Armymajor: Feel free to keep repeating yourself, but don't hold your breath hoping that Kevin King will sit on his hands while your fellow mud-slingers punch liberals in the face. You have dealt with greater hardships. Certainly you can deal with my exercise of free speech. And, by the way: One man's "attacks" are another man's honest critiques.

Otherside: Not sure what your point is other than to show us all your "I love me" wall, but as you initially questioned my integrity by insinuating I wasn't whom I have said I was, then you tried to tell me "Hack, I'm just looking out for you, buddy." Save it. I've got enough friends. And with friends like you......

You still have an open invite to sit down and share your views with me. Tell me how your award winning avatar is less military in nature than my picture of my father. But, consider your point taken, and any further whining to be considered, well... whining.

Denise. Fancy meeting you here. I actually expected you sooner. Care to tell me who ever won the argument as to whether name calling signaled intellectual defeat or creative political satire? At any rate, I'm glad you came. Hope you enjoyed the conservative "we can criticize democrats but you can't criticize republicans show." It seems to be a tour that comes through town twice a year. Get your tickets early, as pre sales have been heavy.

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)

ps, Otherside: I don't want your "thanks."
I never asked for your "thanks."
And I don't feel I will be requiring your "thanks" any time in the near future.

"Obviously, you are not a student of the history of this great nation."

That's evident quite often.

Hack frequently plays the "military card," as he has done with me and Richard.

"Oh, and for Richard Hobbs [who's a lawyer] to legally teach me, he may need to obtain a degree from an institution that is actually accredited. I would suggest one of our fine military academies, but that would require actual military service afterwards."

Hack doesn't say which military academy he graduated from or his GPA.

One thing I've observed about WWII, Korean, & Vietnam vets is that they don't tout their service. They don't even mention it, especially WWII vets. It isn't a way for them to feel superior to others. But then they understand SERVICE vs. merely doing a job, often for the benefits. (You put in 20 years, and you get 50% of your base pay immediately upon retirement, from what I remember.)

Thanks for your service and your part in making our military the BEST in the world! God BLESS our nation and our troops, including the Commander-in-Chief.

USAFA Fine '89

higher than 2.0, lower than 4.0

Where is/are your degree/degrees from?

Did you see Barack won N.C.? Sucks for you guys.

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)

Just what do I deserve?

Obviously, you think I deserve much less than you deserve. The real question is what has someone EARNED?

"USAFA Fine" -- At Colorado Springs? Fine arts?

USAFA Department of English & Fine Arts

Our primary mission is to teach future Air Force leaders

* an appreciation for the culture they've promised to defend and

* the ability to speak, listen, write, and read effectively.

(Are correct spelling and grammar required?)

A GPA of 2.1 is greater than 2.0 (a C average), which is a the minimally acceptable level before being placed on placed on academic review at many colleges.

did I miss the post where you stated your academic credentials for all to see? Hack gave us his, where are yours?

And before you slip into "pitbull" mode...

I graduated from Lebanon Valley College in PA (a small Christian school for small Christians) in '70 with a 2.13 in Political Science

West Georgia College- M.Ed in Administration and Supervision- '84
West Georgia College- M.Ed in Secondary Social Studies- '86
West Georgia College- Ed.S in Secondary Education (Curriculum)-'89

Keep the faith

Even a dead fish can go with the flow.

Why do you suppose Denise lacks the courage to answer that simple little question...especially given her tendency to pass judgement on the education of others?

Been wondering for a long time, $nif, about your plagiarism. Are you JeffC or Jeffc? What other names do you post under?

It was David's mom who said to Richard Hobbs, "Possibly because they passed their Logic course in college. Global warming is an attack on big business? Please!! You're scary."

"Did you really pass a state bar? Amazing!! Try logic."

And Hack who said, "Oh, and for Richard Hobbs [who's a lawyer] to legally teach me, he may need to obtain a degree from an institution that is actually accredited. I would suggest one of our fine military academies, but that would require actual military service afterwards."

"So, Denise, how does the school Richard attended rate in the world of peer review? How do other schools of law view Richard's alma mater?"

That's what was said BEFORE I commented to OtherSideTrax that Hack didn't say IF he went to a military academy. I only said, Hack doesn't say which military academy he graduated from or his GPA, AFTER he made his snide remarks. Why Yard jumped in and touted with his credentials, I don't know.

Context is everything.

As for passing judgment (notice that's there's no "e" in the middle), how about your saying all of the following:

* “Conner, in all seriousness, did your parents write you a note exempting you from high school biology?”

* "Magna Cum Laude....in your homeschool?" (which you usually spell sKool)

* “Jeff, keep in mind you're debating a woman with some pretty significant gaps in her basic education…. I've always had my doubts that she ever attended college…. I now wonder if she ever passed intro to Biology in HIGH SCHOOL.”

* Calling my dad, who's a disabled vet, a "drooling slug"

* Saying "Pegleg Pete's Prevaricating Pusillanimous Progeny"

* "I suspect such character flaws and cowardice may be genetic and/or hereditary in nature...After all, didn't you once tell us your daddy shot himself in the foot to avoid combat?"

* "Answering Hack's and Yard's simple question would have required a small bit of both courage and character, traits sadly missing from your genetic makeup.

* "Not that I blame you, though, you didn't get to pick your parents.

* "Hopefully, you can do a better job instilling those traits in your children than your parents did with you."

I've heard your pathetic routine many times before. I don't play your games.

You "don't play my games", Denise?

What, pray tell, is the "game" involved with asking where (or if) you attended college? Three people have asked you very nicely to detail your academic credentials, as you have demanded and subsequently criticized the credentials of others.

It would appear to me to be a relatively straightforward, unambiguous question. And yet...you appear to be unwilling to share information that you DEMAND of others.

Is this double standard another facet of your "Do as I say, not as I did" (i.e. "Abstinence for thee but not for me" and "Abortion for me but not for thee") personal philsophy? If so, why on Earth should ANYONE take you seriously?

I'll state again for the record that I have serious doubts that you ever attended, much less graduated, college.

Prove me wrong.

I don't blame Denise for keeping private information. If jokers like you know her schools you can determine who she is. Dangerous on here!
The "coffees" are about due to have a blow up in my opinion. Too many ignoramuses on here to avoid it very long.

Can we get unstuck from the racial thing? I could care less who is black or white on here.

As to the perpetual complaining by some about what has happened to races over the last 150 years, that would be important if the Irish, the Scots, the Italians, the Hungarians, the Jews, the Asians, and others griped about it all of the time---but they usually don't. The Holocaust is the only thing that bother the Jews, and the Trail of Tears for the American Indians!
Everybody just jump out of the past and work for the future. It will be evident if you do.

I was both JeffC and Jeffc. I have no explanation as to how the "C" changed case therefore I am blaming the Republicans. My personal belief as of today is that Cheney wanted to corner all the upper case "C's" for himself much like he is trying to corner all of the oil. Since I got it back, you will be relieved to know that I have no intention of demanding a Congressional investigation. Nevertheless, having given him that break, you can be sure that I will be keeping a close eye on it until both he and President Bush leave office.

BTW: I am not now and never have been either sniffles or Steve Brown.

BTW II: George Washington University, 3.83

And for the record, I've never been either Jeffc or JeffC as well!

BTW, this "plagiarism" charge that Denise the Uneducated likes to throw around? I thought it might be fun to use Denise's technique against her and Git (i.e. "borrow" some controversial verbiage..in this case I "borrowed" your absolutely dead-on parataxic distortion post, use it to criticize someone and then when someone criticizes me in turn I can squeal indignantly that *I* never said such a thing, someone ELSE did).

But I found out that, unlike the cowardly Denise, I like to stand behind my own words. I'm still trying to decide if Denise's major disorder is Parataxic Distortion or Narcisstic Personality Disorder...leaning toward the latter.

Feel free to use the parataxic distortion phraseology. However, I would like to know why you have concluded that that your decision requires an “either/or” solution. What is the basis for your assuming some type of mutual exclusivity?

And what was your degree in?

"Fine '89" is a chant the Class of '89 greeted upper classmen with. I'm surprised your searches didn't reveal that.

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)

I knew Obama would win N.C. I am from there. The state is known to be a Democrat state.

Thank God I don't live there.

All my relatives voted for Hillary. They said they are trying to get Obama out, so Hillary will win and then McCain will be President.

I could have told you yesterday, he would win N.C.

It was a little rude of him to leave Penn. without saying thank you, no just packed up and moved on. What if he had won? Those people are not crazy.

He knew better to say that in N.C. what he said in Penn. I can assure you those mountain people and back wood folk would not take it.

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I knew Obama would win N.C. I am from there. The state is known to be a Democrat state.

It's been a Republican red-state since 1968, with the one exception of Carter in 1976. That means out of the last 10 elections, they have ONCE voted for a Democrat and haven't voted for another in 30+ years. The Dems from NC in the legislature are probably more conservative than present-day Repubs also.

America - Love it, or leave it.

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Barack Obama is the personification of a wolf in sheep's clothing.

The Perverse Worship of a man

When you can't post a thought, post a slogan.

to "the beav"...he WAS posting a thought. Keep the faith

Even a dead fish can go with the flow.

The depth of your thoughts... musing about dead fish. Just astounding!

You probably should have paid attention in those classes you attended. Where have you ever shown any comprehension of the complex interplay between all of the elements of power. Your solution was to go to war in a region where the four previous Presidents looked at te situation and deferred because the inevitable quagmire was so apparent almost anyone could foresee the disastorous comsequences.

Even Cheney knew this is 1994.

CHENEY: "IRAQ WAR A QUAGMIRE" IN 1994

Richard Perle: "The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity," Perle says now, adding that total defeat—an American withdrawal that leaves Iraq as an anarchic "failed state"—is not yet inevitable but is becoming more likely. "And then," says Perle, "you'll get all the mayhem that the world is capable of creating."

Who does Perle blame? The devastating dysfunction within the administration of President George W. Bush. "The decisions did not get made that should have been. They didn't get made in a timely fashion, and the differences were argued out endlessly.… At the end of the day, you have to hold the president responsible.”

Ken Adleman, who famously said: “I believe demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk” now says: "I just presumed that what I considered to be the most competent national-security team since Truman was indeed going to be competent. They turned out to be among the most incompetent teams in the post-war era. Not only did each of them, individually, have enormous flaws, but together they were deadly, dysfunctional."

Neo Culpa

I could go on and on as you well know. Yet when someone writes, “never in my life seen a greater foreign policy debacle”, your response is “it merely proves how totally clueless you really are.” Really? Who is clueless here?

No, here is your problem trax; you supported this war from the beginning, against the advice and experience of people who correctly cautioned against it and now that it has turned into the disaster that so many predicted you cannot admit it was a mistake because that would mean that you would have admit that for all your education and training you supported the greatest foreign policy disaster in the history of the United States which has real and terrible consequences for US soldiers. And you did this when better minds were analyzing the situation and predicting the outcome with much more precision than you.

Bluster all you want, brag about your courage, tell us how simple minded we all are.

“Here endeth the lesson.” What a load!

Please, until you can point to at least one correct decision you have ever made in the matter, spare us the sanctimoniousness.

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It is one thing to show a man that he is in an error, and another to put him in possession of the truth. John Locke

If, as you said, "almost anyone could see the diasater" ahead, then why did Congress vote to go to war? Stop now, before you run youself into an ever decreasing logic circle that implodes. The sheer ignorance of your argument is breathtaking.

Worst ever foreign policy debacle? Not even close. And history proves it.

Further, you assume too much. You clain that I "supported this war from the beginning!" Somehow, with absolutely no proof, you jump to the conclusion that I supported the war going in. Whereas my War College treatise espoused the Wienberger doctrine and cautioned AGAINST using military power after America became the world's lone superpower. Because when you resort to using that military trump card, the world perceives you as a bully.

But that's OK, 'cause at least you stuck to your liberal talking points.

True, the elder Bush did not take Baghdad because he knew it would set up Iran as the regional hegemon. And look who is doing all of the sabre rattling today. Iran.

My point was, "We are where we are". What is next? Offer a solution instead of pointing fingers of blame. All you accomplished above was annointing yourself as Leader of the Bush derangement circle jerk. Congratulations.

Anybody got a new tune?

From the other side of the tracks

I'd love to read your War College treatise about Iraq. Will you post it for us?

I have no desire to be associated with Bush's derangement circle. You obviously deserve to belong there far more than I.

is over thirty pages and is too lengthy to be posted here. It had nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. It was written pre-9/11.

It merely put forth the idea that after the fall of the Berlin Wall, America, as a lone superpower, must be very cautious about resorting to the use of military power to achieve its national interests. After the demise of the Soviet Union as a peer power, I suggested we needed to adjust our foreign policy and place more emphasis on the political, diplomatic, and economic elements of national power as a means of achieving our goals. Essentially, my treatise stated that when a lone superpower resorts to the use of military power, it has essentially admitted that it is out of options. And when it chooses to use that military power unilaterally, that nation will become an international pariah. (Kind of prophetic, eh?) That's it in a nutshell.
The Weinberger doctrine suggests that military power should only be used as a last result. When the miltary option is used, it must be used with overwhelming force (something Rumsfeld failed to do). I place the blame for our current situation squarely on the shoulders of Rumsfeld, whose "my way or the highway" arrogance put us on the battlefield with less than half of the forces needed to do the job. Pre-war, when the Army Chief of Staff, General Shinseki publicly suggested it would take "several hundred thousand" troops to do the job, Rumsfeld cut him off at the knees by publicly announcing Shinseki's successor 18 months before his 4 yr tour of duty was due to end. History has shown Shinseki was right. We needed to go in with overwhelming force (and secure all of the weapons stockpiles). But we did not have enough forces on the ground to take care of all of the captured Iraqis and all of the weapons stockpiles. All of the unguarded weapons stockpiles opened the door to the insurgency we are fighting today. As I see it, Rumsfeld has the blood of many young Americans on his hands. Bush’s greatest error was failing to fire Rumsfeld 3 years earlier than he did. Bushed placed loyalty to Rumsfeld above the interests of the nation. That will be remembered as Bush’s worst sin.

I do believe we needed to change the Iraqi regime. The death of Saddam was a good thing. But we cannot expect to change the culture of an ancient society overnight. I seriously question the merit of attemting to creat a democracy there in the first place. Thousands of years of tribalism cannot turn on a dime and become an instant democracy. It will take generations for that society to evolve into something better. And the American public has no patience for that. That is the ultimate tragedy here.

No matter who gets elected in November, America will not immediately pull out of Iraq. Even if it is Obama, watch and wait. I guarantee you the election rhetoric will be replaced with a softening of his position as the reality of inevitable Iraq chaos erupts, and the fact that no leader ever wants to be the one responsible for defeat.
We will be in Iraq for a long time. Admittedly, our military is not the solution. It is merely a stepping stone toward something better for the Iraqi people and the region. Only time will tell.

Well trax, somewhere a seal is breaking because I agree with your synopsis above (except I believe the doctrine of overwhelming force was the "Powell Doctrine", not the "Weinberger Doctrine" but that's a minor quibble.

Let's talk about why we went into Iraq. The easy answers:

1 "Oil", which while that had a definite impact on Mr. Cheney's friends' profit margins, was NOT the primary reason.

2. "Saddam killed xxx amount of people". No doubt he did, a great many of them Iranians and/or an armed Kurd rebellion. Don't think for a minute that Dubya wouldn't use deadly force if, say, every Native American in America began to systematically blow up every pipeline in America. Having said that, I still don't believe this was the primary reason.

3. "WMDs". This was the stated reason, clear and present danger and all that. Hindsight has shown this to be false.

4. "Control over the Iraqi pipeline". Now we're getting somewhere! Very few people realize the vast majority of Iraqi oil is sold and consumed in the European Union. Controlling Iraqi oil gives the United States a huge impact in EU energy policy (with the notable exception of France, which has a huge nuclear power footprint). Still, that's not the primary reason.

5. "Strategic bases". Bingo. This, in my opinion, is why we went to Iraq. The Saudis essentially kicked us out of their country (Prince Sultan airbase) because while the corrupt ruling class tolerated foreigners in the remote wastelands, the general population did not. (Think of it this way...would America tolerate a large Red China military base in, say, North Dakota?) The Prince Sultan airbase essentially gave credibility to the likes of Osama Bin Laden, who fanned the flames of Saudi Nationalist resentment to further his cause.

The American government evidently feels the need to establish permanent strategic basing in the middle east. Iraq was the "easy" choice, as Saddam was a regional pariah post-Kuwait.

Sniffles, I agree with you about the long-term strategic basing being the most logical motivation behind our invasion of Iraq. I also agree with 90% of what Trax said, except that I don't think we needed to change the Iraqi regime. We were enforcing the UN resolutions, and the Iraqi regime was dying a slow death. We should have bided our time and let Saddam's regime fall from internal forces. That's my opinion, but Trax, I'd be interested in what you think about that. I just wish you had started off with your summary above, instead of attacking Hack's personal integrity. It sounds like your treatise was right on the money.

of 4,000+ dead U.S. troops"

I agree that the need for "strategic bases" was a driving force for Bush and the neocons to invade Iraq.

The plan for a longterm U.S. presence in Iraq is underway as the Bush administration pushes for $5 billion, 5-year plan to transform Baghdad's 'Green Zone' into a Disney-like development, complete with luxury hotels, a Tigris riverfront shopping district and an amusement park.

While the U.S. infrastructure continues to crumble, and government funded entities like our hospitals and schools flounder, we can look forward to watching our tax dollars being funneled to Iraq to build shopping centers and high-rise condo complexes.

There are private developers who are already getting in on the action during this early phase of development. I wonder what incentive$ our government gave them?

"Last week, a Los Angeles-based holding company for equity firms, C3, confirmed it was starting a $500 million project to build an amusement park on the outskirts of the Green Zone in an area encompassing the Baghdad Zoo. The first phase, a skateboard park, is scheduled to open this summer."

Nothing says 'capitalism and democracy' like an amusement and skateboard park. Can you skateboard in a burkha?

Looks like McSame will be getting his wish of staying in Iraq for another 50-100 years….and in luxury too.

PENTAGON PUSHING GREEN ZONE PLAN

DISNEYLAND' COMES TO BAGHDAD - WAR PROFITEERS

Weinberger doctrine asserts that military power should only be used as a last resort.

Powell adopted Caspar Weinberger's doctrine (by accepting the principle above) and created his own version (the Powell doctrine) asserting that whenever we resort to the use of military force, we must use overwhelming force.

I really don't believe Bush made the decision to go into Iraq for long term basing reasons. That may be a consequence, but not the real reason.

I wish I knew the real reason.

From the other side of the tracks

Good treatise, trax. Hope you got an "A" for that one:)

I'd go with #5 above anything else on Sniffle's list. The rest were probably viewed as side benefits, but I have no doubt and it was pretty much stated by Weyerich and other neo-cons that establishing a heavy Middle east presence was going to be a great thing for the USA. While the WMD made a great cover since everyone knew Iraq hadn't hesitated to use chemical weapons against the Kurds and Iran and Saddaam stupidly made a lot of noise about WMD, all of that was more for convincing the public that Iraq was a direct threat to American and world interests and "oh yeah, don't forget AL-QUADIA!" That was the sizzle that sold the steak.

As far as how the invasion was initiated and carried out, Rumsfeld blew it. Right in the middle of his big implementation of changing the military into a lighter-weight, more mobile strike force designed for a different type of combat, here comes an occupation instead of a sustained ground war with clearly recognizable goals as well as enemies. I'd argue that US forces have never been designed to be an occupation-style force to begin with, but Rumsfeld's big plan of "modernizing" came at the exact wrong time.

I believe that you are entertaining too much bitterness. I suggest that you get out more, enjoy the fruits of this wonderful life. True, you did not ask for my opinion, but since you felt justified in placing this post on the world wide web, I feel justified in letting you know what a regular nondiscript citizen's reaction to it is.

What, you "nondescript"? No way. Not with a name like carbonunit52. I've read some of your postings. Extremely liberal. Sorry, but I'm not taking your emotional bait.

What, me bitter? Not at all. I am truly enjoying the fruits of my labor and have found a great second career. Further, as a triathlon competitor, golfer, swimmer, and tennis player, I get out a lot.

Just taking a fellow officer to task for his blatant hypocrisy.

If I were really bitter, I'd print off all of his anti-Bush postings and forward them to his current chain of command. The military is a very small world.

From the other side of the tracks

Maybe you can get the military to handle your problem of not being able to silence views you don't agree with.

I doubt it though. I expect they'd just tell you deal the angst yourself.

because I would use raw meat and gunpowder if that was my intention. Consider my suggestion of getting out more as a metaphor for getting out of the exoskeloten of self-rightousness that you have formed around yourself.

They don't like conservatives on here. They will all gang up on you, very few of us conservatives post, they can't run us off.

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But as you can tell, I'm am not intimidated. I just tell it like it is.

Peace through STRENGTH!

From the other side of the tracks

Other_side, if you were really as well-educated as you claim, you would fully realize that the current war in Iraq was not initiated because of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that Saddam had killed, nor was it done as a result of any imminent threat from weapons of mass destruction. I don't know what Bush's real motivations were, but there was no intelligence on any WMD program that would support the need for an invasion, and I am 100% certain that Bush was not doing it just to free the Iraqi people from an tyrant. At the time, I thought it was a very bad idea, but I didn't think it was for the oil. Now, I'm not so sure. It seems that the intent was to establish a large, permanent military footprint in the Middle East. If Iraq had been the cakewalk that Rumsfeld expected, I'm sure we would have started leaning towards attacking Iran.

Your cheap shot at Hack is just that--a cheap shot. He certainly hasn't made any statements on this website that would dishonor his uniform. His criticism of the Bush administration are absolutely tame compared to some of the criticisms of Bill Clinton that I heard coming from people in uniform during the Monica Lewinski affair. Why is it that right-wingers seem to always attack their opponents' character, rather than just the issues. That's what you are trying to do to Hack.

All in all, I'd have to say that YOU are the hypocrite here.

From your posting above, it is obvious you can't define it. So I'll help you out. Being a hypocrite means saying one thing and doing the opposite. Like being a military officer but publicly bashing the Commander in Chief. That's hypocrisy.

Call me a hypocrite all you want. But you have not given any examples of anything I have done that is hypocritical.

So, if you just want to call me a bad name because you don't agree with me, please use a term you know and can define. Or else your argument lacks credability.

Congrats, by the way, you just annointed yourself as another member of the Bush derangement circle jerk.

From the other side of the tracks

YOU are blowing smoke about your military expertise, yet slamming Hack for his mentioning his military status.

By the way, I too am retired military. I've got about 5000 flying hours, most of them over Iraq. I suppose that's not as good as writing multiple long essays about the theory of war, but there you go. We each do what we are good at. You seem to be good at blowing smoke. Go ahead and blow.

No smoke being blown at all. No bragg, just fact.

And there is absolutley no hypocrisy in the way I did it. I did it to establish my expertise and support the basis of my argument.
Do you seriously believe Hack would take advice on this topic from someone without credentials?

I am slamming Hack for being a hypocrite - that is, currently serving as a Reserve Officer, while simultaneously making contemptuous statements about his chain of command.

Only a fool takes that kind of risk. Hack believes he is being courageous and exercising his free speech rights as a "citizen". I believe he is being stupid by blatantly violating Article 88, because he is also violating his responsibility as a military officer and the oath he took VOLUNTARILY.

From the other side of the tracks

"We were only following orders" have any meaning to you, trax? Just a question. Keep the faith

Even a dead fish can go with the flow.

United We Stand! We are not leaving.

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since you have studied all the aspects of these sort of situations...How do you determine which HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of innocent civilians justify going to war over? Keep the faith

Even a dead fish can go with the flow.

for the war - including Hillary Clinton? It was a good enough cause for Congress. Spare me the benefit of your 20/20 hindsight and your weak, drive-by retorts, yardman. They lack depth.

From the other side of the tracks

you misunderstand. Actually, I know it was Congress that voted to allow the administration to pursue its aims in Iraq...Including Hillary. What I was seeking is your expertise from your studies as to what criteria were used to make the determination when intervention was the appropriate response to the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. Come on, trax...this is your chance to enlighten Hack and I. Inquiring minds want to know. Keep the faith

Even a dead fish can go with the flow.

So, do you agree with the comments of Obama's MENTOR, the ir-rev Wright? Are you a Code Pink-O member?

What's your source to back up "hundreds of thousands," and how do you define "innocent"?

How do you define "civilians" as it relates to the current war?

How does any war prevent the deaths of civilians 100%?

Are you saying that our military targeted civilians?

How do you justify "the murder of hundreds of thousands [MILLIONS, actually] of innocent" BABIES? What have you done to end the war against the pre-born, who truly are innocent? Please "enlighten" us.

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8-week fetus ("young one") -- Only 30-32 more weeks to go!

A person's a person, no matter how small!

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take a dang pill...I was repeating what other_side_trax stated in his rant against Hack and I was merely trying to tap his expertise on foreign affairs to find the criteria for defending victims with our military. Now, unless you have a graduate degree from a military institution (something I very much doubt) or you have spent a number of years studying the topic as trax has, kindly allow us to have an exchange of ideas without adding your own particular rant about murdered innocent babies. Start you own blog topic.

Even a dead fish can go with the flow.

I got to you, didn't I? You're losing your usual calm demeanor.

What pill did you have in mind? Cyanide, maybe?

I'm not stopping you from having "an exchange of ideas," and you can't stop me from commenting. Stop your whining!

You derailed for a moment, Denise.

1. Trax suggested we went into Iraq to prevent more people from being killed by Saddam, Denise.

2. Yard is suggesting that there must be a number of persons being killed by their government (read Central and sub Saharan Africa) that may justify us going to war in other parts of the world.

PUNCHLINE: Yard is wondering why we are not in Rawanda if we go to war to save civilians being killed by government forces.

Are you back with us, Denise?

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)

Denise will buy that line, I come in peace.

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What's a dang pill? I have never had one. Do you have to take them daily Why do you have to take them Yardman? Please let us know.

Denise don't need a dang pill, she gets to all of you because she is so intelligent.

I don't have to take dang pills either.
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she is such a frickin nutter.

'dang pills' and 'frickin nutter(s)'

lordy, lordy....this is fun

gotta admit it is accurate....

"gotta admit it is accurate....

Totally accurate.

You learn quickly, young Jedi.

You take dang pills also?

Yardman is the one that said it.

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What words in your vocabulary. We will have to get Dr. Muddle to teach you some fancy words.

Got to you, she's way too smart for you.

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I don't have to jump on the "prove it" bandwagon. I am pretty confident in who I am and what I "know". Denise doesn't remotely impress me as intelligent. Scary, freaky, obsessive yes...intelligent, no. Oh yeah, she is far brighter than you, but then again......hmmm.

BOO!

?

Even a dead fish can go with the flow.

Now, I know why you are for Obama.

You can't tell me what a dang pill is?

I think Obama could.

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The "personal military photo?" That is my father, Al King. He is a 20 year Air Force veteran (logistics officer), and the mayor of Goldsboro, N.C. Having an excellent relationship with Seymour Johnson AFB, they gave him a ride in the "tub" of a Mud Hen. That picture is good ole' pops, doing what he probably should have made a career out of; flying instead of working.

Kevin "Hack" King

ps: My dad also supports Obama, and he refused the offer to speak at a Hillary Clinton rally sponsored by former President Bill Clinton. Go figure.
(anyone want two dogs???)

Expect my call. Of course you will be too scared to answer.

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Just wanted you to know, I will call you when I find the right time.
You are going to answer aren't you? Saying I scare you, that was just another insult about me calling you, so that gives me another reason to call. We need to talk. Probably this weekend since your home.

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Please answer your cell phone, I tried to call you. I left you a message and will try again later.

Have a nice day.

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Maybe this is okay with him, however, you should leave people alone on this blog. You are sounding like a stalker.

Did I ask for you to respond to me, or did I ask for your advice?
Stalker?

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Just read a few entries up from here.

I do not at all mind you calling me. But if you want a call back, you can't block your number. How am I supposed to call "private" back. If you want a back and forth, you'll at least have to give your number up.

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)

I am so sorry I hurt your Main friend.

My number was blocked? Your kidding? Now, why would I do that?

You haven't had a good day it seems, and I don't want to upset you because of your Main friend.

I will call when you have calmed down over Main. Your kinda on the edge if I offend Main.

Maybe email would be better.

What I had to talk to you about won't help when you are in this mood.

I'll call on a happy day for you and Main. When will that be for Main? Who does all the name calling. You might be in the Main frame of mind and start name calling, that would not be good, since you like my company.

I'll see when you are in a good mood and then call with my number on it. Deal????? BTW What is this big defense for Main????

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When you read my posts, read like it is medical or legal; no emotion at all; just read the words and take them at face value. This has been a great day and I'm in a good mood. My teenaged daughter made it home again last night. My boys have been princes. The Delta Block Party was not rained out! Josh Graclin and his band were awesome! The band, Georgia Peach, was awesome! The food was F R E E !!! I met my new neighbors who are, well.... Awesome! So, basically, above I was pointing out that you often answer posts not to you. I do the same thing. But if we do what we do, we can't really complain when other people do it; know what I mean?

Also, to actually get me riled, you'll have to attack my family, say that I enjoy hacking up little babies, or turn my sprinklers on during the day, getting me busted by the code cops. Call whenever.

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)

I guess that is the problem with me, I had better watch what I say. Emotions play a big part of my personality. I think my mom who is in heaven,(I miss her) taught me compassion more than anything by some circumstances that had happened in her life.

I have a sister that would be great on her she would love to rip some people. We all have different personalities and sometimes it may seem like someone is insulting me, maybe they are and maybe they are not. I do know that some are not fond of me, yeah that bothers me, but I will be the bigger person, I don't dislike them, and honestly I don't. So, they can feel free to say whatever.

If I do answer for someone else it's that I feel like they are not getting treated with respect. You have to agree it gets a little out of hand. I don't like people being attacked or things being said to belittle them, that is rude and it hurts that person. Am I perfect, by no means.

I will call you, I can't right now, maybe tomorrow. I have a million things to do for preschool and my other job for the company I do at home. It's like I work full-time, just odd hours. I am here with my son who is in the 9th grade, he is our priority. I am thankful that I can spend time with him and keep close ties on what he is doing.

Also, I can't call right now, a little emotional, I do feel deeply for people that hurt and it would not be a conversation where I could say much about things. I am truly sorry for you, your wife, Muddle's wife, Hutch's sister. I met Hutch. He was a nice guy, spoke highly of you as did Penguin. The others had left when we were talking about you.

I said I would call you because you had put except BPR she scares me.
That is why I am calling to discuss some things. I don't like to be at odds with people, that's who I am, life is too short.

Hey, now be honest, I did surprise you with my call didn't I?

Have a nice evening.

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"Hey, now be honest, I did surprise you with my call didn't I?"

No. Not at all.

cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King
(anyone want two dogs???)

My phone call was really scary wasn't it?

I'll fix my phone right now, just let me know the main time when you want the call.

Have a nice evening.

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I know you spoke only kind words about me and Denise.

I have to say you did sound pleasant on your voice mail.
Just like we could do what the song at the bottom of my post says.

Have a nice evening.

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you mentioned 'Main' eight times in one post. What's up bpr?

Are you self-destructing again?

(we don't want to witness that again, so pls. chill out)

You never answered his question directly, beeps. Why did you block your number in the first place?
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True, as an Air Force Reserve Officer, Hack has more lattitude to express himself than active duty military members. Hack can even run for political office if he wants.

However, as a currently serving Air Force Reserve Officer, he must maintain a certain degree of respect and decorum toward his chain of command which includes his Commander-in-Chief, the President of the United States.

He has the right to disagree with the President. However, public bashing of the Commander-in-Chief is taboo. And he has engaged in it vociferously and repeatedly (while touting his military status). Hack has completely failed to maintain a respectful demeanor with his comments, and he knows it. Hack's comments have gone WAY OVER the LINE. Simple as that.

And his choice of AF A-10 as a blog name touts his military status while simultaneously bashing the President. My point is, in the blogosphere, Hack's activities are tantamount to appearing in military uniform at a political rally, which is taboo.

From the other side of the tracks

Really?

I don't think you are Hack. I think they wanted Hack to answer.

Really he's not?

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I think it was Trax who wanted an answer, not you. Really? Really.

You are correct, Beeps, I am not Hack. You are very astute.
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