Fayette DA: No tolerance for gangs

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 5:18pm
By: John Munford

At Monday night’s NAACP forum on gang activity in Fayette County, not everyone was pleased with the get-tough attitude local officials are placing on gang activity.

Panel member Alice Jones

To keep gang activity from taking hold in Fayette County, District Attorney Scott Ballard said gang members need to be dealt with as examples to send a message that gang activity won’t be tolerated.

“There’s an awful lot of violence associated with street gangs,” Ballard said, adding that he didn’t want gangs “to take a foothold here.”

One citizen decried the fact that all seven youths arrested for engaging in gang activity in a recent fight at Fayette County High School were black. The remark set off some catcalls in the crowd.

“I can’t afford to let Fayette County develop a gang problem,” Ballard said. “I’m only one part of the solution. By the time it gets to me, all the other efforts have failed.”

A teenage girl asked Ballard if throwing someone in jail is the best thing for that individual.

Ballard replied that he has to worry about the safety of the community as a whole and not just the outcome for any one person.

“My responsibility is to enforce the laws to keep people safe,” Ballard said.

Ballard said his office will prosecute adult gang members with felony charges that carry as much as 15 years in jail for adults and between one and five years in detention for juvenile offenders. The goal, he said, is to send a message that gang activity is unacceptable in Fayette County.

Ballard said the public needs to be aware of the consequences of gang activity.

“Once the crime has been committed, and it’s gang activity, it’s too late,” Ballard said, adding that he would not “hold back” on prosecuting gang members for criminal activity.

As to gang-related incidents in schools, School Superintendent John DeCotis said that the numbers have increased from 14 all of last year to 15 so far this year. He added that the incident has cut across ethnic backgrounds.

“It hasn’t been just one group of students,” DeCotis said.

Some of the incidents involved gang-related dress or the writing of gang-related symbols on notebooks and textbooks, Decotis said. In some cases the students are immediately suspended and the parents are contacted.

Most parents contacted in those scenarios are supportive, DeCotis said.

“Unfortunately not all of them are, and some of them give us a hard time,” the superintendent said.

The Rev. William Brown, who works with gang members through his ministry in DeKalb County, noted that one of the main problems is that many gang members come from single-parent homes, raised by their mothers but lacking discipline and love due to the absence of their fathers.

“Fathers, that’s the missing element here,” Brown said, noting that youths from such homes are often mad at police officers because “they’re father-angry kids.”

“Most of them are just love-starved kids,” Brown said.

He also said that law enforcement can’t handle gang problems on their own and parents should also play a key role in preventing gang activity.

“Mothers, you don’t need a search warrant to look in your child’s belongings,” Brown said, drawing applause from the crowd. “... Men, your presence will make a difference.”

Brown said single parents in particular shouldn’t feel isolated but it would help for parenting skills classes to be offered. Today’s kids, he noted, will play their parents against their teachers, he added, so it’s incumbent upon teachers to make sure that parents feel welcome at school.

Parents, Brown said, “should look at their homework even if you don’t understand it. You need to show the interest. That’s the whole point.”

“I don’t think you have a hardcore gang problem like in DeKalb County,” Brown said, adding that prison time may be part of the problem as “the criminal gangs come out of the prison system.”

“We can’t lock up every kid who shows a tendency towards gang activity,” Brown said, adding that he once was “a gang banger” and was fortunate enough to change his lifestyle.

Fayette County resident Dave Simmons, who is running for sheriff, agreed that parents are key to the solution of gang activity.

“Many times we as parents have been too lenient,” Simmons said. “It’s very important that mom and dad be more concerned with being a parent than a friend to their children.

Simmons, who worked gang detail with the Detroit police department for a number of years and is now retired from law enforcement, said some of the worst gang activity in the area came from some of the most affluent suburbs of Detroit.

Simmons commended Fayette’s law enforcement personnel for being on top of the issue and working “to bring the peaceful, tranquil life back to Fayette County.”

Alice Jones, who volunteers her time with at-risk youth, said it’s incumbent upon parents who divorce “to band together to nurture your children and to give them love.”

Jones said churches must also be a part of the solution to the gang problem, arranging counseling sessions and providing positive outlets for children.

“We’ve got to work effectively together to educate our children,” Jones said.

Jones said there are a number of positive outlets for youth offered in the community, including the NAACP Youth Council, the Association of Village Pride and the Jack and Jill group.

Assistant Superintendent of Operations Sam Sweat said the school system needs more parental involvement at the middle and high school levels when students begin to address issues of sex, alcohol and drugs. He added that the school system offers a mix of extracurricular activities for students to participate in.

Lt. Jennifer Michel of the Peachtree City Police Department agreed, adding that Peachtree City also has a number of sports and recreation activities for youth.

Peachtree City schools also benefit from the DARE (Drug Abuse Resistance and Education) program for fifth-graders operated by the police department, Michel added.

“At the middle school and high school age they’re trying to figure out who they are,” Michel said. “We’re such a big impact on who they’ll be later on in life.”

Simmons said that today’s youth need adults to get involved with them and “give them something to look forward to.”

Simmons said that one of the ways Detroit responded to the issue of gangs was to create sports leagues to give kids something to do when they weren’t in school.

Brown agreed that part of the way to address the problem is by “nurturing” the youth.

Sweat said that one middle school principal who has contacted parents about gang activity with their children said “a lot of parents are in denial and give the principal a hard time, saying my that’s not my son or daughter doing that.”

DeCotis said the school system is planning to have meetings at each high school for parents of middle and high school students to teach them the warning signs of what to look out for in possible gang activity.

Fayetteville Police Chief Steve Heaton said he agrees with the aggressive approach to prosecuting gang members for participating in gang activity.

“It lets gangs know that you’re not going to tolerate that behavior,” Heaton said.

Lt. Michel also noted that she is available to counsel with children at parents’ request, even if they don’t want their child charged with a crime. She also noted that Fayetteville police offer the same service to parents.

Heaton and Michel agreed that having school resource officers in local schools is a big help towards combating gangs.

Officials were also questioned about how individuals stepping forward with information on gangs would be protected. Ballard said that with no witness protection system offered by the state, the best that can be done is to make sure the gang members are put in jail by prosecuting them to the fullest extent in court.

Michel added that in some cases the information can be used anonymously by police to build a criminal case without the person even testifying. She also noted there are several ways to anonymously provide information to police, including a crime tip phone line.

At the same time, both Michel and Ballard said that combatting gang crime may involve people stepping up to testify in court if there is no other way to get the necessary evidence.

“We can’t do it without the help of the community,” Michel said.

Heaton said gangs often thrive on intimidation tactics.

“If we allow them to thrive and be coercive by intimidating the public, we’d better get set for having more serious gang problems than we have now,” Heaton said.

If witnesses report the intimidation and coercion, those charges can be added to a gang member’s criminal case, Heaton added.

“It takes the community as a whole to stand up and say we won’t tolerate their presence here ... and we’ll put them in jail,” Heaton said.

DeCotis said that administrators do not divulge the name of any student who provides information about gang activity. The administrator must follow up on the situation using that information, he added.

Simmons said he has a video he used to show gang members up in Detroit that features several gang members who were paralyzed after they were shot in gang-related incidents. He offered to come show the video to any group in the community.

“Young people don’t understand what it’s like to be shot,” Simmons said.

Rep. Virgil Fludd, R-Tyrone, said he wants to see the county commission spend more to support activities in parks and recreation.

Fludd also was critical because he didn’t hear how officials would address “a wannabe gang member ... or a could be (gang member).” His remarks drew some applause from the audience.

Ballard replied directly to Fludd, saying his intention was “to take a harsh stance on any gang activity whatsoever and not make a distinguishment.”

“My intention is to make an example of anybody who gets involved in gang activity,” Ballard said.

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Submitted by superque on Mon, 02/25/2008 - 1:46pm.

I know one of the kids involved and you folks are just shooting in the dark here based on your subsconcious or maybe overt racism, fear, anger and issues with your own life. This is enonomical and political. Mr. Ballard wants your vote, enough said...You will see a lot of support for him and for these ridiculous sentences and you will see all these good Christian white "folk" hide behind their PCs and shot non-sense on blogs saying these kids got what they deserved and the parent(s) are awful, etc... as if all aspects of life are scripted from textbook psychology...."He must be poor with bad parents, on drugs, etc." This kid played AAU basketball everyday of the summer the last 3 years and was a B student with NO priors! How many gang members 16 and 17 years old have NO priors...How many gangbangers are honor students and cry at their sentencing....How many gangbangers have no marks...How many gangmembers play all over the country in basketball leagues...(Yes the kid has issues because I know him, but he is harmless and he didn't even participate in this fight - The gang material was some crap he downloaded from the internet - again gang culture influence - Like some of you folks use to listen to devil-worshipping rock music as teens) His mother served in Iraq recently for 6 months and when she was away he started to hang out with some bad kids, but they committed no crimes. A blood and crip that is laughable... These kids were influenced by gang "culture" and make a silly mistake, but 2 and 4 years is an outrage. I got in fights in HS, hell I beat the hell out of a racist cop when I was 22 years old for calling me the "N" word in AL. I did a lot of "dumb" stuff, but I changed and I never was sentenced to "years" in prison. I went on to obtain 3 degrees and prob. make more money then most of the folks in the whole county of Fayette. Heck, I even got in a few fights in College and Graduate School...No weapons, no marks, no tags, no priors, no drugs....a fight and some downloaded gang material from the internet results in 4 years, you folks are crazy black or white. Get ready for Al Sharpton, Oprah, the BPP, etc. to descend on your "country" county....Get ready. These kids should have gotten 5 years probation and community service OR asked to leave the county. What is sitting in jail for 4 and 5 years going to accomplish? Teach a lessson or ruin a life....All you people talking about getting what they deserve and their parents are this and that...You are being influenced by the same blind sterotyping that got these kids in this in the first place...All YOU have "great" parents, never got in trouble or a fight... and now you can wear a halo..please! What if this was your kid? Your whole outlook would change. If there were weapons, drugs or if these guys "really" had ties to a "real" gang....I would be okay with this... You fight and go and eat lunch together afterwards...???? I am sacred of this gang...The biggest mistake was this kid moving there in the first place. They wanted him for the BB team. The race card please, you don't have to "play" the race card..This would be dumb even if the kids were white, asian or hispanic. 4 years for fight when no one was injured and they were friends afterwards....This needs to be made into a movie.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Mon, 02/25/2008 - 2:12pm.

Please contact Al Sharpton and in your own words, as you explained in your post, write to Mr. Sharpton describing what you know about the situation. There is a 'Contact' tab on the website and it will instruct you on how to send in a letter to his group.

NATIONAL ACTION NETWORK - AL SHARPTON


Submitted by whiteboy on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 11:13am.

I know one of the kids involved and he is no gang member. These are 15, 16 year old kids. Dumb, immature, goofy, lacking in judgement, yes; all that. But what is a gang? Stop and ask that first. Are the Boy Scouts a gang? they got special symbols, they got initiation rights? Sometimes like kids do, they even have fights. What is the difference between pretending to be a gang member and a real gang?
Talk to Rev. Brown, I did. Real gang members don't tattle on each other. They would really get hurt if they did. The fight in the bathroom was more like a scuffle. No one got hurt. A gang iniation and no one gets hurt?
Real gang initiations involve beating someone half to death, did you read about the girl who got stabbed 14 times, that's a gang, armed robbery, that's a gang. Gang members don't get created in school. they don't get recruited in school. They get recruited or created in jails. They see the injustice of an overzealous DA, they see life is unfair, and then they need protection. Once you are in jail, it's join a gang or die. That's what this silly kids are looking at.
Getting gang raped in jail beacuse of a get tough DA over a problem that doesn't exist.
Did you read the description above by Simmons, gangs involve weapons, shootings, killings.
Wonder why this DA is making such a big deal of being tough. Oh is he looking for re-election? Is that what you want in a DA, someone who will throw not-completely innocent (there was a fight, they did pretend to be gang members), but surely no gang members either, kids who if confronted by a real Crips or Blood would pee in their pants - throw their life away for his political gain???
I am telling you there is some funny business here and in the end Fayette county could end up looking - stupid and racist.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 3:21pm.

Bomb threats usually don't originate from a bomber. Call one in and your young little butt is going to be toast.

Let me give you a piece of advice. Never, ever, ever, ever, point a weapon at anyone pretending that your going to use it. Someone may take you seriously and the consequences might be harsh.

Same with gangs. You silly kids need to learn that you don't call in bomb threats, you don't point weapons at anyone in jest, and you don't pretend to be gang members without someone taking you serious.

Does the word DUH mean anything to you? Puzzled

Now... go git edumacated.

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In regards to Democrats, Republicans, gangs, and other scads of coterie Kool-Aide drinkers; Remember this..... Eagles Don't Flock


Submitted by whiteboy on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 4:01pm.

You certainly make interesting assumptions. Guess am not as well read, where were the bomb threats? What weapons did I mention were being pointed at who?

A lot of people did silly stupid things when they were kids, you probably did to. These seven kids that are so-called gang members had a scuffle in a bathroom, posted it on myspace. Do they deserved to be punished yea, but 3-5 years in jail?

And by the way I am not a little white boy. Are you always such an asshole? Are you so intellectually deficient that you can't make intelligent comments so you are only left with making stupid comments about people you don't know.

These are all just kids and they do have moms and dads.

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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 5:01pm.

Since you're not very bright and have been "undereducated", as you will, I shall be gentle with you. Smiling

Guess am not as well read

Guess not.

where were the bomb threats? What weapons did I mention were being pointed at who?

Did I say that you said anything about bomb threats or weapons being pointed at anyone? I apologize that I assumed you were capable of surmising beyond a third grade level. I also apologize for the fact that I did not understand that you were incompetent in the ability to comprehend a simple homology which would aid you in 'gitting it'. Eye-wink I admit my error.

A lot of people did silly stupid things when they were kids, you probably did to.

Whether I did or didn't doesn't excuse anyone from the consequences of doing "silly stupid things".

These seven kids that are so-called gang members had a scuffle in a bathroom, posted it on myspace. Do they deserved to be punished yea, but 3-5 years in jail?

Let that be a lesson to you. I'm hoping that you aren't one of these gang wannabe idiots and that perhaps, rather than trying to emulate harmful and evil behaviors you might focus your energies on something that matters rather than glorifying something that destroys.

And by the way I am not a little white boy.

Then I suppose that by reading your moniker, I can ascertain that instead of being a white boy, you are a lying little black boy.

Are you always such an @$$hole?

Now that's the second time in less than 24 hours that I've been called such a malodorous name. I'm still licking my wounds because Main Extreme called me a form of excrement earlier. Be careful black boy. Language like that is a bannable infraction on this wonderful media.

Are you so intellectually deficient that you can't make intelligent comments so you are only left with making stupid comments about people you don't know.

No

These are all just kids and they do have moms and dads.

Uhhhh? What's your point? Puzzled And how many of these "moms and dads" are actually on the scene and involved with their precious little chilrens?

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 02/03/2008 - 4:39pm.

The man was giving you examples, here's another one, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck. I don't have to know these kids to know I don't want them around my kid at this school. Do you have a child at this school? It's too late after someone gets knifed or shot or seriously hurt. Do they deserve 3-5 years,I don't know, but I do know they have forfeited their chance to stay at this school. As long as we're talking about intellectually deficient I notice you were the one who had to resort to cursing, maybe you really "am not" as well read as you say.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by tiberiu on Thu, 08/28/2008 - 10:50am.

We just need a mobile drug rehab center that will take action there where problems exist and need to be dealt with. Just waiting for the police to do something is not enough.

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Submitted by Richard Hobbs on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 9:48am.

This is not about race, its about culture

This blog has often danced around many hot button issues, racial being one of the main ones.

With anonymity, many disparaging comments are flung back and forth over the tension between these separate communities.

I however, see it dramatically different. For me, its not the pigmentation of ones skin that makes a difference in these debates, its about the underlying culture that either directly or indirectly accepts the conditions which helps to create these potential problems.

The biggest reason we have gangs, is often directly related to parental involvement in these children's lives. Gangs are fostered in the cultures of predominantly single parent families, often headed by the woman with little contribution from the biological father. Its not a race issue, its a cultural issue in which single parent families are the norm.

The other night, on American Idol, they were interviewing a potential singer in the lobby as he interacted with several other contestants. One local Philadelphia contestant, asked this one fellow if he had any children, and he quickly replied, "no, no, no, I'm not even married!". To this, the young black female said to him, "married?, I didn't ask you if you were married. What does that have to do with you having children?" This just floored me. Being married and having children were seen as two different issues altogether. What kind of culture would encourage such stupid "mores"?

Fundamental in every culture that has survived these last 100k years, is the absolute necessity for a strong nuclear family. Children need strong and caring parents to help raise their children through the struggles of living. Whether its learning to avoid a "saber toothed tiger" attack, or developing educational skills that will help a child's adult career choices, it is absolutely essential that for a culture to survive, it must develop a strong and central foundation from which its future generations are raised.

Having come from a broken family, I know its not easy at all for unsupervised teens. Finding trouble becomes a natural pastime. How I managed to make it through my years without getting into too much trouble is beyond me. But merely because I managed, is no reason at all for me to encourage single parent families. I therefore, am a huge advocate for strong families, including two parents who believe in their crucial role individually and collectively in raising the next generation of humanity. Do all good kids come from two parent families and all bad kids come from single parent families, obviously not, but there is a trend. A trend which is absolutely real and absolutely identifiable. And this trend is absolutely growing across all American cultures at an alarming rate. Unfortunately, its presence is most prominent in single parent families in which gang membership is considered their adoptive families.

This is sad, but its true, and those that want to pontificate and bluster about racial issues without honestly identifying and then doing something directly about this issue, are in my mind, causing much more harm than good. When we are harangued over and over again, about these racial accusations as being a prime culprit in a certain culture's plight, while their children are having their own children, out of wed lock and with multiple partners, then sadly, I believe that we may have reached a point of no real return. It may be too late, when the race baiters are more interested in marching and preaching about prejudice and racism, rather than in admonishing their own culture to adopt and then uplift two parent families as the ideal means by which a culture or a people can fully grow with pride.

Yes, I'm a old white man. I don't think of myself as white nor as old, but that's what I am. I truly believe that if we redirected our energies away from these racial issues, and instead, directly confronted this cultural defect head on, then we might have a chance. But political correctness, especially from my friends from the democratic side of the aisle, refuse to object to these conditions. They call me intolerant for being so dogmatic about the need for two parent families. They want me to even re-define what a marriage is. I guess I'll just remain intolerant, and pray for the day that when I see a two young boys playing in the park, I can ask their mother where their father is, knowing that dad is at work or at home, rather than to hear, "my first baby's daddy is in jail, and I don't know where my other baby's daddy is.

And the sad thing is, everyone already knows this to be true, but out of fear of being called racist, or intolerant, or bigoted, we publically shy away from making these factual observations. Shame on us, and shame on the leaders of any culture that accepts single parent families as not only acceptable, but as the norm.


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Submitted by shadowalker on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 1:26pm.

Im trying to say this with (hard to come up with the correct wording)
i no everyone wants to stay away from race as the problem, i know that gangs go after any child that needs to have someone care for them
they know that if they show they care they will gain another member
but i also know it is an issue to race. and that in it self needs to be looked at ive heard it called the great white flight, i hear people at work that think michale vic got screwed because he is black
and a white man would not have seen jail time that he is being messed with cause hes a brotha, im sorry but it is a race thing and when
a population changes as fast as the northern part of this county has
its going to be a race thing no matter how much what im saying makes you mad, im not intending it to, but the facts are right there
gangs in this area are mainly black and they do not care about life
of there victims white or black
fact.

shadowalker


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 7:53am.

It is nice to see solutions proferred as opposed to pure venom from others on both sides, however, I don't understand this:

"But political correctness, especially from my friends from the democratic side of the aisle, refuse to object to these conditions."

Richard, divorce is as much a GOP phenomenon as it is a democratic one. I am not sure how political correctness plays a part as a function of one's political party. When a woman is left to raise a family on her own, I don't think she takes into account the political inclinations of the dead beat.

It does not always have to come back to partisan politics does it?

Thanks, Richard. Enjoy the weekend, and

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 10:25am.

After rereading Richards blog I see only one place where he even slightly alluded to divorce and he attributed that to his own family not a political party. There are many ways to have a one parent family and unfortunately never being married in the first place is gaining way too much popularity in our society. Maybe I'm just old fashioned, but I believe you should be married when you bring a kid into this world and if the pregnancy happens before the nuptials then the nuptials should happen before the birth. Notice I point this at no particular race as my nephew went this route and I fear that a niece is well on the way to the same thing.
You enjoy the weekend also, I hope to hit the course Sunday weather permitting.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by TruthSleuth1958 on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 4:12pm.

After reading most of the current blogs I think I have to agree with your assessment. I did not see where Richard politicized the argument.

I like your avatar.

Have a great weekend.


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Submitted by borntorun on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 12:07pm.

Good points, Richard....I think you are dead on about how gangs often substitute for a strong family environment especially with the challenges a single parent faces and/or the lack of a strong father figure.

However, if that hypothesis is true and if the rate of single African American parent births is more than double that of caucasion births (as most statistical studies show), it's easy to see how race gets brought into this discussion.

Now most certainly the vast majority of minority kids are law abiding kids and do not join gangs but I wonder if the statistics would show the majority of kids joining gangs are of a minority persuasion.

Regardless, gang activity affects the entire community and we all need to do what we can to stop it. I had the unfortunate opportunity to live in Gwinnett County for about four years and saw first hand what happened when the local authorities refused to tackle the problem head on.


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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 1:35pm.

It would be great to see some hardcore solutions to preempting gang involvement, come out of all the blogging and letters to the editor and the recent ‘community’ meetings have been a wake-up call for everyone.

Defining the root problem of gang involvement is just the first step. Now it’s time to provide solutions that emphasize prevention and intervention and not just suppression and enforcement – we need to be proactive, not reactive.

Several years ago, I read in the Citizen about a resident who was trying to create a ‘Teen Center’ and I was wondering why this idea never came to fruition? In theory, it sounded like a great idea and one that should possibly be reconsidered.

Being proactive with ‘at-risk’ youth at the elementary and middle-school level is critical. Some ideas come to mind for middle-schoolers that could include enacting mentoring programs for ‘at-risk’ kids and also after school programs that provide tutoring and interesting activities (computer, music, art, athletics). I still believe that 12-14 yr. olds need to be supervised, and not left ‘home alone’ and if working parents had options for their middle-schoolers, it might help deter gang involvement.

Do a Google search using the words ‘gang solutions’ and you’ll see how other communities have been proactive, not just reactive. Maybe we can all band together and do something positive… It really does take a village.


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Submitted by Enigma on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 6:09pm.

The wonderful 'Teen Center" was shut down for illicit activity.

Primarily lewd and lascivious acts and a plethora of drugs.

It was 'raided' several times and then finally closed.

It is now a Muslim center. It was once a Meat Market - a REAL one...and yes, they sold PORK.
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It doesn't take a village to raise a child. It takes a set of Parents who will actually 'parent' and not attempt to be a 'friend' to their children.

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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:15pm.

Would you give the 12 and 13 year olds the kool-aid you have posted in your avatar?

I understand you now.

Still want to have coffee with myself and Denise?

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"Hope Changes Everything"


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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:41pm.

it's my Appletini a la Mason Jar I'm sharing with git real.

mmmmmmm.... tasty!


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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:49pm.

I told you that explains it all.

Don't you get it or you been having kool aid with your little 12 and 13 year olds. Please - write something like that, your true colors shows bright and then say what you did? Any brain? I know God gave them- did you fry yours?

What is it with you- it's me and Denise being a Christian.
That's fine with me.

You need coffee after that? Denise would be glad to meet you, oh and I would also for coffee.

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"Hope Changes Everything"


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:29pm.

I'm available if you and Denise want to get coffee with me.

We could call it "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly"! Smiling

Hey, you never told us about your trip go see Huckabee?

Did you happen to smell a faint trace of sulphur and brimstone when he spoke? Just curious. Also, is it true he was asking his supporters to donate $666?


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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:40pm.

I will check with Denise, you will have to decide which Sniffles you want to be for that day.

No, you got it wrong, both Denise and myself we are beautiful. Don't say we are not, you haven't seen us.

Fine with me, Hutch met you, Hutch is a gentleman so okay.

Are you all talk, or what- braver on the internet?

Huckabee was the greatest- lots of folks there- lots of support.

I can't wait until Feb.5th.

Pssst- who you voting for Hillary or Obama- that's if your not ashamed.

I'm for Romney if Huckabee don't get it, you know me and those cute guys, got the cutest one of them all my husband.Smiling Really, only one on Republican I don't want and he does not stand a chance, it is so funny.

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"Hope Changes Everything"


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:46pm.

Silly goose, you know who I am voting for. I'm voting for Barack Obama. I wish John Edwards had made a stronger showing, but I'm happy with Obama. A real leader not a cheerleader.

I will admit I am somewhat surprised to hear that you might support Romney. I figured you would only support a Christian candidate. You surprised me.


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Submitted by TruthSleuth1958 on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 4:17pm.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has always accepted Jesus of Nazareth as testified of in the Bible: the divine Redeemer and Son of God who atoned for the sins of all mankind and ensured our universal resurrection. The church has never ceased to affirm that there is no other name given whereby man can be saved (see Acts 4:12). Another book that the church reveres as scripture, the Book of Mormon, declares on its title page that it was written "to the convincing of the Jew and Gentile that Jesus is the Christ, the Eternal God, manifesting himself unto all nations."


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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:51pm.

Still meeting us for coffee?

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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:50pm.

How do you know Romeny is not a Christian?

He's cute though.

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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:28pm.

are you flippin' for real??? My garsh woman were you dropped on your head as a child?

"once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right"
"listen to the thunder shouting, "I AM, I AM, I AM"

;>} Have a grateful day ;>}


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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:38pm.

good to see you back... did you get your login fixed?


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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:53pm.

It's fixed, but not entirely

"once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right"
"listen to the thunder shouting, "I AM, I AM, I AM"

;>} Have a grateful day ;>}


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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:32pm.

Are you main stream, you answered for her?

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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:51pm.

just gotta step in for the sane ones when the "fahr en bramstone" crowd starts in. Carry on beep....that's all you do anyway

"once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right"
"listen to the thunder shouting, "I AM, I AM, I AM"

;>} Have a grateful day ;>}


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:38pm.

BPR, if you were indeed a lady, you would know that it is considered the height of rudeness to answer a question with a question. GratefulDoc simply asked if you were for real. A simple yes or no would have sufficed.

He is also concerned about your health and well-being, hence the question about you being dropped on your head. I mean, he's a medical professional! If you are uncomfortable answering such personal questions, you should have said so and I'm sure GratefulDoc, as a gentleman, would have not persued this line of inquiry.


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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 5:09pm.

Just to say I am a lady- ask your friend Hutch. My husband is a gentleman also- I heard your a gentleman also- good to know there are some.

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Submitted by BPR on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:42pm.

I will even let you touch my arm, remember the last one I went to they said I was real and a lady- thanks guys. I am real.

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Submitted by thebeaver on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 3:21pm.

You are correct, we should be proactive. I just proactively loaded my gun in preparation for my reaction when some thug punk gang bangers come a knockin'.

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Submitted by blazing2006 on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 10:25am.

Great post Richard. You hit the nail on the head.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 10:00am.

You're going to get it from them now. Eye-wink

Well done on your post. It is indeed about culture.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 9:55am.

You are dead on the mark.
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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 12:25am.

By definition, a “drug dealer” and/or “gang member” is an unreasonable and unacceptable risk to society.

There are laws that specifically address persons that sell illegal drugs and the harm to society that they cause. The U.S. Govt. had declared a “”WAR on Drugs”. When in a war, enemy combatants are legal targets.

Additionally, there are laws that specifically address the harm to a community that a “gang” or “gang member” can cause.

Hallsworth and Young (2005) describe an organized gang as a group of individuals for whom involvement in crime is for personal gain (mostly financial, though could be otherwise, sexual gratification as with child pedophile rings). For most, crime is their ‘occupation’. These groups operate almost exclusively in the grey and illegal marketplace where market transactions are unregulated by the law.

If I’m reading the law correctly, can’t we just shoot them and be done with it? See Senate Bill 396


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 1:40am.

"The U.S. Govt. had declared a “”WAR on Drugs”. When in a war, enemy combatants are legal targets."

Gee, Bad_ptc, since Bush declared war on illiteracy ,does this mean I can shoot anyone who can't read?

And how bout the "war on poverty"? Does that make poor folks fair game?


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Submitted by TruthSleuth1958 on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 4:15pm.

a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance, as in:

“A mighty fortress is our God.”

Or

"We are declaring 'war' on poverty."

Please tell me you are either not sincere in your failure to understand the nuances of these other bloggers or just love a good argument.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 2:27am.

have at it.

I wont loose any sleep after shooting a gang banger or drug dealer.

Would you?


Submitted by skyspy on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 8:18am.

The only thing that deters crime are strong sentences.
Fayette County needs to consider and ordinance like the one in Kennesaw. Each home needs one gun for self defense.

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Submitted by sniffles5 on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 4:33pm.

Yup, strong sentences deter crime. That's how we won the War on Drugs.
Ayup.


Submitted by sageadvice on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 5:20pm.

Yup, yer keerect!
If everbody had a gun and just shot up everbody they wanted to shoot up it would solve not only the drugs but the population problem!

I don't know where we wold built all of the jails needed to lock em up but we couild go the Nazi route, I guess.

No, no, never try to correct the causes---just shoot em!

Submitted by thebeaver on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:29pm.

“Resident Alice Jones, a panel member representing the NAACP, lamented that college students are having to leave school and come back to Fayette County for trials, adding that she wants to see alternatives to jail.”
It's idiotic, ridiculous statements like this one by Alice Jones that reinforce how completely out of touch the NAACP in Fayette is. The goal here is to keep the criminals off of the street, Alice - Not placate a bunch of thugs that prey on the innocent.

“When police are seen as a threat ... that’s a problem,” Brown said. Brown operates a ministry to gang members in DeKalb.”
It's not a problem if the gangs and thugs see the police as a threat, Reverend. It's exactly what we want. We want these punks to know that they will be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
Peace through Strength - that's how Ronnie beat the Russians.

"A teenage girl asked Ballard if throwing someone in jail is the best thing for that individual."
If that individual happens to be a no good thug punk that commits crimes and preys on the weak and innocent, then the answer is yes.

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Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:40pm.

What do they both have in common??? They are both RACIST!!

If they wanted to talk about solutions why did they bring people from communities that are failures?? If the level of crime in dekalb, clayton and detroit are what success looks like, .....I would hate to see what a complete failure looks like to these so called experts.

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:31pm.

Did you get an invite?
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Submitted by oldbeachbear on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 9:13pm.

I think the only way to control gangs is make the drug laws harder. Most of the drugs that are sold are just like killing someone, except you kill everyone around them as well. It would be kinder just to shoot them.

I think if we have the DEATH PENALTIY FOR DEALING DRUGS...it would stop...after all..they are selling DEATH.. aren't they? Drugs and thugs go together.

One thing I will say for the middle east countries...they have no drugs...why? The penality is death...and I think that is most appropiate...

Any drug dealers/ gang members reading this? F....You... I hope we get rid of you one way or the other!

Submitted by tikigod on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 11:58pm.

last time i checked, the middle eastern countries were one of the biggest suppliers of poppy seed used to make opium/heroin.

BTW, drugs have existed LONG before any gangs have in Fayette. Harsher drug laws back in the day, 10-15 years ago, would have landed a whole lot of good people I know in jail. People that are successful, some you probably interact with quite frequently, some even in FayCo law enforcement. Those same people would likely be worthless (or dead) if we followed your advice.

Dealing death?! You really do fall for the lies the DARE program teaches. I bet you think reefer madness is a documentary.

Bring on the "get back to your pipe, hippie" comments. It won't make your above comments any less ignorant.

No mercy on gang members. Don't take advice from FAILED counties.

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Submitted by Enigma on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 6:27pm.

It may be the last time they ever get to hear anything other than a gunshot.

Perhaps some of the self-appointed 'community' leaders can write a brief on how to apologize to a police officer rather than how police officers should apologize to teenagers.

Now that would be a twist wouldn't it?

What happens when kids are not taught to respect the police


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 7:11pm.

I just can't get those officers and their families out of my mind. What a thankless job. Gunned down for no other reason than doing their jobs. On duty or side jobs these guys put it on the line for us. May God bless those tormented and grieving families.

Since everything else is about race, then I wonder why these two fallen officers were gunned down by their own color. Could it be that evil is color blind? Or was this a case of mistaken color?

Stupid questions? It seems they're right in line with the stupid questions those racist idiots were axing at that NAACP meeting.

I agree with Enigma. Thank them much and thank them often. This isn't about color..... it's about combating evil.

I say waterboard those urban terrorists. Smiling

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Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:42pm.

Do you know if the County or the cities provide some cheap term life insurance on officers?
We talk all the time about "supporting them" but do we do that for their families?
I know that some departments provide some input for insurance, but most cops don't want to pay what the boss asks them to pay. Say they can't afford it!
Words are good, but actions really show how we feel!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 7:17pm.

were working their second job. These men were trying to help their families and were gunned down. This is so sad. Find the scum that did this.
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Submitted by Enigma on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 7:45pm.

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Submitted by Enigma on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 7:38pm.

Each man a hard working married man paying his way in this world. Each was a husband and father to four young children. Each man was wearing his colors - the uniform of a DeKalb County Police Officer.

And Oparah wants an apology for them being cautious? This is what happens the first time they aren't cautious enough Ms. Oparah. This is the chance they take - every day - many times a day.

Of course, there are always those who take them off the street long enough to show idiots that call them racists what the "...decibel meter looks like..." in court in hopes of defending themselves against slanderous charges made in public by the very people (who have never done anything for anyone) they protect everyday.

I really want to know from those who bashed the officers in the "Community Meeting of the NAACP": How can you even face these men in the same community where you live off of your tax-payer provided 'government' check as a city employee after making such baseless charges?

Yes, indeed people, we have been privy these last few days as to how a pathetic drain on our society (and the mother of the incubus we despise) thinks, feels, and disseminates divisiveness in hopes of furthering her own personal agenda.


Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 7:22pm.

It was black on black crime.

They were working a second job to provide for their families. That is what is so sad. Obviously the guy from DeKalb county hasn't been to successful, for that matter look at Detroit........if that is successful I would hate to see what complete failure looks like!! Sheesh...!!!!

How is your son doing?? Don't rush into surgery. Get a second opinion, and ask about the discs below the one being operated on...ask about the chances for recovery....

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:52pm.

Thanks for your inquiry!!!! This is the fourth doctor. The one before this said that he'll just have to learn to live with it. Well, he is now laying in the sun room in pain. Man that hurts as a parent. The new doctor wanted to do the CAT scan which is the last diagnostic test available. While we don't want surgery it might be necessary from a quality of life perspective.
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Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 6:37pm.

That no one wants. You are right enigma, we need to thank them.

Our current officers both sheriff's dept, and city cops have done a great job of keeping us safe. They deserve more than false cries and whining about racism.

If we allow gangs and crime to move here our homes and property won't be worth the paper the deeds and titles are printed on.

Make sure we all get out and vote next July. Do you want to vote for someone who will continue to be tough on crime, or do you want to vote for someone who will allow gangs and crime?? What do you want?? Do you want to be the next clayton-crime-county??

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Submitted by Violetsunshine on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:03am.

for addressing this issue with a straightforth statement on gang activity in the Fayette community. If Fayette teens join gangs know what is in store for you and yours and don't say you weren't warned. I support D.A. Ballard's stance 100%!


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Submitted by Club Z In Home ... on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:58am.

and were disappointed. While I'm sure those who stood up during the question and answer period felt better for getting their message out, and while I'm sure that further discussion of racial issues, driving while black, etc, is needed in Fayette County, (as evidenced by this forum!), my husband and I attended the meeting to find out more about GANGS. I wish the moderator had been better able to bring the questions back to gang issues, not racial ones.

Many/most? of the questions people wrote on cards and sent in to be answered by the panel were skipped. The NAACP promised to post the questions and answers on their website, and I hope they'll include responses from Rev. Brown, who seemed to have a much better view of the whole situation.

While we obviously have racial tension here in Fayette County, I'd like to get back to the issue about how to stop gangs from getting a foothold here.


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Submitted by sam0917 on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:45am.

These comments about this story are really scaring me. The gang issue in Fayette County has nothing to do with what race, sex, class or political party you represent. It has everything to do with our kids not knowing that there are other choices. For whatever reason, the kids that choose to gang bang are picking that up because it fills some void they have within themselves from whatever has happened or not happened in their lives. And, since most parents of these gang bangers won't stand up to it or maybe they're too afraid to or maybe they just hope if they ignore it it'll go away, then we as a community have to unite instead of bashing each other like we're doing right here!!!

In order to keep it from taking over in this county we have to be behind law enforcement, prosecutor's and school officials when they do what needs to be done to stop this...............and I do mean all of us, including myself if I were to get that phone call about one of my children. I know my husband and I are doing everything we can to teach them about these issues and show them the correct path to take in life but that doesn't mean they will. So, since I know they're not perfect, if I do get that phone call I will be one of the ones standing behind the officials listed above to do what needs to be done to stop it in my childs life. And, if that means jail time then so be it because if it's gotten to that point then it's too late for anything else I could try to do.

But, to head it off at the pass, we could try harder to make our marriages work, keep our family units together and not use divorce as some easy way out. We could get back to putting GOD in the center of our families and try to go to church more and teach our kids the meaning of that and what it all stands for no matter what religion you choose............it's still the basic fact that we have to show them love and teach them love and the value of choosing to be the better kind of person.

And, the last thing I want to say is this. I am sometimes so ashamed to be a white person in this country. I'm married to a black man but I've always been ashamed to be white sometimes when I see on the tv the history shows that tell of our history of the things we did to human beings just because their skin was black. It shames me to know that anyone in my past and in my ancestry (sp)had anything to do with. Not because I married a black man but because they're people too!!!! They're nothing less than white people just because they were born somewhere else and have darker skin and different features. This is the stupidest way of thinking I've ever had to try to understand and I'll never understand it towards any race. So, stop bashing each other here with your political and racist comments and stick to the issue at hand because my gosh, if our kids hear and see this kind of stuff happening here than there's no hope left for them to choose anything correctly.

God bless us all and show us how to keep our community and most of all our kids safe!!!


Submitted by topsecret on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:37am.

In response to the Call to Action Community Meeting held at the LaFayette Center Monday night, I was surprised at the low response from the community. Ten years ago, when gangs started showing up in the metro atlanta area, and yes that includes Fayette County, the politicians wanted to stick their heads in the sand. Now it appears that the people of the community are doing that. Gangs are here whether you want to admit that or not. Last week a person commented about the police being proactive in response to the gang problem. Police are not proactive positions. They can only react to situations that arise. Wake UP Fayette County! If you want to keep Gang activity and all crimes associated with it at bay it will take everyone from the community to be involved. That auditorium should have been overflowing with clergy, business leaders, parents, teachers, etc. of all color.

Submitted by loanarranger707 on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:46am.

Gangs are loose associations of young people who are searching for meaning in their lives and finding it by bonding with other youths so they do “things” together. Because youths are naturally thrill-seeking, some of the things they’ll do as a gang may end up being illegal.

Think of the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts as gangs with a proper direction and healthy focus. Unfortunately, when adults fail to offer proper activities and supervision, which often happens with poor kids in weak one-parent families, the vacuum can be filled with the formation of a gang. Instead of earning merit badges for worthwhile endeavors, gang members may develop skills and take pride in activities like shoplifting, joy riding, purse snatching, and these activities may escalate into worse incidents.

That is why the adult community must meet its responsibility by offering teenage kids the opportunity to engage in wholesome activities beyond going to school. Our schools do that, to a degree, by offering after-school programs, and many of our churches do it too, to a degree. Local governments must be sensitive to the need to help prevent gang formation by providing recreation facilities with organized programs. When the “gang” plays sports, then it’s a team, not a gang.

Gang prevention requires a positive attitude, a willingness to help, and obviously a certain expenditure of funds for recreation facilities and equipment, and also personnel.

The negative side includes the willingness to prosecute and ruin the lives of those who join gangs that engage in illegal activities. Too many of our prosecutors (and judges) are simple-minded souls whose solution for everything is to throw people in jail. That’s all they know how to do, so that’s what they do.

I realize our District Attorney is running for re-election this year, and that he has been challenged by some of our less enlightened citizens to act tough. There’s a time and place to act tough. But there’s a smart way to deal with the potential for gangs, and that includes understanding our young people and their need for meaning in their lives.

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Submitted by zoes on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 12:48pm.

The only solution that you mentioned that historically works to keep children occupied and learning are the Boy and Girl Scouts. This works because it requires PARENT involvment and has nothing to do with government or 'community'. Keep thinking in that direction.


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Submitted by Mike King on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 11:08am.

is the first thing that comes to mind. Creating more programs that are to be billed to me as a taxpayer is not the answer.
It is not the responsibility of "government" to guide the young of our nation, rather that responsibility rests with those of us who have been blessed with children. Schools, civic organizations, charities, and volunteers are indeed a substantial asset like you say, but the ultimate resposibility rests with those with whom these kids reside.


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:54am.

Was this an NAACP sponsored event?

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 10:08am.

If it was a "community meeting" the community would have been there. Perhaps that community doesn't want the other community to attend.
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Submitted by sniffles5 on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:02pm.

It was an NAACP event and the public was invited. John Thompson tacked this on to a story he wrote last week. The NAACP could have done a better job advertising it...plus 6 days notice is a bit slim.

LINK (scroll to very bottom)


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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 11:17pm.

Sorry, I just seen your post. Thank you!!! Does this mean we are on speaking terms now?
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Submitted by Cyclist on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:23pm.

have injected our view's at some of the comments from this meeting I will have to say that some of the root causes mention such as the breakdown of the family unit are dead on. Now, how does one go about making the family unit whole again?
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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:19pm.

I've noticed a lot of folks talking about "gang related incidents". Can someone explain to me what they are? Spraypainting stuff? Wearing a bandanna? Fighting?


Submitted by smoothassilk on Thu, 01/24/2008 - 12:00am.

The Citizen has an article dated January 3, 2008 with what has happened recently with finding the "gang bible" at the Fayette County High School. They arrested a student who apparently spilled his guts out about all this. There were 3 bibles confiscated, maybe you can research as I cannot locate that article. Anyway, gang type activities are building and recruiting into these gangs have started. I have talked with parents who have children in these schools and they have noticed a big change in kids attending these schools and it is becoming very apparent that "something" is going on. There has been fighting, symbols appearing on kids notebooks, and much more. The school board has met for the past 2 years discussing this issue. Local businesses are being robbed in early morning, one being a place where guns have been stolen and still not retrieved. That's scary. Woman's wallets are being stolen in broad day light at our local grocery stores. That's not necessarily gang related but it is crime coming into us from Atlanta. I hope this helps.

Submitted by skyspy on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 8:16am.

They showed a you-tube video on the news last week. Some of the kids had broken into a cops home took a bunch of guns, made a video of it, and posted it online. That is how they caught some of them, because they were bragging about it. Some were younger than 18.

Selling drugs, fighting, and commiting crimes with weapons I think is gang activity. One of our on-line cops will have to explain it for us.

Submitted by sageadvice on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 6:46am.

anything where the cops didn't didn't catch anyone. Or, someone said they were black, and more than one!
Gangs don't form where parenting is better!

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Submitted by Cyclist on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 7:02am.

Gangs don't form where parenting is better!

This is an important element. Now, how can this be corrected? Puzzled

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Submitted by tollbooth1 on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 10:16pm.

Great job Fayette county DA and Local Law Enforcement! Lets send a Message to these Cowards that Gangs and Violence will not be Tolerated in Fayette County! If you Need an extra Member for the Jury on any of these PUNKS! let me know. I would love to take a day off of my JOB to help out!
Keep up the Great Work!!!

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Submitted by Enigma on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 9:50pm.

I heard they served coffee for DeKalb's Rev. Brown, Alice Jones, mainextreme and basmati afterward since not everyone can afford Starbuck's coffee and it is owned by whites.

So, do you think these brilliant social activists support Hussein Obama or Hillary Rodham?

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 7:57am.

" not everyone can afford Starbuck's coffee and it is owned by whites. "

No, Mr. Money bags. Absolutely nothing at allll racially provacative about this post. No sirrreeee. Not one iota. Sad

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by trentrivers on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 8:07am.

it seem you think your only openiun matters. not so. i see you too like to make race comment out of contex. are all blacks in fayettevile and clayton so angry and hater full? maybe you can say why.

Trent


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sat, 01/26/2008 - 10:16am.

You did not notice that I quoted your buddy Enigma's race-baiting words, and called me angry and "hater full." Please come back and answer the question I've posed below. I want to know how your mind works.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 8:55am.

AIR FORCE term of the day: Mad dog:

missile fired with no guidance thus rendering its trajectory unpredictable. You, sir, have fired what will be considered, even by nit standards, the mad dog of the day.

As soon as I figure out what in the world you are trying to say, I'll respond. Translation, there may never be a response to this one.

Cheers, and good luck with that,

Kevin "Hack" King


Submitted by sageadvice on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 9:18am.

Now wait a minut pls!
Treent is mi frend und you ned not say we fire blind misles!
ah dont now whut week-end warior mean! we warior all thu tim in mah trib!
Also in trents trib!
misles farred agrein al time has no meanin. call a spad a spad, pls.
beatin round the mulbery brush is fer politic peple.

i saw whar lockhed making 6 more jets fer Paks. wil you delivr them?

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Submitted by trentrivers on Fri, 01/25/2008 - 9:00am.

since he is why i am in atlanta he is my family friend. he also comes to see me when his is here and he is good to all. a man who strikes a friend is a enemy. i have no enemy and want none.

Trent


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Submitted by sniffles5 on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 10:27pm.

You heard wrong, Enigma. I wasn't there. Nice try.

And yes, I support Barack Obama.

Who do you support?


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Submitted by Enigma on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 10:29pm.

You outed yourself. I support Mitt - thanks for asking.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 10:04pm.

Enigma, you need to change your avatar and display the confederate flag instead... not quite sure what that avatar is that you currently have anyway.

Holy crap, Enigma, put that Bubba beer down, ol' man, and snap out of it! By the way you're talking, I'd bet a dollar-to-a-donut, that you're a card carryin' member of the Klan. Did y'all have a good meetin' tonight in yer hoods, over at Billy-bobs? Did that get y'all fired up?


Submitted by wildcat on Tue, 01/22/2008 - 10:34pm.

It seems as though every time an issue, such as gangs, failure rates in school, etc., is addressed there's always some "feel good" advocate in the mix that wants to blame society. It's not society's fault. It IS the parent's fault (unless the child has an unmedicated chemical imbalance or is a socio-path).

Certain groups (insert group of choice) will continue to make excuses for certain other groups (insert group of choice) and we will continue to lower our standards. That is what is really pathetic, that we continue to make excuses and lower our standards. How long are we going to continue in this manner? It has to stop somewhere. To semi-quote one of my friends, "Society only cares about their rights and seems to have forgotten about their responsibilities."

Does that make me a Klan member as well? ha ha!!

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 12:41am.

Enigma: "I heard they served coffee for DeKalb's Rev. Brown, Alice Jones, mainextreme and basmati afterward since not everyone can afford Starbuck's coffee and it is owned by whites."

Wildcat, I was addressing Enigma’s racial comment, when I responded with my ‘tongue-in-cheek’ Klan post. Please don’t tell me that you find his remarks acceptable.

Does that make me a Klan member as well? ha ha!!

You know, to be quite honest with you I don’t know where anyone stands anymore. You may very well be a member for all I know – Like skyspy mentioned in a previous post "there is a stink in here" and it's getting very racist.

I am very new to the south and my spouse warned me about moving here a few years ago. He was born and raised in East Point and experienced the white-flight, Klan marches and segregation that was prevalent here in the 1950’s and 60’s and he did not want to return to the south, EVER, but here we are, sad to say. I’ve heard the stories about racial hatred and never believed it until recently, after spending way too much time reading the Citizen online, and I really question whether this is the environment we want to raise our kids in anymore, honestly, it just sickens me.

What worries and scares me just as much as gang violence and crime of ANY kind, or color, is the racial hatred and bigotry that seems to be so prevalent in so many communities in the south, like Fayette County. My husband has started reading many of the letters and posts recently and he has said that he is hearing the same kind of language, voices of fear and retaliation, that he heard back in the 60’s, and it sounds just like ‘white’flight’ all over again, this time in Fayette instead of East Point. And people like Enigma offer no solution by stirring the pot of racial hatred.

This seems to be your war, not mine. I’m not a southerner and right now, I don’t ever want that name attached to me.


Submitted by wildcat on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 4:43pm.

It’s not a racial war, but it is a war. A war against the loss of family values and personal integrity and it IS your war (despite what you may believe). It may not have affected you yet, but it will. Give it time and you will see a decline in the caliber of school students, college students and eventually the work force. I happen to work in the the school system so (much like the police), I experience this decline more than the average person. Like a rotten tooth, it will spread its decay and ruin everything. Something has to be done and the feel good tactics aren’t working. Shouldn’t we try something different?

By the way, I grew up in NJ, so I'm technically not a southerner either and I certainly am not "stirring the pot of racial hatred" or condoning it. You met my daughter and granddaughter last weekend; judge me based on their behavior.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Wed, 01/23/2008 - 4:55pm.

My argument was never with you. I was disgusted with the nasty racial barbs Enigma was posting. That is what I meant by "stirring the pot of racial hatred." His/her posts do nothing but fan the flames of an already heated issue and, I believe, from what I am hearing from others, that he/she has a history of fanning the racial flames.


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