Will Clayton students flood Fayette schools?

Tue, 03/25/2008 - 4:05pm
By: Ben Nelms

Will Clayton students flood Fayette schools?

Sup’t. DeCotis: ‘Once floodgates are open ... I don’t know how we’d pay for it’

The debacle in Clayton County over its public school system losing accreditation might have an affect across county lines, depending on the outcome of the recently passed Senate Bill 458 and its trip through the Georgia House.

Fayette School System Superintendent John DeCotis said Monday such legislation would not bode well for local taxpayers who will bear much of the expense beyond what state funding provides.

“If this bill is passed and signed into law, Fayette County Schools may be required to enroll students from Clayton if the district loses its accreditation on Sept. 1,” DeCotis said.

“This legislation could have a monumental impact over time on Fayette’s school system if it is also required to accept students from failing schools,” DeCotis said. “Unless the No Child Left Behind Act is changed, more [Fayette] schools will eventually evolve to ‘needs improvement’ status over the years.”

DeCotis said SB 458 provides for state funding but does not account for the local funding that figures so prominently into Fayette’s curriculum, adding that approximately half the dollars required to educate Fayette public school students come from local sources.

“Once the floodgates are open, we would have to open a lot of new resources, and I don’t know how we’d pay for it,” DeCotis said. “Adding this burden would mean cutting programs.”

Also included in the amended SB 458 is the provision that a receiving school system will accept students subject to space being available. DeCotis said he was unsure at this point how many Clayton students Fayette could accommodate.

Accepting students for whatever space might be available would also require hiring additional teachers which, he said, also calls into question the inadequate state funding dollars to pay those salaries.

DeCotis said all students throughout the state deserve the best education possible, and it is understandable that state legislators would want to provide a means for students to seek better opportunities if their districts or schools fail to meet quality standards.

“The Fayette County School System supports this endeavor but is opposed to systems being required to enroll students from other counties and subsequently forcing [Fayette] taxpayers to support the cost of educating non-resident students,” said DeCotis. “Although the school system receives state funding for every student enrolled, it only covers a little over half the cost. The rest is paid locally by property taxes.”

[EDITOR’S NOTE: The Fayette schools’ central office released the following statement Tuesday afternoon:]

Students in non-accredited and failing schools could enroll in other districts

In light of the impending loss of accreditation by Clayton County Schools, a bill has been passed by the Georgia senate that would require public school systems to enroll students from other public districts or schools that are not accredited, on probation for accreditation or have failing schools.

Under Senate Bill 458, parents can opt to have their child attend another school within their school system, enroll and transport their child to a public school in another system or request a scholarship for a private school. SB 458 states, “if a school system or school loses or fails to attain accreditation, a student shall be entitled to attend another public school or receive a scholarship to attend a private school…the public school system shall accept the student subject only to space being available.” The same options are available to students at schools that have been designated “needs improvement” for seven consecutive years.

If this bill is passed and signed into law, Fayette County Schools may be required to enroll students from Clayton if the district loses its accreditation on Sept. 1, 2008. This legislation could have a monumental impact over time on Fayette’s school system if it is also required to accept students from failing schools. Unless the No Child Left Behind Act is changed, more schools will eventually evolve to “needs improvement” status over the years.

All students throughout the state deserve the best education possible and it is understandable that state legislators would want to provide a means for students to seek better opportunities if their districts or schools fail to meet quality standards. The Fayette County School System supports this endeavor but is opposed to systems being required to enroll students from other counties and subsequently forcing taxpayers to support the cost of educating nonresident students. Although the school system receives state funding for every student enrolled, it only covers a little over half the cost; the rest is paid locally by property taxes.

Residents in opposition to SB 458 are encouraged to contact Fayette’s state legislators. Contact information can be found at www.fayettecountyga.gov/elections/us_and_state_elected_officials.htm.

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Submitted by batman7732 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 8:27am.

Let's just rename the city and do away with county lines between Fayette and Clayton. George Bush has nothing to do with Clayton counties school problems. This is a product of Fulton county rejects moving further south. Now the good citizens of Fayette will go scrambling for Coweta , Spalding or Heard counties. Maybe after Sheriff Andy Taylor (Randall Johnson ) retires you can get rid of the good 'ol boys and get some real trained Police Officers to secure the borders.
GOOD LUCK !!!

Submitted by V_O_X on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 8:00am.

Glenn Richardson, the speaker of the House, did not cram SENATE bill 458 - it originated in the Senate and has not passed the house yet. Our own beloved Ronnie Chance voted for it.

As for Dr. DeCotis - he is WEAK and a hypocrite about illegal students that have been here for years. The whole school board is weak and nonresponsive. If it was not for the excellent teachers, students and parents in Fayette County we would be just like Clayton County Schools. The administration is no better.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 8:05am.

You are correct, sir. I should have said "Eric Johnson", not Glenn Richardson.

Hard to keep the Fayette-hating Republicans straight without a scorecard! Laughing out loud


Submitted by V_O_X on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:50pm.

I am not happy with some Republicans either, but they cannot hold a candle to the VILE, VICIOUS, Virgil Fludd and Roberta Abdul Salaam. Both are mean spirited democrats that like to crap on Fayette County whenever the chance arises. They like to hurt us anyway they can. Just look at the voting records. They belong in Clayton County. Oh, that is right they live there. Although virgil has a PO box in Fayetteville, he does not live here.

Submitted by oldbeachbear on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 7:20am.

It would seem if Clayton's schools aren't working, you would first put someone new in charge as well as hire more teachers, get the ration down and pour money into the schools. Raise the saleries by $10,000. a year and if you don't get a response, jack it up another 10,000. At some point, you will get good teachers. Everybody moved here hoping that by doing so our kids would go to school with other nice kids. If Clayton can't handle it's own problem, why should they make it ours? If you keep diluting the schools, there won't be anything left anywhere.

Submitted by Treading Water on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 10:55pm.

Yes, I am serious. Fayette County should secede from the State of Georgia. There is a LONG list of attempts by those non-residents of this county meddling either directly in local affairs or trying to subvert local authority to govern ourselves. The most recent being this attempt at indirectly taking over our school system, and the failed attempt at FORCING county residents to accept district voting just last week. And these attacks are coming from the State level. Fayette is one of the few counties in Georgia that could actually pull off a secession, financially at least, and that is the biggest part of making such a bold move. For those who do not understand the difference between centralized and decentralized government, and how the latter screws the local constituency, this is as prime and real of an example as I have seen. Let's all sit back and watch as yet another of our rights to govern ourselves are stripped away...

Submitted by smoothassilk on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:32pm.

Would someone explain why I shouldn't move into Clayton County with my children so I can opt for them to all go to a private school! Statement taken from article “if a school system or school loses or fails to attain accreditation, a student shall be entitled to attend another public school or receive a scholarship to attend a private school." Maybe my first reaction, which was this bill is appalling and ridiculous and believe me I have already emailed all my legislators including the author of this bill Rep. Amos Amerson, maybe I should think differently. HMMMM, a private school for free! WOW!I don't get it!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 8:38pm.

You might want to tone it down a little.
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Submitted by xb2000 on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 8:34pm.

deleted & banned

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:13pm.

This needs to be cleaned up.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:57pm.

That was quick. Good job.

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Submitted by kjam on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 8:38pm.

That comment is a little over the top! This is about our kids and schools. XB2000, you should be ashamed of yourself. I hope you don't push this off on others around you.

You should be banned from being able to post on this site.
It seems you don't know how to play well with others.
I really take offense to your statement. Maybe you never were taught if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all!


Submitted by swmbo on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 8:24pm.

Dr. DeCotis, with all of the respect due to you, let's start with the basics. First and foremost, Arlene Laws should be fired. Even without legislative authority to invade our schools, Ms. Laws has made it easy for out-of-county students to Steal our tax dollars. So, if you want the residents of this county to help you, you need to demonstrate that you are serious about not allowing illegal students to remain in our schools. Otherwise, rather than getting some money from the State, you'll get NO money from parents who are stealing from our county.

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Submitted by Robert W. Morgan on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 4:18am.

I was told they were going to reassign her and force her out. Maybe I'm talking to the wrong people. I will try again today.

How about a reward? $500 to the student or parent that turns in an illegal? I'll bet that will cost several thousand dollars (possibly less than the cost of educating 1 illegal student) and open up some spaces. Then we could be selective about who we let in, we would at least have students who are honest about where they live and get some state money for them instead of footing 100% of their cost like we do now. Does anyone else see the connection between being honest about where you live and being a good student? Or am I stuck back in the 1950's?

But you are right - get Arlene out now and anyone else who has liberal tendencies about enforcing the existing laws (pun intended). This is not the time to have weak people in charge - we need to fight this invasion with everything possible. Once we clean it up and get rid of the cheaters, we may actually have room for the high achievers who want to learn something.


Submitted by RT Tugger on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 11:48pm.

but let's not stop with Arlene Law. Dr. DeCotis bears responsibility, as do Sam Sweat, C.W. Campbell, and every one of our BOE members, all of whom have ignored this problem for years. Recently, I began recording the out-of-county license plates I happen to see as I am dropping off or picking up my child at Flat Rock Middle School. So far, I have a list of 23 Fulton and Clayton tags, along with, interestingly, 5 Louisiana tags (you'd think the last group would've at least registered their cars in Georgia by now, but they might reside outside of Fayette County as well). My list doesn't even include the out-of-county cars I see leaving Burch Elementary and Sandy Creek High. I'm just one observer at one school, but I've seen enough to know we are educating plenty of non-resident students here in Fayette County. I am so tired of this school district's inaction. Dr. DeCotis said he's unsure how many Clayton students Fayette could accommodate. Why doesn't he first count how many we are currently accommodating? I don't for one minute believe Fayette County will change its do-nothing policies, even if Clayton County loses its accreditation. The empty seats in our schools will just fill up. I find it utterly laughable that the Fayette County BOE would encourage us to contact our state legislators when they themselves have turned a blind eye to this for so long.

Submitted by slj355 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 8:31am.

Just curious... Have you reported these license plates to anyone? I just sent an e-mail to all the BOE members volunteering my time to research any questionable new students coming into the county. I am sure there are many others who would do the same. We should not be footing the bill for out of county students.

Also, maybe someone can help me understand. Wouldn't counties not making the grade and losing their students actually benefit financially by not having to educate those children?

Submitted by oldbeachbear on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:33pm.

They are here already. When I take my kid to school, I ALWAYS see Fulton and Clayton tags, always, everyday. One that I thought was kinda funny the other day was a Fulton tag. She had an Eastern Star frame plate around it that had fell down revealing not only a Fulton tag, but one that also said government on it to. Odd, could it be she works for Fulton government and brings her kid to Sandy Creek? Anyway, Fayettee county doesn't care or they would break it up. This has gone on for years. Remember the Whitewater football player last year that everyone was up in arms over he lived in Clayton? Do you also remember one of Fayette county coaches let him move in with him when people got mad? Also, what about the 'driving while black' woman and her 2. It was proven she lives in Clayton, I bet her kids are STILL here. To move to Fayette and pay these taxes is a joke...
Coweta is that a way folks...lower taxes and good schools. No headaches...

Submitted by smoothassilk on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:46pm.

This bill will affect every county. What you need to understand is that if Fayette County schools are at capacity, or fill up, these Clayton County kids will have your county and Coweta to go to. Along with Henry, South Fulton and others. If passed. this law will provide for ALL SCHOOLS that "require public school systems to enroll students from other public districts or schools that are not accredited, on probation for accreditation or have failing schools." This type of situation is not exclusive just to Fayette but all counties that have these types of sad situations going on. Believe me, there are many in Georgia.

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Submitted by NUK_1 on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 10:22pm.

That bills needs to at least narrow it down to that one criteria since there has only been one school system in the US to ever lose accreditation. Once you add in "failing" or "probation," suddenly it's like No Child Left Unmoved on super steroids and every school system gets dramatically affected. Not a lot of thought went into this piece of legislation.


Submitted by oldbeachbear on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:55pm.

but Coweta seems a bit further, and I'm stick of the deal that they haven't even tried to keep the kids from Fulton or Clayton out up till now, as I said, I think they are hypocrites to say something now. We are the fools, to have moved here, paid the high taxes and played my the rules...agreed, it would be smart to move to Clayton and get to go to a private school.

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Submitted by secret squirrel on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 6:55am.

Just a quick reminder: this bill was introduced by Eric Johnson and heavily sponsored by Georgia Republicans. If you look at the vote in the state senate, you'll notice that many Democrats, Seay included, voted against this bill. Vouchers have long been a dangerous proposal advocated by many on the right, especially those of a religious persuasion, and now it has come full circle to bite them in the arse.

I'd love to think this would prompt greater forethought when proposing self-serving legislation. Unfortunately, we're dealing with politicians who can't see past the end of their collective nose much less down the road on the civic landscape.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 7:39pm.

but something tells me that Jordan or Seay will ignore me. Gee, why would that be?

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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 5:33pm.

Which Fayette legislators in particular should be contacted?

How in the heck does a county school board manage to bring things to the point of losing accreditation in the first place?

It boggles the mind.

What were these people doing? What were they thinking? Were they thinking? Were they even capable of thought?

There is so much talk of the ways in which Clayton County has deteriorated in recent decades. The truth of these observations is just self-evident. It is dirty--no, filthy--and crime-ridden. I hate even to pass through. Now this. It is, quite possibly, by various ways of reckoning, the worst county in Georgia.

To think that Fayette taxpayers may end up having to come to the rescue due to this monumental ineptitude is nauseating.

I live far too close to the Clayton County line, and intend to sell and move--in this horrendous market and with declining Fayette property values--as soon as possible.

The ship is sinking, folks. Man the lifeboats.


Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:54pm.

We already gave the crime thugs one county, why should we give them another?? We gave them a nice county and they ruined by electing horrendous politicians, starting with the school board and sheriff, ignore crime-walking-small-hill.

People did we not just learn this lesson 20 short years ago?? Remeber that is when we all picked up and moved ourselves over here to what was formerly know as the "hick" county. We all picked up and moved almost overnight because crime had increased. Homes were sold overnight.

If we don't move, they can't move in, or at least not very many of them can move in.

The best part is we can make their lives hell if they break the law. Keep calling the cops everytime we see someone break the law. Call 911 on cars that are driving erratically, and speeding. Everytime they shoplift, call the cops. Everytime a drug party gets out of control and the music is too loud....call the cops. Everytime you see heavy traffic at a home which suggests drug sales and use....CALL THE COPS. If you see a car that doesn't belong on your street, CALL THE COPS.

Our Sheriff's dept. still has a great reputation of being tough on crime for now. Hopefully that will not change. 2 of the candidates Hannah and Babb have a bad reputation with criminals...Good Reputation with the rest of us. They aren't "play'n" and the men and women who work for them aren't "play'n" either.

If we don't cave into the rattling sabers of criminals, and the politicians who are easy on criminals we should be fine. When we moved criminals moved into clayton and they elected people like victor hill who would be easy on crime, and criminals. He looks the other way so they got what they wanted.

Right now the only weak link I thought we had was our DA, but after the last couple of cases that were handed tough sentences; maybe he has come around to our way of thinking.

That trashy county has until Sept. to get it together. Let them clean up the mess they made. Why give them more things to ruin? Would you give the town drunk a case of vintage wine for safe keeping??

As long as the Sheriff's Dept. the DA, and our Judges stay strong do their job and continue to be tough on crime I don't think we have to worry. We have several elections coming up soon. How we vote this time will determine the fate of our county.

We need to check our candidates work history if they are not from here. It is easy to make up a resume. It is harder to make old news stories, reports and investigative reporters go away. Just because someone says they were ..."fill in the blank..job title"...doesn't mean it is true and it doesn't mean that they weren't forced out. If they were investigated by the FBI find out why and what the outcome was. A great resource would be the newspaper from wherever they came from. I think some of our current candidates think we hayseed types are too stupid to check out credentials and work history. When it comes to electing a judge I want to get my hands on the results of previous cases they heard. How tough were they? What is their educational background and can it be verified? What is their criminal background? Remember the judge from Gwinette County that had so many DUI's and would skip court every afternoon to go sit in a bar?

If we aren't careful folks that kind of crap could happen here.

Submitted by smoothassilk on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 10:15pm.

Thank-you...really, I agree with everything you stated. People need to research candidates, be pro-active in fighting crime all of that. What I would like add concerning the upcoming elections, especially the candidates running for Sheriff and you fail to mention is candidate Dave Simmons. Mr. Simmons has 23 years of executive law enforecement/security experience. He was the Deputy Chief of Police, Detroit, Michigan, Commanding Officer for Special Crime Section, Commanding Officer, Crime Prevention Section, has had 35 citations and commendations, Departmental Citation, Wound Award and Departmental Medal for Valor (Purple Heart) and so much more. Mr. Simmons has written articles for The Citizen that can also be researched about his plans to fight crime in Fayette County.

Please Sky, along with Fayette residents....research Mr. Simmons and you may come to realize that this man may be just what we need to solve some of these issues.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 10:38pm.

There are two sides to every story. Tom1939, pointed us all in the right direction from info he had from a friend in law enforcement. I decided to check it out to see what I would find. I have talked to 2 reporters from Detroit Freespress. I would suggest that everyone do the same. Anyone can make up a resume and work experience. I have requested copies of old investigations from 12+yrs ago. It is any citizens right. We'll see what happens. I'm not making a judgement yet, just asking a lot of questions. I will say one guy seemed almost afraid to talk about detroit PD. This reporter also indicated and I quote "there are so many scandals over there I can't remember which one you are talking about, I'll have to research that".

As I said there are 2 sides to every story. There might be a reasonable explanation for all of it. You need to do your own homework I have done mine.

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 11:12pm.

Read below

Submitted by Tom1939 on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 11:22pm.

This post is a little long. I have watched the workings of the Detroit police with great interest. As the fear in the voice of the reporters you've talked with must suggest, it is the stuff of novels. There were many very nasty people sliding out of the Detroit police department. But, in all things, trust facts that can be verified with an independent, objective source. Skyspy, my aim is to merely provide you with some information so you can ask informed questions. The answers to your questioins should begin to paint a picture for you. Paint a picture about someone's character. I have no pull or control over any news reporter. I have not talked to any news reporter. However, what I do have is knowledge that can reveal much about a person's character, over-bloated ego and fitness for handling the power that naturally comes with a leadership position. I will make a prediction, being a political creature and educated in the lifelong Democrat, Detroit Mayor Coleman A. Young school of political machine politics, former Commander (Deputy Chief) Simmons, if elected, is probably thinking about and will probably mandate all command officers sell his re-election campaign tickets. That is the kind of political system he cut his teeth on. In Detroit, to rise through the ranks, all police officers who joined him or herself to the Mayor Young administration had to sell his campaign flush fund tickets that sold for $300 a ticket. Now, Detroit being an economically depressed city, there were few people or business owners these cops could twist arms and shakedown for $300 to take back to Coleman Young in order to keep their rank and continue rising up through the ranks. That meant the cop had to pull the money from savings and kick-back part of his or her salary to the mayor. If the officer refused to take the campaign flush fund ticketbook from the Police Chief the day he doled the books out, that cop was demoted on the spot by the Chief. Coleman Young made all of his police command officers sign "undated" letters of resignation and hand those letters to the Chief for safe keeping. If the flush fund ticketbook was not taken, the letter was pulled out and a date put on it. The higher the rank of the cop, meant there were more $300 tickets in the ticketbook the cop was given. Ask the Detroit Free Press reporters about this promotional system of the Detroit police department under Coleman Young as it existed while Simmons was there and rising in the ranks. Will Simmons attempt to institute that "machine politics" system down here once in office? Again, these are just facts that are part of the public record. Any individual running for public office should know this is part of the vetting process. A Detroit Police Deputy Chief, to this day, commands whole divisions of the department. Not a unit, bureau or section that is within a division of the department. Deputy Chief's are at the top of the food chain just below the Chief. Yet, Simmons admits to commanding sections and units but not whole police department divisions. Commanders head sections, units and bureaus. But, who would know the difference down here in GA? Don't you need to know these things because how else would you know? Simmons is not from here. The other probable candidates for sheriff are open books because they have decades of current professional service, histories and experience down here. We know almost all there is to know about them that helps us make judgments about their character, as well. Simmons has decades old police service, and until my post, all you could do was take his word about an FBI training course he attended 24 years ago. His detailed "plan of action" was probably lifted from a "community policing" book since he has not worked in law enforcement as a command officer in over 12 years. How could he make such a detailed community policing plan when he's never had the need to do community policing and has never been in a position to develop a community policing policy or plan? The city of Highland Park had no community to police. Just dog packs occupying the abandoned buildings and male prostitutes on Woodward Ave. His plan probably came from the book, "Community Policing by the Nubmers" or "Get Community Policing by Following Ten Simple Steps." When you think about it, it's kinda funny!

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 7:20am.

Is this why chief young and simmons were investigated by the FBI? At first I did not want to pay for back issues and articles from detroit free press, but this tics me off. Now I want a report from that FBI investigation.

Wow this guy sounds worse everyday.

Most people in law enforcement are not impressed by his "FBI training class" because most rookies go through the same training when they hire on. It is part of rookie cop school. Most people know that.

Also I have read his "detailed plan of action" I kind of felt sorry for him because it is so out of date. His plan of action is what the sheriff's dept. used in the 80's to keep the clayton drug lords out. It would only impress a few housewives who do not know anyone in current law enforcement.

Our local law enforcement has had to use much more sophisticated actions plans to keep up with todays criminal. Thank God our Sheriff's Dept. uses the drug money wisley to purchase advanced equipment including the helocopters.

Tom keep pointing me in the right direction. This guy is starting to have I Team written all over his past behavior. The money scandal sounds like it is definitly criminal activity, and a good way for top management to line their pockets. That has to be illegal. No wonder he wants to get his hands back in law enforcment. Sounds like he needs to make extra cash on the side. Most people when they retire from a demanding and stressful job in law enforcement do no chose to go back into it. That's why this guy didn't pass "bs" test with me. He sounded fishy from the start.

Keep the info coming Tom

Submitted by Tom1939 on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 7:55am.

During Simmons' time on the Detroit police department, William Hart, was the Police Chief. The lifelong Democratic Mayor Coleman Young's appointed police chief, William Hart embezzled over $2mil from the Detroit police department drug forfeiture fund, was convicted of the crime and spent a few years in federal prison. However, during his tenure Detroit Police Chief William Hart issued out for the mayor, Coleman Young's re-election campaign flush fund ticketbooks to all ranking police officers connected to Mayor Young's political machine. The Mayor's leverage over the officer was, take the ticketbook, and no $300 ticket could be returned to the chief unsold and keep your rank and possibly rise in rank. Or, don't accept the re-election flush fund ticketbook and your undated signed letter of resignation is dated, you are demoted so someone else can get appointed to the ranking position who WILL sell the flush fund tickets. The thing is this, Sheriffs are not appointed by a Mayor. Sheriffs are elected and can have a powerbase independent of any higher authority but themselves. Sheriffs, if they are so inclined, can create his or her own political machine and bind ranking officers to their political machine by keeping them in fear of loosing their ranking position on the sheriffs department. Why is there all the preliminary conversation about if current officers on the sheriff's department are safe in their positions on the department after the election? Furthermore, if a sheriff is so inclined when the sheriff's department has to award a contract will a friend or family member form a company to bid on the contract?

Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 8:13am.

Wow, this is not good.

Submitted by Tom1939 on Thu, 03/27/2008 - 9:15am.

Skyspy, your mistake in understanding and following the names of the main players from Simmons' professional background in Detroit illustrates that people living down here don't know and have no way of knowing, as well. And, the things you have no way of knowing can be used against you. Unless someone supplies you with historical details to put over-bloated egoistical BS into a contextual setting you would have no way of knowing. I'm mere supplying some background information to even out the playing field for all other candidates for sheriff. All of the other candidates for sheriff are known commodities in this community based on their long history of service in this community. Their probable motivation for seeking the office is the job and the community. How can someone with experience from 10, 20 or more years from the past, from the 1980's and 1990's, compare to someone with current, on-going experience from 2008? Especially when that person with old experience advances the notion that his dated experience makes him better suited than the other candidates with current experience. Shouldn't his experience be examined? When his experience is closely examined out comes the race card. Why protest the examination? There may be many people who are waiting for an opportunity to form a business venture and do business with the sheriff's office, if only Simmons can get elected. Simmons' discredited old boss from Detroit, Ike McKinnon, probably will seek one of the first professional services contracts awarded under a Simmons' administration. Who knows!

Submitted by smoothassilk on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 9:59am.

Mr. Simmons has diplomas to support every degree listed on his resume. There are many pictures on his website to support every award listed on his resume. What you (sky) are trying to do is to create doubt in the minds of persons who can't deal with a black person who is qualified. Before the election, I am sure there will be people doing many desperate things to discredit this very qualified candidate. People, go to Mr. Simmons website, research if you will, but please do not discredit this man because of his race or because he is an "outsider."

Mr. Simmons has an article in today's Letter of The Citizen.

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Submitted by mother hen on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 1:37pm.

I didn't realize Mr. Simmons was black until you mentioned it. Why throw that race card? Are you unable to support your candidate without resorting to these sorts of tactics? Mr. Simmons is black, people aren't sure he's the best candidate, therefore their lack of support MUST result from not wanting to support a black man? Have you lost your mind?


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 03/26/2008 - 2:03pm.

She is talking about checking a website that he wrote himself as proof of qualifications, and of course brings in the race card.

I'm talking about verifying employment records, investigation reports, and news articles. It is our right as citizens to check these things out. Maybe that Tom1939, is a disgruntled ex-employee of detroit PD who knows. I don't intend to take his word for any of this. That is why I'm trying to check out his story.

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Submitted by 2boysRmine on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 8:05pm.

http://www.fayettecountyga.gov/elections/us_and_state_elected_officials.htm

You can find all the contact people at the above web site.


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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 7:30pm.

Please don't be the start of 'white-flight' out of Fayette County. Your neighborhood needs you to stay and fight, not give up and throw in the towel by moving. Can you start a neighborhood watch? Try and get active in your neighborhood - call the cops and get the vagrants out of the houses - just don't leave.

Yes, you'll take a beating on your house if you sell now. Clayton schools could turn things around. Wait another year before you do anything drastic.... but fight for your neighborhood, now!


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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 8:34pm.

It will take months for me to be prepared to put the place on the market anyway.

But that is precisely what I am aiming to do as of now. Things really have, in a very obvious way, gone down the tubes in this neighborhood and, indeed, the whole area. I just really don't thnink there's much left anymore to salvage where we are.

A developer has also started tearing up a spot near the New Hope/92 intersection--not far from me--no doubt to build more crappy styrofoam houses and to create more congestion in the area. I pity the family in the home that will now be surrounded by it. I believe they've lived there in a nice rural setting for many years. That is all about to change dramatically.

You know, the realtor who showed us houses 11 years ago tried, in a subtle way, to warn us that this area was likely to falter. I didn't listen, thinking only that the proximity to the Fulton line would shorten my commute. I wasn't thinking of the proximity to the Clayton line.


Submitted by oldbeachbear on Tue, 03/25/2008 - 9:41pm.

and no one has done anything...I'm tired of fighting...moving is the answer. You have to think, is there any hope of winning? and the answer is 'no'. It is a little late for Decotis to start talking about this now. For years people complained about out of county kids and it has be swept under the rug...they have more rights than we do. For Decotis to start lamenting this now, is almost hypocritial. Last on out, don't let the door knob get you!

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