Open letter to Kevin “Hack” King

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Tell me something Hack – are you a currently serving military member? Hopefully, you are just a vet or retiree. If you are no longer serving, your political activism on the website is acceptable. You can say whatever you want.
However, if you are currently serving, then your political activism on this website is taboo. Military members are required to be a-political. For example, it is forbidden to appear in public in military uniform at a political rally. Even if you are a member of the Air Force Reserve or Air National Guard, it is forbidden to engage in this kind of activity. You gave up your right to publicly voice your political views when you took the oath of office.
Even if you are just a vet or have already retired, you choose to flaunt a personal military photo and military nickname (“AF A-10” – obviously a Warthog driver) on this website. Rather disingenuous of you Hack. If you are not currently serving, then your photo and nickname present a bogus image of who you really are.

Either way, your integrity is in question.

I served thirty years and have retired. So I can say whatever I want. You, on the other hand, are either trying to present yourself as something you are not, or you are violating the requirement for currently serving military members to remain a-political.

Which is it Hack? Cheers!

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NUK_1's picture
Submitted by NUK_1 on Sat, 05/17/2008 - 11:05am.

Just ran errands all morning, work about done for the day. time to procrastinate if the yard in fact needs to be handled today or if it can wait a few more days. It's looking like it needs to grow a few more days to me:)


Submitted by wildcat on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 8:53pm.

My daughter told me what happened. I hope you're able to work things out. I am always very careful about what I write and seldom write my opinions. I know I would lose my job if I posted what I really knew (and thought)!

River's picture
Submitted by River on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 6:26pm.

Anybody who could read the bulk of your posts and take offense is a twisted soul, not a Christian. The REAL Christians on here DO recognize the fundamental goodness of your philosophy that you have always expressed on this website. Thanks to you, I felt comfortable in discussing "the meaning of life" on here, as well as guilt over shooting a squirrel.

I don't know the particulars of what happened in regards to your job (nor do I need to know them) but I hope that whoever is making that decision will take the time to read ALL your posts, not just the ones that may have been cherry-picked out of all you have said.

Yesterday, I made a pointed comment about "what would Jesus do", but that comment applies to ANYBODY who considers themselves a Christian. Time to walk the walk, not just wear the label. Anonymously assassinating somebody's character behind their back is not Christian, it's cowardly.


muddle's picture
Submitted by muddle on Sat, 05/17/2008 - 7:16am.

Who do I speak to regarding salary?

Little does anyone realize that, all this time, I have been moonlighting at another, very prestigious institution.

CODY STATE UNIVERSITY ("Where seldom is heard a discouraging word") has had me on the faculty since 1990 when, at the end of grad studies and the beginning of a job search, I and other philosophy grads created the school.

I hold the Zane Grey Chair of Western Philosophy. Here, "western philosophy" means, roughly, "rootin' tootin' philosophy." I have advanced to the rank of "Colonel," and have a string of prestigious publications, which include:

* "Buffalo Gals Won't You Come Out Tonight?: Lesbianism On The American Frontier"

* "How To Hogtie Hobbes: Why Materialism is Self-Referentially Incoherent" (the materialist philosopher; not the local lawyer without the silent "e".)

* "The So-Called 'Continental Divide': Yet Another Modernist Dichotomy for Deconstruction"

* "Lariats and Leibniz: Why God Had to Rope the Best Possible World"

And many more!

The CSU campus is in Beulah, Wyoming (population 33). Each academic year, when faculty and students return to campus, the population swells to almost 40.


carbonunit52's picture
Submitted by carbonunit52 on Sat, 05/17/2008 - 7:44pm.

have a coffee shop named after the Louie L'Amour novels? Those cowboy characters were always drinking coffee.


Submitted by Davids mom on Sat, 05/17/2008 - 11:03pm.

Where is Cody State?

Naturedude's picture
Submitted by Naturedude on Sat, 05/17/2008 - 11:07pm.

I gather it exists in the innermost recesses of the imaginative mind.


Submitted by sockmonkey on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 8:03am.

Has anyone received their economic stimulus checks yet?

Submitted by USArmybrat on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 2:50pm.

But, by the look of our bank account, the government has not only received but has cashed our family's "economic stimulus check" that we sent to THEM on April 15th!

River's picture
Submitted by River on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 4:16pm.

They cashed our payment check quickly, and we had asked for the "direct deposit" of the stimulus check, but we are still waiting for it.

It may be because we mailed in our return on April 14, so they may have not processed it until AFTER the 15th. There's a note on the IRS site that they would send out the stimulus payments on schedule only if they processed your return BY the 15th.


NUK_1's picture
Submitted by NUK_1 on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 9:30am.

Got it Friday here via direct deposit. The IRS website said it would be this week according to their schedule, and it was.


Submitted by sockmonkey on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 5:27pm.

For the IRS link. It looks as though we'll be one of the last. Even though we filed early and had direct deposit. Oh well, at least I know that SOMEONE out there got theirs. Smiling Hope everyone has had a peaceful Sunday...seems as if the storm has cleared somewhat on here.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 9:18am.

there is apparently a website where you can find out when you are scheduled to get yours. It is based on your Social Security number. We aren't scheduled for ours for a few weeks yet. My wife found it out. Keep the faith.

Even a dead fish can go with the flow.


Submitted by sageadvice on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 5:19pm.

I remember Bush said they would be here like the next Monday and start stimulating!

What happened?

NUK_1's picture
Submitted by NUK_1 on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 9:32am.

Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 9:04am.

got the check, well actually auto deposit, earlier this week - Yippeeee!

Submitted by sageadvice on Sun, 05/18/2008 - 5:02am.

Many professionals now belong to networks of people who help each other in times of job needs. They are not employment agencies, but friends of "Bill", so to speak.
They protect each others backs similar to how cops and Chiefs of police are hired.
And if you believe all that, I have another one!

Submitted by sageadvice on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 6:42pm.

Well, you are pretty much correct in your evaluation of muddle's employer. Apparently they feel that a poison pen letter might harm the school.
However, we have made much progress in allowing strict religious zealots to control the lives of thinkers and all others over the last couple hundred years.
These zealots feel that if they must pretend to be monks and must hide every aspect of their human nature in order to keep the power, then they certainly are going to see to it that the Church members do also. Also, at one time, if you didn't belong to the church you were ostracized for that.
I surely don't agree with everything muddle said, I think, and sometimes I didn't know which solution he gave might be the answer, but he deserves to say it!
My job is to agree or not.
There is no other way he could say what he wanted to such a diverse group as on here than he used. His employer should have known, I suppose, that he was participating here, but under the circumstances that would be hard to sell! He would not say it in that way to students, rarely maybe. I saw nothing that damaged his true belief and principles, although he may believe different than some of us.
As I have said before---you are known by the company you keep if they know who you are!
Everyone wants us to be like them. It is reassuring!

River's picture
Submitted by River on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 6:55pm.

It's dangerous to give too much information about yourself on this website. There are too many snakes in the grass, waiting to strike.

Ironic how often they cloak themselves in Christianity and/or "patriotism".


Submitted by sageadvice on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 1:35pm.

You never said anything (that I could understand) that upset me in the slightest. The joisting is fun, I think.

I could have, and did tell all of you however to lay off things that i.d. you, where possible. There are nuts abounding!

Even your appreciation of many rock bands would infuriate many people! They don't like the people and can not appreciate the music.

Some of the old German and Italian musicians were indeed scoundrels, but we have seen fit to put that aside and just listen to their music.

There are even times Muddle when "putting together a neat package" works for many judges. We all have tried the "neat package" to make our way in this world.

If your employer sees fit to terminate your employment instead of forgiveness or an apology to you, then maybe your term from here on will be even better. I sure hope so.

Even Cheney was allowed to call a reporter a #1 A......! To our President! He even shot a lawyer and then had the lawyer apologize for being there! Then there is the definition of "is." I still don't know that one. Reagan once bombed Russia, I think, right on TV.

BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 10:36am.

It wasn't me.

You said it was a he.

I didn't do it. I have never contacted your employer.

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We Will Stand


carbonunit52's picture
Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 10:45am.

I have some serious doubts that you are the person that you try to portray, starting with my doubt that you are a female. There are way too many inconsistencies in your postings. The male pronoun was in reference to muddle himself, not the person who did this dirty deed.


Submitted by sageadvice on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 1:24pm.

BPR has always been a fraud!

carbonunit52's picture
Submitted by carbonunit52 on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 1:35pm.

why am I, the funny looking kid, always the last one to figure it out?


BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 10:52am.

If you say it's me, prove it. I didn't do it.
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simpleton's picture
Submitted by simpleton on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 12:54pm.

for you to start trying some Dong Quai and Black Cohosh.

Cheers.


NUK_1's picture
Submitted by NUK_1 on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 10:40am.

Muddle never posted that YOU did anything. 3 denials from you in about an hour looks real paranoid or suspicious.


BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 10:48am.

It was not me. Muddle said it was a he.

Main: Intimidation
Submitted by muddle on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 11:31am.
"...would alert someones employer to look at another persons blog comments

Main, this was actually done with regard to me and with full effect.

It seems that, from some vantage points, this "muddle" character is a beer-drinking, pot-smoking, foul-mouthed, Christian-basher.

Funny, I never thought of him in that way. (Well, there is the beer part....)

Plus if he whoever it is he would have to prove it.

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We Will Stand


NUK_1's picture
Submitted by NUK_1 on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 10:54am.

Again, muddle didn't say it was you. No one said it was you. You're being paranoid here. Relax.


BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 10:56am.

Let's get Muddle to prove it.

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We Will Stand


NUK_1's picture
Submitted by NUK_1 on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 11:11am.

HE NEVER SAID IT WAS YOU! Why can you not understand that or are you deliberately being incredibly obtuse or paranoid? You've made 7 denials in about 90mins of something that NOT ONE PERSON has accused you of.

Hey, a bank got robbed somewhere yesterday.
7 DENIALS:
I didn't do it!
Nope, wasn't me!
It was NOT me!
Prove someone robbed the bank!
It was not I who robbed that bank!
WASN'T ME!
I didn't do it!!

The above is exactly what you are doing right now.


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 10:35am.

Somebody narced you? Jeez. (did I just say "narced"? Holy 70s flashback, Batman!)

I can assure you it wasn't me....I have no problem with "muddle" the person, save that troublesome "whiff o' the evangelical". Eye-wink


Submitted by sageadvice on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 1:22pm.

No one can take you seriously with such a thing hitting their eye instantly!

It is worse than "head on."

Why do you guys need an Avitar anyway=whatever that is? Recognition?

muddle's picture
Submitted by muddle on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 1:07pm.

First, I never would have thought it was you. In fact, the identity of the person is no mystery, as the actual name--which I will not reveal here--was given to me.

As a matter of fact, this was what we might call "friendly fire."

But, clearly, neither could it have been your caged bug. It is very obviously suffering from stereotypical pacing disorder, and is on the verge of a meltdown.


Cyclist's picture
Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 3:22pm.

is so sad and I'm sorry to hear that this happening to you, muddle. I thought about making the big leap like a few others and identify who "Cyclist" is but, I will probably stow that idea away for now. Curse the person that did this.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 6:49am.

How can anonymous shadow bloggers named trax and beaver who won't even emerge from the shadows to meet me face to face be, on any level, threatening? They are probably kids going back and forth from MySpace to the Citizen. At any rate, I've been WELL INOCULATED from such attempts. Trust me on that one. Smiling

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


NUK_1's picture
Submitted by NUK_1 on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 10:41pm.

I agree that the personal attacks(and in particular those recently on Hack) are pretty low and have no place in a somewhat civilized discussion, but be careful what you wish for because it's not only coming from one side. Not by a long-shot.

If there is going to be a clampdown on ad hominen attacks like direct name-calling and other crap, there will be a few people gone from here in a hurry.


Submitted by USArmybrat on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 6:43am.

I didn't think the use of the word "traitor" was in any way justified. Hack comes across as blinded by Obama, but he truly does love this country,I believe. You are correct in saying, though,that this type of attack comes from the other side as well. I wish it wasn't so but it will only get worse as the election draws closer.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 10:32pm.

"His most popular bloggers will be leaving" and who would that be???

You??

Get over yourself!!!

Main Stream's picture
Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 6:23am.

I was not referring to myself, got it?

One of the main reasons this blog has become a money maker for Cal, is because of the bloggers. Bloggers are money generators for blogs as they increase traffic to a blog. Have you noticed the 'site counter' Cal has attached to the blog? His traffic is increasing most likely because of the bloggers on here. Increased traffic to a site means increased advertising dollars for Cal.

Get the point?


simpleton's picture
Submitted by simpleton on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 1:26pm.

that the increased traffic to this site is due primarily to certain bloggers who have the same affect on other bloggers as do horror movies. While what you're seeing on the screen is mentally disturbing and may scar you for life, for some reason you can't force yourself to look away. (Insert Jason theme here: "Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch-Ch....")

In which case, should these horror movie bloggers be receiving some sort of monetary compensation?


Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 05/16/2008 - 6:30am.

You are always so pleasant and charming. That must be why you are so successful in sales.

Have a good day.

Submitted by wildcat on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 10:46pm.

Bloggers come and go and this site will continue. It's not a big deal. Most bloggers just change their name and come back, but then they forget to change their writing style (so others figure out who they are). I do agree, however, that the threats to the workplace are very scary. We all need our jobs.

Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 9:22pm.

I second that motion!

carbonunit52's picture
Submitted by carbonunit52 on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 7:47pm.

You two cowboys have some large and agressive burrs in your saddles. I would like to see you both grow a set and tell this to Hack to his face, instead of anonymously showing off for bpr.


BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Wed, 05/14/2008 - 4:55pm.

What you wrote to Hack that was so good. If he can't respect The President he needs to get out.

He will respect Obama.Laughing out loud

Thank you for your service, it's peple like you that love your country and I honor you for that.

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We Will Stand


Submitted by Sick of Fascists on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 9:06pm.

Beav, Trax and BPR will "get out". Wow, I am sure of my vote at this point!

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 05/14/2008 - 8:45pm.

Any American military officer that supports a BLT following, racist, Marxist hack like Barack is no patriot. They are traitors and weasels.

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If Barack wins, America loses.........

carbonunit52's picture
Submitted by carbonunit52 on Wed, 05/14/2008 - 10:40pm.

You went too far with that comment sir.

Take your opinions, mix in one large bag of sand, and return them to their source.


River's picture
Submitted by River on Wed, 05/14/2008 - 10:01pm.

I told Hack that he was too kind to you. Losers like you are quick to name-call and hide behind false patriotism. Thanks to your kind, our great nation has fallen from grace in the eyes of our allies and the people of the world. Of course that doesn't matter to you, because they are all inferiors in your eyes. Our military is being bled dry, our economy is declining. We stand accused of torturing prisoners. Our working class is out of work. And yet you sneer! What have you EVER done besides ride somebody else's coat tails? When you meet your maker, what good will you have left behind? Do you really think that sneering at people who are different from you is "what Jesus would do"?

I've ignored your tirades about Obama, as that is your right in our political system. But calling somebody like Hack a "traitor and weasel" does more to identify YOUR lack of character than anything else I can think of.


Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 5:34am.

Your last comment was so full of sanctimonious, self-righteous horse-squeeze, it's hard to know where to begin.

First of all, do you really think that I give a rat's posterior of what you, Hack, or anyone else thinks of me?

"Thanks to your kind"? What exactly is that supposed to mean? Republicans aren't the only ones who voted for the war, and we aren't the only ones glad that our fine military is over there fighting the good fight to keep our great nation safe from terrorism.
Thanks to the constant harping of all the negatives of the war by Democrats like yourself, all the while ignoring the good things and the progress that is being made as a result of America's military presence, terrorists are feeling emboldened.
The terrorists also are endorsing Barack for President if that gives you a clue. Perhaps our military wouldn't be run down to the point they are if the Democrats didn't immediately flip-flop on their support when the going got a little rough. No, they think that wars are easy and everything should go exactly as planned. (Unless, of course, a Democrat is calling the shots)
Terrorists are slitting our boys throats over there and you libs complain about a little water being poured on the "people" that we capture? War is hell, and nice guys finish last, so get over it.
Now in answer to your question as to what I have done:
- Own my own business (so I don't have to leach of the government or "ride anyone's coattails", as you put it.
- Served my country
- Give regularly to charity, the poor, and my church
- Vote Republican in order to preserve freedom (something that liberals want to remove).
- Raised 3 fine outstanding men, one of which now serves in a branch of the armed forces.

What will I have left behind? I am trying to leave a legacy that includes a country that still believes in freedom of the individual, rather than liberal socialism.

Now, I suggest that you climb back on your sanctimonious, self-righteous liberal wagon, find a phone, and call someone who cares about your opinions, because I sure don't. In fact, when you feel the urge to respond to any of my posts, do me and the rest of us a favor, and don't.

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If Barack wins, America loses.........

River's picture
Submitted by River on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 6:05am.

I really don't think very much of your opinion either, so I usually don't respond to you, but when you resort to name-calling and cheap shots, I can't let that slide.

Stay away from the personal cheap-shot attacks, and I'll stay out of your way. But I know a poisonous jerk when I see one.


Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 7:21am.

"....but when you resort to name-calling and cheap shots, I can't let that slide. Stay away from the personal cheap-shot attacks, and I'll stay out of your way. But I know a poisonous jerk when I see one."

Typical Lib - "do as I say, not as I do"

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If Barack wins, America loses.........

BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 6:35am.

I know your comment was to Beaver about name calling. I hope you don't mind for me to express what I feel about name calling.

I get called names all the time by certain people. There are a couple that will say something to the person if they are on. A couple will do it if they are not on and they see the name calling.

I think name calling is rude and childish.

If you can't use you vocabulary and say something to express youself other than name calling then you have a problem.

I see others called names.

I do hope that you are there for me when I am called a name or the others when they are called names.

Have a nice day.

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We Will Stand


BPR's picture
Submitted by BPR on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 6:41am.

Please remember the people in China about the earthquake that happened. It is sad alot of people and children died. My heart goes out to them.

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Locke's picture
Submitted by Locke on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 2:04pm.

I wouldn’t worry about Article 88 being invoked Hack. Even if the hyper-vindictive chickenhawks in the administration decide to force real military people to prosecute you, either an Article 32 or Article 15 hearing can only result in a misdemeanor which stays with you until you re-enlist then it’s expunged from your record.

In any event, tie the system up in knots by demanding a Courts-Martial in Lieu of NJP (Non-judicial punishment). That's what happened with the Tailhook officers and look how many trials there were of those guys: Zero. Then get Jack Nicholson to come in and yell at the prosecutor, "You can't handle the truth!"

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It is one thing to show a man that he is in an error, and another to put him in possession of the truth. John Locke


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Submitted by other_side_trax on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 2:20pm.

You've been watching too many movies to be an "expert on this matter". Obviously, you've never served. Or you would know that officers don't re-enlist.

Hack will never be prosecuted. However, if his chain of command gets wind of his Bush-bashing activities, it could reflect negatively on his written performance evaluations, which are the key to future promotions. That's the real danger here.

There are several areas in evaluation that address each officer's character and judgment. Hack's contemptuous words about the President definitely fall in the "poor judgement" category. That's only one of many areas where Hack could do irreparable damage to his own military career.

But Hack doesn't need to worry. He's a Delta pilot with a great first career to fall back on. We all know what great salary and benefits Delta pilots are getting these days . . . right Hack?

From the other side of the tracks


AF A-10's picture
Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 6:26pm.

Guess who I had dinner with last night? Hint. He wrote my glowing OPR. I'll show him your posts, and if you'd like, he can correct them for you. He has great kids (who can actually hold a Spanish conversation with me) and an awesome wife. But if you keep blog a blog blogging, they just may turn into my bitter enemies one day because of a grumpy Fayette County blogger. Smiling

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


Locke's picture
Submitted by Locke on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 2:38pm.

You started this whole blog to demean and challenge Hack and have posted a string of thinly veiled consequences to Hack if he doesn’t temper or silence his speech which you don’t like.

Since the UCMJ was enacted in 1950 only one single court martial has occurred under Article 88 concerning contemptuous speech and that was in 1965.

Take Hack up on his offer for a diaper.


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Submitted by other_side_trax on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 11:43am.

for the clarification on Article 88 of the UCMJ. Very interesting. The key phrase here is "comtemptuous words".

It is clear from Hack's postings, and the words Hack has chosen, that he holds our current President in contempt. But our poor deluded Hack still believes he can say anything he wants in the blogosphere.

Unfortunately Hack, that just makes you a common criminal. Now that you have been outed as a common criminal, what kind of a retort are you going to come up with this time? Not that I will even bother to read it. Sad for you. No escaping the truth here.

From the other side of the tracks


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Submitted by RetiredArmyMAJ on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 5:49pm.

As a part time service member, when Hack is "off Duty" he is not subject to UCMJ and can be as critical as any other civilian.

My mind cannot wrap itself around being an "Off Duty" officer. I was always on duty, 24/7. How can he for 28 days attack the president, state his disfavor at the war and almost every other policy, then majicly when in his squadron office or cockpit suddenly have 100% loyalty and 100% support for the Commander in Chief and the mission?

What he does is legal, doesn't make it right. JMHO
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Fighting for truth, justice and the American way, while ignoring the ignorant!


DragNet's picture
Submitted by DragNet on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 8:08am.

Well, well, what do we have here, if it is not all these GI Joes shooting indiscriminately at each other, it only makes sense and is representative of the non sensical "education" ("conditioning" would be a better word) they receive in the barracks (reinforced with a few kicks from their drill sargents).

Who says you have to gulp the stupid decisions made by "the commander in chief" the dumbest, most incompetent worst president in recent U.S. history. Do they teach you not to think in the military? Do you renounce your brains and accept everything they shovel in your eager minds?

This alienation might explain the atrocities and excesses performed by some members of the U.S. forces in Vietnam, Abu Ghraib, Central America, etc, etc. When rational thinking is taken away, only stupidity and animal brutality remains.

Take the sad Colin Powell for example: a brilliant, intelligent person making a fool of himself by following this nonsense. I bet he regrets it dearly now. Article 88 and any other mind castrating disposition should be a shame for thinking people.

These are my two cents. Now resume the shooting.

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Making you think twice......


sniffles5's picture
Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 9:07am.

Good to see you around again, buddy! This place isn't the same without you!

I'm getting quite a chuckle out of these retired military types getting their collective camoflauge panties in a proverbial wad over the comments of Reservists. The snide "disloyal" comments are especially amusing.

Last time I checked, military officers took an oath to defend the United States Constitution, not the popularity of George W. Bush.

I'm sure if the Republicans had not been thrown out of power in Congress back in 2006 we'd have seen this new "improved" military officer oath:
"I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to George W. Bush, the leader of the American Reich, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath." (my translation skillz are a tad rusty).

Oaths to a particular leader are soooooo much more effective than those to something as abstract as a "piece of paper", right?


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Submitted by Mike King on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 9:02am.

I was afraid someone took a hammer to your fingers preventing your access to the computer. Give us exmilitary types a break since now we can espouse what we refrained from doing so while in uniform, or was that it? It would seem to me that "blogging" is a relatively new media outlet and since the day of the occasional letter to the editor that may or may not have been published(editor's decision), I still recall dissidence within the ranks, just not to the scale some would prefer to see.

I even remember the "open door policy" whereby military members could express themselves with their respective bosses, but the bottom line is that since 1973 those who serve(d) have done so voluntarily. Perhaps even you have a supervisor that I'm sure has gone "against your grain" leaving you with the decision of compliance or fiscal jeopardy. It, at least to me, equates to the same thing.

Irregardless, glad to see you back.

Just my two cents worth.


Submitted by USArmybrat on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 8:25am.

Two cents worth--nah, more like worthless.

Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 7:48pm.

You ain't never going to convince anybody to support such jokers as Bush 100%.
It is extremely difficult for any one President to screw up EVERYTHING as badly as he and his crew have done in over seven years!

What a fool a person would be to 100% support such incompetence.
Let them Court-Martial him if you want Bush impeached!

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Submitted by RetiredArmyMAJ on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 7:57pm.

Americans never quit.
Douglas MacArthur

In war there is no substitute for victory.
Douglas MacArthur

It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it.
Douglas MacArthur

One cannot wage war under present conditions without the support of public opinion, which is tremendously molded by the press and other forms of propaganda.
Douglas MacArthur

I am concerned for the security of our great Nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within.
Douglas MacArthur

If many of the president's opponents remembered who the real enemy is and supported the mission, we would be much further along!

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Fighting for truth, justice and the American way, while ignoring the ignorant!


Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 8:08pm.

I recall the day that President Truman fired MacArthur for not obeying the President, Commander-in-Chief of the United States military.

Now if Truman was wrong, could it be possible that Bush is?
Or do flag officers have a different privilege than low ranking officers?

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Submitted by RetiredArmyMAJ on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 8:23pm.

Truman was right to enforce civilian control of the military, however as a student of war, military history and strategy I think time and the current situation of North Korea and China have proven MacArthur was right.

His quotes about war are valid today as opposed to Harry "the war is lost" Reid and the other surrender mongers.

JMHO

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Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 7:01am.

MacArthur was not right to want to invade China with the big bombs.

But, whether he was right or not is not the point here.

Should a President be criticized, as MacArthur did, by military people, or not---even if resignation is required?

You can't have it both ways according to what YOU think about a given situation.

Several Generals should have resigned in the lst seven years and said what they really thought! They didn't--wanted the biggest pension possible in my opinion, and didn't want the name of bucking the system.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 8:38pm.

I'm curious are you saying nukes should have been used?
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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 8:18pm.

Who said Truman was wrong?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 6:57am.

Sometimes you sound like bpr!

armymajor said NO soldier should criticize President's orders, and then used one who did as an example as to what to do! Makes no sense.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 8:19am.

Sometimes you sound like your arteries are past hard, look at the time stamp, the Major hadn't even replied when I answered you, YOU were the one who brought up Truman not the Major, do try to keep up, it's not that hard. I would have thought you were peeing with excitement when Truman relieved Mac, considering your disdain for all the military especially ranking officers.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 7:46pm.

You ain't never going to convince anybody to support such jokers as Bush 100%.
It is extremely difficult for any one President to screw up EVERYTHING as badly as he and his crew have done in over seven years!

What a fool a person would be to 100% support such incompetence.
Let them Court-Martial him if you want Bush impeached!

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:01pm.

Major, believe it or not (and since it's coming from me I'll assume you'll pick "not" Sticking out tongue ), but I understand exactly where you are coming from.

I speak from the experience of having served on active duty for a number of years and also a stint in the active reserves. You are correct when you refer to being "always on duty 24/7", that is exactly the mindset of an active duty officer.

The mindset of a Reserve officer is quite a bit different. For lack of a better word, it's more...compartmentalized. Two seperate mindsets, i.e. "this is me as a civilian, this is me as an officer". Like you, it seemed at the time to me to be a bit strange. I'm not saying it's "bad", it's just different. I suspect that's just one of the fundamental differences between active duty and active reserves.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 6:06pm.

I don't know whether to get you guys a pampers or kleenex. This has been quite entertaining. All I can say, again, is that if you would like to share a table, look me eye to eye, and see where I draw my ideas and motivation from, I'm all for it. This is most likely putting other folks to sleep, but I'd be willing to hear just what you, Otherside, can teach me of loyalty and complicated interdependent international relationships. And Army? Well, you'd make a great witness. I'm much harder to hate in person. Use my phone number when and if you'd like to have a real human discussion.

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 6:29am.

Best wishes for a really good day,

Your "obssession du jour"
who is in no way "frustrated and repressed" Laughing out loud

BTW, if I were to "bite," Eye-wink I'd prefer to sink my teeth into French onion soup, my first choice of the soups du jour.

If you're not too mad at me, may I ask your opinion? (I doubt you'd change my tire as you once offered, especially if I were wearing my I.D., since you think of me as the "former Dr. Conner," ! Laughing out loud When did I pass away, or is that just wishful thinking?)

What is an appropriate gift for an AF Academy grad (male -- civil engineering)?

(BPR, he's really handsome, especially in his uniform! Eye-wink And President Bush will be the graduation keynote speaker!!!! )

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8-week fetus ("young one") -- Only 30-32 more weeks to go!

“Women who are experiencing an unplanned pregnancy also deserve unplanned joy.” (Feminists for Life)

A person's a PERSON, no matter how small! Smiling


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 8:10am.

Please don't think that has changed. I do get frustrated with the double standard salsa dance that happens here so often; correct my spelling of du jour but attack my request for a reference; ask for my college transcript yet offer me nothing but silence, etc. But that doesn't change the fact that you are a person that may, at some point, be in a position where you could use the assistance of a grease monkey. And I'd gladly be your monkey. (Did I say that? Laughing out loud)

At any rate, the gifts I remember the most are the ones that, in a way, symbolized moving from the academic world to the professional world.

1. A pen and pencil set is something almost nobody gets themselves in school. And I was sad when I lost my first good set Sad

2. School or class related items for his future "I love me" wall:

-Silver AFA plate with stand
-AFA or Air Force watch
-AFA license plate (my sister has a metal one from UNC Chapel Hill that has lasted forever!
-Any picture of the AFA Chapel or Terrazo will be appreciated by the Grad (over time)

3. Cash isn't the most creative gift, but every grad appreciates it!
4. Last option is to buy the things someone who is finally leaving the dorm life wil need. There are no kitchens in the dorms at the zoo, so he won't have plates, cups, pots, pans, etc. It's almost like buying wedding gifts.

Denise, thanks for asking me this. As hard as it is to believe, I really would rather not fight with people here. Don't get me wrong. I really enjoy a good fight, but I enjoy constructive coversation and idea sharing even more. And if my blogging leads to a home for two beautiful black labs, it will all be worth it. I think I have someone for the female. I just hate breaking them up, but it's better than a caged life together.

Cheers, Doctor
Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 8:43am.

Thanks for the suggestions!!!!! Smiling

Also, I KNEW that you'd change the tire of a lady in distress. Laughing out loud

My teasing doesn't come across sometimes, & I thought you'd tell me to shut up about your GPA. I was just trying to annoy you. Sad I didn't expect an answer.

Gotta go! Thanks! And hope the dogs find a good home. Can't help but wish I could. I love animals -- except snakes. Laughing out loud


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Submitted by RetiredArmyMAJ on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 7:39pm.

I have one opinion about how officers should conduct themselves, you another. Let's agree to disagree.

End of discussion, out.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 8:21am.

I'll take that as a "No thanks."
For the record:
1. My critiques of anyone's performance are not personal attacks on their character. Go back and look specifically at what I'm critical of.
2. I gave an oath to "Support and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign and Domestic, and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same." That was from memory so their may be a misspelling or two. (notice, Otherside, that my allegiance is not to the PTC traffic court AKA kangaroo court, or to a specific human being. We have learned that human beings can, on occasion, lead us astray)
3. I'd take a bullet for every political leader who I've been critical of here. I'd do that for you. I'd do that for trax (assuming it wasn't a "hunting with Cheney scenario).
Okay Otherside Trax. I've got one negative reply from the RSVP. What say you?
Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by other_side_trax on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 1:37pm.

You state, "My critiques of anyone's performance are not personal attacks on their character." Now you are just splitting hairs.

Then how do you explain the fact that you sport a "W Worst Ever" sticker on the back of your vehicle?

Pure unadulterated contemptuous words. Your true meaning and context being, "Geroge W Bush is the worst president ever".

Installation commanders have policies that prohibit the display of political and/or offensive stickers on vehicles on their posts, and also prohibit the wear of offensive and/or political slogans on T-Shirts because they violate Article 88.

But you seem to think that kind of activity is just fine under the guise of protected "free speech". Got news for you. Your "free speech" rights as a citizen do not trump the oath of office you took VOLUNTARILY or your duty and responsibility to demonstrate respect for your chain of command.

If you want to learn how to split hairs better, suggest you take a lesson from Bill Clinton. After all, he taught us what the meaning of "is" is.

From the other side of the tracks


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 6:41pm.

enough to scroll up.

1. No Worst Ever on my car; just "Veterans for Obama"

2. If I said you were the worst example of a conservative blogger ever, it would be a factual (in my opinion) evaluation of your lack of ability in forming a cogent thought. Doesn't mean you are a bad person; doesn't mean folks don't like you;

And it certainly doesn't mean you're not special..... in every sense of the word.

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)


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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 7:19pm.

I just posted my favorite rock song.

It reminds me if Obama gets President.Smiling

What I pray for my daily life.

Have a nice evening.

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We Will Stand


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Submitted by Locke on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 1:53pm.

You have been convicted of a thought crime by the thought police. Turn yourself into the nearest Ministry of Truth facility immediately.


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Submitted by other_side_trax on Tue, 05/06/2008 - 2:04pm.

Thank you for your military service. However, spare me your hypocrisy.
Also, spare me the references to the deployments of an Air Force Reserve officer. I know what living conditions are like on your side of the fence, brother. Sure you have sacrificed. Many of us have. But try doing fifteen months, only to be told that you have been extended for six more. And then go again. While some may be impressed by your self-serving comments, I am not. ‘Cause I know the truth.
I remember when I was a major fifteen years ago. I was pretty sharp too - top of my peers - thought I knew everything. But I didn’t. I had only just scratched the surface. Kinda like you.
Talk to me again when you have graduated from Senior Service College (I have two masters degrees including a Masters in Strategic Studies from the US Army War College) and after you have learned something about the balance between the ends, ways, and means of a nation state; after you have learned something about the complex interplay between all of the elements of power (diplomatic, economic, military) a nation state brings to bear when trying to influence the world stage to support its own interests; after you have written thirty 1500 word essays on the past, present and future dilemmas facing this great nation.
Because when you make broad sweeping statements like “never in my life seen a greater foreign policy debacle”, it merely proves how totally clueless you really are. Obviously, you are not a student of the history of this great nation. You have a right to your opinion. But do not pretend that your OPINION is fact. All you have spouted on these blogs are half-baked, ill-informed opinions. On these blogs, you have shown only the talent of a critic. It is easy to be a critic. Critics create nothing. They just point and lay blame. Easy pickings. Takes no imagination and little courage criticize. Any whiner can do it.
Actually, I find you to be an ENORMOUS HYPOCRITE. If you really feel as strongly as you do, you should have left military service long ago. But instead, you remain, taking cheap blog shots at our current commander-in-chief. And then you claim it is OK because, “You might be very surprised at how many of the people I work with describe our current umm... gentleman.” garbage. What a coward. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You don’t even have the courage of your own convictions.
I’ll trade BIOs with you anytime, partner, but let me warn you up front, mine includes G3 (that’s Chief of Operations for the Army’s largest command) and Installation Command, just for starters.
At the end of the day, you are just another know-it-all, arrogant pilot who shoots from the hip with nothing to back it up. A real man would have left the military service long ago. Oh, but I forgot, you’re one of those completely “selfless” Delta pilots. Never mind. That explains it all.
Suggest you man up and read the following John Stuart Mills quote. It might help you find your cohones:
“But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”

And spare me your trite talking point opinions about this war not being for a good cause. We already know you believe it was all about OIL, right?. . . or whatever other neo-con conspiracy theory you want to concoct. The fact remains that HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of innocent civilians died at the hands of Saddam Hussein. That is good enough cause for me.
Did we enter into to this war with an unacceptable level of cultural naïvete? SURE. Did we go in without enough troops? YES. We are where we are. You can count down the days remaining in the current Bush administration all you want. But Bush's legacy will be a proud one despite all of the left-wing media bashing you’ve bought into. He took decisive action. Decisive action that has prevented another attack on our homeland. Do you seriously believe a Clinton, Gore, Kerry, or Obama would have done better? I shudder at the thought of how Al Gore would have handled 9/11. How quickly we forget. How easy it is - to point the finger of blame. I’m sure you would rather return to the Clinton days of foreign policy that brought nuclear technology to North Korea and “wag the dog” bombings to deflect the nation’s attention from the Lewinsky scandal. Eight years of Clinton foreign policy is the MAIN REASON why every American has an “infidel bullseye” on their forehead. But then, you are too clueless to come to that obvious realization.
Love it or leave it Hack. Put up or shut up. If you want to criticize the current Commander-in-Chief publicly, then resign your commission. Have the courage of your own convictions.
But you won’t leave the service. Because selfishly, it suits your purpose. Because somehow, you’ve convinced yourself that your blogging is “courageous” or even “selfless”. But in reality, it is pure cowardice, plain and simple (with added emphasis on SIMPLE, as in “minded”). Until you do leave the service, I have absolutely no interest in anything you have to say. Because you win the all-time award for being the ULTIMATE HYPOCRITE.

Here endeth the lesson.

From the other side of the tracks


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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 1:18pm.

Normally I do not avail myself to these "I know better than you" jousts, but don't you think you are backing yourself into a virtual corner by your assertion of "hypocrisy'? By your own assertion that you made major fifteen years ago and until recently retiring as a colonel with thirty years under your belt, do you not feel the slightest bit guilty of the same offense for having served a Commander-In-Chief from 1993-2000? Your own words allude to that President being the MAIN REASON every American posseses an infidel bullseye. Could it be a self interest you remained on active duty?

I do know that Kevin does not need any help defending himself, but for the life of me, why do you see fit to take one cheap shot after another(living conditions,etc)? Those with whom I served that widened their fourth point of contact at the War College knew better than to walk into potential ambushes.

Just my two cents worth.


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Submitted by other_side_trax on Wed, 05/07/2008 - 4:39pm.

I served under Clinton. So what? And while I served, I never publicly used contemptuous words against the President. No hypocrisy at all. However, in my posting above, I said "Clinton's foreign policy" is the reason. Would you like to try to refute that statement? Of course not because you know there is truth in it. So go wag your dog.

Hack makes a daily habit of making contemptous statements toward the President while currently serving. Which brings into question not only his loyalty, but the integrity of his service. Obviously, he feels he has a right to say anything he wants and has said so on this forum. But the fact is, he can't.

Admittedly, this kind of offense is rarely prosecuted.

So what I'm taking issue with here is true character of the man, Hack (or rather lack thereof). Because he choses to serve in uniform, tout his military service, and hypocritically voices his contempt for for his own chain of command.

It's just not right. And Hack doesn't care. Which speaks volumes about his lack of integrity.

Hack is the one who has backed himself into a corner. And if, by chance, his chain of command is made aware of his contemptuous remarks toward the President, they will likely take a dim view of it. I would if I were his commanding officer.

At the end of the day, Hack is the one who has to look himself in the mirror and take stock of his own situation. Just glad I'm not him.

I'm just fine with where I'm at.

Hack, on the other hand, is the one who has backed himself into a corner.

From the other side of the tracks


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Submitted by Mike King on Thu, 05/08/2008 - 9:56am.

While on active duty I shared the same sentiment that you espouse and to a large degree still do. You are correct in that "statements" uttered regarding the Commander-In-Chief are seldom prosecuted and I cannot recall a single one during my twenty-four years-it does not make it any less right, but let's just say it's a sign of the times.

After all, we chose not to prosecute either Fonda or Kerry for acts of outright acts of treason committed during a Republican administration.

My point is simple times have changed, character has not, which is where you and I dissagree concerning your posts. Defining someone's character goes much deeper than interpreting their words. Might I suggest that the two of you meet, I'll referee if required, as I believe you will come away with a different point of view.

Just my two cents worth.


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