Will Clayton students flood Fayette schools?

Tue, 03/25/2008 - 4:05pm
By: Ben Nelms

Will Clayton students flood Fayette schools?

Sup’t. DeCotis: ‘Once floodgates are open ... I don’t know how we’d pay for it’

The debacle in Clayton County over its public school system losing accreditation might have an affect across county lines, depending on the outcome of the recently passed Senate Bill 458 and its trip through the Georgia House.

Fayette School System Superintendent John DeCotis said Monday such legislation would not bode well for local taxpayers who will bear much of the expense beyond what state funding provides.

“If this bill is passed and signed into law, Fayette County Schools may be required to enroll students from Clayton if the district loses its accreditation on Sept. 1,” DeCotis said.

“This legislation could have a monumental impact over time on Fayette’s school system if it is also required to accept students from failing schools,” DeCotis said. “Unless the No Child Left Behind Act is changed, more [Fayette] schools will eventually evolve to ‘needs improvement’ status over the years.”

DeCotis said SB 458 provides for state funding but does not account for the local funding that figures so prominently into Fayette’s curriculum, adding that approximately half the dollars required to educate Fayette public school students come from local sources.

“Once the floodgates are open, we would have to open a lot of new resources, and I don’t know how we’d pay for it,” DeCotis said. “Adding this burden would mean cutting programs.”

Also included in the amended SB 458 is the provision that a receiving school system will accept students subject to space being available. DeCotis said he was unsure at this point how many Clayton students Fayette could accommodate.

Accepting students for whatever space might be available would also require hiring additional teachers which, he said, also calls into question the inadequate state funding dollars to pay those salaries.

DeCotis said all students throughout the state deserve the best education possible, and it is understandable that state legislators would want to provide a means for students to seek better opportunities if their districts or schools fail to meet quality standards.

“The Fayette County School System supports this endeavor but is opposed to systems being required to enroll students from other counties and subsequently forcing [Fayette] taxpayers to support the cost of educating non-resident students,” said DeCotis. “Although the school system receives state funding for every student enrolled, it only covers a little over half the cost. The rest is paid locally by property taxes.”

[EDITOR’S NOTE: The Fayette schools’ central office released the following statement Tuesday afternoon:]

Students in non-accredited and failing schools could enroll in other districts

In light of the impending loss of accreditation by Clayton County Schools, a bill has been passed by the Georgia senate that would require public school systems to enroll students from other public districts or schools that are not accredited, on probation for accreditation or have failing schools.

Under Senate Bill 458, parents can opt to have their child attend another school within their school system, enroll and transport their child to a public school in another system or request a scholarship for a private school. SB 458 states, “if a school system or school loses or fails to attain accreditation, a student shall be entitled to attend another public school or receive a scholarship to attend a private school…the public school system shall accept the student subject only to space being available.” The same options are available to students at schools that have been designated “needs improvement” for seven consecutive years.

If this bill is passed and signed into law, Fayette County Schools may be required to enroll students from Clayton if the district loses its accreditation on Sept. 1, 2008. This legislation could have a monumental impact over time on Fayette’s school system if it is also required to accept students from failing schools. Unless the No Child Left Behind Act is changed, more schools will eventually evolve to “needs improvement” status over the years.

All students throughout the state deserve the best education possible and it is understandable that state legislators would want to provide a means for students to seek better opportunities if their districts or schools fail to meet quality standards. The Fayette County School System supports this endeavor but is opposed to systems being required to enroll students from other counties and subsequently forcing taxpayers to support the cost of educating nonresident students. Although the school system receives state funding for every student enrolled, it only covers a little over half the cost; the rest is paid locally by property taxes.

Residents in opposition to SB 458 are encouraged to contact Fayette’s state legislators. Contact information can be found at www.fayettecountyga.gov/elections/us_and_state_elected_officials.htm.

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Submitted by momma m on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 9:08pm.

It is my understanding that every student in Clayton County would get a voucher. Just because we chose private school doesn't mean we still don't pay our VERY HIGH property taxes. However, if there is an exception because we chose private school over the disaster of public schools in Clayton County...I would do it all over again a thousand times!To get a voucher would be icing on the cake, but if we don't I WOULD NEVER NEVER NEVER have regrets about not allowing my kids to be in Clayton County schools.

Submitted by msgapeach420 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 4:12pm.

That's not true at all! My kids have attended Fayette County schools in the past and were on Honor roll there also. So there is no question to whether or not they will be in there right grade if they were to come back to Fayette County. See that's fayette's problem now,Yall think that your kids are better than everyone else and that's not true. I went to High School in PTC and I went to school with the biggest drug addict and drug dealers there was. And guess what they were born and raised in Fayette County! Some of them parents worked for the BOE. There were so called "gangs" back then, but guess what it wasn't talked about because it is Fayette County which is a bunch of BS. I understand everything that is being said about tax money and everything, but still again I say it's all about these kids education! You may not want to admit it but everything that you are talking about you don't want in Fayette County is already there.

Submitted by momma m on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 1:57pm.

Dear fellow bloggers,
Due to unfortunate circumstances, we still live in Clayton County. Of course we never tell people that...we just tell them we live on the Fayette Co. line. Five years ago, we pulled our children out of the public schools because the schools were so out of control! We have pinched pennies for years to send them to private schools. I totally understand your feelings about allowing Clayton Co. kids into your schools! For us, if the county looses its accreditation, we will be allowed a voucher for private schools which will be wonderful! Finally, we will be able to see our property tax money going for the education of our kids. Just remember, those of us who have to put our kids in private schools still have to pay school property tax! And please, just because you see a Clayton County tag at the Pavillion, don't assume it's another dead beat from Clayton County...it just might be someone like me that can't get out of the county and would like to shop (and pump their money into the economy) in a much nicer environment.

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Submitted by 2boysRmine on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 8:41pm.

Are you sure you would be eligible for the vouchers? I haven't read the proposed bill, but there is a chance that if you children are not currently attending one of the schools that loses accreditation, you may not be eligible. Even though you had to pull your children out due to the problems that eventually caused the loss of accredition, if you didn't stick it out, they may not consider you eligible. Check into it before you go any further.


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:53pm.

I applaud you on your effort to ensure proper education. You are going without to ensure that the next generation starts a rung or two higher than your current situation. I grew up in the projects in Boston. I want to give my children the opportunity that I didn't have. Your attitude and children are exactly what we would welcome. The reason you removed your children from the public school are what we will fight to ensure does not happen.

Thank you for your sacrifice and comments.

The More I learn, the Less I know


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 1:02pm.

Every county in Georgia should be watching what happens in Clayton County and the legislature. The precedence set forth in Clayton County may happen in your neighborhood. Being complacent in that this is South Atlanta, it does not concern us; I believe that if we don't learn from this, we will be doomed to repeat it. Everybody stand up no or we will be redistributing your wealth to the less fortunate Entitled citizens of Georgia. I was brought up that if you made a mistake, you fixed it. You didn’t pass it off to someone else to address you failure.
Clayton County residents, you are at a cross roads. How you address this will demonstrate to your county leadership and children what to do in these difficult times. What will you be teaching your children? Will you teach them that you address your problems with team work and a plan OR will you teach them that you can hand off your problems to someone else and they will always be there to help?

A Plan without action is a Day Dream
Action without a Plan is a Nightmare


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Submitted by Buckwheat Rules on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:53am.

I need to know who to send letters to! Can somebody please post all the local and state officials that need to hear from us. This is absolute and utter BS in epic proportions! No way our kids in Fayette County should suffer the academic consequences as a result of the ineptitude of those counties around us. Furthermore, the parents and homeowners of FC should not have to shoulder the financial burden of Clayton counties mess ...
..... NOT ONE GD DIME!

Sorry, I'm steaming right now ....


Submitted by Goukalake on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 1:59pm.

The comments from Buckwheat Rules hits the issues right on the nose! I agree and feel the same way. Absolutely not should Clayton County Residents have the option to send their children to the surrounding schools on a no cost (FREE) basis. If their problems are not resolved immediately and they see that the flood gates are open our schools will be flooded with them and their problems and no longer will Fayette County have Blue Ribbon Awarded schools. Also with this option and for FREE schooling why even bother to fix their problems. Our children will suffer greatly by this and I live in Fayette County and PAY MY TAXES, and our tax dollars SHOULD NOT be used to pay for children outside our county for schooling, to include raising our taxes for Clayton county's problems. Hello---State government officials you need to turn the light bulb on, why should we have to carry their burden. Bottom line, if these people want to have their children attend other schools outside their school system they should be REQUIRED to pay the FULL tution cost completely. As a tax payer of Fayette County and children in Fayette County School system I say this needs to be STOPPED NOW or everyone in Fayette County and surrounding counties will be paying for Clayton County's problems. Also, I would like to say EVERYONE on Clayton County school board needs to be FIRED and the State of Georgia needs to step up to the plate and take control not us in the surrounding counties.

Submitted by Fayette Ha on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:41pm.

Wow. In 2008, the phrase "those people" is still being used!!
Why am I even wasting my time reading this newspaper? Oh, I guess to see which one of the rich white people have committed suicide today....."accidentally"!
Or, maybe to see which one of the million dollar homes down there is being used as a drug safe haven.
Or maybe to see who is "mistakenly" bringing their hunting rifle to school.
What a joke you all are. And that is not intended for those looking for "change" but those who are looking to go backward.
OBAMA '08

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 9:04pm.

Then what's the problem?

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Submitted by 2boysRmine on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 8:43pm.

I think "these people" are the people about which they are speaking. I don't think it is referring to any one group. Obviously the type of change you want is not the same as the type we want. It's okay to want different things. Learn to accept that.


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Submitted by Connie Biemiller on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 12:36pm.

The Science and Technology Committee will be meeting on this subject today at 3pm. Here is the link below for all of your contacts - get those phones and emails moving.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/2007_08/house/Committees/scienceTech/gahst.htm


Submitted by CitizenBlogger on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 12:06pm.

Parents,
Please respond to Senate Bill 458

By calling Governor Perdue’s office and they are accepting calls and taking notes. Everyone should call *404-656-1776* and give their name and tell them that *“I oppose Georgia Senate Bill 458”*

Also, the Fayette Co board of education said to contact our GA Representatives ASAP. The bill has passed the GA senate, and is on its way to the House Science & Technology Dept this week for review and ultimate vote. The last step is to Governor Perdue for signature into law.

vfludd@legis.state.ga.us

matt.ramsey.house.ga.gov

john.yates@house.ga.gov

Roberta.abdul-salaam@house.ga.gov

darryl.jordan@house.ga.gov

Also, here is the site for the House Science & Technology

http://www.legis.ga.gov/legis/2007_08/house/Committees/scienceTech/gahst.htm

And all the email addresses for the Chairman and all members of the House Science & Technology.

I am including these addresses on my email to our GA Representatives.

amos.amerson@house.ga.gov

chuck@martinforgeorgia.com

xda92@mmm-law.com

david.casas@house.ga.gov

barry@barryloudermilk.com

hardie.davis@house.ga.gov

mmo@mmolaw.com

kevinlevitas@bellsouth.net

barbara.reece@house.ga.gov

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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:57am.

This is what I have compiled so far:

Governor Sonny Perdue
Georgia State Capitol
Atlanta, GA 30334
404-656-1776

Senator Ronnie Chance ronnie.chance@senate.ga.gov
District 16
109 State Capitol
Atlanta, GA 30334
404-651-7738

Representative Matt Ramsey
matt.ramsey@house.ga.gov
District 72
Suite 404 Coverdell Legislative Office Building
Atlanta, GA 30334
404-656-0109

Representative Virgil Fludd
vfludd@mindspring.com
District 66
Suite 611 Coverdell Legislative Office Building Atlanta, GA 30334
404.656.0314

John Yates
Suite 411, Legislative Office Building
18 Capitol Square
Atlanta, Georgia 30334


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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:39am.

And very nice lady asked me my position on the bill. They're not in session today so we'll have to hold on and see what happens.
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Submitted by ptcmom678 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:44am.

My understanding is that they're supposed to consider this at 3 p.m. today...? They being the Science and Technology committee - once again, how did they get involved in this. Here's the AJC link.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/stories/2008/03/25/choice_0326.html

ptcmom678

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 12:57pm.

That's what the lady in his office told me.
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Submitted by ptcmom678 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:19am.

I just got back from lunch at my daughter's school. Apparently over 500 people have called regarding this inept piece of legislation. I called just before I left the house, mentioned that I was calling about 458 and was asked by a resigned staffer "For or against". My answer was a vehement "NO"

I taught 6th grade Language Arts at Morrow Middle School - the kids would in no way be able to hack a Fayette County 6th class. we had to use the 4th grade version of the Daily Grammar Program because the 6th grade version was over their heads. It was a shock when two parents came into a parent-teacher conference - and that happened only once.

If this bill does somehow pass, I predict a burgeoning home school population and that the local private schools will be overflowing.

ptcmom678

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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:16am.

is here:

Incompetence

Do I understand the conditions correctly as indicating that the accreditation WILL be revoked in September unless the school system can "show cause"--providing irrefutable evidence that the accreditation should not be revoked?

Sounds like a tall order to me.


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Submitted by muddle on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:06am.

Their website has this "quote of the day":

"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." --Andre Gide

Strictly speaking, is this good advice? I mean, isn't it a recipe for never arriving at truth?

And, presumably, the advice itself presupposes a conviction of truth. Consider the statement, "It is true that one ought to believe those who are seeking the truth but doubt those who find it." Doesn't the principle entail that I should doubt the principle itself?

Maybe the Clayton schools are in the mess they are in partly because their educators buy into such mushy-mindedness!

I think that if I had a Georgia plate that read both "Clayton" and "Educator" I would remove it and pin up a piece of torn cardboard: "Lost Tag."


Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:04am.

is the LONG shared border with Clayton County. I moved from Clayton County around 12 years ago, and it is simply amazing how far downhill that County has gone in a fairly short time. It started in the 70's when the County Commission would approve anything/everything that came across their desks. CHEAP housing is the downfall of that County. It got worse when code enforcement went out the window. I could go on and on, but you get the picture. For anyone who grew up in Clayton County it is truly sad.

All that said, this legislation is GARBAGE. Folks are right, we must let our voices be heard.

Submitted by PTC Dawg on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 10:33am.

Senator Chance does not believe he supported legislation that would be bad for Fayette County. Does this mean he thinks it's okay for local tax payers to pay the 49.41% of the $8,317 per student per year for each of the non-resident students we would be told to take to fill "empty classroom space"?? Representative Ramsey has indicated that he does not support this legislation. Keep an eye on developments in the House today.
Those of us with students benefit from good schools; those without students benefit from the higher home values due to our good schools!

Submitted by Lakey on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:10am.

Forget talk about crime and thugs. The issue is simply one of control of OUR schools. Public education thrives when there is community involvement. What we have in Fayette County are citizens that are concerned about our schools and our tax dollars. They understand that if OUR elected officials aren't vigilant in protecting both our schools and our tax dollars we have the option of replacing them. Clayton County apparently continues to elect people that are either incompetent or corrupt. We in Fayette County don't have the ability to vote them out of office. Fayette County shouldn't be required to clean-up the mess in Clayton. These are OUR schools and OUR tax dollars. If Clayton can't govern itself let the State of Georgia take over their schools. This was the situation in Connecticut when the Hartford Public Schools lost their accreditation. The State of Connecticut ran the schools until Hartford got its act together. Fayette County shouldn't be punished for the the sins of the Clayton County BOE.

Submitted by ynot on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 10:21am.

Wonderful, wonderful. People of Georgia! Elect more dimwitted Republicans. Appears that the current crop doesn't have any brains or what little they posses are apparently sitting on them.
What about accountability? Absolutely no incentive to cleanup/replace the clowns currently sitting on the Clayton County BoE.
The number one brainless state politician, Glenn Richardson of Hiram, Republican speaker of the house,who must be the equivalent of the modern version of a Luddite, wants to do away with the current funding of our schools and replace it with a sales tax.Granted the current system needs improvement.
If they get there way Georgia will be ranked number 1 in education achievement. Number 1 from the bottom of course. Every student will be dumbed down, hooray what an achievement.
To allow this bill to even come out of committee shows the level of confusion, ignorance or plain callousness on the part of the pols.
No wonder they rank at the bottom of desired professions.

Submitted by balloonguy on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:51am.

Last night, for the first time in my life, I was angered enough over an issue to sit down and compose letters to my elected representatives. After a note to Rep. Matt Ramsey (which he responded to almost immediately), I sent e-mail to the six sponsors of this legislation. All of them received the following:

Gentlemen:

Today, Senate Bill 458 was brought to my attention. As a taxpayer, homeowner, and parent of students in Fayette County, one of the three or four school districts most likely to be affected by this legislation, may I ask - WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING?

The voters of Clayton County, have, at least twice, elected the school board that put them into the situation that they are in today. While indeed the loss of accredation is lamentable, and particularly sad for those students who have chosen to excel in their studies, it is not the responsibility of neighboring counties to take on the task of fixing this problem. This is nothing more than pandering to the entitlement society that has become prevalent in our region, and particularly so within Clayton County.

The influx of students that is certain to occur, should this legislation be passed and enacted, will severely and negatively affect Fayette County Schools, as well as those of Henry, DeKalb, and probably to a lesser extent, Fulton Counties. It is evident to me that, while the state funding will be transferred, the county funding will not, this will leave a severe deficit which will have to be paid by the residents of the affected counties. Vouchers will not work here, gentlemen - there aren't enough private schools in the state of Georgia to accept the influx of students from Clayton County. Moreover, what happens when Clayton County parents are unable (or unwilling) to provide transportation to their student's designated free school? Will we then be required to provide bus service as well?

I have no idea what the motivation was for this legislation, but frankly, you "don't have a dog in this hunt". This problem needs to be fixed by Clayton County Schools administrators, board members, and parents, not by the citizens of other counties in the metro Atlanta area. The state superintendent's office needs to step in and operate this system, to meet the requirements as laid down by the national accredation council, and insure that the goals and requirement are met.

As as twenty three year retired military officer, a small businessman, and long time Republican voter, the concept of this ill-advised legislation is abhorrent to me, personally as well as professionally. As a citizen, I am personally disappointed in this action.

I received the following reply from Melanie Stockwell, chief of Staff to Sen. Eric Johnson, a few minutes ago:

"...I’m afraid that you have been given wrong information on the effect of SB 458 on neighboring school districts like Fayette County. I want to be clear that you understand that nothing in SB 458 will require a neighboring public school system to accept students from a county affected by this scholarship program. It has always been subject to available space-which of course is defined by the school system—and in the most recent reversion we make it VERY clear, that neighboring school districts only have to accept nonresident students if they choose too. They MAY accept the students.

However, if your school system was facing the same problems as Clayton County, you as a parent would want every option you have to find another schooling choice. That is all SB 458 is trying to do—give parents additional options. Parents will have to find another school—private or public—which has available space and meets the child’s needs. There is no requirement in this bill that any other school accept a student. But there are lots of options out there for parents and SB 458 gives these students who are being hurt through no fault of their own, additional choices. ....."

What started out as a voucher program has turned into a bailout for the citizens of Clayton County. I don't believe I'm wrong, as Ms. Stockwell indicates, but rather that the sponsors of this legislation have taken a reasonably good concept (school vouchers) and turned it bad. I'd be curious if anyone else has received responses from the sponsors of the legislation.

Submitted by CitizenBlogger on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 7:33pm.

"...I’m afraid that you have been given wrong information on the effect of SB 458 on neighboring school districts like Fayette County. I want to be clear that you understand that nothing in SB 458 will require a neighboring public school system to accept students from a county affected by this scholarship program. It has always been subject to available space-which of course is defined by the school system—and in the most recent reversion we make it VERY clear, that neighboring school districts only have to accept nonresident students if they choose too. They MAY accept the students.

Balloonguy, you aren't wrong and neither are the rest of us.

If the previous statement is true why did they change the language from "may" to "shall" in the amendment. I guess the Senator from Savannah doesn't believe that Fayette Countians can read and comprehend the bill.

Also, where in the bill did it say available space would be "of course" defined by the school system?

They think we are stupid.

Submitted by PTC Dawg on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 10:44am.

This legislation will certainly open the door for future legislation to "assist" us with defining "available space". Fayette County's residency requirement for school enrollment does not factor in available space - it simply states 'no residency, no enrollment'. With the opening of new elementary schools, Fayette county will technically have "available space". Ms. Stockwell's double talk seeks to assure us SB 458 will change nothing...so why the heck did the Senate pass it?!

Submitted by bowser on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 10:39am.

Thanks for posting that insipid and weasely response from Sen. Johnson's flunkie, balloonguy.

So Fayette doesn't HAVE to take any Clayton students, it can turn them away and look like its full of insensitive jerks. The media would have a field day. Talk about being set up ...

Just as I said elsewhere, it's the law of unintended consequences that always gets the zealots in trouble.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:26am.

I am against Clayton county kids taking up our resources, and potentially ruining our schools. I also feel sorry for those kids and parents that are truly involved in their education. There are so many questions that need to be answered. What type of students will be applying for transfers to our schools?
Honor students or less than desired students?
Will the district have a choice in who gets in, or first come first serve?
Will the district receive Clayton's school funds from their local taxes?
How will the influx of traffic during school hours affect our roads?
What happens to the teachers from the Clayton schools? Do they lose their jobs?
I've sent my questions to my legislator.


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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:42am.

I feel the same way. I have been reading several of the blogs posted, and the public is saying the same thing. I have asked the same questions that you have.
I live in Fayette County and have a daughter that will graduate in 2 years. I pay taxes here and wonder how that will effect me? I emailed my concers just as several others have. Guess it will be a heavy email day. Maybe the local news media needs to get involved in this, that seems to get the ball rolling on other issues. I read where people want to move. Is that the solution. I have worked too hard for the home I love right here in Fayette County, and have lived here for several years. I'm not going anywhere. I run a business out of my home so again, putting houses up for sale and moving away from the problem is running, not trying to find or assist in finding a solution. With the real estate market the way it is, good luck on selling your homes. It may take you a while. Please send your letters in. That hopefully will make a statement.


Submitted by swmbo on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:33am.

What if Fayette legitimately refuses admission to a Clayton student and is sued? Who will pay for the litigation? Is Clayton going to chip in for the attorney fees? OR What if a Clayton student is legitimately expelled from a Fayette school? You know those parents will use this legislation (if passed) to go to court to force us to take the kid back. Who's going to pay for that litigation? After all, we would not be obligated to do anything for a Clayton County student if the Clayton Board of Ed hadn't failed to do its job, first.

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Submitted by poipendicular on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 10:47am.

This will be one huge cluster **** if it's passed. Fayette County will be sued by parents who really don't give a care about education only wanting a payout, because we didn't let their 'precious gang member into our schools' We will see mumble-mouthed fools spewing onomatopoeias standing in their doorways shirtless, scratching their armpits complaining their illiterate children are unable to attend our schools on the news. It's not their children's fault for fighting, or bringing weapons to school. The lawyers will get rich and our county will suffer. If this doesn't cause 'white flight' out of the county I have no idea what will.


Submitted by Hey on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:44am.

Not to mention the "Negro Improvement" group that will be protesting with their posters.

Submitted by Fayette Ha on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:31pm.

Who would have ever thought that the KKK had taken residence in Fayette County? You guys have got to be the most racist group of individuals in this state.
I really feel for the kids in Clayton county, who I might add, are still kids (probably the same KIDS that your 'lil KKK's will commit suicide over in a couple of years), but most of all, I feel REALLY REALLY bad for you REDNECK sons of your moms.
Read through these posts. You might as well just say "hang the {{{{{{{*EDITED}}}}}"...yeah right, I would like to see you stand up and do that COWARDS!!!
There are still law-abiding, peace loving, educated, {{{{{{{*EDITED}}}}}} in this state. I'm just glad I don't have to be around you all, because I'm sure that status would change overnight.
WHITE POWER..........NOT!!!!

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:52pm.

If we were to do that we would be banned from this site like you will be shortly.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:39pm.

They have been EDITED BUT NOT banned................YET


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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 7:39pm.

I guess you can say the "N" word during the day but not at night, or maybe it was the word town that got that got that guy banned...oops, I said it too, oh well it was good knowing ya'll.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by Fayette Ha on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:10pm.

Banned??? My people have been banned, put out,shut out, put down, smacked down, you name it.
You would be amazed at the resilience of "these people"!!

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 4:30pm.

Banned, put out, shut out, smacked down, etc. My goodness! Who are "these people?"

Maybe they need to behave. Smiling


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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:14pm.

The funny thing about this site is it has certain rules, and you broke a biggie, the editor just banned a racist last night for using the word you used, so I guess I'll say, see ya.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 7:53am.

I have a question? When you refer to "Your People", are you referring to the residents of Clayton County or just one particular race within Clayton County? Records indicate there are multiple races that reside within Clayton County. We in Fayette do not have issue with the race of the individuals, just the attitude. When we say we don’t want your kind, it is not the race but the Crime, Attitude, Gangs and violence. We do not discriminate. Any race that presents the aforementioned qualities is not welcome PERIOD.

The More I learn, the Less I know


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Submitted by poipendicular on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 4:26pm.

"It's OUR turn now" What has that gotten you? This whole situation was brought on by the residents of Clayton county. Residents who voted in the officials bringing the county down. Residents who did not take a stronger stance against the element involved in illegal activities.

Whatever Fayette county's problems are, we are not foisting them upon the residents of Clayton county. Our crimes are not being perpetrated in your cities. Our schools are not losing accreditation.


Submitted by fayette homeowner on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 4:14pm.

i am a homeowner in fayette, and just happen to live in clayton. my kids attend school in clayton and will soon be going to a fayette school. what is wrong with the kids in clayton..........nothing at all but there is something wrong with the school system. some people are just scared of change

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 7:35pm.

As long as you pay school taxes in Fayette, I don't care where you send your kids to school, as it happens I still own a house in Clayton though I live in Fayetteville. If you mean am I scared of Fayette schools changing to be like Clayton schools you're right I am scared. So sue me.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by fayette homeowner on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 8:59pm.

I went to starr's mill high,was the first class to graduate. Before attending smhs, i went to southside high school in atlanta and no smhs didnt change, but i changed i had to change and adjust to life at smhs. so to make along story short the kids should be given a chance to adjust. not just be called thugs because of what happen to the clayton county school system. what is the worst thing that could happen fayette and mcintosh both have winning football teams

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:18pm.

Like I said before if you pay Fayette school taxes I don't care if you send your kids to Fayette schools, but I object to having to pay for Clayton kids to go to Fayette schools, is that so difficult to understand? If they don't act like a thug they won't be called a thug. For your information FCHS went 11-1 this year in football, the basketball teams male and female went to the championship games so we don't need your kids, Hell, with your attitude we don't need you either. BTW the name is hutch not Popeye.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by heatjam on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 4:58pm.

We are not scared of change...we just want OUR tax dollars to go to educate OUR children. Let the citizens of Clayton County use their tax dollars to educate their children!! Yes, you may have a Fayetteville address, but your tax dollars are sent to Clayton County.

I hope for your sake that Clayton doesn't lose their accreditation.

Submitted by fayette homeowner on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:15pm.

first of all u don't know where my tax dollars go. and second for my sake u hope cc don't lose their accreditation. i do to so my kids don't have to put up with bs like this. better yet people like u that r scared of change

Submitted by heatjam on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 5:52am.

i am a homeowner in fayette, and just happen to live in clayton. my kids attend school in clayton

This is what YOU posted...so one can only think that you live in Clayton County. If you live in Clayton then so do your tax dollars.

Change is good but that doesn't mean that my $$$ should go to educate children from other counties. If the shoe were on the other foot you wouldn't want it either!

Oh, and please use proper spelling and punctuation/capitalization. This is a blog...not a text message.

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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:50pm.

I can only answer for myself, but slow down here.....
This is not about being racist or redneck. It is about, for me anyway, my tax dollars paying for out of county students. No, it's not their fault this is happening, but again, am I expected to pay for their counties mistakes? I think NOT...
As far as being racist... this is the only way I know to put it.
I am a white female, who has a business partner who is a black female. We work together great, are friends, are families are close, well... do you get the picture. There is nothing neither one of us would not do for each other. I enjoy country music, will drink a beer out of a bottle, does that make me redneck? You need to chill out and not make postings on here like the one you did. It makes you look like a fool.


Submitted by Fayette Ha on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:04pm.

Oh, of course, I "look like a fool".....Have you been reading these posts? Of course not, you were too quick to respond;a sure sign of IGNORANCE.
You are REAL quick to go into the proverbial "One of my best girlfriends is a black female. One of my business partners is black." Please....
Being racist has nothing to do with what you drink or what kind of music you listen to, etc. It's about what is truly in your heart and by posting this garbage, I am still convinced that Fayette county is the new home of the KKK. You guys, down there, have the right to protect what you work hard for, but you have to realize that there are a lot of innocent, hardworking, tax-paying citizens, black, white and otherwise, in Clayton who are going to be caught up in this crossfire and it is not fair to them.
Again, the original post was not intended for ALL. Only the "hit dogs".

Submitted by msgapeach420 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:42pm.

Exactly I thought this was 2008 not 1958! All the kids in Clayton county aren't gangbangers or thugs! There ARE good kids in Clayton county. Kids in Clayton County are being labeled before they enter the Fayette County school system. If I had the opportunity to put my kids in the Fayette County school system I wouldn't! If Clayton County students do enroll in Fayette schools, they will be watched like criminals from the moment they walk into the doors and that's not fair! The one and only thing that matters in my eyes are that these Clayton County students receive the education that they deserve, and thats the same education that every other student in any county deserves.

Submitted by GeorgiaPeach on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 9:52pm.

The people of Clayton County are getting what they deserve. The citizens have elected the corrupt and inept and now they want to be bailed out. The citizens of Fayette County, on the other hand, have carefully elected the best we could find to run our various segments of government. Just look at the difference. Race has nothing to do with it? Clean up your own county. Ever heard of recall? That is what you do with rotten elected officials. Get them out of office. Don't look to someone else to do it for you. Clayton County citizens need to rise up and take control of their county and make swift changes. It can be done. Good luck!!!

Submitted by Spyglass on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 9:00pm.

Clayton County kids should go to school in Clayton County. What's so hard to figure out about that?

IF you live in Clayton, you made that decision for your kids.

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Submitted by 2boysRmine on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 8:58pm.

Let me guess....you are from Clayton County. If I understand correctly, the residents of Clayton County have known for quite some time that there was a distinct possibility that the school system would lose their accreditation. Articles are available on the web dating back several years. At the very least, this should have been a wake up call to the parents of Clayton County students that they had three choices...ignore it; help improve the schools; move elsewhere. It seems that most chose the first option. I make sacrifices daily to insure that my children remain in a good school district. My house is expensive. My taxes are expensive. I don't drive a new care because of these expenses. I do all of this to make sure that my children are going to the school of my choice. How do you think I feel to think that I could move to Clayton County and buy a house for 1/4 the price of mine and still attend Fayette County schools? You get what you pay for.


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:15pm.

Let’s break down your comments and address them individually. "All the kids in Clayton County aren't gangbangers or thugs". I agree that all are not, but the violence in the Clayton County Schooling system and after school "Recreation" has a very high crime rate.

The morals of profiling:

"They will be watched like criminals from the moment they walk into the doors and that's not fair” It is the same issue that has plagued us before, what kind of security is in the Clayton County High School? Metal Detectors, uniformed and private police? We have a single resource officer from PTC. Why would the wonderful well educated "NON" gang members wear shirts touting PTC your next? Let’s be serious, the problem with the bad children in Clayton County are the adults. Deal with it. I have no problem allowing children with a GPA of 3.8 into our educational system (pending the financial aspect) do to the parents and child’s commitment to the Fayette County educational standards of excellence. Do I want to worry that my child may be attacked because of the gang influence and mentality prevalent in the Clayton County educational facilities, I answer with a resounding and emphatic NO.

Another nice thing about using GPA is it takes race out of the equation. Therefore please stop using race as the vehicle to push your agenda. As for you choosing not to send your child/children to Fayette County, based on your comments, I doubt they would be able to attend the same grade as they attended in the Clayton County system.

btw, please delete and ban the previous poster "Fayette Ha" about the racist and demeaning comments.

The More I learn, the Less I know


Submitted by haha on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:51pm.

Your tag-line fits this entire days' posting.
Have you read the comments on the "white flight"? Have you responded to those comments?
I CHOOSE to not take part in any more of this non-sense, beginning NOW. These postings made for a nice read. A lot of light has been shed.....THANKS!!

Submitted by heatjam on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:08pm.

Out of curiosity...do you have any children in the school system here in Fayette County? We moved here due to the history of Fayette County schools having low teacher/student ratios therefore children get more one on one attention. Plus, many other features of our schools which FAYETTE COUNTY tax dollars go for.

I don't care if the students that may come over from Clayton County are red, black, green, yellow or pink with purple polka dots. I don't care if they are the future Nobel Peace Prize winner or the future occupants of the local jail. It is NOT the responsibility of FAYETTE COUNTY residents to educate children from other counties. The state of GA and the state Board of Ed should take on the responsibility. Period...end of sentence.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:56pm.

Let's see how this would work, Clayton would receive the tax dollars and Fayette would pay to educate the kids, do you see the problem with that?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by msgapeach420 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:03pm.

It's still should be about the kids! If they choose to drop out of school the first thing people would do is label them as "dropouts" and "uneducated". I understand that yes it is Clayton County BOE fault mostly but these kids still deserve a good education all BS aside. I am a product of the Fayette County school system and now live in Clayton County where my kids attend school, but with the attitude that people in Fayette county have my kids will not attend school in Fayette. My kids are on Honor roll and have never been in any trouble but I know that they will be labeled trouble makers from the beginning. I know this because like I said I was in the school system for 13 years and I seen the exact thing happen when student transferred from other counties.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:14pm.

It's still should be about the kids!

Absolutely true. But tell me, why didn't the good citizens of CC figure that out. If they did, we wouldn't be in this predicament would we?
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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:11pm.

I haven't heard you being called "Popeye" in a long time. That just tickled the junk out of me.


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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:15pm.

Go figure, I've been called a lot worse on here.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:10pm.

First off the name is hutch and I agree, the kids deserve a good education, but we already pay for one county and we don't deserve t ohave to pay for two.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 4:33pm.

Hey! Smiling


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Submitted by hutch866 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 7:31pm.

Hey there, you doing OK? Thanks for the kind words.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:27pm.

AMEN TO THAT!!!


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:02am.

The subject line contained "Are we addressing the problem or relocating the issues"

I am , a Peachtree City resident. I am greatly concerned that this bill will pick up steam(Senate Bill 458). In my experience, we need to address the root cause of the problem, not apply a geographic solution. We have an attitude in Clayton County that school is an afterthought and gangs are encouraged. While I understand that this is a cultural issue, you do not address it by relocating the offending attitude into a district that out-performs the state average. You look at what works in those districts and apply the measures to the failing districts.

I believe the culprit is the parents of the Clayton County students. Apathy and ignorance breeds a student body that is difficult to educate. What do you think will happen to the schools you send these students? The attitude in Peachtree City is one of community and education. I work in Alpharetta and live in PTC to afford my children the best opportunity for education. If that is removed, what is my incentive to stay as a PTC resident? I can find much better use of my 4 hours a day spent in traffic.

A possible concession would be to allow only students with a 3.8GPA or greater to attend PTC schools. This would ensure that children with the appropriate attitude and home environment are afforded the opportunity for college. This keeps in place the College options and Hope Scholarship possibilities. We do not have metal detectors and the amount of security personnel to address the unruly and criminal element currently resident in the Clayton County schooling system. As a resident of PTC, we pay higher taxes and fees to provide the education that has garnered Blue Ribbon status.

I look forward to hearing your reply and comments. I certainly hope we can reach an amicable solution where our children are beneficiaries.

The More I learn, the Less I know


Submitted by buzz on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 5:51am.

I guess what you are saying is 3.8 and above will be allowed to go to PTC Schools, the rest of the riff raff can go to Fayetteville, Brooks, Tyrone. Sounds good to me Peeples, Rising Starr and Stars Mill have a Fayetteville mailing address.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 5:49am.

You seem to be under the impression that the PTC schools are separate from the rest of the county. I somehow doubt that your millage rate is any different then mine here in Fayetteville. If you can prove me wrong please do.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by buzz on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 5:28am.

I guess what you are saying is 3.8 and above will be allowed to go to PTC Schools, the rest of the riff raff can go to Fayetteville, Brooks, Tyrone. Sounds good to me Peeples, Rising Starr and Stars Mill have a Fayetteville mailing address.

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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 7:57am.

My use of PTC was in error, it should have been Fayette County. I am trying to indicate people with a like attitude towards education may attend.

The More I learn, the Less I know


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Submitted by mother hen on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:45am.

I share your outrage, but I don't believe that identifying the problems in the Clayton County area as "cultural" will help our cause. There's no doubt in my mind that the issues in that area are related to parental apathy, administrative abuse of power, and a generalized lack of respect for the value of education. That being said, to me the issue is not a semantic one (the FCBOE is trying to change the wording from "shall admit students" to "may admit") but a matter of principle.

How many of us remember that our county was prosecuting parents for "stealing from the taxpayers of Fayette County"? How many of us remember the wringer our citizens have been through regarding school boundaries? We've put up with more than enough already; we cannot allow the State to spend our local tax dollars on out-of-county students. No amount of tapdancing or handwringing will convince me that this is "right" and "just." Providing out-of-county students with the resources we have available to us in this county, resources that we pay dearly for (consult your tax bill for a reminder), necessarily reduces the resources we have available for our own children. The programs that will be cut, and rest assured that will have to happen, will be the programs that enrich the education of high-achieving students.

Let's review. High-achieving residents or Fayette County will be forced to provide for underachieving residents of another county because we worked hard and have succeeded and they did not and have not. Government-mandated redistribution of wealth. What does that sound like to you?


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:45am.

I understand your concern, I used the word "Cultural" specifically for a reason. My experience is that the parents of these children grew up in a like environment and have propagated that through their progeny. I am not identifying race, religion or ethnic background but the "Culture" that these children grow and the "Culture" taught by their parents. That’s why the only option that I allowed was to weed out "Culture" and look only at GPA. This would allow for students with a similar "Culture" as Fayette County attend during the hardship in Clayton County.

The More I learn, the Less I know


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Submitted by mother hen on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 1:26pm.

Culture is a euphemism for race unless you're talking about museums.

I don't mean to criticize your word choice, and I don't disagree with anything you said. I'm just trying to make the point that we (collectively, as angry taxpayers) have to address the issue in language that is impossible to tie to the race card. The minute anyone brings up culture or race the politicians will turn and run because nobody, and I mean nobody, in public office has the strength to stand up and say, "the fact that I don't believe Fayette County should pay for the education of your children doesn't make me a racist." In fact, I'll probably be branded a racist for even addressing this point.

For what its worth, I think your solution is reasonable on the surface, and in a perfect world it would work out well. In the real world I don't think it will solve the problem. Only offering an education from an accredited school to those students who have demonstrated an aptitude for learning in a public school setting is, well, discriminatory. The only solution to this problem is for our representatives to grow a set and say no.


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Submitted by NUK_1 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 1:51pm.

Maybe culture is a euphemism for race in your mind, but that isn't the definition and it's not even close. There are only 3 races of human beings that walk the planet, and I'd venture to guess there are thousands of different cultures, plenty of which even exist within one-race countries.

By your definition, Iraq has only one culture.


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Submitted by mother hen on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:06pm.

I know what the word "culture" means. I also know what the word "schizophrenic" means, but people misuse that word all the time also. When it is politically expedient to substitute the word "culture" for "race" it is done, especially in this country and frequently in this county. But that's not even the point I'm trying to make here. When faced with an issue that could take on racial or cultural or religious overtones, and this issue certainly qualifies, it is always best to keep the debate focused on data rather than emotion. The powers that be are more likely to listen.


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Submitted by PTC_New_Native on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 4:37pm.

I grew up in the Projects in Boston and the surrounding 'Burbs. These facilities were predominantly white or close to 50% white (Depending on the facility). The attitude was a "Gimme" approach. The culture was to take what you can. Education was an after thought. Parents didn't follow-up to ensure homework was finished or test grades were acceptable. The "Culture" in these environements were similar to my experiences with Clayton County residents and some of the student body. Speaking from experience, if you dont have much to loose, your boundries for acceptable behavior may expand. It is not easy to climb out of those types of cultures, but it is worth it. I like sitting back knowing that all I have was what I accomplished and nothing was handed to me. Did I feel entitled when I was growing up? Sometimes, it was hard getting cloths from the Church or Salvation Army. The National Guard powdered milk, powdered eggs and cheese program (if anyone remembers) was horrible. Enough said. Culture is just that, an attitude fostered, taught and condoned by the parents to the children in which the children adopt.

The More I learn, the Less I know


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Submitted by ptcgv on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:35am.

I just called Governor Perdue's office and asked that he veto the bill if it crosses his desk. It literally took less tha 30-45 seconds.

All they do is ask your name.

I strongly urge everyone to call. The number is: 404-656-1776.


Submitted by PTC Dawg on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:19am.

I just called...okay, I was curious to see what would happen! The lady talked so rapidly, I had to really listen. She did ask for or against, and my name. But, I had just started to say my last name when she repeated my first name and said thank you for your call. Guess she listens as fast as she talks! No question about whether or not I contacted my representatives (which I have).
Keep calling...this campaign could be even more rapidly successful than the calls to Kroger HQ!

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Submitted by poipendicular on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 10:49am.

I just called, and told the voice on the other end I was calling in regards to Senate bill 458. He asked if I was for or against it. I responded against, he said thank you and hung up. No request for name.


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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:49am.

Thanks for the info. I just called the number provided and the gentleman that answered asked if I was calling in reference to "458". I said yes. He did not ask my name, but asked if I have contacted my local reps. I said yes, via email. He said thank you for calling that I had done all I needed to do at this point. I tried to question this, however he hung up. WOW, what a shocker! If anyone else gets thru with better success, let me know. I'm going to call back!


Submitted by mickc41 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 3:02pm.

The gentleman that answered was very nice. I told him I was calling to oppose Bill 458 and he asked if I was for the bill or against the bill - which I said against - and he politely thanked me and we hung up. Feels good to have a say. Now let's see if it makes a difference.

Submitted by AmandaDoster on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:05am.

I got through to them and a lady answered the phone. I told her that I oppose it and my name. Maybe it just the person who answers the phone.

Submitted by boxwing on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 8:42am.

Madam & Gentlemen:

I am writing to you to express my extreme opposition to Senate Bill 458. I have read the bill and while laudable, the provisions of this bill will place an unreasonable and undue burden on the taxpayers of counties which accept students from outside their boundaries. While the bill does state that the receiving “system shall report the student for purposes of funding to the department”, state funding covers only a portion of the costs of education for students in most school systems. There is no provision in the bill for the transfer of local school taxes for that transient student to the new attending school system, so the burden for this funding will lie solely on the taxpayers in the receiving county.

The true impact of this bill will be that school systems that border a county system that fails to maintain accreditation will see a tidal wave of new students without the accompanying full funding. This will increase teach-student ratios, increase over-crowding and lower student performance in the receiving school systems. The result will be a “domino effect” where a localized educational melt-down will now become a regional educational failure. This is not a logical solution to the problem.

Rather than simply spread the problem over a larger area to hide its true effects, this bill should promote clear steps to contain and solve the problem at the local county level. The main steps to this would be as follows:

- State takeover of any school system that fails to maintain accreditation.

- Institution of a School Oversight Board by the Governor for a period of three years which will take of the functions of the local School Board. The main goal of this Oversight Board will be to regain accreditation for the local school system within the three year period. Students retain Hope Scholarship rights while the Oversight Board is in control.

- Once accreditation is regained, an elected local School Board would be reinstituted with limited control. The School Oversight Board would still be in place to supervise the actions of the School Board and have veto power over their actions.

- After a three year probationary period with adequate performance by the local School Board and system, the state School Oversight Board would be disbanded and total control would return to the local School Board.

Such a system would fix the problem, stop its spread to other neighboring systems, and not unduly penalize the students for the failures of the so-called adults who created the problem.

To summarize, I am vehemently opposed to the provisions of Senate Bill 458 that allow no-resident students to attend schools outside of their residence county and this provision should be stripped from the bill immediately. I trust that you will represent the interests of your constituents here in Fayette County and vote against the bill without the recommended changes outlined above.

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Submitted by huey_ip on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 8:33am.

I am infuriated about the possibility of us being forced to accept the Clayton County students. The core reason why they are in this situation in the first place is because of the incompetent fools that their parents elected to the school board. It is the children’s parents that are at fault, and the fact that they were apathetic to the situation in the first place! Their situation is nothing new and has been going on for years! If they don’t care about their children’s education, then why should we! This is not the first time their school system accreditation was in jeopardy, it also happened a few years ago. So if this goes through lets see what we may get in return:

1. Increased school gang activity.
2. Increased demands for ESL programs (since many of Clayton Students are from illegal aliens)
3. Greater student to teacher ratios = less time for your student.
4. New students who are legal residents of Fayette County will end up in trailers, or worse yet, be denied attendance because of the overcrowding.

This is a loosing scenario for our kids, period!

THIS CANNOT STAND! WE MUST DO SOMETHING TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING! HERE ARE SOME OF MY SUGGESTIONS:

1. File a lawsuit against Clayton County and force their school property tax dollars to be turned over to Fayette County, if this is crammed down our throats.
2. Check the bond issues and see whether we can force Clayton County to pick up the tab for any remaining school bond payments. LETS NOT GIVE THEM A FREE RIDE!
3. Immediate contact your representative and have them file legislation that will force the children to return to Clayton County once their accreditation is approved.
4. Check the tax laws and find out if this proposal is even legal. Every county has different tax laws and rates as it pertains to their school systems.
5. Force our school administrators to check on the residency of each student enrolled. Maybe have someone stationed on the parking lot in the morning/afternnon to question people with out-of-county tags. Is there a law on the books that fines anyone who illegally enrolls their children, if not, there should be!

If there is one thing that our county does have is money, and we need to start spending some of it to fight this in the courts (before it becomes a reality).

Lastly, I feel sorry for the kids of Clayton County, who deserve a better opportunity than their self-indulgent elected officials, and lethargic parents, are willing to give them!


Submitted by swmbo on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:21am.

You mentioned the bond issues and forcing Clayton to pick up the tab. My question is whether the bonds, as validated, even allow us to use the bond funds for students who don't live in county. If not, FCBOE couldn't comply with a mandate to accept students because it would be an illegal diversion of the bond funds.

And, yes, I, too, feel very sorry for the students of Clayton County because their parents have failed them. But, let this be a cautionary tale to us in Fayette. If we don't stay involved with our local government (going to the meetings, reading what they are doing, contacting your local representatives), we could very easily end up in the same place. After all, look at how Fayette representatives are actually supporting this.

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Submitted by MajorMike on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 8:25am.

There appears to be a great deal of confusion regarding what the bill will "require" from school systems in surrounding counties. Here is the exact languange of the bill.

http://www.legis.state.ga.us:80/legis/2007_08/versions/sb458_Committee_sub_LC_33_2504S_4.htm

The bill seems overly broad to me and would seem to give the GABoe a great deal of latitude in some areas. It also looks like it might turn into a "cash cow" for private schools and require significant state funding in the areas of transportation. I personally think that there are more viable options than the "bailout" that this appears to be. This bill appears to me to be BAD on a number of levels.

Could it be that the Fayette County BOE would see this as a chance to actually get paid for many of the Clayton county students currently illegally enrolled in Fayette County schools? What a slap in the face for Fayette County taxpayers that would be.

I would hope that some of the attorneys would weigh in on this.


Submitted by slj355 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 8:04am.

I believe the e-mail address for Virgil Fludd listed on the fayettecountyga.gov web site is incorrect. The GA House of Representatives lists Mr. Fludd's e-mail address as vfludd@mindspring.com.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 7:48am.

"Unintended Consequences", indeed!

George Bush used the 9/11 crisis to ram the horrible Patriot Act down our throats.
Glenn Richardson used the Clayton schools accreditation crisis to ram SB458 down our throats.

The state Republican party is willing to sacrifice the Fayette county school system in order to achieve their party goal of "school vouchers". Overcrowded, underfunded schools will become the norm in Fayette county very very soon, as Clayton residents take advantage of the excess capacity in the excellent Fayette county school system. (So much for closing East Fayette Elementary!!).

Since the state is only footing half the bill for these transfers, get ready for much higher school taxes, folks!

The killer phrase in the legislation is "and failing"...this assures that this migration of students will not be a one-time deal....it'll be the "gift" that keeps on giving, year after year.

Thank goodness a DEMOCRAT, Rep. Seay, had the foresight to amend this legislation to prohibit UNLIMITED transfers and instead limit them to available seats.

Your Republican Party: working hard for YOU! (maybe not your kids, though!)


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