Stormwater 101: Lessons on what PTC is facing and why

Tue, 01/10/2006 - 5:02pm
By: The Citizen

By BETSY TYLER

Peachtree City residents have been hearing about stormwater lately, and it seems we’re going to be hearing a lot more in the coming months. There’s talk about a “utility,” and “$9 million in capital improvement projects,” and my personal favorite, the “NPDES Phase II Permit and NOI.”

I confess that, when I’ve been at City Council meetings featuring stormwater presentations, my eyes glaze over and I start wondering how many holes are in the ceiling tiles.

Then I had to go to a meeting on stormwater public education. Unfortunately, I found myself a little behind on the subject. I posed what I thought were reasonable questions to help me get up to speed: What do we need a Phase II permit for? When did we get the Phase I Permit? Why don’t we just forget the whole permit idea? It wasn’t good; I hate it when engineers laugh at me.

So we had another, more remedial meeting for my benefit, and I reviewed all the presentations and position papers from the past two years. For those who don’t really want all the technical details, I thought I’d share what I learned.

I’ll start with a bit of school nostalgia. Remember the water cycle diagram from science class? A little cloud drops rain (precipitation), then the water soaks into the ground on its way to a stream (infiltration), where it rises back into the atmosphere (evaporation), turns into a cloud (condensation), and starts all over again. Sure, there are more arrows and ‘ations, but those are the basics.

Then the government got involved. Apparently, there is a growing problem with the infiltration part of the water cycle.

People have been constructing all these buildings, parking lots, streets, and paths — all important elements of a community, but they cover large sections of ground that used to soak up rainwater, and the part that doesn’t soak in is “stormwater runoff.” Aha, I’ve heard that term before!

Lesson 1: Stormwater runoff is basically any rain that doesn’t soak into the ground.

The result is the Federal Clean Water Act, which requires local governments to manage stormwater. The good news is that the city already has a stormwater management program.

For decades, the city has required developers to install stormwater runoff control elements as they build neighborhoods and sites — pipes under the roads, retention and detention ponds, etc. — and to leave much of the natural drainage system undisturbed so stormwater can flow naturally.

Because Peachtree City is so young, and because we have so much greenspace, we’re actually in pretty good shape compared to a lot of cities.

Unfortunately, we’re reaching an age when some of the early structures need replacement, while more runoff is being added from newer parts of town, and from development upstream in Tyrone and Fairburn.

Heavy storms in 2004 and 2005 added to the problem, requiring emergency repairs for collapsing culverts under roads and private land flooding due to older structures failing. Funding for these repairs had to come from other programs or projects. And about $9 million in other drainage system repairs are needed — that we know of.

Lesson 2: Stormwater Management is not new to Peachtree City, but we’re facing problems we’ve never had to face before.

So, we have a program in place, but the basic costs are rising every year as the city ages. And the new federal requirements will further increase these costs.

In 1993, the Clean Water Act required communities of 100,000-plus people to meet certain requirements in managing stormwater runoff (Phase I). In 2003, those requirements extended to communities with populations between 10,000 and 100,000 (Phase II). That includes Peachtree City.

And guess what: It turns out that these “permits” aren’t like building permits, and you can’t just say, “Never mind.” Each community has to file a Notice of Intent (NOI) with the Georgia Environmental Protection Division (EPD) saying they will comply with the Clean Water Act by managing stormwater runoff and meeting the requirements. Our revised program must be fully operational by the end of 2006.

Now, back to my question: what happens if we just scrap the whole thing? Bottom line, it can still cost even more money.

Although it is a last resort, the EPD can fine communities that do not comply up to $100,000 per day. The Metropolitan North Georgia Water Planning District can add fines to that. The EPD can also affect our sewer bills; they issue permits to the Water and Sewerage Authority (WASA) for treated wastewater that goes into local streams. If we don’t manage our stormwater runoff, EPD can increase WASA’s treatment requirements, and the additional costs will be passed on in our sewer bills.

Poor stormwater management also leads to silt buildup in our lakes and streams, requiring projects like Fayette County’s dredging of Lake Peachtree last year.

More importantly, not managing stormwater affects our quality of life. Most Peachtree City residents enjoy walking or golf carting along beautiful streams and scenic lakeshores. Now picture the same outing, but with clogged streams, no wildlife, and dead trees. We’ve lost our refuge, our home values drop, and suddenly we’re just like a lot of other areas around Atlanta.

Lesson 3: Stormwater management isn’t optional.

As I mentioned, our plan to meet the new requirements must be fully operational by the end of 2006. The Engineering Department has been working on that plan so that we can stay in good standing with the EPD and maintain the quality of life that Peachtree City citizens expect.

Our first step will be to inventory our existing drainage system, assess its condition, and develop a maintenance plan to keep it in good working order. Then staff will be better able to identify undesirable runoff (illicit discharges), track where it is coming from, and stop the problem.

This can include industrial pollutants, restaurant grease, auto repair and car wash runoff, even grass clippings and leaves dumped in a drainage culvert. All these affect the quality of water passing through Peachtree City.

Of course, the new tasks will require more staff time. Both Engineering and Public Works will need additional employees to inspect, plan, repair, and maintain our stormwater system and meet our permit requirements. There are also those $9 million in repair projects, approximately 40 in all, with about two-thirds of those categorized as “priority.”

All of this costs money. Staff estimates about $1 million per year will be needed for stormwater management to meet the requirements of our permit and obtain financing for the priority repairs. This is primarily money the city has not budgeted in the past.

Lesson 4: Stormwater Management isn’t cheap.

So, that is the overview of Peachtree City’s stormwater management program as it stands today (and I never used the word “impervious”). Now the city, like every other Phase II community, must decide how to pay for managing stormwater.

One option is the formation of a stormwater utility, with funding dedicated exclusively to stormwater. City staff will be presenting this concept to the mayor and council for discussion at a workshop on Thursday, Jan. 12, 2006, at 6 p.m. in the City Council chambers. The public is invited to attend.

The Peachtree City Engineering Department also has more information posted on the City’s Web site at www.peachtree-city.org (select “Stormwater Utility/ Stormwater Management” on the main page) for anyone wanting those technical details I left out.

Betsy Tyler is the public information officer for Peachtree City.

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Submitted by questionable101 on Wed, 01/18/2006 - 6:20pm.

Thank you for such a clear and relatively concise (any less info and I would be lost) explanation on the Storm water issue. Keep up the good work!! Wish you had done this back in September and October when all kinds of comments were flying around - it would have stifled quite a few.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 8:57am.

I did say these things back then in these forums. They were said at the Stormwater Meetings. And the bulk of what was said is on the PTC government site.

But, it did not stifle many of the nay sayers.

And look now, Highgreen109 still will not accept the realities of history, need or anything else.

You guys were warned that costs (taxes and fees) were going up regardless of what the campaigns said. And now there are two knowns on the table plus a new one, trash, right out of the gate.

You guys didn't want to hear it or accept it back then. Now my turn to say, "I told you so."


Submitted by Sailon on Thu, 01/19/2006 - 8:44am.

Just do it, if necessary (forget the feds), with the money you have! No. With LESS money than you have. Stop gouging us to pay salaries.

Submitted by Reality Bytes on Wed, 01/11/2006 - 10:31pm.

Hey, this article almost makes sense. But the question is...how do we pay for all this stuff?

Why can't taxes just go up? It seems to me that would just be the simplest way to handle an issue that affects everyone.

PTC Guy, where are you when we need you?

Ugh.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sat, 01/14/2006 - 11:30pm.

Hello, again.

A Utility is better than a tax because a tax goes into the general fund and can be shifted to whatever when ever by Council vote.

A Utility must be used for that specified service and allows for better funding and such options at lower rate over a longer period of time.

It is the same principal used as in water and sewage utilities.

It spreads the impact out so you don't go screaming when you see your bills. And it allows for more needed work to get done faster.

As I said before, if you remember. There is a lot of work well past due that needs done now.

Remember, a facet of the Federal Law and such is that there must be specified dedicated workers doing this job and this job alone.

Time and experience has shown if not thus required the work does not get done because workers and money end up elsewhere, such as recreation.

The permits have long been filed. Mapping, collecting job sites, priorizing and such has long been going on.

My last information was there was over 100 jobs know, 66 prioritized with a good number, maybe that 40 number, being very high priority.

This Utility is ready for funding, manning and getting to work now.

Remember, this is ongoing work and we are in the beginning years of it. The work load will grow, not shrink, over time.

But for the core of your quetion, using taxes is not the way to go.

Hope that helps.


Submitted by Sailon on Sun, 01/15/2006 - 8:39am.

It does not help! Any cost added to the water and sewer bills now approaching $100 per month is too costly.
It is obvious that we let the developers screw us again.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sun, 01/15/2006 - 10:06am.

It does not help! Any cost added to the water and sewer bills now approaching $100 per month is too costly.
First, it does not add the the water and sewage bill since those are separate utilities. Unless the do a unified bill for two utilities.

Second, it will be in the general range of $2-8.00 per home with most being around $4.00 per month. So, an increase indeed, but not as earth shattering as some fear.

Third, it is going to happen. Has to.

It is obvious that we let the developers screw us again.

Time to again deal with this thinking.

First, some developer did bad work that PTC signed off on. Thank both of them for those problems.

Second, even if work is put in perfectly it has a lifespan. It does not last forever as some think it should or would. So you really need to get that thought out of your head.

CMP (coated metal pipe) has a life of 20 to 25 years. Then it needs replaced.

Looking at the age of various parts of PTC, do the math yourself.

And along the way they need cleaning at times.

Ditches do not stay as is. They need cleaning and dredging at times.

Retention and detention ponds can collect silt. So they need cleaned and dredged at time.

Bottom line is stormwater systems need maintenance. Inescapable.

PTC is so far overdue in many areas it is sad. I know one place alone that is 19 years overdue.


Submitted by Sailon on Sun, 01/15/2006 - 11:46am.

Didn't intend to say more but, me thinks thou dost protest too much for a reason, maybe.
If you think just because it may be a seperate charge from the water bill it isn't a charge of course you are covering. If you think it is going to happen in spite of our wishes, maybe not. Just do it a little at a time with current crews.
Developers not responsible, get it out of my head? No, I wont. There is a future also you know. Sometime we will have to stop artificially raising the price of homes here and we will have to live on our income. Thousands of towns do.

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Submitted by PTC Guy on Sun, 01/15/2006 - 5:06pm.

Didn't intend to say more but, me thinks thou dost protest too much for a reason, maybe.
Not sure what your point is since I did not protest anything. I just tried to help clear up some points.

Maybe a bit of misunderstand.

If you think just because it may be a seperate charge from the water bill it isn't a charge of course you are covering.
I didn't say it was not a charge. I simply clarified that it is not part of the water and sewage. Nothing more

Good grief, I even stated rates and that it would get charged.
If you think it is going to happen in spite of our wishes, maybe not.
Feds and Georgia say it is going to happen in spite of your wishes. Such mandates are not debatable.

Just do it a little at a time with current crews.
First, PTC is bound by law to have dedicated workers for this next year. Not an option. Feds and State are not asking, they are telling.

Second, that approach has failed over time. And is the reason there are 66 priortized high set jobs in line right now. And is the reason the costs to get all done are now over $9.1 million.

Developers not responsible, get it out of my head? No, I wont.
I said developers on past issues and PTC were equally responsible. Developers did it wrong and PTC signed off as completed correctly.

But I also noted even those things done perfectly need ongoing maintenance and CMP pipe have 20 to 25 year life spans. Blaming anyone on these point you need to get out of your head, because it is simply a false premise to get mad about.

There is a future also you know.
I agree. And stricter code have been being enforce. For which developers are screaming about increased construction cost.

But, to get it right to begin with, does cost more.

Sometime we will have to stop artificially raising the price of homes here and we will have to live on our income. Thousands of towns do.
Here, I agree totally.

But this issue would have to do with things other than stormwater. Stormwater is infrastucture that even in very rural areas they have to deal with. Stormwater is also a county issue.


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