Fair Tax seminar in Peachtree City

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Huckabee and The Fair Tax Solution
Fair Tax Workshop for Huckabee Volunteers

We will be providing a Fair Tax training workshop exclusively for the
Georgia Mike Huckabee volunteer/supporter group. This event will be held on
January 5, 2008 in Peachtree City starting at 10:00 a.m. until noon.
Seating is limited to 150 people maximum, so we ask that you RSVP quickly at
the email link below. We will cover basic principles of the bill and
provide the facts on countering the negative and misleading statements that
are being made by the mainstream media and other candidates.

RSVP your attendance by e-mailing Gene and Don at fairtaxdirector@georgiaforhuckabee.com.

Once we receive your RSVP, we will send you the details in a separate email.
Please state your level of knowledge about The Fair Tax as either
Unfamiliar, Somewhat Familiar, Very Familiar, and expert. We wish to ensure
that those who know very little about The Fair Tax get a chance to learn
over those who may know already how to defend and promote it.[Don W] Also, please provide a contact phone# along with the city/county/zip code of your residence.

Gene Key Co-chairman
Don Williamson Co-Chairman
Fair Tax Coalition Leadership
Georgia For Huckabee

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Submitted by JeffC on Thu, 01/03/2008 - 7:53pm.

As a Democrat, I like the FairTax. More specifically, I like the Republicans liking the FairTax. I am not going to be at the FairTax rally where Gene and Don are going to counter the negative statements being made about the FairTax, so if some of you do go please ask about a few of these items that the Democrats are going to use to slaughter any Republican candidate who supports it.

First off, the FairTax is going to impose a 23% tax on the interest you pay over the prime rate on mortgages and on your credit card debt. Look up HR 25, Section 802 (a)(3)(B)(ii)(I) .. where it says the tax will apply to: “the excess (if any) of the rate paid on such debt over the basic interest rate (as defined in section 805)”

Any interest incurred on car loans, mortgages, credit cards, student loans, etc over the monthly Fed rate is considered taxable as “financial intermediation services.”

Ouch! There is a real vote getter.

Next, in no particular order, let’s hypothesize that you were in an automobile accident or your house burned down or you had a medical problem which costs you quite a bit of money, which these things tend to do. Keep track of how much insurance you paid because anything that the insurance company pays you over and above the cost of your premium is taxable at the FairTax rate of 23%. This includes, according to HR 25, `SEC. 206`(e) Insurance Contract- For purposes of subsection (a), the term insurance contract' shall include a life insurance contract, a health insurance contract, a property and casualty loss insurance contract, a general liability insurance contract, a marine insurance contract, a fire insurance contract, an accident insurance contract, a disability insurance contract, a long-term care insurance contract, and an insurance contract that provides a combination of these types of insurance.

Speaking of medical costs, those are taxable too under the FairTax, but since nobody is really concerned with medical expenses in the United States; the Democrats probably will not be able to wring any votes out of Republican FairTaxers increasing them 23% in one fell swoop.

Also taxed are new homes, food and as it says in Section 2 (a) (14) (A) (1): rents. Specifically, any property (including leaseholds of any term or rents with respect to such property). Taxing rents may provide a couple of Democratic votes here and there.

But, you’re going to get 100% of your paycheck! Go to the FairTax sites and they will tell you so. Check out this site:

Paychecks

Read The Book!

Alas.

This is what we Democrats are going to be calling in polite terms “a bald-face lie”. Wish it were so but it ain’t. After the book came out and after it went into several editions, somehow this was never clarified enough so that people don’t keep telling me to “READ THE BOOK”. Well, It’s Not In The Book! This is from Neal’s website here:

THE FAIRTAX --- STRAIGHTENING OUT SOME CONFUSION

Quoting from Neal now, pay close attention to what he’s trying not to say:

“When the FairTax is implemented, and when business and personal income and payroll taxes disappear, your employer is going to have to make a decision. He will either take some or the entire amount he had been withholding for federal income and payroll taxes and add it to your weekly check, or he will readjust your pay figures so that your entire paycheck will be equal to what you used to call "take home pay" before the FairTax.

Now, let's elaborate on the "keep 100% of your paycheck" line that appears in The FairTax Book. It is certainly true that after the FairTax becomes law there will be no more withholding from your paycheck for any federal taxes. What you earn is what you get. This is not to say that your gross pay will equal what it was before the FairTax.

The "keep 100% of your paycheck" concept can more easily be applied to those who either change jobs or come into the labor force after the implementation of the FairTax. A new worker will negotiate a wage with an employer knowing that the amount negotiated will be the amount that worker receives every two weeks ... no deductions. Likewise, when you change employers you, too, will negotiate a wage that will not be subject to withholding, and you will get 100% of your wages in each paycheck.”

Got it? Your paycheck is going to be reduced to your “take home pay” and you are then going to have to pay the FairTax.

Finally (for now), all that money that you have saved? Equity in your house, stocks, bonds, cash in the bank. All of the assets you now own outright and have paid for with money you earned before the FairTax and have already paid income tax on? All will be subject to the 23% FairTax when you spend it.

The downside to this gift to the Democrats is that Mitt is going to be bringing all this up now that Huckabee is beating him and Huckabee will soon be dropping his support for the FairTax like a hot potato.

So please go to the seminar and talk to Gene and Don. Please blog back because I am really interested in what they will have to say.

But for now, I’m off to watch the Iowa caucus results. I’m anticipating that Huckabee is going to smash Mitt and that Hillary is not going to meet expectations against Edwards (who has lived there since the last election) and Obama (who is relying on the notoriously unreliable college and youth voters).

It’s finally getting interesting!

And the FairTax was fun while it lasted.


Submitted by bowser on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 11:59am.

Jeff C, thanks for taking that bite out of the big chunk of baloney that is the Fair Tax.

There’s much more of course. For instance, under this plan most American households would become dependent on a federal check arriving every month. That would be the “prebate,” a payout based on family size. Why is there a prebate? Because it is the only way the Fair Tax con men could come up with to negate the hideously regressive nature of an across-the-board national sales tax. You get this check at the start of the month, to offset the huge sales tax you’re about to pay on necessities. If it sounds screwy, welcome to la-la land. And this is the brilliant plan to get the government out of our lives?!? No thanks.

Two big ironies here: the mostly conservative fair tax crowd actually advocating a plan that requires monthly government payouts to every American household; and the same crowd, which usually says the government is incapable of any competent function save invading foreign countries, thinking it will administer and enforce this goofy “prebate” program with swiss-watch precision.

By the way, I watched Rev. Huckster on cspan last night and he mentioned redoing the tax code and a “consumption tax” as an alternative, but never said the words Fair Tax while I was tuned in. I doubt you’ll hear that phrase pass his lips very much from here on out, because if it does he’ll start getting questions on the details and even he’s not dumb enough to lash himself to the Fair Tax mast.

Submitted by new2ptc on Fri, 01/04/2008 - 3:39pm.

One thing you did not consider is that Huckelby is pandering to the far right religious sect and as we learned with “W” the group is not concerned with facts. The far right chooses their man based on the belief that as a Christian Republican of a similar faith he can do no wrong so there is no need to concern yourself with facts. And this is what the purveyors of the Consumption Tax is relying on.

Given that when you look deeper into the tax it looks like something predicted in Revelations, but the pushers of the tax are relying on gathering supporters who do not concern themselves with facts but only require the talking points to support their candidate and to bring out more supporters.

My concern is if we do nothing and only provide clear and factual information the tax pushers will win in the kangaroo court of public opinion.

Be scared. Be really scared.

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Submitted by JeffC on Fri, 01/04/2008 - 7:52pm.

I’m certainly not advising or wishing that anybody vote against Huckabee; far from it considering the alternatives of Giuliani or (shudder) Romney. Giuliani is a one trick pony following a fatally flawed strategy of waiting, waiting, waiting until Florida where, in the face of huge momentum and money gained by the other Republicans who are actually contesting the election, if he does not win convincingly he is out of the race. I think it’s already over for him before he even contests a state. Dumb strategy. Romney however is Bush on steroids; calling for the doubling of Guantanamo and war with Iran. I’m counting on Huckabee to save the country from the possibility of Romney winning. Georgia is a lock for Huckabee so go for it! I’m pulling for Huckabee to finish second in New Hampshire which will be tough for him to do but it would take the glow off of a Romney win. All the press would be about Huckabee’s exceeding expectations. Then Huckabee will surely win South Carolina setting up a decisive contest in Florida where the hapless Giuliani campaign will end. If all of this happens, the rest of the Republicans will try to rally around anybody-but-Huckabee and it comes down to McCain and Romney fighting to rescue the corporate money Republicans against Huckabee. Huckabee needs some better issue people (not knowing about the NIE and saying Pakistanis were the most illegal immigrants after Mexicans was embarrassing and a staffing issue) but he’s learning fast. Vote for Huckabee! The worst that will come from it is that Huckabee wins and the FOX news/hannity/ingram/limbaugh/beck/savage wing of the party loses (and Rush can keep making a quarter million a week being the voice of the average guy). I like it!

By the way… told ya Clinton was not going to win Iowa! A loss in New Hampshire and she can’t win the nomination. A close first in NH and she is seriously damaged (no... I mean her campaign). She’s going to be in real trouble going into South Carolina one way or the other barring a knock-out in New Hampshire which decidedly does not look likely to me.

Much to the universal dismay of the Republicans, Hillary is not going to be the nominee. Disappointing, I know, but there it is.

By the way (again), did you see how Rupert Murdoch told Roger Ailes not to allow Ron Paul on the Republican debate on FOX before the New Hampshire primary even though he’s raised more money than any other Republican and he’s polling higher than Thompson who they are allowing on the debate? I guess Paul is more of a threat to Murdock/FOX’s candidate (Giuliani) than I thought. I don’t watch FOX anyway, I watch Olberman, but don’t you FOX watchers feel a little ashamed about how you are being manipulated so easily by relying on that propaganda network?

On to New Hampshire!

Live Free or Die!


Submitted by new2ptc on Wed, 01/02/2008 - 5:35pm.

I have several real problems with this new tax system but whenever I ask a question on the issue the only response I get is “read the book.” I have read the book and the House Bill and that is why I have questions. I seriously doubt there would be anyone there who would step out of line and answer a real question on the core issues of the tax.

It sounds like a gloss job on the tax and hurray for Huckleberry.

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Submitted by Shelby Barker on Thu, 01/03/2008 - 12:37am.

We will have two of the state coordinators for the Fair Tax present; I promise you there will be great representatives there to answer any of your questions.

Huckabee 08'


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Submitted by Shelby Barker on Wed, 01/02/2008 - 3:07pm.

It is at the Gathering Place!!

Huckabee 08'


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