FCBOE Verification of Residence

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I have been reading recent postings on "other Counties" attending FC Schools. This has been an issue for several years.
For the Family that lives in Rivers Edge, and your Kids attend White Water Schools--SHAME ON YOU!
For the vehicles that sit behind Capt D's with Clayton Co tags--What are you doing there, be aware, you are being watched.
I think I'm going to ask FCBOE for a job. I will watch for out of county tags at FCHS, write them down, do research, and see where it goes.
As far back as I can remember, every year I have had to provide legal-real proof of residency at the beginning of the school year. No problem, I don't mind.
We pay high taxes in a county that we live in, but we choose to live here.
I am tired of feeling like I am being robbed. So, when I go to FCBOE, and ask for a job, they should say "Hey, great, we have somebody really wanting to do this job"!!! I'm game, should be a cool job to have. I wonder what it pay's? If anyone else wants to join me in tracking down "out of towners", just let me know, the more the better chance we have to help our Schools!
Looking forward to my new J-O-B!!!

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Submitted by concerned SHME ... on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 3:35pm.

I wrote down 5 pages of out of county tags this morning from the drop off line at Sara Harp Minter and Whitewater Middle, plus, the student parking lot at Whitewater High School. Some of them may be staff kids, but not all of them . . . not 5 pages worth. I took them directly to the FCBOE and personally handed them to Arlene Law. She refused to take them. I told her the Sherriff's Department would check them out for her if the FCBOE requested and she said "Well, I guess you should take them to the Sherriff's office then." Apparently, the FCBOE does not care that there are out of county students in our school system. They should care if we are really in such a terrible financial state that East Fayette has to be closed this year instead of waiting until 2009-2010 like they voted on December 17, 2007 at the Board Meeting. All the parents who have children at Minter and are being redistricted out should refuse to leave until these out of county people leave. Make the out of county children leave and then there will be room in our schools for our children. How can they make children who live in Fayette County go to a different school and okay out of county kids in the same school. THIS IS WRONG!!! And, it's our tax money paying for it! And, if we get rid of all these out of county kids at the high schools, I'm sure we would have much less problems with gangs. DO THE RIGHT THING, FCBOE!!!

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Submitted by kjam on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 5:39pm.

I spoke with Ms. Law early this morning. I called her extension yesterday afternoon and left a message. She did kindly return my phone call (Thank you Ms. Law, if you happen to read this) I expressed my concern about out of county Students, as well as others that have been blogging with complaints. Ms. Law was kind to me, answered my questions etc...

I asked what her procedures were for verification of residency.

Response was: When new Students are registerd, Adults are required to provide proof of residency, such as documentation of power or electric bills, lease information and so on. From that time on if the Students remain in FC school district, let's say they entered FC district in 4th grade, they would have to provide proof again in 6th grade & in 9th grade. Proof does not have to be done on a yearly basis anymore. I was stunned. This is a problem!

I asked if she utilized any Law Enforcement in verification.

Ms. Law stated when she needs to, she has "A Deputy and a Marshall's Officer" that she goes to.

I asked if she was aware of the Parent who lives in Rivers Edge in Clayton County who's Kids are going to Whitewater High & Middle Schools?

Ms. Law was familiar with the female and stated at the time of verification, this female did provide proof of living in Fayette Co. I indicated to Ms. Law I had pulled the tax records for this family in Clayton Co, even went as far to say she could find it in the previous blogs. I stated to her citizens had driven past the house, located vehicle's and so on. Ms. Law indicated she would investigate this matter further.

Ms. Law stated approx. 2000 students enrolled just this school year from Clayton Co (WOW), and approx 500 had been verified. A few had been told "You can not come back to FC schools". Great, 500 done, only 1500 more to go. We are 1/2 through the school year already. I asked if she had anyone helping with this, offered to come to work for her to get this accomplished. She kind of giggled (was not being mean), and stated "she wore a lot of hats in her job". Well, don't we all. I again asked for a job...Come on FCBOE, you have to have proper staff on hand to do a job correctly, to cut down on problems in the schools. Look at it this way, if were not blogging on FCBOE troubles, we would be talking about somebody else right??????
Who's up to going to the Board meeting next week about this problem?
I'll be there.

I would have to say, Ms. Law is correct in stating this...
Just because you turn a "out of county" tag number into her, she can not find out who this is, without a Students name. This is impossible.
If a person moved to FC, let's say from Clayton Co, by law they have 30 day's to register the vehicle. Do most of them do this? NOPE.
They will wait until their birthday to get proper decal & county sticker. We see a "out of county plate", and for the most part assume they are illegal students. I'm sure some of them are, and yes this angers me, and I want to correct this.
I'll be seeing you at the meeting, unless anyone wants to meet for coffee to discuss a game plan sooner!

Submitted by swmbo on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 9:52pm.

The only proof of FCBOE's efforts to root out parents stealing our education tax dollars will be found in the truth of the documents FCBOE has obtained. Why not file a request under the Georgia Open Records Act for copies of the proof of residency documents provided in a school where you see lots of out of county tags? If the proof of residency was a utility bill, call the utility and ask if that account is still active (they may have to block out the name but the account number should be viewable). If FCBOE needs citizen volunteers then there are many who are willing to step up to the plate but if citizens investigate and identify out-of-county students and FCBOE does nothing then, heads had better roll. Sad

Frankly, I would wonder what types of proof of residency been accepted -- not what types are acceptable but what types have actually been accepted. The reason I'm curious is that it does not make sense to me that all of the out-of-county tags we're seeing at Fayette County schools are connected to parents who provided valid, acceptable proof of Fayette county residency, nor should FCBOE assume that the proof that was valid a year ago is valid now.

If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

Submitted by sageadvice on Fri, 02/01/2008 - 6:09am.

You people sound like the WW2 Nazis: "papers", "papers."

The state pays most of the school bills, why does it matter where they go as long as the school isn't full?
I don't need some official telling me where I can take my kid to public school.
I wouldn't go to some of those schools either!!!

And, it is none of anyones business where I live!

By the way I am Anglo-Hawaiian-AfroAsian. All are humans!

Submitted by skyspy on Fri, 02/01/2008 - 8:19am.

I does matter where they live. Our COUNTY pays for our schools with very little help if any from the state or feds.

If they don't like the unaccredited clayton schools they shouldn't live there.

Do you like paying higher taxes?? I don't unless it is for something I think is important. Paying higher taxes for out of county kids isn't something I'm willing to do. They aren't worth it.

The out of county students cause many problems in our schools. They take up extra time from the rest of the students because they are usually behind. They also have been discipline problems, which we don't need we have enough problems with our own brats.

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 02/01/2008 - 10:33am.

It's a beautiful day, huh.Smiling I am working at a convention, and the good parent that I am, friends are at my house watching my son and 5 friends- he would love for me to- I said in your dreams. I never leave him when we go out of town by himself, I don't understand what parent would- that's a temptation to do things they shouldn't. I just hope they can hear when we return. They are all playing their guitars,etc. their band.Smiling

"Hope Changes Everything"

Submitted by sageadvice on Fri, 02/01/2008 - 8:41am.

You are wrong. You were guessing. The state pays most of the school expenses just for that reason---some counties act awfully, otherwise!!

Even the lottery pays more than any county does.

I don't think you would want to pay ALL of what it takes to run the public schools in Fayette!

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Fri, 02/01/2008 - 8:34am.

there is an article on the Op-ed page of the AJC this morning from the superintendent of schools in Oglethorpe County and it has a thumbnail breakdown of funding for county schools. You will find that teachers' salaries, the biggest ticket item for local school budgets, are funded primarily by the state, while school construction is also subsidized by the state and feds. While this does not address the problem of out of county students, local funding can be deflected as a valid argument. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Fri, 02/01/2008 - 6:49am.

What is your solution?
Caution - The Surgeon General has determined that constant blogging is an addiction that can cause a sedentary life style.

Submitted by Split Decision on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 11:11pm.

The only proof of residency both of my children's schools would accept was a current utility bill. They said water and gas bills were not considered proof since they could be billed without anyone living at the specified address.

If it was a renter of an apartment who had not lived there long enough to receive their first utility bill, their Lease/Purchase contract was accepted.

Before the Welcome Center was established, each school's Guidance Dept. was responsible for having proof of res. for each student enrolled in their school. Now, with proof only having to be provided for the first year a student attends or advances to a new school - ie. starting elem. (K or Pre-K), elementary to middle (6th grade), or middle to high school (9th grade) - that leaves several years' gap for unscrupulous parents to take advantage of our school system.

I didn't mind having to provide proof at the beginning of each school year, because I don't have anything to hide - I live and pay taxes in Fayette County. I wish we still had to provide proof each year.

Submitted by sageadvice on Fri, 02/01/2008 - 6:19am.

You certainly confuse me!
If water and gas aren't utilities, what is? Do you mean electric only?
Do you know how easy it is to reproduce any kind of bill nowadays?
Forget about it!
Would you care if Bush's coming grandkid wanted to go to your school? And live in New York? No you wouldn't say a word!

Submitted by daisyheadmaisy on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 4:21pm.

Law has refused to do anything with the out-of-county tag numbers and vehicle descriptions I've emailed her, too. She replied that she needed the students' names before she could "check into it."

It's like the BoE really doesn't want to make the effort to actually kick ANY student out with help from us FC parents. It's no wonder so few out-of-county students are removed from our schools, and unfortunately, they know the odds are overwhelming in their favor to not get caught, too.

Submitted by hopeful on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 4:06pm.

I HOPE you plan on attending and speaking about this at the public hearing scheduled next week, if they would leave SpringHill kids at that school and move East Fayette to Inman then Minter kids would not need to be moved, but it seems that the board can't see the light, for all the fog Sam Sweat has showed them. The more people that voice these concerns to the board the better for the whole county.

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Submitted by TruthSleuth1958 on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 7:51pm.

The Public Record Of Her Residence in Clayton County

Well, maybe she has more than one house ... and one is in Fayette County ... maybe. Hey, it could happen!

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Submitted by kjam on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:16am.

Great posting job... Gosh, I love the internet.
Pulled this up myself.....
Anyone with Kids that go to WHS, has anyone heard if
Administration has checked into this? I'm sure they have
either read about this, or heard about this...
Just wondering. My thought is, just like we live our
lives, and teach our kids.... DO THE RIGHT THING!!

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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 6:41pm.

Looking for feedback on the law.
If there are any Law Enforcement officers reading this post, please let me know if this is considered "Theft of Services".


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 7:05pm.

What does the law say about residence verification? How much trouble are some of these people in for sending their kids to Fayette County Schools? Also do we report suspects to the Sheriff's dept. or school board first?

The school board won't answer the phone. Someone always answers the phone at the Sheriff's office. Any help would be appreciated.

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Submitted by kjam on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 12:20am.

I thought about this tonight as well.
Would like to have your thoughts and feedback on this problem.
This is a major issue for some of us who really do live in the county and pay taxes.
How would you handle this problem? What are your views?
What can do done by FCBOE, Law Enforcement, etc..
Gladly reply.

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Thu, 01/31/2008 - 9:51am.

The very last thing I can imagine is running for public office. I don't have any intention of letting anyone think they have any control over me merely because they supported me in an election, and thats exactly what happens.

I resigned from the Republican Party's executive Board and from the Board of Elections because I couldn't in all honesty, associate myself with people who had finally allowed their personal desires to be of more importance than the ideals for which I believed the Republican party was supposed to stand.

So, don't accuse me of running for any office. Supreme Dictator of all that I survey, okay, but don't pile me in with those that run for office. I have neither the stomach to tolerate the abuses they must withstand, nor the desire to be in exclusive control. Two important qualities that are necessary nowadays.

As to the Clayton County students, well, I have to assume that they are making some effort at keeping them out, but it is still happening. Its pretty obvious that it is. But if we can't send a real illegal back home to Mexico after being arrested for the umptenth time, how do you expect our own Board of Education to do anything about American citizens driving their kids an extra 20 miles to attend our local schools?

I do support a more aggressive means by which these students are caught. I think a "bounty" on every student's head could be given. A reward for information leading to the discovery of any out of county students attending our schools might work. Sure, the political correctness types would call this barbaric, but, once the word got out, I suspect, our schools would begin seeing a voluntary decrease in students. The cost savings would certainly make up for the bounty paid out for these illegal students.*

*Comments like these will forever follow me and prevent me from ever being elected. I'm too politically incorrect to be elected to any office.

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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 5:10pm.

As of 5:00 pm, this is crazy.
I looked up on FCBOE.org residency verification, located phone number to call, I did so, no answer, so I left a message.
I then called FC Tax Commissioners office. Spoke with 3 people (all were nice), but stated "IF" someone from FCBOE comes to their office to verify residency, they give them the info. Lady said "Adults" registering students are supposed to show proof of filing Homestead in Fayette Co. That bit of information is not listed on FCBOE web site.
Guess my next step is to call FCSO, see if they have anyone assigned to do this job. I don't recall in past Law Enforcement dealing with this, but I could be mistaken. Would like to think they were out fighting serious crime, but I do appreciate any work Law Enforcement does for us in the County!!
Again, feel free to assist me here, looking for all & any help in this "crime wave" we have going on.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 5:16pm.

I have a few friends at the SO, they are busy, but this is "theft of service" and it is a crime to the tune of 8,000 dollars per student.

I'll see what they recomend. I know my friends who are taxpayers here as well, by the way, are teeed off about this too.

Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 7:24pm.

Until the School Board ASKS the Sheriff to arrest or investigate someone at the school for their tags---it ain't gonna happen!

Same category as the PTC cart paths, the illegal immigrants in Fayette County, and the local bars after 12 PM on Friday and Saturday nights!
Out of bounds.

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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 5:24pm.

Great. If you can contact them, see what they say.
Will do research to see if I can get further as well, as far if true legal term would be "Theft of Services". I know that applies to services in the business world. Not sure if that applies here.
I listed my email in previous post on reporting tags. Feel free to pass along to them if they want to contact me as well.

Submitted by swmbo on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 6:24pm.

Depending upon what is written on the form for registering a child in Fayette County Schools, it could be False Swearing because the parents are making a written representation and signing as to its truth that the children live in Fayette County.

If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 5:32pm.

be careful of spammers and crazies getting ahold of your personal email on here...


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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 5:41pm.

Yes, I know. I use gmail for misc stuff. It does catch a lot of spam.
Didn't want to give out my "real email"!

Submitted by Gagirl on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 4:17pm.

I was behind a Clayton County tag while dropping my daughter off this morning, so infuriating. I'm paying a fortune in property taxes for other peoples kids.

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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 4:06pm.

I started my list today. Saw one from Clayton Co & one from Upson Co (I see this car all the time @ FCHS, not sure where she lives, but have written down other tags that have been sent to me so far. Thanks to those willing to help.
I would like to "see a show of hands" on who is willing to stand with me, beside me, in front of me... to do something about this.
I am calling FCBOE this afternoon, to get their exact policy on how they verify residency and go from there.
If anyone is interested to join along with me, feel free to email me at gabbygirl0720@gmail.com.
Looking forward to meeting citizens that "do the right thing"!

Submitted by Rememberwhen on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 4:13pm.

I have a list from Sandy Creek about 20 cars - thing is three or four students will get into some of the cars - Also, go after the Fayette County people that sign that these
students live with them when they do not -
One more thing, a group of students hang around after school waiting for someone to pick them up (large groups) if they live in Fayette wouldn't they ride the bus home? I will have to sit in the parking lot a little longer and get more tags.
Let me know who to send this growing list to and I will email today.

Submitted by Daniel Ross on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 4:26pm.

At SCHS lots of kids hang around and wait until Flat Rock lets out so that they can then go pick up their siblings or wait for their parents to pick up their siblings.

Plus, many SCHS students do not ride the bus. I don't know why, but they just don't.

Having said that, some of them may be out of county, but you have to remember that part of the 30213 zipcode (part of Westbridge Rd.) is slated to go to SCHS since it is technically inside Fayette County, but some of these people have Fulton tags.

"Triangle Park"? Give me a break.
They should have fixed Shamrock first.

SCHS '07. Drumline.

Submitted by Spyglass on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 4:47pm.

PERIOD. You might have a Wildlife tag or etc, but you most certainly would not have a Fulton tag and be legal. You have 30 days from the time you move to change the registration of your vehicles.

Submitted by Daniel Ross on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 4:58pm.

I'm aware of this, but people that live off of westbridge have a Fairburn address, not a Fayetteville one. I'm not sure if this is in the county or not, but they're slated to go to Sandy Creek.

"Triangle Park"? Give me a break.
They should have fixed Shamrock first.

SCHS '07. Drumline.

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Submitted by yardman5508 on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 5:13pm.

have nothing to do with what county one lives in. Postal addresses are/were determined by the US Postal Service. It is possible to live in Fairburn (postal address) and in Fayette County (actual residence). To get a car tag (county government) you have to reside in a particular county. You CAN, most certainly, break the law and register a car in some other county. I knew someone whose parents registered her car in Bryan County (I think) because the insurance rates were so much lower in rural GA. Additionally, many teachers live outside the county (really, can they actually afford to live here?) and can enroll their children in any county school (up to now). Check out the map of Fayette County and you can pretty much tell where the lines are. Keep the faith.

Democracy is not a spectator sport.

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Submitted by kjam on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 4:16pm.

Feel free to send me a post.


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Submitted by All Smiles on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 9:24am.

I’m not able to disclose my line of work, but in looking over paperwork at my place of employment I am able to see where many children attend school and their home address. I turn them all into Arlene Law! I’ve turned in so many suspected school jumpers it’s not funny! Arlene and I are now on a first name basis. Unknown to me, some are children of school system employee, okay. But yes, I’ve nailed some. Even if Ms. Wendy Scales-Johnson vehicles have Fayette County plates but her legal domicile is in Clayton County, then we should prosecute her! PERIOD!!! What a d-a she is if she really lives out of county and caused all of this attention to herself and children!!! But like they say, thieves are really stupid; they all slip up at some point and open the door to getting caught.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 8:15am.

Sara Harp Minter
White Dodge Caravan
Clayton Co Tag AAQ 3135
Dropping off 3 kids

The thing about it is this. Even if they may have moved to Fayette, George Wingo and company should run the plate to make sure we're getting the tax revenue on the vehicle.

Submitted by oldbeachbear on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 8:33am.

kids now that she 'outed' them by complaining about the police stopping them all the time? Maybe the clayton plates on their cars at the school should get someone's attention.

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Submitted by TruthSleuth1958 on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 9:02am.

It is so close to where I live I decided to go see for myself. Guess what?

Mr. Chevy boy and the White Sable (It was actually a white Sable I think and not a Taurus ... they are the same basically) and a Van all in the same drive in River's Edge in Clayton County right where the bloggers said they would be - but they had Fayette County Tags and Whitewater High School Stickers on the cars. Go figure .... ??

Submitted by oldbeachbear on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 9:16am.

I went to the clayton county tax records on line and looked her up....under Scales Johnson. It is a joke to live here and pay these taxes to educate everyone else's kids.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 9:14am.

This racebaiting knucklehead needs to pay us back!!! Kick her kids out now!

Submitted by Hey on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 8:27am.

I saw a Clayton Co. tag all the way down at Starrs Mill dropping one off. I noticed it because I had to sit and wait behind them while the kid took forever getting out. I tried to memorize the tag, but forgot it by the time I got to work.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 8:32am.

Make sure you have pen and paper handy. Write down all of the tags from clayton that you see and turn them in. This is our county and our money and we need to take it back.

Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 11:32am.

Shouldn't the County Sheriff's department do this?
Or has the school told them NOT to?

Submitted by oldbeachbear on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 7:49am.

It looks like Sandy Creek has them too. Yesturday, I noticed the tag of the car in front of me only because the kid was taking their time getting out like they were the only one going to school. I saw the truck had a Fulton plate, same thing in the afternoon, the car in front of me had a Fulton tag as well. Then I noticed some of the other plates and they were those special ones, you know with the dog or hummingbirds, or whatever. Those didn't seem to state a county, or maybe I was looking in the wrong spot on them.

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 10:14pm.

I'm sick of the threats, and crime that sneak in from other counties. To top it off they are stealing our tax dollar.

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Submitted by kjam on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 10:19pm.

Great, I'm SO serious.
I hear there are bloggers meetings at coffee shops, we can have "Let's Git Em Outta Here" meetings. I'm not scared.
We can start a posse'!

Submitted by skyspy on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 10:25pm.

If the school board is behind on paper work and seeking warrants I would be happy to help with the backlog of paperwork.

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Submitted by kjam on Tue, 01/29/2008 - 10:29pm.

I'm calling tomorrow!!!

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Submitted by Tug13 on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 12:30pm.

Stick with your plan! Flood the Board Of Education with out of county tag numbers!
Sometimes I pick my grandchildren up at FCHS.
I will have a pen and paper.

Submitted by Carolina76Girl on Wed, 01/30/2008 - 9:56am.

I have been waiting for people to FINALLY get fed up with all of the out of county kids. It's going to have to be up to the citizens! Why do we work hard? Why do we try to live in Fayette? Why do we pay extra taxes on our homes and vehicles? When out of county people ruin what we pay for? Our schools are turning violent! Our stores are down right scary - even in the day time! And NO ONE is doing a thing to stop it!
Fayette,it's time for you to stand up! Be careful, they don't fight fair!!! You say it too loudly, and the next gang activity may be on your door step!

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