmons sent a letter threatening to sue Johnson for slander.

Simmons tells the story differently. Simmons said he never told anyone that Johnson was supporting him, and not only that but he heard from several people in the winter that other people were making similar claims.

Simmons said the letter to Johnson didn’t threaten a lawsuit, but it said the remarks being spread about him claiming to others that he had Johnson’s support were “libelous and slanderous.” Simmons indicated in the letter that he was aware he wasn’t being endorsed by Johnson, and he asked the sheriff to write him a letter saying those things weren’t said.

Simmons contends he never got a reply from Johnson.

Johnson said he understands part of the friction between him and Simmons comes from one of Simmons’ supporters, Greg Dunn, who routinely clashed with Johnson during the eight years Dunn served on the Fayette County Commission.

Ultimately Johnson used some of his political might to beat Dunn at the polls in 2006, and Dunn is running again this year, opposing incumbent Post 1 Commissioner Robert Horgan.

Johnson may have his problems with Dunn, but clearly there’s more behind his dispute with the way Simmons has run his campaign. Johnson says he is speaking out on the campaign because he is truly concerned about Fayette County’s future.

Johnson said he’s merely asking voters to “think things over and see if they want to vote for somebody that really doesn’t know anything” about the office.

Simmons said he has his suspicions about why Johnson might be nervous about him being elected, but he declined to elaborate on them. Simmons added that if he’s elected, when he takes office he’ll be “looking forward, not backward.”

“Randall Johnson is loved in Fayette County,” Simmons said. “I have no plans to burst that bubble.”

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Submitted by kikenbutt on Fri, 07/11/2008 - 12:20am.

Sheriff Randall letter and early endorsement really upset my whole being. I had such anger and mixed feelings that I just had to step back and digest. I dug deep inside for some meaning. My thoughts...

Mutiny has begun, through Simmons speaking the truth about rising crime, gangs, and statistics. As Simmons can speak the truth, he is not employed by the Mighty Sheriff, he can’t control him. Where as Babb and Mindar are caught between a rock and a hard place as they still work for Randall but know things are going south with crime. The only support he has is in Hannah who continues to purport that things are status quo as he understands he is the number 2 guy soon to be Randall’s number 1. He has control over 3 candidates. Yet Simmons is the problem.

My summation is that Randall had to put a stop to Simmons rising popularity with his people. Somehow discredit the man. People are questioning him. People want to know his truth, as the newspapers are substantiating Simmons claims. Randall’s kingdom is crumbling, all caused by the outsider, the northerner, the fear monger, Simmons. So, the Hannah endorsement is the answer. Babb and Mindar are sacrificed, all to destroy Simmons.

From what I can surmise, it is backfiring. His constituents’ are outraged, as this endorsement was too soon. They know the promise that was made and now broken.

What a shame that we have let this Sheriff have such a long reign. It is past time for changes. We need Simmons to implement his plans for stopping crime. Read his website and brochures. Call him or email him. Of course there are negative spins, but do your own research. Simmons is our hope before more of us call some place else HOME.

Please vote for Simmons July 15th!

Submitted by Spyglass on Fri, 07/11/2008 - 7:02am.

Other than that, not much to say...

Submitted by KCW56 on Fri, 07/11/2008 - 10:49am.

Pike county.

Submitted by Tom1939 on Fri, 07/11/2008 - 9:18am.

Can you figure this out for me? Watch this YouTube video clip at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3-at2ohrYE&feature=related

In this YouTube video clip Simmons discusses his executive history on the Detroit police department as holding the rank of Deputy Chief. And, also, the Chief of Staff for the Chief of Police. And, also, being in charge of the Crime Prevention Section. He would have been an Inspector while holding this position.

This question is this, what division of the Detroit Police Department did Simmons head at the much higher rank of Deputy Chief? He names and claims the rank but only talks about helping the Chief of police, Ike McKinnon handle his command. Then, Simmons talks about his duties at the lower rank of Inspector never mentioning his much higher and more important duties of the rank of Deputy Chief. Did Simmons ever serve as Deputy Chief after being appointed to the rank? The reason this might be important is because the "command officer" duties of Deputy Chief of Detroit police would have been much more impressive than the command officer duties of an Inspector of the section coordinating citizen patrols and making homeowner association presentations around pockets of Detroit not infected by crack houses.

Another issue, in the YouTube clip Simmons attempts to portray himself as a transplanted "good-ole boy" supported by the "chief good-ole boy" Sheriff Johnson "who has been a supporter of me." This seems to be an effort to borrow Sheriff Johnson's "juice", his standing in the community and apply it to himself so the audience would be more open to him.

Yet, Simmons in the above article says about Sheriff Johnson, "Simmons said he has his suspicions about why Johnson might be nervous about him being elected, but he declined to elaborate on them. Simmons added that if he’s elected, when he takes office he’ll be 'looking forward, not backward.'

Being a resident of Fayette County for years, how long has Simmons' known "this information" on Sheriff Johnson? Did Simmons know "this information" on Sheriff Johnson while he has making his presentation in the YouTube video saying that Sheriff Johnson was a "supporter of me?" Why would Simmons want to link himself to someone, something or some group of individuals he knew and felt was "questionable?" Would you, Spyglass, seek to publicly link yourself, while running for public office, to people if you had information were corrupt? Does that make sense? Or, is Simmons' attempting to use base gossip to benefit him?

'Randall Johnson is loved in Fayette County,” Simmons said. “I have no plans to burst that bubble.'"

In the YouTube video Simmons' during his public presentation takes time early in the talk to mention Sheriff Johnson and every "good-ole boy”, he could think of in an obvious attempt to link himself, Simmons, to them “good-ole boys.” Simmons has no problem being seen as one of the “good-ole boys” his campaign now suggests is a pocket of corruption.

In the above article it was reported, "Simmons sent a letter threatening to sue Johnson for slander" over Johnson complaining that Simmons was publicly attempting to linking himself and his run for sheriff to Sheriff Johnson, which occurred in the YouTube video clip. Then, Simmons in the above article makes this veiled attempt at character assassination of Sheriff Johnson, "Simmons said he has his suspicions about why Johnson might be nervous about him being elected, but he declined to elaborate on them." Isn't this public slander and libel on Simmons part toward Sheriff Johnson?

Simmons publicly attempted to link himself to Sheriff Johnson when it benefitted him ... then Simmons publicly slanders Sheriff Johnson when it benefits him. Simmons used Ike McKinnon when it benefited him ... then Simmons threw Ike McKinnon away when it seemed to benefit him. What else might Simmons do ... when it benefits him? Moreover, does this suggest something about Simmons' character and fitness to hold the office of Sheriff?

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 07/11/2008 - 9:41am.

In McKinnons own book written in 2001 "Stand Tall" McKinnon only refers to Simmons as Sgt. Simmons, never any rank above that.

Don't take my word for it. You can buy the book for 1 penny on Amazon .com.

So is "deputy commander thing just wishful thinking, or fudging a bit on a resume?

Submitted by Tom1939 on Mon, 07/14/2008 - 8:03am.

Skyspy, watch this YouTube video clip at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3-at2ohrYE&feature=related

In this YouTube video clip Simmons opens his "run for sheriff" announcement by reading the Democratic party platform on crime prevention to the audience, which he agrees with. Is Simmons running to implement the Democratic party's platform? Doesn't the Republican party have a platform or hasn't Simmons developed his own platform?

If Simmons agrees with, supports and advances the Democratic party platform why not run as a Democrat on that party's official platform. What might the fact that Fayette county is a Republican county have to do with running as a Republican while campaigning to advance the Democratic party's platform?

Again, back to an old issue, the main rationale for Simmons run for the sheriff's office is the thinly veiled suggestion of corruption in the FCSO only Simmons, being an outsider, can correct. In the YouTube video clip, I'm assuming from last November, 8 months ago, Simmons went out of his way to appear as an insider and good friend of Sheriff Johnson and everybody else in the sheriff's office, even Bruce Jordan. Did Simmons know about the corruption in the sheriff's office 8 months ago when he was linking himself to Sheriff Johnson?

Is this a display of raw opportunism? Why would Simmons and his campaign attempt to damage a man's good name, Sheriff Johnson, by the thinly veiled charge of official corruption if Simmons doesn't believe it as the YouTube video clip suggest he had no problems or issues with Sheriff Johnson's handling of the sheriff department?

Sheriff Johnson has openly stated his concerns over Simmons and his campaign style. Sheriff Johnson has owned his words like a man and is willing to take the heat like a man for stating his opinion of Simmons publicly. On the other hand, Simmons regularly hints at the thinly veiled claim of "suspicions about why Johnson might be nervous about him being elected, but he declined to elaborate on them" then slips away, back into the dark saying, "I have no plans to burst that bubble," which suggest Simmons has information that could burst that bubble.

Simmons never makes a claim or charge against Sheriff Johnson allowing the sheriff the chance to defend himself. In doing this, Simmons attempts to damage Sheriff Johnson's good name and legacy, while Simmons' suggest he will cover-up wrong doing to protect the good name and legacy of Sheriff Johnson. Is this what a law enforcement officer is sworn to do? Cover things up for his "good-ole boy?"

Is the constant "beating around the bush of corruption" in the FCSO a cheap and dishonest political campaign ploy? Especially when no evidence to validate the corruption claim is never offered. If so, should this behavior and dishonesty be considered conduct unbecoming of a law enforcement officer?

Submitted by yada yada yada on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 10:23pm.

is a relic of the past. And so is his hand picked successor, Hannah. I have lost all respect for Randall. He is going out like a bomb. No grace. It is really sad. He has outlived his day and gone senile. Talk about senior citizens - he is one. And acting like an old bigot. He is hiding his head in the sand saying we don't have crime or gangs. Both are greatly increasing. The gangs may even come from other places - but that doesn't stop the crime they committ.

Submitted by leonardtucker on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 9:43pm.

Our Sheriff Johnson is quoted in the Citizen:
“'We don’t need a senior citizen in office, somebody that’s over the hill and has been out of office for 13 years,' Johnson said..."
I, for one, take offense, and I am sure many other "senior citizens" do as well, being referred to as OVER THE HILL and insinuating that someone that is 62 years old is too old for his job. (Isn't Sheriff Johnson himself older than Mr. Simmons by at least 5 or 6 years?) And WHY should AGE matter??? WHY would he make an insensitive statement like that? This sounds like age prejudice to me, and by a leading member of our community who is now publicly supporting Wayne Hannah. What century are you living in, Mr. Johnson? Does Mr. Hannah share Sheriff Johnson's views on older people as well? I for one would like an answer to that question. After all, if you are supporting someone it usually means you share the same ideals as they do. Mr. Simmons deserves an apology, Sheriff, and maybe we "over the hill senior citizens" do, too.

Submitted by Abby on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 2:02pm.

I have spent the majority of my day seeking out deputies to gain some insight on the Sheriff's race and this is what I have come up with.
Randall is losing the respect of his department in the last month's of his last term. While I have found a couple of Hannah supporters, the majority seems to be backing Babb. The common answer is that the men and women respect Babb and do not trust Hannah's intentions.
I will not go into particulars about Hannah because I don't want to be banned as was wannabeme2. I will simply say that voters should speek with those in the know and see what light is shed.
Those I spoke with say that they have lost respect for their Sheriff in the recent months for various reasons, most recently because of his broken word to three candidates who had his promise that he would support each one equally.
I also understand that it is true that a certain Captain/blogger and active Hannah supporter has in fact threatened one of his subordinates with disiplinary action for being seen at the Babb float site. Even the Hannah supporters that I spoke with had nothing bad to say about Babb.
Remember when you go to the poles that the sheriff oversees the department, he is not the one who protects us citizens, That comes from the men and women under him, so in my opinion they should have a voice in how we vote. Babb must be worthy if these people are so willing to stick their necks out to support him openly.

My vote is for Babb, I hope yours is to.

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Submitted by ptcmom34 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 9:36pm.

I also understand that it is true that a certain Captain/blogger and active Hannah supporter has in fact threatened one of his subordinates with disciplinary action for being seen at the Babb float site. Even the Hannah supporters that I spoke with had nothing bad to say about Babb.

DO WE REALLY WANT A SHERRIF THAT BULLIES HIS VERY OWN LAW INFORCEMENT OFFICERS? AGAIN, HOW VERY DEMOCRATIC OF HIM. WAYNE HANNAH IS ASKING FOR RESPECT, IT DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY, YOU MUST EARN IT, AND BARRY BABB HAS EARNED THE RESPECT OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND OUR COMMUNITY.

Remember when you go to the poles that the sheriff oversees the department, he is not the one who protects us citizens, That comes from the men and women under him, so in my opinion they should have a voice in how we vote. Babb must be worthy if these people are so willing to stick their necks out to support him openly.
AMEN!!!

My vote is for Babb, I hope yours is to.

OBVIOUSLY MY VOTE IS FOR BARRY BABB, HE IS THE ONLY ONE I WOULD EVEN CONSIDER.


Submitted by TruthWarrior on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 5:08pm.

Let me start by saying I am a deputy that works in Capt. Babb's division. I only tell you that because it seems to me that anytime someone supports Hannah on a blog one of Babb's supporter's tags them as a traffic officer. Grits has even indicated that all traffic officers are crooked. I suppose thats because Babb's supporter's think that their is no way everyone in traffic could be supporting Hannah without being crooked. I'm amazed at the thinking of some people.
I have heard with my own ears as Capt. Babb remarked about a traffic officer " I wish I had a division full of guys like him". So obviously Capt. Babb respects the traffic officers. In fact I know he does. I also beleive that most of them respect Capt. Babb.
Most of the officer's at the Sheriff's Office are neutral. they are willing to accept either Hannah or Babb. I will agree that most of the vocal officer's support Babb. their are a couple of reasons for that.
Most officer's that openly support Babb do so because they know that Hannah is not vindictive. If Babb does not win, Hannah will not seek recourse against them. It's not Hannah's nature to hold grudges.
Hannah supporters are leary of openly supporting Babb. They are afraid that if Capt. Babb is elected he will show favortism to those that supported him and give the non supporters the bottom of the barrel. Considering the past they are probably right.
My assessment is that the most vocal Babb supporters worry that if Hannah is elected they will be required to do there job more professionalty. That is one reason some officer's say they will leave if Hannah becomes Sheriff. Some people would rather quit than move to a higher standard. But let me say again most officers are neutral.
All of us will be glad when this race is over and we can get on with our lives serving the citizen of Fayette County.
The only people who have lost respect for Sheriff Johnson are the ones who think that only Capt. Babb can lead us into the future.
I support Hannah because I believe he is most fair and a better leader and manager. I feel that he will serve the citizens of this county best and continue to move the department forward. It's ashame that I can't put my name on this blog for fear of being shunned by my fellow officers that are Babb supporters.

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Submitted by ptcmom34 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 2:55pm.

.....not many people take the time to do the research or give this issue the seriousness it deserves. I respect for all who does their own homework regarding the candidates. We all need to make an informed decision here. I am a Babb supporter, and believe he is by far the best man for Sheriff. But bless the hearts who have NOT done the research and vote based on an "endorsement" or rumors.
Facts are facts, and don't underestimate your gut feeling!

~*~VOTE BARRY BABB~*~


Submitted by Abby on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 1:51am.

I heard that Babb had dinner at the longbranch restaurant where he was surrounded by at least 30 or more supporters, many of which were sheriff's dept. employees while Hannah sat alone with his wife and Sheriff Johnson. Can anyone confirm this? It would definantly indicate that the majority of the so supports Babb.
I have also heard that one of Hannah's traffic units stopped by to visit with fellow deputies at another deputies home while they were decorating Babb's float for the parade and that the same deputy is now being threatened with disiplinary action. Is this true? if so it definantly is cause for concern.

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Submitted by ptcmom34 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 6:17am.

I know many of the Sheriff Dept staff support Barry Babb, which, to me, speaks volumes. Our Fayette County Sheriffs office is staffed with some of the best, most respected law enforcement individuals in this state.
There are many "shady" people surrounding Sheriff Johnson (which now surround Wayne Hannah).
My dad always told me that "if you have to TELL people how much money you have, then you don't' have a dime to your name, but if you SHOW it, then you are worth millions". That goes for integrity and ethics as well. I think Barry Babb is a master in this profession, loves this community, and has more integrity and fair work/life ethic that one could want for Sheriff.

Also, do not disregard the fact that, in an open forum, Wayne Hannah verbalized his direct intention to break Georgia State Law, by keeping his wife on staff. If he is willing to break State Law with no regard or respect, then what else would he do that the community may never know about??

W. Hannah, Strike ONE for ethics and integrity!


Submitted by yada yada yada on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 10:42pm.

I read where he went to some man's house and got in his face because he wrote a letter to the editor about Simmons signs going missing. I bet he throws his weight around in the department. His education level and manner of speaking is similar to Randall's. Both good ole boys. In this day, we don't need another good ole boy. In fact Hannah will not be as good as Johnson was before his recent decline. By the way, Dunn and Wells were right about the Sheriff.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 8:22am.

You wrote, "Wayne Hannah verbalized his direct intention to break Georgia State Law, by keeping his wife on staff."

The actual Georgia Code states:

As per Lexis-Nexis

TITLE 45. PUBLIC OFFICERS AND EMPLOYEES
CHAPTER 10. CODES OF ETHICS AND CONFLICTS OF INTEREST
ARTICLE 2. CONFLICTS OF INTEREST
PART 5. FAMILY MEMBERS OF PUBLIC EMPLOYEES

O.C.G.A. § 45-10-80 (2007)

§ 45-10-80. Public officers prohibited from advancing, employing, or advocating the employment of family members

(a) A public officer, as defined in subparagraphs (A) through (E) of paragraph (22) of Code Section 21-5-3, is prohibited from advocating for or causing the advancement, appointment, employment, promotion, or transfer of a member of his or her family, as such term is defined in Code Section 21-5-3, to an office or position to become a public employee, as defined in paragraph (3) of subsection (a) of Code Section 45-1-4, that pays an annual salary of $10,000.00 or more or its equivalent.

(b) Any person advanced, appointed, employed, promoted, or transferred in violation of this Code section shall not be entitled to any payment, salary, or benefits received for any position so illegally obtained; and any person who receives payment, salary, or benefits for a position obtained in violation of this Code section shall be required to reimburse the state for all amounts so received.

TITLE 21. ELECTIONS
CHAPTER 5. ETHICS IN GOVERNMENT
ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

O.C.G.A. § 21-5-3 (2007)

(22) "Public officer" means:
(A) Every constitutional officer;

(B) Every elected state official;

(C) The executive head of every state department or agency, whether elected or appointed;

(D) Each member of the General Assembly;

(E) The executive director of each state board, commission, or authority and the members thereof;

(F) Every elected county official and every elected member of a local board of education; and

(G) Every elected municipal official.

Please note:

(F) and (G) are expressly EXCLUDED.

Can Mr. Hannah and the rest of us expect an apology from you now?


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Submitted by ptcmom34 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 12:24pm.

Subsection E is elected by the County and you are absolutely right. However, the Sheriff serves a FOUR year term, which by definition makes him a CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER. (subsection A)
So, contrary to your views/opinions, TWO subsections actually apply to the Sheriff.
I respect the fact that you are a Wayne Hannah supporter, but the facts are the facts, and the LAW is certainly the law. Can you possibly be a little open minded that the man you are supporting may have spoke without really thinking (typical of a DEMOCRAT..hmph. Or are you so close minded, that for one second, you can't see the big picture here of what is really going on. Think about it over dinner tonight.
Also, thank you for posting the law for our viewing pleasure. well done.

I've been in this county long enough, and have been active in the election of officials to know when I smell a rat, well maybe rat is too harsh. Perhaps, questionable duck-bill platypus.

Some respective members of the community question Wayne Hannah's loyalty to the Republican party. But of course, that topic is for another forum.

I respect the fact that you have strong loyalty to your candidate, as do I. I will not apologize.

And thank you for reading and responding. The community should be well aware, and have full disclosure, to make an informed decision at the polls!


Submitted by yada yada yada on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 10:46pm.

The sheriff is a constitutional officer by virtue of the fact that the office was created by the Constitution of the State of Georgia.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 1:29pm.

I honestly haven't made up my mind, for any race, yet.

What gives me heartburn is when supporters of any candidate tries to distort the facts about another candidate.

Please referance the specific GA code you are refering to for a "CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER".


Submitted by McGerkin88 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 12:34pm.

My head is really scratching on this one. Would you copy and paste that section so I can get my simple mind wrapped around this? That is the part (subsection A) that you are speaking about.

Thanks for that.

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Submitted by ptcmom34 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 1:53pm.

First of, do not mistake a "simple mind" to a "closed mind". I do not mean any disrespect in that. There are brilliant men who are extremely closed minded, they are not "simpleminded". I'm assuming in your context, that "Simple minded" meaning : devoid of subtlety : unsophisticated; also : foolish. ..... I do not mean that.
I DID detect the sarcasm. Nice. I love sarcasm.
I'm getting off topic.

Also, The law has been posted on the reply in this topic, and cited as well. Please do your own homework. Again, no disrespect in this either. Don't be so sensitive, just vote for Barry Babb!


Submitted by McGerkin88 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 3:33pm.

thought you could expound a little further on a very tough code to muddle through. I've spent some time on this before asking for your help btw.

(a) A public officer, as defined in subparagraphs (A) through (E) of paragraph (22) of Code Section 21-5-3, is prohibited from advocating for or causing the advancement, appointment, employment, promotion, or transfer of a member of his or her family, as such term is defined in Code Section 21-5-3, to an office or position to become a public employee, as defined in paragraph
The sheriff is under its own constitutional officer environment. However, this code specifically states employment. The kicker is that Mrs. Hannah was already employed. AND her position is not directly under the supervision of the sheriff. So, my question to you was, is this the section A of which you reference?
Pardon me for seeking help to further my research from one who states that they also do. You posted it so I thought you would know.

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Submitted by ptcmom34 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 9:27pm.

This code section does not make an exception for Mrs Hannah already being employed by the Sheriffs office, that should have been addressed when Wayne Hannah decided to run for Sheriff. As a politician, he should have known this would be an issue, and he knows good and well, that ALL Sheriff's Office employees report to the Sheriff, hence "Employees of the Sheriff's office".
Wayne Hannah has known this all along. And if for some reason, he was NOT aware of this code section, then why would we elect someone who is not familiar to the State Laws that would effect him? Either way, it is VERY questionable.

Yes, being a Constitutional Officer also gives the Sheriff State-Wide jurisdiction. As far as Mrs Hannah not reporting to "The Sheriff", Again, ALL Sheriff employees report to the Sheriff. The word "directly" does not exist in this code section.

I'm really not trying to be so confrontational, but, as I have been saying, facts are facts and the law is the law.


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 7:27am.

Ga State Law, and a broken gentlemans agreement.

I don't like the looks of it at all. As I have said before if you are an officer of the law you need to be 110% above reproach if you want to enforce the law effectively.

Barry Babb is the only one I have not been able to find any dirt on. Believe me I have been looking and checking on all of the candidates. Babb is the only one who has taken the high road.

I have heard that if he is not elected we will lose many deputies. We can't afford that. All of our law enforcement agencies are very short-handed on the south side of Atlanta because of low pay here.

Let's vote for positive change: Vote Babb

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Submitted by ptcmom34 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 2:24pm.

*re: skyspy comment about losing deputies if Hannah is elected*
That is absolutely true, we will lose MORE than deputies if Wayne Hannah is elected. And you are right, we can not afford that. Plus, as I said in another post, our Sheriffs office is staffed with some of the best in this state, qualifications on a federal level, but stay local to protect Fayette Co. That is something we all MUST take into consideration. We don't know exactly WHY they are so opposed to Hannah, but I trust they have more than good enough reasons.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 8:33am.

Look up one post and also grits just ASSumed


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 8:38am.

I'm wrong on GA state law, thanks for doing the research.

But I don't like the looks of the other one.

I think Hannah and Babb will be in a runoff, may the best man win.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 8:59am.

May the best man win.


Tug13's picture
Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 12:09pm.

I wish Thomas Mindar had more experience, I like him and thought he did a good job at the Sams forum. I believe Barry Babb will be a great Sheriff and has a better chance against Wayne Hannah. I have a few more days to think about this one. For reasons of my own, I have lost some respect for Randall re the Sheriff's race.

I wish somebody had stepped up and ran against Lynn Westmoreland and Ronnie Chance!

I wish I could vote for Connie Biemiller! But.. I have to vote the Republican ticket because of the Sheriff's race.

Some of you can cuss me out now, won't do you any good though. Smiling


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Submitted by ptcmom34 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 2:18pm.

I like you. You are straight up. People will cuss us, and as you said, won't do any good.


Tug13's picture
Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 2:28pm.

Thanks. Smiling
I just hope people will do the research and vote for the best person. Don't vote because somebody endorses them.

Some of these people can cuss and pitch a fit if you happen to disagree with them. I don't care, doesn't bother me.


Submitted by McGerkin88 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 12:29pm.

with the support of Babb in the SO you would think Babb would win over Hannah. But, unfortunately, in the real world with regular citizens voting, between Hannah and Babb, Hannah is the anointed one. So, with citizens voting, my prediction should there a runoff, it will be between Hannah and Simmons.

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Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 2:13pm.

That may be true. In my world, I am a regular citizen. Like Sky, I have done my research.

McGerkin, may I ask who anointed Wayne Hannah besides Randall?

Runoff.. Barry Babb and Wayne Hannah.

Respectfully
Tug Smiling

P.S. Barry Babb wins. Smiling


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 12:27pm.

I don't think anyone could ever be upset with you. I hope everything is going your way. Have you noticed how everyone cheers up when you are on here?? I have noticed. Thank you.

I agree I think Babb will be a great Sheriff. The worst thing anyone has said about him so far is that he is "too Christain". I'll take it.

Tug13's picture
Submitted by Tug13 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 2:03pm.

Thanks! Love you back! Smiling Like you, I have done my research.


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Submitted by ptcmom34 on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 9:27pm.

It seems as though every time Sheriff Johnson tries to strategically put "his man" in place, there is a Fox 5 EyeTeam Investigation.
Today's Topic: Isn't against Georgia State Law for a county elected official to employ a spouse?
Stay tuned to Fox 5 at 10pm as Dale Russell reports on Fayette County Good ol Boys "just do what you want" method, with no regard to State Law.
Ga State laws are merely a suggestion (per Fayette county)

P.S. I may be a little dizzy, but doesn't FREE SPEECH run both ways here.

cc: Dale Russell, Fox 5 Atlanta


Submitted by Abby on Fri, 07/11/2008 - 12:13am.

Mom,
I've been watching the news, obviously your in the know, so when can we expect to see this story? I hope it's soon so the voters will know the truth.

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Submitted by Cal Beverly on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 7:41pm.

WARNING to all sheriff’s race posters

The sheriff of this site is warning you to check your personal attacks at the county line.

Political speech has wide latitude, but some of you posters are crossing way beyond the line of taste and fair comment.

Cut the purely personal attacks or get off the site.

Any further rantings about private persons will get you banned.

Cal Beverly
publisher
The Citizen
Fayetteville, Ga.


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Submitted by buZZard on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 8:33pm.

What took so long?
After eight months of bashing candidates you now make a stand!!??


Submitted by williammuddy on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 4:41pm.

Thank you for all that you have done to keep our county safe. We will surely miss you. Sheriff Johnson I hope you enjoy your retirement. It is well deserved. Mr. Hannah I wish you luck in the election. My research and gut feelings (Grits Helped!) tell me that you are the best candidate for the job. You will have big shoes to feel.

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Submitted by mapleleaf on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 9:27am.

We had a big dispute about county marshals two years ago. What the sheriff feared, it seemed, was our having a county police force which would take over law enforcement in the unincorporated area of Fayette County, leaving the sheriff with just court and jail duties.

The court and jail work is a countywide responsibility. All county taxpayers should pay for that and be entitled to vote for the person in charge.

But law enforcement in the unincorporated area of the county should be paid for by the people who live in the unincorporated area, and they should be the only ones voting for their chief law enforcement officer if there is to be a vote.

One question all the sheriff candidates should have been asked is whether they would cooperate if the commissioners decided to have a real county police force separate from the sheriff’s office.


Submitted by boo boo on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 2:42am.

Why don't we become the first County in Georgia not to have a Sheriff's Department. After reading all these comments I don't think any of them are deserving of this position. We should just hire a professional Police Force...Good Grief
There is something, I have always wanted to ask the Sheriff's of all the Counties in Georgia. Why won't all of you be forthcoming on what you do with the drug monies you receive? I believe if you are all as honest as you say you are why won't you all be forthcoming with that information. We who pay your salaries want to know.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 8:18am.

That doesn't seem to be working too well in Clayton or DeKalb. They have at least one or two murders a day in those counties and many armed robberies and home invasions.

Also as for the drug money confiscated have you seen the helicopter and the mobil SWAT command center? That is where some of it went. Also the spent some of it on additional computer technology so they wouldn't have to send every case to the GBI for help. It speeds up the process when they can solve most of the cases here.

Submitted by intheknow on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 12:30pm.

You do realize that probably one of the biggest reasons there are only five "county police departments" in the entire state of Georgia, is the wasted tax dollars in duplication of services. This by having two department heads, and doubling other positions like assistants, deputies / officers, office staffs, facilities, etc... and in some ridiculous instances even both having units out on patrol (i.e. Clayton County Sheriff Deputies and Police patrolling the same area's). You would probably be one of the first morons complaining about your exorbitant tax bill increases if such occurred - Think before typing!

Submitted by McGerkin88 on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 8:20am.

“Simmons has campaigned saying Fayette County has a gang problem, but Johnson contends the sheriff’s department is on top of it having worked on a committee with other area law enforcement agencies and the school board for several years to stay ahead of any problems.”

We need more than committee’s!!!! Ok, now lets see here. Randall says he’s on top of it. Yet, we have a Kosovo Gang incident that almost killed a youth. There are confirmed gangs in our FC schools. How are you on top of it? What was the SO doing about this gang in particular?

Again, how are you on top of it and staying ahead, when you won’t admit there is a “gang problem”?

Submitted by drewpdawg on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 10:15am.

McGerkin88, if you had any idea about anything related to law enforcement jurisdiction you would know that the Fayette County SO had no part in this Kosovo gang incident. It apparently occurred in the cities of Fayetteville and Peachtree City who handle their own law enforcement matters! So, why would Randall need to be on top of it? It is more a question you should be asking of officials with the City of Fayetteville and Peachtree City!! But, instead you just want to jump on Randall and throw mud that makes people think this had anything to do with the FCSO. Sounds like you should be directing your gang problem questions to them and asking them to "admit the problem!"

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Submitted by MajorMike on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 8:19am.

Up until the "baseball trip" scandal and the falling out that the general public doesn't know about, Bruce Jordan was heir apparent (and second in command). It is a generally accepted opinion that Jordan should have been fired for numerous transgressions over the last 20+ years yet it took the war with the County Commission to "get him gone".

We're now expected to accept Randall Johnson's recommendation to make his new "second in command" the new Sheriff? Mr. Hannah may or may not be a capable candidate but the recommendation comes tainted. Randall Johnson would have served the County better to stay out of it at this point.

Mindar was the only candidate espousing (desperately needed) change in the department but he seems to have wussed out and accepted inevitable defeat. We sure don't need a wuss in that office. Babb is reported to be a "bible thumper" and Simmons is well, let's not go there.

As of this moment, a write in vote of "Mickey Mouse" is probably still the best choice.


Submitted by yada yada yada on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 10:57pm.

In fact all five county commissioners voted to sue the Sheriff AFTER the Sheriff sued the county. It was not just Wells and Dunn. I bet they know plenty about the Sheriffs Dept.

Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 10:47am.

No. No. No, not Mickey!
Vote fer Sage by writ-in.

I will sarve ifn eelected---Mickey wont.

Bruce will hep me, Im shore! I no him.

I saw this hyar comin, I did, and I got in!

Ya want someone smart in thar.
VOTE FER SAGE!

Submitted by McGerkin88 on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 8:51am.

I was with ya up until the "Mickey Mouse" statement. "Tainted," its down right unethical but so typical for the "good ole boy" system thats been in place here for so many years. In my humble opinion, voting for Mickey won't do us the justice we so desperately need today. Sometimes we have to suck it up and vote for "not the candidate of choice" but for the most qualified candidate who is for FC "better good". It is not Mickey!

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Submitted by MajorMike on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 1:35pm.

McGerkin88 - I understand your concerns, but....... I am having a seriously hard time with this one. I take my right to vote very seriously yet suddenly I am faced with a race in which I can see no acceptable candidate. If I were "hiring" for that position, none of the four would survive the first cut.

Historically I have been opposed to the County Police Force concept since it plays political power games with law enforcement, but I am now forced to ponder the question: "is the current situation any better?".

Voting for Mickey Mouse (or Sage) may not be productive but it does make a needed statement.

_______________________________________________________________

"When civilized man can no longer stand the horror of war and refuses to fight, then he will surely be killed or enslaved by the uncivilized who can." Author Unknown


Submitted by McGerkin88 on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 7:41am.

little confused by Randall’s statement of stats. Isn’t 195 burglaries more than 148? Isn’t 393 thefts more than 362? He really can’t be denying the fact that crime is on the rise, can he?

Randall, why don’t you have crime stats that are more current than 2006? Big indication to me, that you didn’t & don’t care to have your own crime analysis committee all these years. WHY?

Me thinks’ ye look very foolish.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 7:47am.

McGerkin88, you should re-read the information. The stats from 2006 were gathered by the Citizen staff from the GBI, not the FCSO. The most current stats the GBI has on their website for Fayette County and all GA counties are only current up to 2006!

The other numbers are larger than last year's reported numbers but if you would also re-read the article, they are projected numbers based on the pace that has already occurred. Certainly, if we were to experience that number, then yes, it would mean an increase. But that has not happened yet, so how is Randall misleading you?

Submitted by Bravo Sierra on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:47pm.

leaving his legacy in good hands. Mr. Hanna will have mighty big shoes to fill but he is up to the task. Go gettem Wayne!

Submitted by drewpdawg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:01pm.

I wonder if the David L. Simmons registered with the GA Secretary of State as a Private Detective and Classroom Instructor/Trainer is the same one running for Sheriff? Anyone?

https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification

Also, if Simmons owns his own private security consulting company, why is it not registered with the GA Secretary of State's Office like all private security companies with professional licensure? Does a private security company that is only "consulting" other companies not have to register?

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:36pm.

I'll go out on a limb and say maybe he can't get licensed.

What do I win??

Submitted by drewpdawg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:46pm.

Sky, I will say you have won a dollar since you spent your hard earned money buying McKinnon's book!! Spent more on shipping than what the book was worth, huh!!

I was just doing some checking on the SEC of STATE's site and noticed the listing for a David L. Simmons. The security companies in ATL that the name was registered under I can't make contact with because the phone number listed is out-of-service. I am unable to verify if a security "consulting" company has to be registered, but I would think it should apply, personally.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:51pm.

"Simmons tells the story differently. Simmons said he never told anyone that Johnson was supporting him, and not only that but he heard from several people in the winter that other people were making similar claims."

So, Simmons talks out both sides of his mouth. Watch the attached link for video proof that Simmons, in fact, tells those attending a forum that Randall Johnson "is my friend" and "he (Johnson) supports me."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3-at2ohrYE&feature=related

Submitted by somethingtoday on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:14pm.

You really need to listen to this again. Mr. Simmons states that Randall HAS been a supporter not that he is supporting him in running for sheriff. They attend the same church and he did support Mr. Simmons when he ran for county commissioner.

By the way --- did anyone notice we had another gang arrest in PTC? Guess Randall will continue to keep his head in the sand all the way out the door.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:23pm.

Well, I have listened again and stand corrected that Simmons does indeed say that Randall "has been a supporter." Now, let's see if that still applies to Simmons comments in the above article where he says he has never told anyone that Randall supports him. This article and this video were both written and made after Simmons failed attempt at county office before. Now, why would he throw out a comment to a bunch of citizens like "Randall is my friend and has been a supporter" if he didn't want people to think that Randall is backing him in some way, shape, or form?

Also, for all of the critics of the current Sheriff. Did you also hear who Simmons claimed to be his friend in this video? That's it....former Lt. Col. Bruce Jordan, himself. Now does Simmons refer to these folks as friends like he referred to former Detroit Chief Ike McKinnon as friend?

Submitted by somethingtoday on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:30pm.

My point is that Simmons did not and has not stated that Randall supported him in running for sheriff. When this was made Simmons did think of him as a friend and did have his support in the past. I am just amazed that Randall would make such negative comments. Why didn't he take the high road and state he supports Hannah and be done?

Submitted by drewpdawg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:39pm.

If he didn't want people to think it, why would he have mentioned it in the first place? And of all places, at a forum where he announced his candidacy for Sheriff!!! If Randall did support him in the race for commissioner, that was years ago. We are talking about now. This video is not from the days of the commission race. If he had his support in the past, when did he last sit down with Randall and say, "Hey, good friend, I think I will run for your job. Will you support me? He didn't. He just knows he wouldn't have a snowball chance if he went out criticizing Randall so he tries to twist his own words to suit the ears of Fayette Citizens!

Submitted by KCW56 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:54pm.

you are really becoming a ranter. It doesn't become you. Maybe this is something you will never understand.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:58pm.

What is wrong with someone searching for truth, KCW56? You critique it as "ranting" or "sliming." I knew what Simmons was doing when I first saw the video of him claiming Randall as his friend and supporter. I also thought this article was interesting and Simmons own comments deny what he specifically stated himself in video evidence!! Why, if the evidence is out there shouldn't someone point it out?

Submitted by KCW56 on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 12:07am.

its your opinion and clouded perception.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 12:15am.

It is my opinion, you are exactly right. So in this type of setting, are people not entiteld to their own opinions? Are people not entitled to go to the polls and make choices based off of their own opinions? I have never criticized you or any other Simmons supporter for your opinion! I merely ask you questions why you bash someone like Sheriff Johnson who your own candidate calls "friend" and claims the Sheriff has done a fine job in the past.

Sorry if you don't like that, I can't help but form my own opinions based on my own knowledge and research and not adapt yours to my own!!

Submitted by KCW56 on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 12:34am.

"So in this type of setting, are people not entiteld to their own opinions?" Absolutely, I encourage freedom of speech. Here is your first attempt tonight to set the negative innuendo's on Simmons. "So, Simmons talks out both sides of his mouth. Watch the attached link for video proof that Simmons, in fact, tells those attending a forum that Randall Johnson "is my friend" and "he (Johnson) supports me." And you were corrected.

"Are people not entitled to go to the polls and make choices based off of their own opinions?" Hopefully and their research are not based on unfounded facts, like so many on this site are.

"I merely ask you questions why you bash someone like Sheriff Johnson who your own candidate calls "friend" and claims the Sheriff has done a fine job in the past." I think I substantiated that comment.

"Sorry if you don't like that, I can't help but form my own opinions based on my own knowledge and research and not adapt yours to my own!!" I would enjoy debating intelligently with facts, but I haven't seen anything like that tonight from you. You've been corrected once already on your so called research. Unfortunately, this site promotes negative spins and negative innuendo's.

Now Dawgp...I'm going to bed....GOODNIGHT!

Submitted by drewpdawg on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 12:46am.

I stood corrected on the comment about whether Simmons claimed in the video that he "had" rather than "has" the support of Randall.

However, like I still say, why would Simmons have even mentioned the word support,friend, and Randall in the same sentence unless he was trying to make people think that Randall, in fact is a supporter now. Why would telling folks at a forum for the Sheriff's race that Randall "supported" Simmons in the past (as you claim) be relevant?

Pointing out that Simmons talks out both sides of his mouth is merely stating the obvious. Especially since in the above article, he claims he has "never" claimed support from Johnson.

Then let's debate intelligently the facts. Come on, don't go away now! Prove one unfounded fact that was mentioned on this site tonight. Or, should we refer to your comments criticizing Randall and claiming he is "scared?" Some of your own "negative spins and innuendos" or was it "sliming" a lesser man than Simmons you claimed you were doing?

Submitted by KCW56 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:03pm.

Listen to it again. What Simmons is saying is that Johnson has been a supporter of me. And, he went on to say that Hannah, Babb etc are friends. Remember, Simmons ran for office before and Randall Johnson DID SUPPORT SIMMONS. The air changed when Simmons announced his candidacy for FC Sheriff. Simmons has always maintained through out this race that Randall was a great sheriff. Then Randall got scared.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:12pm.

One question for you also KCW. If even Simmons in almost every forum mentions the great job Randall Johnson has done for Fayette County, then why do supporters like you rave on how badly Randall has been? Do you know something Simmons doesn't know?

Submitted by KCW56 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:36pm.

it is because of the negative comments and negative spins on this site about a good man. I hate crime and the denial of crime, gang etc happening today. Times have changed. We need to make changes, fast.

Simmons has class and has very high morals. I have gotten to know both he and his wife pretty good. They both hoped for a positive campaign. But, I can slime with the rest of you. I have lived in FC a very, very, very long time. I know Randall and know several law enforcers. I see them come and go.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:54pm.

So, Randall is lesser of a man than Dave Simmons? You openly criticize Randall, but when someone mentions something of question about your character that no one can account for, you get defensive!! Again, why if even Simmons openly praises Randall, do you feel you need to "slime" a good man?

Submitted by KCW56 on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 12:03am.

"So, Randall is lesser of a man than Dave Simmons?" After some of his comments, yes, I believe Randall has less class then Dave Simmons.

"You openly criticize Randall, but when someone mentions something of question about your character that no one can account for, you get defensive!!" Don't think I was, just being honest.

"Again, why if even Simmons openly praises Randall, do you feel you need to "slime" a good man?" Because you are as well as Sky, especially tonight. Tic for Tac you might say.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 12:11am.

So bringing up a video where your candidate openly claims to be friends with Sheriff Johnson and having his support (whether now or in the past) is "sliming?" I don't believe I have ever openly criticized Dave Simmons for anything but merely questioned his claim to be the "most qualified candidate" and asked questions about his history.

I think the world of politics is full of people claiming things to get elected. It is up to folks to check into claims and verify what it is they are being sold before buying!! A good salesman can look you in the eye and sell you a load of horse manure and even convince you it tastes good if he knows what he is doing! I ain't buying!

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:10pm.

He never supported simmons. Simmons lost the commission race by a large margin if I remember correctly.

He has bad mouthed the Sheriff from day one of this race. Which was incredibly foolish. Randall has been one of the most popular Sheriffs in this state. The only other long time/long term Sheriff in the area that is this popular is Sheriff Gene Pope in Butts County.

Submitted by yada yada yada on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 11:09pm.

Randall did support Simmons for County Commissioner four years ago. Simmons has never bad mouthed Randall. Simmons has not critized Randall, even though it might be appropiate now in light of the outlandish things Randall has been saying. Randall's popularity is going down hill fast. As someone else on here has stated - he has his head in the sand. This is not 1970's Fayette County.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 11:19pm.

All I have heard out of the Simmons camp is negative. Whether it is about the crime, which Fayetteville police shot down with stats. Or the whining and sniveling about all of the signs they put on the right of way, and peoples private property, which were subsequently taken down. Simmons fits the naacp mold very well always whining.

Simmons sent a letter to the editor of this paper stating his intent to run for Sheriff. Late in Nov. of 2007. He wanted us to believe that we needed his dated experience.

I believe it was exactly 2 weeks later some boys had a fight in the restroom of Fayette High School, and from then on black suspects have committed an armed robbery at the pavillion, the car jacking a month ago and now the beating death of a white man in PTC. I'm sure it is all just a coincidence....... all of this crime in a county that was relatively quiet previous to the Sheriff's race......huh???

I do agree with you the Sheriff's popularity has dropped. Apparently he promised the 3 candidates from his dept. that he would support them equally......a gentlemans agreement......a gentlemans agreement that was broken.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Fri, 07/11/2008 - 12:33am.

I see. You haven't changed.

Your logic on Simmons and crime going up only slightly masks your true motive. Tsk, tsk. Your references like these continue to time and time again discredit you. It's a shame.

Submitted by yada yada yada on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 11:57pm.

Now you have changed it to "Simmons camp". I don't know any of Simmons camp. I do know, however, that I have been to several meetings and forums where Simmons spoke and they could not get him to say anything negative about Randall. When did you actually hear Simmons bad mouth Randall? As for black crime happening since his announcement - PLEEEEEEEASE don't insult me with such a remark. "Exactly two weeks after his announcement there was a fight in the school restroom." That one takes the prize for stupid remarks. Maybe a black sheriff is better equipped to fight crime. And he is no Victor Hill. Simmons is certainly not responsible for black crime. Your statements of "fact" are utterly absurd.

Submitted by KCW56 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:20pm.

Yes, surprise, surprise, Randall even was at a rally for Simmons. You don't remember, Simmons received 43% of the vote, as a late entry AND a newbie.

Look back at the 6 letters The Citizen published, Simmons doesn't bash Randall.

Submitted by drewpdawg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:09pm.

Simmons clearly states that "Randall is my friend" and "he supports me" He didn't say he "supported me" back when I unsuccessfully ran for County Commissioner or anything referring to the past. He said "supports" not "supported!"

Submitted by KCW56 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:16pm.

honestly, listen to it again. BTW, I was there. Spin as you must, and again, this might be hard for you to comprehend; Simmons did consider Randall a friend, Randall was a supporter of Simmons, they actually talked to each other, until he announced his intentions of running for FC Sheriff. Then it was uh oh.

Submitted by KCW56 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:50pm.

do desperate Sheriff'ie things. Keeping us in the dark for his own legacy. SAD!

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:31pm.

Guess what I found at Amazon.com 2 weeks ago?? Oh, go on,......

I found Ike McKinnon's book Stand Tall for 1 cent, that's right one penny. So I figured what the heck, let's buy it. I figured it must be filled with good stuff if good ol Dave took the guys letter of endorsment off of his web page.

He does refer to simmons as "my sergeant Dave Simmons" often. He never refers to him at a rank above Sgt. Things that make you go huh?? See this book was written or publshed in 2001. Well after simmons "retired".

No mention of the "deputy chief" thing? Again huh??

Don't take my word for it buy it yourself and read it.

Submitted by KCW56 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:46pm.

why don't you ask Cal Beverly these questions? I believe he might have a personnel file on Simmons by now.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:43pm.

I appreciate everything that Sheriff Johnson has done for our county. He has kept us safe for 30+yrs. Thank you for your service.

Did all 4 candidates agree to answer the questions on their personal web sites only?

If they did not, the answering of said questions broke a gentleman's agreement.

A law enforcement officer must be above reproach at all times. They are held to a higher standard, by the rest of us mortals. This may not be fair, but that is what most of us "little people" expect.

I will ask the other candidates if they agreed to answer the citizen questions on their own personal web sites. If the answer is no, I support BABB. He has been the only candidate so far that has taken the high road. That must be why all of the deputies have respect for him.

I have to admit that it looks like Hannah is just out for Hannah as one of you suggested. That really stinks in my book.

My vote is for BABB!

The Dark Knight's picture
Submitted by The Dark Knight on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 6:59pm.

The Commissioner has spoken. Hannah is the man.
What did the good citizens expect, after losing his protégé to poor decision making.
To quote an old friend of mine, Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha What a joke!


Submitted by grits on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 5:18pm.

I guess this was the only way for the Hannah camp to recover from the 4th of July publicity (the AWESOME float and the plane) and the fact that the majority of the employees are for Babb. What a shame... and a slap in the face to the employees after the Sheriff said he would wait for the best man to win; the same employees who have been loyal to him.
Voters, please, please re-read some of the blogs about Hannah and demand answers...from him and the (current) Sheriff. If he is not held accountable now, don't expect him to be IF he is elected.

Some things need to change.

wannabeme2...help me out.

Submitted by ujustgotburned on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:21pm.

Grits, you are more ignorant than I thought you to be! The Hannah camp has to recover from a well decorated float and a plane flying around with a banner? That makes absolutely NO SENSE! And how do you know that the majority of the employees are for Babb? Have you polled all of the employees within the department? You shouldn't be making those allegations when you really don't have a clue what you are talking about. The Sheriff has every right to endorse the candidate that he chooses, just as you do. He is a resident of Fayette County too! I hope that Babb realizes that people like you could ruin his chances of becoming the next Sheriff of Fayette County.

I hope that wannabeme2 can offer you some help because you really could use some...medication, perhaps?

Submitted by grits on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 2:54pm.

I am. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Actually, I didn't poll all the employees, but most didn't mind telling me. Maybe if you came out of the traffic office or from behind your radar, you'd hear about it.

People like you are why people like me need medication Smiling.

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