Murder arrest in PTC bar fight

Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:38pm
By: Cal Beverly

Red Room murder suspect_Scott, Jeremy

by Cal Beverly & John Munford

A Fairburn man charged with murder for assaulting a Hampton man at a Peachtree City nightclub turned himself in early Tuesday afternoon, Peachtree City Police Chief H.C. “Skip” Clark said.

Jeremy Scott, 22, of Elder Street, Fairburn, is charged in the murder of Devan Abercrombie, 32, of Hampton, police said. Scott is also charged with aggravated assault for the incident which occurred outside The Red Room bar in the Westpark Walk shopping center, police said.

Abercrombie died of brain injuries Saturday at an Atlanta hospital, one week after the attack. A witness told The Citizen that Abercrombie was “sucker-punched” in the side of his jaw by a black man.

“Devan fell to the ground, then attempted to get back up and went into a seizure,” said the witness, Kristin White, 23, of Fayetteville. She said the back of his head was “just pouring out blood” after striking the pavement.

The incident occurred after Abercrombie intervened on behalf of a friend who was being “picked on” by seven or eight guys, White said.

This is the city’s first homicide in two years.

Clark said that between 25 and 30 witnesses were interviewed by police during the investigation, as it was difficult to find “credible” witnesses because so many of the people there had been drinking.

Police announced Tuesday that a second suspect connected to the incident was arrested Monday. James Armond Blackmon, 23, of Peeks Crossings, Senoia, was arrested and charged with making false statements and writings.

Abercrombie, described by friends as a free spirit, “defended” his friend verbally, White said, then turned to walk away. As he did, one of the group of young black men “sucker-punched” Abercrombie in the side of the jaw, knocking him to the pavement, White said.

White, who said she knows cardiopulmonary resuscitation, said she checked his pulse and breathing and that both were OK. But she and another friend were having to hold Abercrombie down because he was experiencing a seizure.

The group of “seven or eight” young black men “split before the cops got there,” White said. She said she had been told one person ran after the departing group to try to stop them, but himself got “beat up.”

An ambulance transported Abercrombie to Piedmont Fayette Hospital, where he was then carried by LifeFlight helicopter to Grady Hospital in Atlanta.

Swelling of the brain started Tuesday, White said, and Abercrombie was taken off life support Saturday morning.

White said she, Devan and a close friend he called “his brother” went to the Red Room Friday night, June 27. White said she doesn’t drink and was the “designated driver” for the group. She said Abercrombie had been out of work for “a couple of months” and had no automobile or driver’s license.

Devan “wasn’t drunk,” White said, and used no derogatory or racial language in coming to the defense of his friend who was being accosted “over a couple of girls.”

The bar was closing, White said, and a number of people who had been drinking the past several hours were ushered out the door into the Westpark parking lot, White said. That was when the trouble started, she said.

During the altercation, White said, security personnel at the bar made no attempt to intervene or help. She asked for help, White said, but “the bouncer” said, “Past this gate is Peachtree City’s problem.”

“They stood at that gate and watched the whole thing,” White said. The “gate” refers to a waist-high iron railing around the front of the Red Room.

White said she believes the man who struck her friend was wearing brass knuckles, because it took only one unexpected punch to send Abercrombie crashing to the pavement so hard that he suffered a wound to the back of his head, away from where the punch had been landed. “You could hear his head hit” the pavement, White said.

White said she was unsure whether there was any racial component to the altercation. She said Abercrombie used no racial slurs.

Abercrombie had been estranged from his parents for several years, White said, and had been living with various friends over the past several months, the latest being a husband and wife near Jonesboro.

Abercrombie had been laid off from his “arms department” job at Fort Benning, outside Columbus, Ga., earlier this year, White said.

White, an eyewitness, said she and others had had trouble initially getting any information about police follow-up because the incident happened on a weekend and no one was available at the police department to get or give information.

Whitney Groce, 24, of Fayetteville, said Abercrombie was a friend of hers for “years and years” and they even had a child together, Jaden Groce, who’s 3 years old.

Groce said Abercrombie was proud of his daughter, though he wasn’t able to be a parent very much. She also said he was a good listener and helped others get their mind off of their problems.

“He was a major part of my life and it’s just so so sad that he’s gone,” Groce said. Groce said Abercrombie had many friends.

“It didn’t matter who you were or how he felt about you, he always made sure he took care of you,” Groce said.

Susan Smith, who worked with Abercrombie at the Publix grocery store just outside Peachtree City seven years ago, said she kept in touch with him through the years.

“He had a heart of gold and he would do anything for anyone,” Smith said.

The last murder in Peachtree City was in October 2006 when April Dawn Ulrich shot and killed her ex-husband Eric Ulrich in the parking lot of the NCR campus. Ulrich pled guilty just before the trial was about to start and was sentenced to life in prison.

The official account of Abercrombie’s injury from the Peachtree City Police Department follows:

On Saturday, June 28, 2008, at approximately 2:36 a.m., the Peachtree City Police Department responded to a report of a fight in progress call at the Red Room located in the West Park Walk Shopping Center.

Officers received a report that two subjects were physically assaulted by an unknown person(s) when they exited the bar. Witnesses at the scene reported that, at the time of the assaults, a crowd had gathered in front of the establishment.

One of the injured, Devan Abercrombie (32 years of age) of Hampton, Ga., was transported by life flight (helicopter) to Grady Memorial Hospital for treatment. On July 5, 2008, the Police Department was notified that at approximately 1:20 p.m., Mr. Abercrombie succumbed to his injuries and died.

At the request of the Fayette County Coroner’s Office an autopsy has been ordered by the Georgia Bureau of Investigations.

With the assistance of the Fairburn Police Department, Jeremy Scott, age 22, of Elder Street, Fairburn, Ga. was arrested [Tuesday] for felony murder and aggravated assault. He is being held at the Fayette County Jail awaiting a Magistrate Court appearance scheduled for July 9, 2008 at 2 p.m. The Fayette County Magistrate Court is located in the Fayette County Court House, 1 Center Drive, Fayetteville, Ga.

If anyone has information regarding this investigation, they are encouraged to contact the Peachtree City Criminal Investigations Division at 770-631-2510, or the Crime and Narcotics Information Hotline at 770-487-6010. You may remain anonymous.

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Submitted by jng77 on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 11:13am.

sorry for yelling... lol! But I was angry and did feel like yelling at all the idiots that have posted such inconsiderate comments here. I understand the fear that these bad things happening in our community brings out. And I appreciate the work that PTCPD put into finding this guy. I just think people should have respect for all the parties involved in a case like this. In my opinion, I could care less if someone blames PTCPD or the bouncers at the red room or wants to turn it into a race thing... it all boils down to a man losing his life and a really large group of friends that considered him family needing time and compasion to heal. And not all of this was directed to Git Real...mostly just the yelling part.. LOL!

Submitted by mh789 on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 5:26pm.

THE PEACHTREE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT DID NOTHING BUT INTERVIEW PEOPLE AND GET TIPS FROM UNRELIABLE SOURCES AS SAID IN THE NEWSPAPER. AND NOW THEY HAVE A STORY. THIS MAN WAS NOT CAPURTED BY THE POLICE HE TURNED HIMSELF IN. IF IT WAS ME, I WOULD HAVE LET THEM DO THERE JOB AND COME GET ME IF THEY REALLY HAD REALIABLE EVIDENCE THAT WILL HOLD ON TRIAL.

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Submitted by Evil Elvis on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 6:12pm.

How much money would it take to get you to leave Peachtree City and never return?


Submitted by jng77 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 9:48am.

you would have let them do THEIR (not there) job!!!! Here we go with your wonderful spelling skills again!!! The truth of this statement is that you would not have turned yourself in because you are a coward!!!

I think I speak for all when I say that we have really really enjoyed all that you and your wit have added to this discussion! I wonder what grade you dropped out in......

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 10:16am.

Sadly, jng, I know COLLEGE GRADUATES who still continue to make these mistakes. Few things are more irritating to me than misuse of there, their, and they're, or your and you're, another one would be, it's and its, it's is the conjunction IT IS. A lot is also TWO WORDS, not one, as in alot TWO, say it with me, A LOT. On a side note, I have gotten a lot better about correcting people. It used to be quite frequent. Now, I try really hard to ignore it. I also try not to be snide about it now, but how do you gently correct someone's writings? It is hard to be gentle on a keyboard. People can't pick up on nuances from behind a monitor, so they take things personally.
SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 11:48am.

A lot of people think this should never have happened. People are scared that it happened right under our nose. All the pieces were in place for something like this and we didn't know it. If anyone of us had known it, we would have taken steps. I have thought so much about how it was for nothing and why some young guy should be beat to death in a parking lot. How this Mother must feel after not seeing him for years and then having to pull the plug. This will be something she takes to her grave.

The only thing I can say is we will insist this never happens again. The PTC police MUST patrol these areas at closing. If it means it runs these places out of business, oh well, they did it there way and it didn't work. Now we will insist that it never happens to a good guy like your friend again. He did everything right and was a victim. I hope the DA makes an example out of the one that attacked him. To punch someone when they are not looking is the height of cowardice. To kill someone who was trying to head off a fight is unforgivable. If he used brass knuckles, I hope he dies in prison. This will never bring your friend back, but it will make sure it doesn't happen again.

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Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 3:24pm.

I think many of us are posting about this situation because we do not like this type of thing going on in our Community. We live here, and aren't used to violence in our midst. I didn't appreciate folks questioning the PTC Police Department. I think they do a fine job.

I've said here that this situation is tragic on the personal level.

Submitted by Fuzzy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 3:19pm.

Thank you. Finally someone that didn't know Devan has enough respect to recognize that yes mostly its friends that are coming on here and getting updates and no one should have to see negative things about thier friend that just passed away.Myself personally, I look past it because ignorant people cant control how stupid they are because thats all they are. Ignorant.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:07pm.

"Myself personally, I look past it because ignorant people cant control how stupid they are because thats all they are. Ignorant."

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by oliviasdesign on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 2:45pm.

I very much appreciate the last comment. You are absolutely right. I knew Devan for 15 years and can collaborate all of the great things that everyone has said about him. When I received the message that he was hurt, I certainly did not bother with the color of the skin of the man that hit him. All we were concerned with was Devan. This is indeed a tragedy and his family and friends deserve everyone's prayers, not their judgments. Try to show some tact and discuss it around your water cooler, not on here for his family and friends to read.

Submitted by too bad on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 2:06pm.

It looks like with in hours of Cal putting this guys picture in the paper, he turned himself in.

Submitted by biancaporter on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 1:17pm.

Actually he turned himself in hours before the picture was in the paper. The paper is delayed so dont go thinkin Cal is a hero.

Submitted by Fuzzy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 2:04pm.

I'm so glad he has turned himself in. Now the healing process can begin for everybody.

Fuzzy

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 2:01pm.

I think you need to rethink your comments. 2 men in custody, fairly quickly in my opinion.

To those who think the PTC Police are somehow responsible for this crime, I don't agree.

Those that have said they have been in the Red Room and see drugs and other illegal activities in the past and said nothing are responsible somewhat in my humble opinion.

All in all, a sad situation for the victim and Family.

Submitted by 1guy4frdm on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 7:16am.

In light of persecution from the criminals doing the drug trafficking I for one have made anonymous tips to the PTCPD and have heard of nothing coming from it? So yes some of us do stand up and do the right things, and when this type of activity goes on anywhere around me I promptly leave.

Submitted by localyocal on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:17am.

Is that a mugshot from a prior offense?

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:54am.

Geee, ya think??

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 12:47pm.

I'm surprised someone would even ask that question. Smiling

Submitted by TyroneTerror on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 11:34am.

HMMMMMMMM!

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:29am.

I need for you all to know that Devan would be so upset if he knew what this story was becoming. Devan didn't hate anyone. I'll leave it to you all to figure out what he would be angry about. And "Sage," go away. This is not a thread where you are welcome. You don't know anything about Devan, you make obnoxious assumptions, and you just really tick me off, so do me a favor and STAY AWAY FROM THIS THREAD.


Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 1:54pm.

sounds like he was a great person. I probably interacted with him at Publix without ever getting to know him--I'm sorry for that. I agree with you about Sage--he never has anything kind to say about anyone-in fact, in actuality, he never really has anything to say--but continually keeps on saying it. Again my condolencences.

Oh, by the way--are you the same SouthernBelle who used to be on the AJC site? If so, I always enjoyed your responses.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 2:12pm.

Devan was amazing. You couldn't have asked for a more loyal friend. He really was one in a million.
I have been known to make an appearance on the AJC... don't tell anyone though!

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE


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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 2:15pm.

tragic death. I hope those that did this face the maximum penalty permissible.
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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 2:31pm.

That makes MANY of us who want them punished to the fullest extent of the law.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE


Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:50pm.

I went back and read some of your old BLOGS. It seems you had trouble even then with money and weird friends, etc.
Did some lawyer help you out then?

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:13pm.

on the heavier issues. You seem to have an absolute inability to differentiate serious life and death issues from the tertiary political and social banter that we have here at times. Sage, this would be one of those valuable times to read, re-read, and then delete the things you post out of pure human decency; simple human respect for real families and real people feeling real pain. Some folks are new to the blogs and don't realize you're often loopy. They may mistakenly think you represent the average blogger and feel pain or emotional hurt from your completely insensitive words. I wish I could type this anonymously because you probably think this is about you or me. We are not at all important! The family and friends of the deceased who read this are important. We should type with that in mind. Unfortunately, we often don't. Do we?

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:15pm.

Well said.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:17pm.

in one's conscience to say such things to grieving people. It is almost pathological.

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 5:45am.

As fr as I can tell I am expounding upon the sorriness of todays 20-30 somethings.
Not the family of the fellow killed at the bar.
Someone needs to do something about these people so that their kids won't follow them as some heritages do!
I don't even think any of this man's family (Mother, Father, etc.) have been on this blog! Just a bunch of , oh well, I won't say it again.

I do not do pretension! Nor hypocrisy.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 5:13pm.

Do you know how to read? I ask because you just can't stay away from this. You have NO BUSINESS being on this thread. You are vile, and disgusting, you make me want to throw up. I asked you to stay away from this because you have nothing to add to the conversation. You are cold, clueless, and obnoxious. GO AWAY. I don't want you here, MANY don't want you here. You are vile. BE GONE.

To everyone else, I am sorry for being unkind on here, but I have had enough. ENOUGH of Sage and the obnoxious comments he/she/it insists on making about things he/she/it knows NOTHING about. I'm sorry I had to get ugly.


Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 07/09/2008 - 7:20am.

If you want to converse only with people who say only what you like, use e-mail, not a public blog!
I am afraid I do not understand this group of people who depend upon support all of the time to exist.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:16pm.

Take care!

"Hack"


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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:52pm.

I hope you've been well. Thanks for jumping on Sage... that person really gets under my skin, and I try SO HARD to not be mean, but sometimes Sage really pushes me, you've seen it in the past, and it is happening again. We have moved to Savannah (well, technically, we live in Hinesville, but we claim Savannah!) I hope to be able to still come on here, if yall will still have me!!!
SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 10:22pm.

Keep up that firey spirit girl! You are always welcome!!!!!

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by Fuzzy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:02am.

I've known Devan for 6 or 7 years and I've hung out with him almost every day for the past 2 years and let me start by saying that I have lost one of the most amazing friends that I could ever ask for. True friends are harder to find than true love and now I am one less of my true friends because Why? Why? For what? Absolutely no reason at all. And thats what hurts the most,the fact that myself and many many others have lost a friend over nothing. Because he was being a real man about a situation? I really do hope that the police and Scott Ballard have what they say they have instead of just going possibilities and hope. This person will be found there is no question about that. As fast as word travels in this county and as many "bugs on the wall" as there are I have no doubts about that.And for the whole race thing,the only thing I have to say about that is even though this was NOT race related, if it was the other way around you would have every black orginization in the world exploiting the situation and twisting everything around. But the point is that Devan is gone and many people are devastated at the loss of such a truly unique person.I still can't believe it and I don't want to but I have the "family" that I need to give the suppot for one another so that we can make through this.

I love you Devan and I miss you so much. I hope you know how many people you had that really did love you to. Keep a seat warm for me cause we will have a lot of catching up to do.

Love you man,
Robert Landrum (Fuzzy)

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:19pm.

Alot of people you don't know and will never meet are praying for you and your friends; praying for Devan's family; his daughter; her mother. Thanks for honoring his memory with measured and responsible words. I wish I could have met such a man that would put himself at risk to come to a friend's aid. Not many among us can say they have ever done that. Must have been a special guy!

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by His Word on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:36am.

"There is no greater love than to lay down one’s life for one’s friends."

John 15:13

Rest in Peace, Devan.


Submitted by Nikki Reynolds on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 1:16am.

To all of you that knew Devan "Tig" my brother, you know that all he would want is for the guy that did this to him to be found in one way or another. I believe that the Bar could have done something even if it was to call PTC, but that is all a "what if" situation. It didn't happen lets not dwell on it. I want for everyone to know that he was the most caring person and would have done anything for anyone. He was kind, respectful, sarcastic, witty, and one of the best people I have ever known. Lets quit thinking "What if" and start thinking of ways to help the police catch this idiot. His friends are his family and that is how it has always has been. I love you Devan. You will be missed. RIP

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:26pm.

God bless you! I am very sorry that you have had to go through this. Devan sounds like such a special guy. I sense that his memory will endure.

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by 1guy4frdm on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:17am.

I remember about a year ago I was waiting on a friend to stop puking outside the redroom when the police actually did pull up. They taped everything up and said that their was a possible sexual assault by one of the employees. I never heard anything else about that but I do find it incredible that this place can cause so much attention yet the police still ignore it.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 11:10pm.

"Not our problem!" Lovely neighborhood attitude there, as a man is struck down. And I am thinking it IS their problem if they are allowing fights in the parking lot after they have tanked these guys up. I am thinking a wrongful death lawsuit might change their attitude a bit.

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Submitted by MajestySeeker on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 8:55pm.

This is extremely tragic. Red Room needs to change their name to Shed Room (for Bloodshed).

This all could have been avoided if the Red Room closed its doors on that night at Midnight when alcohol was supposed to stop being served. People come over there after Midnight on Saturdays very drunk, the bar doesn't make any money after midnight anyway, keep the goofs out of there!!! Start charging a cover on the weekends, or at least enforce a tougher dress code so you will at least keep the male thugs out of there (white/black/chinese/guatamalan) thugs are thugs, say what you want about Atlanta, but if you try to get into a club in Midtown/Buckhead and you aren't dressed to impress you will be enjoying the view from the outside...


Submitted by PTC_factchecker on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 7:36pm.

so the police WERE actually working!

Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard met with Peachtree City police Monday and later confirmed that police are in the process of seeking warrants for one suspect for murder and aggravated assault in the death of Devan Abercrombie, 32, of Hampton.

Because the murder suspect is not in police custody, Ballard declined to release the suspect’s name. He added that a second person may face charges for interfering with a police investigation.

Anyone care to apologize?

Submitted by sevendust007 on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 7:39pm.

Thanks for the update! (No apologies from me, I have nothing bad to say about PTCPD, only Red Room "security")

Submitted by Spyglass on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 7:39pm.

As I stated below, they usually get their guy. Anyone who comes to PTC and thinks otherwise is asking for trouble.

Submitted by sageadvice on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 7:17pm.

Can we now assume that it was a "sucker" punch?
Also, that he was a free spirit with many friends? Free Spirit?
A fact that he was punched one time outside the bar, right? Police say that?
Is White the witness with the facts? The sober FRIEND of the deceased?
Was she sworn in? Are there additional witnesses yet saying same thing?

I worry about these exact facts!
Did the police ever question anyone else?

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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:20am.

Let's look closer at few of the facts that are available to us Sage...

... fact, present witness No 1, Ms. WHITE, is from the victims side
... fact, future witnesses No 2, could be the Red Room security, to validate the events testified by the above witness No 1
... fact, future witnesses No 3...9, are the scumbag, low-life, punk thugs, that KNOW they committed a serious crime and did NOT stick around to give their side of the story

Those are some of the facts we can count on, no worrying here brother.


Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:21am.

Doesn't sound like "facts" to me.
Who said White was from victims side? Was she checked for alcohol reading?
If security didn't go outside, what would they know except by hearsay?
Up to 9 punk-thugs!
Why would anyone reliable want to go to such a bar with this kind of "facts?"
No worrying here brother, means what?

I am coming up with a blank about the victim! A couple of women who apparently knew him are saying he always helped them out and was a wonderful person! What was he doing in the Red Room, then?
Where does someone like him get the money to entertain at such places or even get around? He didn't work was my understanding.
Now, I am not saying

Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 1:42pm.

You make the most asinine statements. Everybody who goes to a club is not a "hoe" as you call them. "A couple of women who knew him are saying he was a wonderful person and helped them out. What was he doing in the Red Room?" So, a wonderful, helpful person cannot go into the Red Room. Again you say "Why would anyone reliable go to such a bar." For your information, many husbands and wives go there for the music and dancing--Friends said he had lost his job a few months ago--how do you know he didn't have money--again to quote you "Where does someone like HIM get money to entertain at such places or even get around?" Again, how do you know what his money situation was? As his friend said, she was the designated driver and perhaps as many friends do they may have been paying for his evening out. Have you not ever done that?Oh, silly question! Probably not. I hope and pray you are never called for jury duty. I would hate to think that anyone's life or freedom depended on you making a sensible and sane decision. You never have a good thing to say about anyone--regardless of the facts.

Submitted by sageadvice on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:27pm.

I believe I'm dealing with a couple of people here who have about as much in common with me as does Bin Laden and the President of Israel!

People who frequent such places and have such friends and spend the night drinking and then close up the place with a bunch of drunks are people I don't associate with now or ever.

Yes, I pay my way or don't go!

Maybe the cops can sort it. I'm done with it.

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 1:47pm.

Nothing more, nothing less. You can't take what he says seriously and try to respond in any meaningful way.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:46pm.

Is he/she for real? Does he really think the way his postings indicate? Some of his questions/remarks are so off the wall, you have to wonder. Or does he just enjoy playing the Village Pundit, or should I say idiot. He seems to have no repect for anyone, any situation or anyone's feelings. Sad.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:51pm.

He adds a little "flavor" to this board.
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Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 5:03pm.

Flavor also but would we want a daily dose? Or is it tasteless and odorless? Well, Sage is at least one of those,wouldn't know about the other. LOL

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Submitted by JAFO 72 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:49pm.

You have to wonder if he is going for that Andy Kauffman sense of humor. Sometimes it's stupid enough to be sickening.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:05pm.

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with your statement about sage, he ain't playing.

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Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:12pm.

I was trying to be nice. Smiling

Submitted by Crimebuster7865 on Thu, 07/10/2008 - 3:30pm.

this is so one sided...I knew Devan met him over 15 years ago in a pool hall in fayetteville....that might I add he was always into something there...he was not the "Great" guy everyone has made him out to be...basically he was what most would call white trash...so by no mean will any of you on here make me believe for one minute he was innocent in this whole situation....it's a shame it ended in his death but when you live the lifestyle he chose to violence is what comes along with it...he never could keep a job...or a stable place to live..he bummed money for anyone who would give it to him...and if all of you people were his dear friends why did you not take him in as a house guest...could it be because you are all in the same bost as he was????.....he was by no means a great addition to out society. and all of you people who claim you was his friend...well as the old saying goes...you are known by the compant you keep!!!!...I mean come on people let's keep it real here....He was Trouble and you all know it...and never sttod for much of anything.

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Submitted by SouthernBelle on Fri, 07/11/2008 - 6:39pm.

I've known Devan for years too. He wasn't perfect. He was still a little wild. I am not going to ever say that Devan was perfect, but you couldn't have asked for a more loyal friend. He was over protective of those he cared for. He didn't deserve to die. Devan still believed in honor. That's something to stand for.

SouthernBelle, GRACE is a VIRTUE


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Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 4:20pm.

I know that, but you're wasting your time being nice to him. A friend on here named Mixer once likened talking to sage to slamming your hand in a car door, and the man was right.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by darrylwd on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:55am.

1. Victim's side... refers to how Ms White's statements side with that of the victim, not as being a part of his party.

2. The police will question everyone there that night, if they haven't already, including every possible customer they can find and every employee. This includes security, making them witnesses. It's possible, but not a definite, that they could validate Ms White's statements, that is why I used the word COULD, not WOULD.

3. If there were up to 6 others that left with the perpetrator, then all are now considered witnesses and will be treated as such. And since they all left the scene and did not render ANY aide, they ALL could be considered accountable to SOME degree. There is legislation for such cases.

4. You stated in your previous blog... that you worry about these facts, I'm just simply stating that I'm not worrying.


Submitted by DGftown on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 6:30pm.

Leave it to the bloggers and the writers of a distorted newspaper to ruin the point of an article. This is not a black-white thing. This has nothing to do with any elected officials. It is not anything like a baseball player dying for getting hit "in just the right spot." This is a tragic story about a man. Not a white man, not a low-class member of society, not a jobless man, but a man. I am outraged at the lack of professional reporting done on this story and I am also outraged at the ignorant and arrogant bloggers that felt the need to put in their "2 cents" about something that they have no idea about. Keep it up, folks. To the Citizen, please monitor your bloggers a little better. I am fully supportive of the first amendment but I do not want to waste my time reading trash below your stories that have nothing to do with anything but bigotry and animosity.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 8:33pm.

People are going overboard with the facts or should I say non- facts. Nowhere has it been said that he was jumped by a group of black or any color men. It is said one man punched him--no one knows if brass knuckles were used or not. Right now it appears to be two guys arguing over a female--for whatever reason; a friend of one comes to his defense verbally and someone from the other group hits him one blow, he falls to ground, hits head, bleeds, seizes, police are called and respond. According to onlookers, Red Room security who were looking on were asked to intervene and said their jurisdiction ended at the gate surrounding the facility. Was this their own rule or the law? The attacker and friends leave before police arrive. Why is this now being turned into a black on white crime? It could just as well have been all white or all black involved. It just turns out to be a black and white involved. As for it being a murder, it did not become that until Mr. Abercrombie succumbed to his injuries several days later. I do have to agree that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson would be present yelling in front of the TV cameras about prejudice, as they always do if things are reversed--let us not stoop to that same level. Let the police do their jobs (also, do not be too ready to bash them before you know what they have done or what their response time was, etc,) and let's hope that is will be a lesson to everyone who is always ready to use their fists or weapons to settle ever dispute.

Submitted by PTC_factchecker on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 6:47pm.

Sorry if my point wasn't clear...I was actually trying to say the same thing you were - people are making this into far more than it was.

Here's an example of professional reporting. Perhaps this newspaper can learn from it.

Man run over, killed by girlfriend, police say

By CHRISTIAN BOONE
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 07/06/08

Cherokee County authorities are investigating the death of a Woodstock man who they said was run over by his longtime girlfriend Sunday afternoon.

Thomas L. White, 66, was hit by a truck driven by Melissa Houston, 38, as she attempted to leave his residence on the 800 block of New Light Road, said Cherokee County police spokesman Ron Hunton.

The two had been fighting, and as Houston drove off, White threw a brick at her truck, shattering the back seat window on the driver's side, Hunton said. Houston told deputies she circled White's yard, trying to leave the property, police said. She allegedly struck him when he jumped in front of the truck.

Houston then went to a neighbor's home, where a 911 call was placed, Hunton said. White died en route to Cherokee Northside Hospital.

No charges have been filed, though deputies said the investigation continues.

Submitted by PTC_factchecker on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 6:01pm.

Mr. Abercromie was surely a great man who lived a great life.

It's a shame that alcohol-fueled testosterone led to his death.

Yes, people get killed. It's a shame in this day and age, but it's a scourge as old as time itself.

Yes, Peachtree City has alcohol and bars. And sometimes people get drunk.

And now, the irresponsible reporting:
White said she was unsure whether there was any racial component to the altercation. She said Abercrombie used no racial slurs. The only thing that stood out was that Abercrombie was white and his attacker and the attacker’s half-dozen companions were black.

What in the world does that have to do with anything? From the accounts Ms. White provides, it sure sounds like this was over a girl. Maybe we should never let girls out - yeah, that makes sense. Kinda like it makes sense to say "she was unsure" there were racial issues.

Sounds like young and dumb leads to a tragedy. The gentleman got hit once, and went into a seizure. Was there malice? Certainly, and those responsible should be brought to justice. But do we indict baseball when players get hit in the perfect spot to kill a player? Sometimes unfortunate things happen.

Why anyone is indicting the police department's response is beyond me. The gentleman was promptly hospitalized, and the swelling started a day three days later. Maybe we should indict the hospital, as they obviously didn't solve that problem. It wasn't a death until July 5. I think too many people think that crimes get solved in 60 minutes from watching TV - see how many times actual crimes get solved, and you'd be heartbroken as to how many times criminals aren't brought to justice until years after the crime.

While the pain is real for those who lost their friend, anyone who uses this as an opportunity to indict anyone except for the person who did this is just causing trouble.

There is a reason that justice moves at the pace it does - otherwise, we'd be lynching Leo Frank again - look it up, kids.

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Fri, 12/26/2008 - 4:17pm.

You should rename your post to "Irresponsible Blogging." Do you even know what happened in the Leo Frank case? Probably not, judging from your insinuation that justice was never pursued. I realize this is an old thread, but I have never seen it until now. I'll try to keep this brief.

Leo Frank managed the National Pencil Factory in Atlanta. One day he demanded sex from a 12 year old employee named Mary Phagan, she refused, so he brutally raped and murdered her.

April 26th, 1913 - Leo Frank had Conley (a witness who later testified during trial) "watch out" for him while he "chatted" with Mary Phagan. Frank demanded sex and Phagan refused. Frank beat her mercilessly. He then pulled her underwear off, tied it around her throat, and raped her. After Frank finished he strangled her to death with a cord. Frank summoned Conley into the office, where he found him crouching over the unconscious girl. Leo told him that Mary had resisted his advances, and when he grabbed her she had fallen and struck her head. Frank and Conley took the body to the basement, where Conley was to burn her in the factory's furnace. That night a watchman, Newt Lee, found the body and called the police. Frank was later arrested.

On May 23rd a grand jury indicted Frank for murder. During the subsequent trial many people testified against Frank and his perverse antics. Some included Tom Watson testifying about underage orgies Frank would hold and Robert House, an ex-policeman, who testified that he once saw Leo Frank and a young girl in the woods at a North Druid Hills park engaging in immoral acts.

On the morning of the verdict the Fifth Regiment, Georgia National Guard, was posted throughout the city, and Judge Roan gave the jurors their instructions. Both sides admitted that the trial was impartial and fair. There were two ballots; one, as to Leo's guilt, was unanimous; and the second, as to recommendation for mercy, which would mean a life sentence. The first vote here was 11-to-1 against leniency, but the solitary juror later joined the others.

August 26, 1913 - Judge L.S. Roan sentenced Leo Frank to hang for the murder of Mary Phagan. Frank's legal team immediately asked for a new trial, and the Supreme Court almost heard the case, but instead voted 7-2 against it.

June 20, 1915. In his last day in office, Georgia governor John Slaton was bribed and commuted the sentence of Leo Frank, from death to life in prison. Governor Slaton announced the commutation from hanging to life imprisonment, and all hell broke loose in Atlanta. The militia was called out and thrown around the governor's mansion, seven miles from the heart of the city, and martial law was declared. Hundreds of automobile loads of armed men raced through the streets to the executive home, where the mob trampled the grounds and screamed at the curtained windows.

August 16, 1915 - A caravan of eight vehicles bearing 25 armed men from the Atlanta area arrived at the Georgia State Prison in Milledgeville around 10 p.m. Calling themselves the Knights of Mary Phagan, they cut the telephone lines, surprised the guards and entered the barrack of Leo Frank, who two years earlier had been convicted of the murder of 12-year-old Mary Phagan in one of the most infamous trials of the century. The intruders seized Frank and departed back to Marietta. On August 17, 1915 Leo Frank was hanged there in Frey's grove. When word of the lynching spread, crowds gathered to see the body hanging from a tree.

So, there you have it. That's what really happened. Not exactly how you painted it, your version being that the poor innocent Jewish Leo Frank was the victim of a prejudiced mob mentality. No, you forgot to mention that he was indicted, tried, and found guilty for raping and murdering a 12-year-old. How dare you omit that information just so you can conveniently mold this awful incident to your own liking so you can make a point, an erroneous one at that. I really hope you read this, though I'm not anticipating a response.

You're welcome for the history lesson, kids.

Submitted by waiting on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 3:45pm.

White is my sister, and she did not mean for anything to sound racist! She told the reporter that their were 7 or 8 men...it was the reporter who then asked what race they were. There was a lot going on, so of course she would say that she was unsure to hear anything. Also do make a stupid comment about it was over a girl, has nothing to do with the situation because it wasn't! And i'm sure the people who were there would know that. So your saying what in the world does someones color have to do with it...well what in the world do the thoughts of someone who wasn't even there (you) have to do with it? And sure some people get hit in an unlucky spot...but do they get hit in that unlucky spot with brass knuckles on?? did you know that? So yes unfortunate things happen, just like its unfortunate that you people think my sister (white) was trying to be racist (when she def. wasn't). And its unfortunate that this guy was so stupid to hit someone for no reason, but that's just what he did and now he will pay for it. And to all those others who think my sister is racist....when your friend dies and the cops know nothing..she gave a description of the man and yes he was black. So, no my sister is not racist maybe the people who think that are the ones thinking about race!

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 9:32pm.

It sounds like she was communicating what she saw. Many try to make more out of things than are there, but your sister wasn't one of them. I just wish with all my heart that night didn't happen for Devan, her, or their friends the way it did. We are with you guys in prayer and thought!

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by suggarfoot on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 5:13pm.

I don't think your sister sounded racist in the least. I'm sure she is traumatised by this. That would be a horrible thing to go through. I feel it is possible this guy was wearing brass knuckles too. People just don't fall like that. I'm so sorry that it took you guys blogging for everyone else to find out. It almost seems as if Abercrombie was treated like a second class person, which he wasn't. I think a lot of people are outraged that this happened to him. I know I am.


Submitted by Sabreghost3 on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 5:28pm.

Devon was a good friend of mine, and in our circle of friends, we were all close as family. Devon had stood up for me many times when times were rough, espically after my injury in Iraq, when I wasnt in the condition to be able to defend myslef, Devon stood up for me. In ways I too thought of him as my "brother". Any body who knew him, would say the same. He was the most Loyal person I have ever met. The truth of the matter is, is that the PTC Police were probably too busy pulliing someone over for flipping a cigarrette butt out the window, or a kid on a golf cart speeding, to actually take the time to investigate a murder in their city. If you want my advice, buy a gun, get a concealed weapons permit, and learn how to shoot. I give it 3 more years before Fayette County is over run with the filth from Riverdale completely. You'll know it happens when the first liquor store opens up on 85. This is just the beginning. More innocent hard working citizens are going to be harmed by these wannabe gang bangers. I only hope the next group they try to assault, one of the would be victims has a gun, and kills the scumbag.
To the Friends and Family of "Tig" (Devon):
I'm so sorry yall.They'll catch this bastard, and he'll fry. RIP Brother

Submitted by NeedtoKnow on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 5:50pm.

The truth of the matter is, is that the PTC Police were probably too busy pulling someone over for flipping a cigarette butt out the window, or a kid on a golf cart speeding, to actually take the time to investigate a murder in their city

Let's see. The first officer was on scene in less than 2 minutes from when the call went out for them to respond. Three more within the next few minutes. These are the STREET officers, the ones that patrol, the ones that work both traffic and patrol. Those officers continued their investigation through-out the night, and the detectives took over when it was their time to do so. That's how it works. You don't see the detectives working so much, because they're not in marked vehicles usually, and are doing stuff that most folks don't hear about until it makes the papers.

So tell me again, what is the truth of the matter?

Submitted by PTC Avenger on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 5:07pm.

This is completely unacceptable. This is the first I've heard of this, and it happened ten days ago. Why did it take so long for this story to break? I wonder how many of the thousands of people at the parade the other day knew that there was a black-on-white killing in their city days before.

Expect more of the same in the future. Blacks will continue to get more brazen and aggressive towards whites in the coming months, especially if Obama is elected. I wonder what the local NAACP and other anti-white groups will make of this. Speaking of the local NAACP, apparently their new cause du jour is increased diversity in the Sheriff's Dept. ("Would you make plans to diversify the staff?" "Will you make a commitment to aggressively seek to diversify the police force?"...questions posed to Sheriff candidates at the 07/01/08 forum).

Anyway, I'm trying to stay within the scope of this brutal crime and not wander off topic. The PTCPD should aggressively investigate this case. This cannot remain unresolved. I know it's overdone, but imagine what would happen if a white guy did this to a black guy. There'd be immediate calls for action (instead of people just hearing about it ten days later) from groups like the NAACP, Universal Negro Improvement Association, et al, calls for hate crime charges would be made, and the victim would be martyred as an innocent victim of white malice.

So, what's the moral of the story? Nobody cares when the victim is white.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 11:00pm.

This was a bar fight over women. Had nothing to do with race. And certainly nothing to do with Obama. Are you suggesting that if we vote Obama he will pass an executive order that allows black-on-white killing?? By the way the last killing I am aware of in PTC was when a WHITE kid shot and killed a BLACK kid at a party....it was an accident, which is certainly what this killing sounds like. A punch that was not meant to kill. That's not to say there shouldn't be charges. Sounds like involuntary manslaughter to me.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 9:39pm.

"Expect more of the same in the future. Blacks will continue to get more brazen and aggressive towards whites in the coming months, especially if Obama is elected."

So, PTC avenger, do you think that as these gentlemen argued in drunken rage, they were actually considering presidential politics? I find the banter here morbidly amusing. It's always interesting that the ones always bringing up the NAACP and Al and Jesse are those that loathe these groups and those men. Why do you think blacks like myself never site these groups, reference them, or otherwise promote them? Could it be in your paranoid minds they have more power than reality actually affords them? Please continue.

ps: For anyone to try and taint the work of our police department on a story that is still unfolding is irresponsible and slanderous of an outstanding department. Sometimes I think our police deserve better citizens.

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:07pm.

And think you are a very reasonable and well versed individual. I like to think I am somewhat the same. The reason I mention Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson is because they are ready to jump into every situation before all the facts are out. They do fan the flames and then when it has been proved in some cases that the charges in the situation were not true, they do not apologise, they do not try to correct the situation but seem to fade from public view until the next situation presents itself. I feel this does no good to either the blacks or whites. I think in any situation, such as this involving Mr. Abercrombie, a person should wait for all the facts before making a decision or statement. This is the way it should be if the person is male, female, white, brown or black. We are all too ready to jump to conclusions that only drive us farther and farther away from uniting as a solid group. Tne name calling does nothing to help the situation. There are good and bad people in every group, there are hot-heads who are always ready to use fists or weapons in every situation. This goes across all colors, creeds, and nationalities. And many of us are all to ready to jump to conclusions--the facts be damned.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 10:16pm.

I just don't know how Al or Jesse apply to the Red Room. KnowhatImean?

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 11:36pm.

by someone saying if it was reversed that Sharpton and Jackson would be all over it. The thing I was trying to convey what that we should not jump to conclusions and make it a black on white crime until we know all the particulars. Don't do what they were accusing Sharpton and Jackson of doing. At the moment it appears this is a situation where two men got into a verbal contest over a woman, a friend intervened and got punched out for his effort. At this point we do not even know if this is a factual account of the situation. If it is truly what happened I could see it happening between any group of men who have been drinking and let things go to far. If the one did indeed hit the other without physical provocation then he should be charged--sad to say he may not have meant to kill him-but that is what happens when drinking and egos clash. It annoyed me to read blog after blog making it look like a group of blacks jumped one white person. Nothing has been said to indicate it was more than one on one.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 11:44pm.

Go to the 9th paragraph in the story: "7-8 black males split before the cops got there" That is why some think it was more than one.

Submitted by Spyglass on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 8:54am.

More than likely, they all knew each other. And we all know about the "no snitch" mentality that is dominant in many cultures.

I also agree that Presidential Politics had ZERO to do with it.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 12:05am.

A group of black men may have fled the scene, but from all reports there was only one man who hit Abercrombie. No one has said that a group of men jumped and beat him. From what we are hearing, and at this point it is all hearsay, one man punched him and he went down hitting his head. Ms. White indicates that 'someone said' the person going after the departing group to stop them got beat. To my way of thinking, at this point that is hearsay. Nothing says a second person was treated for a beating or that a second person was beat. I have been around long enough to know when something like this happens the story gets twisted and hearsay becomes fact. Another thing, we do not know how many people were in Mr. Abercrombie's group. Believe me, I am in no way condoning what happened. It was wrong and the responsible person should be punished, but let's not jump to conclusions and make this a gang beating up one person situation until we have all the facts. Inciting people with twisted facts can only lead to further problems.

P.S. Just for the record I am caucasian. I would feel the same regardless of the color of either party.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 07/08/2008 - 12:12am.

I'm with you. I still say a large share of the blame is on the "security guard".

It will be interesting to see what the final outcome of this story is.

Submitted by MYTMITE on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 11:36pm.

by someone saying if it was reversed that Sharpton and Jackson would be all over it. The thing I was trying to convey what that we should not jump to conclusions and make it a black on white crime until we know all the particulars. Don't do what they were accusing Sharpton and Jackson of doing. At the moment it appears this is a situation where two men got into a verbal contest over a woman, a friend intervened and got punched out for his effort. At this point we do not even know if this is a factual account of the situation. If it is truly what happened I could see it happening between any group of men who have been drinking and let things go to far. If the one did indeed hit the other without physical provocation then he should be charged--sad to say he may not have meant to kill him-but that is what happens when drinking and egos clash. It annoyed me to read blog after blog making it look like a group of blacks jumped one white person. Nothing has been said to indicate it was more than one on one.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 7:50pm.

somewhat and I understand this fear; "Expect more of the same in the future. Blacks will continue to get more brazen and aggressive towards whites in the coming months, especially if Obama is elected."

We all must realize as the economy continues to decline, crime escalates. Compound a declining economy with more and more people on vouchers coming into our city an surrounding cities and again crime will escalate. If indeed PTC, F'ville, Tyrone, FC do not have enough officers and no plans to hire more officers, we are in big dodo.

I hear New Zealand is a nice country.

Submitted by sageadvice on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 5:40pm.

I believe you are wrong about this murder.

Too many people saw it happen, knew who they were inside the joint, etc.

It is still my believe that quiet investigation without rioting and yelling is the only way to be civilized.

If the police turn out to be incompetent, then we can get some more to follow-up on this case and eventually resolve it.

Submitted by 30YearResident on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 4:56pm.

Oh yeah, it was a "White" guy that was beat to death by a gang of blacks... sorry how rude of me. The silence of outrage by the usual cast of characters is deafening.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 7:48pm.

National Association of Angry Complaining People.

That is a good question. Why do they support criminals?? When the police arrest the group of black men involved in this incident, they will defend their violence instead of condemn it.

Submitted by kikenbutt on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 7:57pm.

in a gang.

Submitted by skyspy on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 9:25pm.

If they were part of a gang they were probably lured here by the naacp as a way of threatening us into accepting their candidate.

Again, I'm not the only one who is saying this. Sorry I know that "technique" worked in DeKalb and Clayton but.....

Submitted by sageadvice on Mon, 07/07/2008 - 5:16pm.

There was no rope in a tree.
There were drunks involved.
It was 2:30 AM.
There were hoes involved of all colors.
It was unsupervised.
No cops for miles at 2:30.
Just as there isn't at the Counry Club and Y- Knot at 2:30 AM.
This is standard small town stuff except this time murder happened.
We do however arrest town managers for pouring beer on shoes!

Al and Jessee are no fools!

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