Murder arrest in PTC bar fight

Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:38pm
By: Cal Beverly

Red Room murder suspect_Scott, Jeremy

by Cal Beverly & John Munford

A Fairburn man charged with murder for assaulting a Hampton man at a Peachtree City nightclub turned himself in early Tuesday afternoon, Peachtree City Police Chief H.C. “Skip” Clark said.

Jeremy Scott, 22, of Elder Street, Fairburn, is charged in the murder of Devan Abercrombie, 32, of Hampton, police said. Scott is also charged with aggravated assault for the incident which occurred outside The Red Room bar in the Westpark Walk shopping center, police said.

Abercrombie died of brain injuries Saturday at an Atlanta hospital, one week after the attack. A witness told The Citizen that Abercrombie was “sucker-punched” in the side of his jaw by a black man.

“Devan fell to the ground, then attempted to get back up and went into a seizure,” said the witness, Kristin White, 23, of Fayetteville. She said the back of his head was “just pouring out blood” after striking the pavement.

The incident occurred after Abercrombie intervened on behalf of a friend who was being “picked on” by seven or eight guys, White said.

This is the city’s first homicide in two years.

Clark said that between 25 and 30 witnesses were interviewed by police during the investigation, as it was difficult to find “credible” witnesses because so many of the people there had been drinking.

Police announced Tuesday that a second suspect connected to the incident was arrested Monday. James Armond Blackmon, 23, of Peeks Crossings, Senoia, was arrested and charged with making false statements and writings.

Abercrombie, described by friends as a free spirit, “defended” his friend verbally, White said, then turned to walk away. As he did, one of the group of young black men “sucker-punched” Abercrombie in the side of the jaw, knocking him to the pavement, White said.

White, who said she knows cardiopulmonary resuscitation, said she checked his pulse and breathing and that both were OK. But she and another friend were having to hold Abercrombie down because he was experiencing a seizure.

The group of “seven or eight” young black men “split before the cops got there,” White said. She said she had been told one person ran after the departing group to try to stop them, but himself got “beat up.”

An ambulance transported Abercrombie to Piedmont Fayette Hospital, where he was then carried by LifeFlight helicopter to Grady Hospital in Atlanta.

Swelling of the brain started Tuesday, White said, and Abercrombie was taken off life support Saturday morning.

White said she, Devan and a close friend he called “his brother” went to the Red Room Friday night, June 27. White said she doesn’t drink and was the “designated driver” for the group. She said Abercrombie had been out of work for “a couple of months” and had no automobile or driver’s license.

Devan “wasn’t drunk,” White said, and used no derogatory or racial language in coming to the defense of his friend who was being accosted “over a couple of girls.”

The bar was closing, White said, and a number of people who had been drinking the past several hours were ushered out the door into the Westpark parking lot, White said. That was when the trouble started, she said.

During the altercation, White said, security personnel at the bar made no attempt to intervene or help. She asked for help, White said, but “the bouncer” said, “Past this gate is Peachtree City’s problem.”

“They stood at that gate and watched the whole thing,” White said. The “gate” refers to a waist-high iron railing around the front of the Red Room.

White said she believes the man who struck her friend was wearing brass knuckles, because it took only one unexpected punch to send Abercrombie crashing to the pavement so hard that he suffered a wound to the back of his head, away from where the punch had been landed. “You could hear his head hit” the pavement, White said.

White said she was unsure whether there was any racial component to the altercation. She said Abercrombie used no racial slurs.

Abercrombie had been estranged from his parents for several years, White said, and had been living with various friends over the past several months, the latest being a husband and wife near Jonesboro.

Abercrombie had been laid off from his “arms department” job at Fort Benning, outside Columbus, Ga., earlier this year, White said.

White, an eyewitness, said she and others had had trouble initially getting any information about police follow-up because the incident happened on a weekend and no one was available at the police department to get or give information.

Whitney Groce, 24, of Fayetteville, said Abercrombie was a friend of hers for “years and years” and they even had a child together, Jaden Groce, who’s 3 years old.

Groce said Abercrombie was proud of his daughter, though he wasn’t able to be a parent very much. She also said he was a good listener and helped others get their mind off of their problems.

“He was a major part of my life and it’s just so so sad that he’s gone,” Groce said. Groce said Abercrombie had many friends.

“It didn’t matter who you were or how he felt about you, he always made sure he took care of you,” Groce said.

Susan Smith, who worked with Abercrombie at the Publix grocery store just outside Peachtree City seven years ago, said she kept in touch with him through the years.

“He had a heart of gold and he would do anything for anyone,” Smith said.

The last murder in Peachtree City was in October 2006 when April Dawn Ulrich shot and killed her ex-husband Eric Ulrich in the parking lot of the NCR campus. Ulrich pled guilty just before the trial was about to start and was sentenced to life in prison.

The official account of Abercrombie’s injury from the Peachtree City Police Department follows:

On Saturday, June 28, 2008, at approximately 2:36 a.m., the Peachtree City Police Department responded to a report of a fight in progress call at the Red Room located in the West Park Walk Shopping Center.

Officers received a report that two subjects were physically assaulted by an unknown person(s) when they exited the bar. Witnesses at the scene reported that, at the time of the assaults, a crowd had gathered in front of the establishment.

One of the injured, Devan Abercrombie (32 years of age) of Hampton, Ga., was transported by life flight (helicopter) to Grady Memorial Hospital for treatment. On July 5, 2008, the Police Department was notified that at approximately 1:20 p.m., Mr. Abercrombie succumbed to his injuries and died.

At the request of the Fayette County Coroner’s Office an autopsy has been ordered by the Georgia Bureau of Investigations.

With the assistance of the Fairburn Police Department, Jeremy Scott, age 22, of Elder Street, Fairburn, Ga. was arrested [Tuesday] for felony murder and aggravated assault. He is being held at the Fayette County Jail awaiting a Magistrate Court appearance scheduled for July 9, 2008 at 2 p.m. The Fayette County Magistrate Court is located in the Fayette County Court House, 1 Center Drive, Fayetteville, Ga.

If anyone has information regarding this investigation, they are encouraged to contact the Peachtree City Criminal Investigations Division at 770-631-2510, or the Crime and Narcotics Information Hotline at 770-487-6010. You may remain anonymous.

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Submitted by NeedtoKnow on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 5:51pm.

No cops for miles at 2:30.

You do know where the PCPD station is, right? And you do know that the first officer was on scene in just 2 minutes, right, with more just a couple of minutes later? Care to revise the above statement?

Submitted by sageadvice on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 7:05pm.

Was the station open you talk about? What does that have to do with answering a call? They don't stay at the station!

How long was it from the time of the altercation until a policeman was checking the injured and directing where witnesses might have gone? I think those calls at the time did not go through the police station, did they? Who made the call to the police and how long did it take to get an officer on the way? How many officers immediately responded in the two minutes? (OR WHATEVER MINUTES FROM THE ALTERCATION).

Was the joint supposed to be closed before 2:30? Do police check for this?

I could go on and on with questions, but a holiday weekend, real late at night is a tough time for all services anymore!

Just find the witnesses, get the names, and arrest them, and all will be better. Also, determine hours of club and safety precautions they SHOULD do!
We don't need to wait for a murder for police to visit one of these places often!

Submitted by NeedtoKnow on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 7:53pm.

The station is always "open" though there may not be anyone available to answer the door. Officers are in and out of there 24 hours a day, and anyone who goes there at anytime can get assistance just by using the callbox (even if no one is actually at the station at that time).

You're the one that said there were no cops for miles. You don't know that there weren't cops actually AT the station when the call came in, do you? They do have to go there sometimes, ya know.

How long was it from the time of the altercation until a policeman was checking the injured and directing where witnesses might have gone?
Since we don't know how long the altercation occurred before someone called 911, I can't give you an exact answer on that.

I think those calls at the time did not go through the police station, did they? Who made the call to the police and how long did it take to get an officer on the way?
All 911 calls go through a centralized 911 center, where the police/fire/ambulance are also dispatched from. The police were dispatched immediately after the call was placed, probably before the caller even hung-up.

How many officers immediately responded in the two minutes? (OR WHATEVER MINUTES FROM THE ALTERCATION).
Because it was such a high-priority calls, all available officers responded, with lights and sirens, immediately. The first officer was on scene in less than 2 minutes from when the call was made. Three more within 4 minutes of the call being made. More arrived after that, coming in from different directions and looking for the vehicle that was described as leaving the scene.

I believe that bars in Georgia have last call at 2am, and most close at 2:30am. I may be wrong, but that's what I could find online. Not sure if local law can supersede that or not, and couldn't find anything pertinent online. But I'd bet big money that PCPD is aware of exactly what time the bars close (Tavern 74, Big Daddy's, Red Room) AND of the issues that can occur at closing time.

Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 5:15am.

Pretty weak answers!

The Police Station is open but the door is locked! You can rouse someone with a squawk box who are located somewhere, I think.

Is it secret whether there was anyone there on the holiday night?
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You don't know what the actual time elapsed from altrcation to police arrival do you? 20 minutes maybe? More? Never mind whose fault it was!

I am glad about the lights and sirens! Exciting!

I hope the police know the closing time of bars, you don't.

What are the closing issues that need attention?

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:56am.

Can be two very different things.

Submitted by 30YearResident on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 5:25pm.

A white guy gets killed by a gang of blacks and it's "Standard small town" stuff.

Had it been reversed, the paid race mongers would have been out in force rallying their ignorant blind followers. And I got a strong feeling you'd been right up there in front shouting your slogans and misquoting laws.

Submitted by PTCitizen on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 4:34pm.

"10 days after altercation, police have announced no charges or arrests"
What? How absurd. Those lazy cops must be slacking off again. With a crowd of onlooking intoxicated 2:30am bar patrons as witnesses, how could they not have solved this caper yet? I'm sure they all saw who dealt the blow, and I'm sure they all probably gave a great description that went something like this; "It was a black guy in a group of black guys that's not here anymore". "What did he look like? Well, a black guy wearing a white shirt". They should have been able to find that guy the same night - heck, they could probably have just gone ahead and charged him with murder even without knowing the ultimate outcome and severity of the injuries. After all, the attacker was black so he'll probably just get some freebie public defender who doesn't care what happens and won't really fight - like that lawyer in the Brian Nichols case.
I'm sure the cops will probably argue some nonsense back about everybody having a different story, trying to wade through lies, trying to find people, waiting for an outcome of his condition before deciding on charges, and other such crap. I for one say that we not tolerate these excuses and use the news paper to trash them for not doing their job fast enough. Who's with me?

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 2:47pm.

CitizenBlogger, there you go again. Someone upsets you and you start cutting and pasting post after post of someone who has offended you. I'd hate to see you banned because Cal has already warned you about blogflooding.

Yes, I agree with you that OldBeachBear's commentary is nasty and racist in nature, that doesn't mean you have to flood these blogs. If you have to call attention to someone's behavior, may I suggest making a single post with links (see "More information about formatting options" below if you don't know how to link) to posts you find offensive.


Submitted by buckstopshere on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 4:32pm.

different forms...I am shocked to say the least....and very disappointed in OBB's comments..

You know these observations by OBB concerning race are false and without any merit...you must also remember that you have also spewed many hateful things about fellow candidates and board members...you are really no better than OBB...

Do you have no life woman? How is it that you find the old stuff to re-post? You really need to get help for this blogging addiction...seriously.

Submitted by oldbeachbear on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 1:52pm.

It is ok cause some of their ancestors....may have been slaves?

That makes it ok...

Submitted by CitizenBlogger on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 2:37pm.

I didn’t see you saying
Submitted by oldbeachbear on Wed, 03/07/2007 - 2:56pm.
I didn’t see you saying everyone deserved to be mentioned, what I did see was , “When you acknowledge in thought and practice that all citizens have contributed to this country - there will be no need for 'special education and months'.” You just want to keep beating us over the head with it. What I, and several others said, went right over your head. People are saying they are TIRED of it. ( And when people tire of something they tune it out, which is what I’m gonna do to you after this.) People don’t care if Blacks are mentioned, no one said that, what they did say is that you are re inventing history for the sake of it. I said, that it is best to teach history as it was, to kids. I have stated that over n over, and mentioned FACTS about the Irish that were left out, and also FACTS about how many FREE blacks and mulattoes were running around back then. When anyone tells me my kid is gonna get up in class and tell the world how great Jessie Jackson was, there is something wrong. As I also said, by child and I found a much more worthy black to talk about, making my point that I thought the whole thing is ill conceived. You don’t like any of that, all you like is that for 30 days or more our kids will be force fed the merits of Jessie Jackson. By beating our kids over the heads with it they are getting, boarded instead of interested, indifferent instead of curious, and apathetic where they may have, at one point, been compassionate. I don’t think you really care, but if you do, your purpose is being defeated by over kill. It would be much for fascinating for the children to have all the details so they could form their own ideas. And as for this deal of making the paper a scapegoat if they mention if someone is black. Hey, my thought is, you should be upset with the black who did the crime, rather than the paper that mentioned it. And as a last thought…if…as you say, and not how ..I… was taught, Italians = crime, Irish = dirty, and Polish = dumb, they all over came it …WITHOUT a national month for them in the schools where the kids are harped on about it. These groups have got their respect the hard way, they earned it.

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Submitted by gelato on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 4:17pm.

Did I mention that the movie "Sybil" actually has a good ending - she seeks professional help.


Submitted by CitizenBlogger on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 2:36pm.

I think the empowerment club belongs to you Basmati
Submitted by oldbeachbear on Mon, 03/05/2007 - 7:12pm.
You seem to beat others over the head with words like "White Trash" as if it is your God given right. Do you know where the term "White Trash" came from? I do. The black house servants coined it, it was used by them to describe the Irish immigrants as they, the blacks, looked down on them. You seem to feel you are owed this entitlement, but if someone came back at you with the "N" word, Al Sharpton would be down here in the morn with the TV cameras rolling. People with the narrow mind set that you and DM have, feeling you are owed this is wrong. Teaching History, if we are going to make some group "Queen for the day", because of their skin color is wrong. As I said earlier it should be taught warts and all. Our children are loosing out in this pandering. We are teaching them nothing. When my child was TOLD to do an essay on an outstanding black, they were given Jessie Jackson. I called the school and told them that was not possible and we on our own, found a very outstanding black who held several US pattens. The whole thing is ill thought out and doing no one any good. All groups contributed and should be respected for it. The Irish, Indians, Scots, and Jews, yes Jews were some of the first in Ga., did you know that? You want to have a pity party and feel you are entitled to throw racial insults at it. I'm sorry, this country has a lot of brave, enduring, hardworking people who helped make it. We also have a lot of crooks and underhanded too that preyed on the immigrants and Indians. The children need to see this and make their own determination, of right and wrong. My feelings? You played a part in making this country, a part only, and should not be given center stage cause you are gonna throw a temper tantrum if you don't get it. There are just too many unsung heroes, as well as crooks and horse thieves in our history to let you hog it! just my thoughts and I'm sticking to them warts and all!

Submitted by CitizenBlogger on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 2:34pm.

Good Point xvalleygirl999
Submitted by skyspy on Sun, 03/04/2007 - 8:53pm.
I would like to know when is American Indian history month, and when is Jewish history month??

When will they get equal time??

I agree with you
Submitted by oldbeachbear on Sun, 03/04/2007 - 8:44pm.
no one group has been so pandered to in the history of this country and everyone is sick to death of it.. Kids, adults, everyone. You are right , it is disgusting.

Submitted by CitizenBlogger on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 2:26pm.

The problem with Sandy Creek is not the staff
Submitted by oldbeachbear on Mon, 01/22/2007 - 7:31am.
it is what is being allowed to go to Sandy Creek. And yes the person who mentioned the houses being 350,000 and up is right. The attendance at Sandy Creek doesn't match what lives in the area. People move here to get away from the thuggish behavior. They want their kids to go to school with those of others who have moved to the area with the idea of having a better life for their children. Then they find kids bussed in from other areas and a blind eye to people from the other counties that put their kids in school here. Why is this happening? One reason is the person elected to represent this area has never stood up for it. She seems to understand that people in Peachtree City want their kids to go to school in Peachtree City with other children of the same background, yet it is perfectly acceptable to her, for ours to go to school with children that are bussed past their closest school straight to ours. A lot of these kids and their families don’t reflect the same values for education. This has been an experiment on our kids that hasn’t worked. When staff has to spend most of their time to working with kids that come to school with chips on their shoulders wanting special treatment, our average Johnny, gets lost in the scuffle and so does the vary reason we moved here.
Another problem is the people who live here, not demanding this be changed. At the school meetings over the boundaries, Peachtree City parents packed the house. I saw only one face I recognized from the Sandy Creek area. If you lay down and play dead you will keep on being abused. You will have to stand up for your children and your investment here or forever be the ‘catch all’ for the county.

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Submitted by buckstopshere on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 2:03pm.

stay in the light and think. You can, and often do a better job than post careless things like this. Please tell me & the others that you don't mean this and that you are just suffering from Bloggerbrain. Afterall, you have been busy busting Smola in the chops the last few days...which I thoroughly enjoyed.

Submitted by CitizenBlogger on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 2:33pm.

hate to bust your bubble but
Submitted by oldbeachbear on Mon, 03/05/2007 - 1:56pm.
this brain washing that is going on with the kids is wrong! Everyone in the south didn't have slaves and of the people who did have them, some owners were Black. History should not be re written...history is history and it should be presented as close to the truth about everyone as possible. One of the reasons for teaching children history is to let them judge from the facts of what has been done, what went wrong or right and to learn from this to make better decisions. It should not be done as a popularity contest among the races. To imply we should have a few years of white, a few of oriental, black, and Indian, is just plain stupid! It is not a Miss America pageant for goodness sakes. If you think everyone Black was running around in chains, you need to think again. In the 1850 census, they counted everyone who was FREE. In Ga there were 19,731 free whites, 1,352 free blacks, and 1,646 free mulattoes. In Louisiana there were 5,504 free white, 14,448 free mulattoes and 3,151 free blacks. In SC there were 12,737 free whites, 6,058 free mulattoes and 2,914 free blacks. So, it short of shoots a lot of holes in that theory.
You also mention the importance of slaves in the south. You may want to study about the Irish Immigrants that came in the 1840s-1855. They did the real ugly work for nothing. It has been written in several places, one that comes to mind, is the Mississippi levees. The planters would not use their slaves to build it because the work was too dangerous and slaves were an investment. The poor starving Irish immigrants would work all day for almost nothing and thousands died of malaria building those levees. For everyone that died there were many many more begging for the job. If they didn't work, there was no one to take care of them feed, cloth, and house them. They worked or died. No one gave them anything and they were badly used. This is all glossed over. There were race riots in NY because the Irish were being drafted to fight in the civil war only to come home and find their job was taken by a black. No one was done worse than the American Indian, and I mean no body, but I don't see a everyone falling all over themselves to improve the way of life for the Indians today, far from it. One reason that so many southerns don't know their family roots is that their ancestors came here cause they were being treated unbearably in their home countries. They didn't tell their kids much about it because they were wise. They felt that by retelling it and looking for pity would only make their children feel second best. They wanted them to be proud and positive. Now there is a good lesson for all to learn.

Submitted by PreciousStahr on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 8:15pm.

OBB is not a racist. She's just telling the truth.

Submitted by buckstopshere on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 1:57pm.

That goes for the thugs and you...don't let anger speak words for you. You own your thoughts and words until you let them be known to others...I think you may have gotten a little carried away. You need to really take a look at what you just put out there...this is just not good...
"People should be judged by their character, not the color of their skin"
I am afraid you have forgotten that.

Submitted by oldbeachbear on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 1:43pm.

Why was a place like this allowed in PTC? I read a write up on it and it said that 'fights' were normal! Why did no one hear about this until someone blogged about it?

Why are the cops not acting? This is ugly...ugly if they let a place like this be...and ugly that some one's child died. I'm also upset that this kid was white and killed by blacks...Over and Over this happens...

You want me to vote for Obama?

Whites should really be afraid! There are other towns that are not black like Atlanta, there is nothing like this going on.

Move

away, look at areas of Africa where they have been in charge..would you live there? This is an extremly dangerous area and we should all move out and let them have it like Clayton county...They will destroy this too, and if you stay here, all you can do is watch. I know a lot of people have land that has been in their families for hundred of years, but, there is a time when you should pick your battles, this is not one you would win because of who is right or wrong, this is one that you have the cards stacked against you...It is time to leave.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:08pm.

"I'm also upset that this kid was white and killed by blacks...Over and Over this happens..."

Are you suggesting, Oldbeach, that you would NOT be upset if he was white and killed by white or black killed by black, or blue killed by green? Is this the first murder in our county that you are familiar with? Did this terrible murder suddenly hip you to the fact that at times people do stupid things that end good lives?

"You want me to vote for Obama?"

You care to give any thinking person any idea what a Senator who lives in Chicago and raises two kids has to do with a PTC murder? WT(heck)O

"Whites should really be afraid! There are other towns that are not black like Atlanta, there is nothing like this going on."

Old, demented Beachbear: Did you hear about a 12 year old girl who went missing in her white Burlington, Vermont neighborhood last month? She was found murdered. It was by an uncle, most likely, and he had several young girls involved in a ring of abuse. For people like you to stick your heads in the sand and propogate the illusion that crime only has a black face does not serve anyone well. Crime has a criminal's face. I suggest you not let your guard down based on anyone's color; you had best assess their character. It's a shame to see bloggers I use to feel were reasonable people flinging their bodies over a cliff of paranoia.

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 11:03pm.

Please do move, and take your racist crap with you. What in the world does a barfight have to do with Obama? When a redneck commits a crime (see Veitch murder in Coweta county) we don't talk about Bush being responsible. I am afraid alright. I am afraid of my children encountering such trash as you and somehow having your ignorance rub off.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:27pm.

Should I move my family of law abiding, good natured people, away from Fayco so that oldbeach and skyspy and ptcavenger, majormike, and bssmstr can have some peice of mind that parts of "the problem" have left the area? This is like a train wreck. You can't look away. You try to recreate the situation which lead to the crash and pile up. I wonder what has happened in the lives of those mentioned above that they would believe homocide is a "black" thing; and I'm still waiting for the solutions they have yet to offer on this "black crime spree or wave or scourge."

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by wildcat on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 2:30pm.

You know you don't mean it. You've written contrary in previous posts. You've written wonderful stories about your dad and some of the people that worked for him. You've written about your childhood and the people that meant something to you. This isn't about race; it's about a lifestyle choice and class (or lack thereof) and deep inside you know it. You're just having a bad day, this isn't the real you.

Submitted by buckstopshere on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 1:49pm.

This is crazy....I think you better edit your post before people read it. Please don't tell me you really think this way....OMG!

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Submitted by MajorMike on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:33am.

To quote the bard: "methinks thou doth protest too much". OBB is not the racist here – you are. You two and a couple of others from "the usual suspects" are experts at "the pot calling the kettle black" (no pun intended).

This is yet another disgusting example of the PC “kill the messenger” strategy. Guess what children? That strategy doesn’t work near as well as it once did. People have run out of places to move/run to and are now starting to defend themselves and their communities from the avalanche of crime coming from the “poor / downtrodden” segments of our society.

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'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.'
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Submitted by oldbeachbear on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 2:05pm.

anything...this is very scary..sure I don't go to this place, but racial violence is a very good reason to leave...My family never hurt anyone Black...but Blacks in Atlanta seem to want a reason to hurt whites. It is crazy to stay here. It is no different than Stone Mountain and they are showing us over and over, if the tables were turned, they would, and do hurt us...It is really time to leave.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:34pm.

Follow me to safety. Somewhere out there is a place free of crime or undesirable people. I think it's called Greenland; problem is, the "Green" part of the name isn't exactly accurate.

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by sageadvice on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 3:21pm.

Women, both black and white, wandering as loose minstrels, and of course racism.

The fellow killed was white they say, but had fathered a child which he of course was not supporting---that is supposed to be a trait of others isn't it?

A mixture of alcohol, loose women of all colors, bandits, and lack of security---inside or out, will produce repeated serious problems. Buckhead is learning that after many years.

Submitted by baremetals on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 1:22pm.

I am so sad...This is wrong...Hopefully we can count on our Police Department to get the job done...Please, no one ever deserves to die outside a bar by a bunch of out of place BULLIES!!!!

Please PTC, Handle this one!!!

Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 1:04pm.

I'll leave it to you to figure it out. Otherwise, I'll be called out as a trouble maker.

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Submitted by Mike King on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 1:15pm.

This is the downside to all the unchecked growth those nice developers have given us over the last 12 years.


Submitted by PTC_factchecker on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 6:10pm.

Mr. King:

I hope that the statement above is sarcasm. If it is not, please let me know when you'd like us to install the gates around every home in the city, because apparently we can't let anyone ever go out and we should check ID's at the City limits.

"Unchecked growth" caused this? Yeah....ok.....so, when someone is killed at a grocery store, is that because of unchecked growth? Or a parking lot of a local industry? Or at a friend's house?

Wow - and you ran for office? Maybe the Tennis Center caused this death!!!! Please, don't think you have to comment on every topic, as you might "erase all doubt".

Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 1:36pm.

I have a friend who knows the owner. I've never seen any trouble, but I've not been in there past midnight on any occasion.

The old saying is very true, not much good happens after midnight, unless you are in your own bed. Smiling

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:57am.

Read the post below.

This is the second person who has talked about illegal drug activity inside the Red Room. If they actually stay in buisness after this, this is your next spot to clean up. Thank you in advance for your help.

Submitted by 1guy4frdm on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:11am.

Ill tell you I have heard that other "crimes" have actually taken place inside this establishment. I know for a fact because I have also been there and know the owner and the former manager that many illegal thing go on in this place. From drugs to mnay unspeakable crimes that have allowed to taken place. I will also add that on many occasions when I am driving down 74 past the red room during the week after work on numerous occasions I have almost been hit by drunken drivers. Where is PTCPD then. Where are they every night 30-40 drunks hit the roads from this place, I have never seen PTCPD patroling the area. HOW COME PTCPD is never around for the real offenders! How come this establishment is allowed to pour this trash into our streets and neighborhoods without any regulation or consequence. Is this what our city has come to? Is this our tax money at work? It is time we demand action from the departments we fund and depend on to keep this community going. It is this departments obligation to the community. Get out of traffic stops and acknowledge the REAL CRIMES that are taking place.

Submitted by head_ragg on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:12am.

The police need to start patrolling around this place at closing time and see how quick this type of behaviour dries up and the Red Room with it. Too late for Abercrumbie. Sounds like if you are going to go to a place like this, he did all the right things. He was with someone who stayed sober to do the driving and he tried to head off a fight before it happened. His noble effort cost him his life.

All the more reason the ones that didn't fight fair should be brought to justice. At 3am it would seem easy to find the gang. It couldn't have been that many cars with 6 or 7 people in them could it?

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:42am.

You are now the second blogger to report that illegal drug transactions are taking place there.

The best way to shut down a buisness is to take your buisness away.

Att: Capt. Jody of the Sheriff's dept. here is your next spot, clean it up for us.

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:28am.

CALLING ALL TRIAL LAWYERS

For once, I would like to see all the local ambulance chasers go run and make a fee. Do something about the horrific Red Room attitude. The Bouncer” said, “Past this gate is Peachtree City’s problem.”

So, trial lawyers, have at it. It is the Red Room, LLC., and the contact is Michael Stookesbury 256 Commerce Drive #512, Peachtree City, GA.

Click here is the Citizen’s introduction of this place to Fayette County: FLUFF PIECE ON RED ROOM: “RED ROOM KEEPS THINGS COOL” (Unless, after they get you liquored up, you go “outside the gate”)


Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:59am.

Why don't these folks who actually claim to have seen "drug activity" there ever call the Police? Seems that people like that are more a part of the problem, than a part of the solution. At the very least, they should put the owner on notice and LEAVE.

Submitted by sageadvice on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 3:15pm.

Can they stay open here all night if they want to do so?
Some are saying it was still open at 2:30 AM!
They might as well serve breakfast!

How does word get around the south side that such a place is open here? Does the owner do that?

Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 3:22pm.

No...

Advertising/word of mouth is my guess...Yes, most of the time, the owner would promote his establishment.

Submitted by buckstopshere on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 1:11pm.

I've been tracking FCBOE stuff and I just want to know what does your gut say?

Submitted by buckstopshere on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 12:54pm.

I am sorry that this man has died. I think people often act before they think about the consequences. Some one was probably drunk and just made a bad choice that has already ruined one family's life and will undoubtedly ruin their own. I hope the PTC police nail them and I hope Scooter gets all the evidence and indicts these losers correctly. I want them to pay for this crime.

Submitted by itisme on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 12:24pm.

Wow! Finally we hear something (it has been over a week)! Why was no one arrested??? Peachtree City! What an effin' work of art! Funny that the guys who did this got away. Wonder if they were friends with the owners/bouncers of the Red Room?!?!? I can say that they probably are and that is the reason nothing happened. That is how it works in Peachtree City. It is all about who you know and how much money you have. It is too bad Devan had to loose his life this way and I hope that some lessons are learned from this.

Submitted by NeedtoKnow on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 5:12pm.

The PCPD *is* working this case. I've personally spoken to the officers who are. They are looking, they have *been* looking for the suspects. They responded to this call very quickly (1 officer in less than 2 minutes, with another 3 on scene within 4 minutes) and were right on top of things. I wish that out of all those on-lookers, more than one or two of them had called 911. I wish that the security people at the Red Room had even bothered to do so. That they didn't says something about them, don't you think?

Lessons learned from this so far:
--The Red Room owner/manager/security doesn't care about the patrons once they walk outside the front door, nor even have basic human instincts to call for help.
--The PCPD can't be blamed for not being called sooner. And since so much of their work after an incident is done out of the public eye, *no one* can say they aren't doing their job now.
--The PCPD had an AWESOME response time, as did the medics! There was nothing that could have been done to get him help any faster, unless it had happened inside a hospital emergency room.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 8:09pm.

First of all, PCPD should have been patrolling the area. PERIOD. There really aren't alot of bars around PTC and this is an active place, especially during the summer months. What kind of security is actually in place here, bouncers? I don't consider them security. If the PCPD thought perhaps that this area should not be patrolled because of the Red Room providing their own security, then I have a problem with both of them.

I am all about preventing crime, before things like this can even think about happening in my little Utopia.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 9:20pm.

but, but, but, but ....PTC cops and their chief all have college degrees......remember....that was the "magic formula" that you were screaming about in the sheriffs race. Remember how important a college degree is in fighting crime??

Tsk, Tsk how quickly we forget.

Remember you compared your candidate to the "stellar" chief we hired because he had a college degree?? Remember how important that was??

Except that our "chief" forgot to warn the citizens of PTC that he had a violent group of angry black men roaming the city. Thats how good he is. When they catch the angry black men, the naacp will defend them and cry and snivel about racism, then they will try to force their candidate on us. We don't need someone who will attract crime.!!!

Nice try, right back at you. I'm not the only one who is saying this in our neighborhoods tonight.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 9:59pm.

It's me! You've been having some fun I see.

"Remember how important a college degree is in fighting crime??" Still believe that, hold that to be very essential in fighting crime. As well as the FBI training and all the other honors that bestow this man. Still not impressed with the traffic cop mentality that we have. Still value the Chief, I think he inherited a very bad deal. But all will be okay, soon. They will all work together you see.

"Except that our "chief" forgot to warn the citizens of PTC that he had a violent group of angry black men roaming the city. Thats how good he is." I believe you need to speak to your Mayor on that one.

"We don't need someone who will attract crime.!!!" They are already here and more coming.

"I'm not the only one who is saying this in our neighborhoods tonight." Not saying it in mine, au contraire.

Nice spin.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:05pm.

"They are already here and more coming" What do you and the Naacp have more criminals on special order for us???

Again thanks for being a great advertisement for simmons.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:16pm.

"What do you and the Naacp have more criminals on special order for us???" That's a stretch. I have nothing to do with the Naacp. We have more pressing issues than that...city of Atlanta vouchers being given out for section 8 housing, 2 in PTC now and 1 in Fayetteville. Decline in our economy, bad sheriffing for 30 years, I can go on and on.

"Again thanks for being a great advertisement for simmons" You are very welcome, but he really doesn't need me now.

Have a wonderful night.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 12:16am.

Actually the fact that we have low crime is why people move here.

Nice try. Another nice message by the spokesperson for the naacp and simmons.

Submitted by NeedtoKnow on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 8:32pm.

PCPD should have been patrolling the area.

Who says they weren't? How far away do you think that first officer was, to be able to get there so quickly?

If you are concerned about how often they patrol any particular area, you are free (as is any citizen) to do an open records request. PCPD logs (with their dispatcher) every time they formally patrol a business area (such as Westpark), and you can request a record of that for any particular time period and place.

I know for a fact they WERE patrolling the area that night, but of course they can't be in all the areas at all the times. That's all I can say about that.

Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 5:24am.

I think maybe 2:30 AM or closing time might be a good time to patrol bars, don't you? Maybe go in before closing and look around for public drunkeness? What? And not catch them speeding as they go home?

Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 12:32pm.

I'm quite sure the Police will get to the bottom of this. We've already had a blogger claiming they knew everything and said it happened on Thursday.

Unless you were there, it's impossible to know what happened. I don't claim to know, but in my experience, the PTC Police do a VERY good job of finding the bad guys.

All that said, it takes two to argue. That has always been my experience.

Submitted by sevendust007 on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 5:29pm.

I wrote that blog going on information I had from others. I was not there, so perhaps I was a bit hasty to write that blog, but I was pretty upset at the time. I had just been told about it Friday, so I naturally assumed that my friends didn't wait until over a week after the incident to tell me another friend of mine was in the hospital dying. I have since spoken to others and told them how upset I was that no one called me until the situation was as bad as it was. I do have faith that PTC police are doing everything in their power to catch those responsible, but it has to start by talking to the witnesses who know what happened, and aren't just operating on hearsay. I will do my best to assist any way I can.

Submitted by jeanh on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:53am.

I really do not understand why the bouncers at the Red Room did nothing
to help. I feel that there was no reason for him to die. It sounds
like no one did anything, and still aren't, why has no charges been filed, are you just going to let this person go. He killed another human being, doesn't that matter to anyone? Why has Peachtree City
police not done something. If you had a tail light out, or no seat belt
on, they would be there. It has been 10 days and no one is in jail
yet, catch the jerk, this young boy didn't deserve to die like that.

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Submitted by The 5-0 on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 11:58am.

Why don't they charge the attacker with involuntary manslaughter?


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