House candidates face off at forum

Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:49pm
By: John Munford

Candidates face off at forum

All four candidates for the Georgia House 72nd district seat were probed and evaluated by a crowd of about 100 people at Peachtree City City Hall Wednesday night.

Questions came directly from the crowd, who bothered to come out on a Wednesday night ostensibly to pick the candidate they want to support.

Voters will choose between former Peachtree City Mayor Steve Brown, publicist Heidi Becker, and attorney Matt Ramsey, all Republicans along with Democrat Kevin Madden, who works in the air freight industry.

The district includes almost all of Peachtree City and a swath of land stretching on the south side of Ga. Highway 54 through some of downtown Fayetteville. The vacancy was created by the unexpected death last month of Rep. Dan Lakly, and the winner of the election will fill out the remaining one year on Lakly’s term.

Among the highlights included candidates’ responses to the current drought and what should be done:

• Brown said he supports spending $30 million for the state’s Environmental Protection Division to do a study on the state’s current water production capacity; he also said the state legislature failed years back when it diverted money aimed at more reservoirs in north Georgia for other projects;

• Madden rapped state officials for not taking action to address a 1988 study on the state’s water supply that urged creation of regional reservoirs and better conservation;

• Ramsey said the water crisis will be the top priority of the state legislature, and he added that more reservoirs are needed along with the ability to make water basin transfers; he also said that the crisis has brought together not just cities and counties but also representatives of the business and environmental community all working together for a solution;

• Becker said she supports putting caps on how much water can be used by residences and making penalties tougher for violators; she also said she wants to speed up the process to provide permits for reservoir construction.

The candidates also weighed in on how they’d address transportation problems in Fayette County:

• Ramsey said he wants to streamline the process by which the state Department of Transportation implements road construction projects “because the DOT is a broken bureaucracy.” He added that such legislation is likely to be considered by the legislature in the coming session;

• Brown said he would like to see the county’s long-term traffic improvement plan changed; for example he said that the west Fayetteville bypass would “dump more traffic” on Ga. Highway 74, which he said needs significant improvements to combat significant commuting-time backups; Brown added that more significant traffic problems can be expected thanks to growth in adjacent Coweta County.

• Becker said one immediate change that could make a difference in traffic would be to synchronize traffic lights, but she also wants to make funding available from the state for local road projects in the form of matching funds and grants;

• Madden said he supports a long-range traffic plan for Fayette County to meet transportation needs; he added that if the TDK extension was somehow restarted, “I’ll be the first one to lay in front of the bulldozer.”

The candidates also had divergent views on changing how Fayette County Commissioners are elected. Currently all voters can vote on all five seats when they are up for election, but under the “district voting” proposal, voters would choose only one of the five seats based on which district they live in.

Madden said he agrees with making the change to district voting, while Brown argued that voters should make the decision on a referendum, the results of which he would respect regardless of whether it’s approved or voted down.

Brown made reference to the current county commission districts being from the “Civil War era.” Brown also argued that the U.S. Department of Justice wants Fayette “to do something.”

Ramsey and Becker said they both oppose district voting in Fayette County.

Lakly fought against a move in the five-member Fayette delegation to make the district voting change last year. He spoke from the Senate floor passionately on the subject, convincing his fellow legislators to defeat the local legislation.

The bill was defeated 71-53, with yet another 47 representatives “walking out,” meaning they did not vote on the measure. Such a defeat is a rarity for local legislation since the House typically rubber stamps such bills approved by a majority of the local legislative delegation.

Becker, asked specifically about how the committee process works in the legislature and what subcommittees she’d like to serve on, said “I really don’t have the best answer to your question,” noting that she is not a full-time politician.

She wasn’t the only candidate to duck certain questions. Brown was asked to pick his best accomplishment while serving as mayor along with his greatest regret. He failed to answer the latter portion of the question in the alloted 60 seconds each candidate got to respond to questions, while listing several accomplishments including construction of the new library expansion.

Ramsey was asked how he proposed to support law enforcement officers in Fayette County and he responded that the legislature and local governments need to be sure to give them “the right tools” to do their jobs, without being more specific.

On the matter of sex education provided by public schools, Brown said it was largely the parents responsibility to address the matter with their children, while Madden agreed, saying that prevention measures should be taught and not just abstinence. Ramsey said he agreed that parents need to take the lead, and while he thinks its OK for schools to supplement parents on the issue, parents should have the ability to opt their children out of the school program if they wish. Becker said she too supported sex education and drug abuse education in Georgia schools.

Ramsey also said a proposal from House Speaker Glenn Richardson to eliminate the property tax levy power from local school boards makes him “nervous” because there’s no guarantee the state will return all of the sales tax money collected in Fayette County.

Although Becker was more than 15 minutes late to the event, she apologized and said she wasn’t feeling well.

There were roughly 100 people in attendance at the candidate forum, which was hosted by the Youth Council of Fayette County.

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Submitted by John M on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 2:12pm.

You know, what little Matt Ramsey said in his letters and mailers, I think he stressed "positive" leadership. Yet his supporters constantly barrage us with negative posts and gutter talk.

Here's a coincidence, Harold Logsdon also stressed positive leadership. I'm not certain we are getting the straight story this time around either and by the looks of some of these posts, I really doubt we are.

Bulldogs91 is, in my mind, not doing Matt Ramsey any favors.

"I'm NOT John Munford"

Submitted by Bulldogs91 on Mon, 12/17/2007 - 2:53pm.

1. He tried to rename the city Christmas Tree the "Holiday Tree."

2. He's not from Fayette County. He moved here to run for office.

3. He made a fool of himself at the forum.

4. He made a fool of himself every day he was mayor.

5. He made a fool out of Peachtree City when he was mayor.

6. The last time he ran, he did not win a SINGLE voting machine.

7. He is despised in his own neighborhood--he may not get a single vote on his own street.

8. He is "occupationally challenged." (That means he is unemployed--just the work ethic we need out of our state representative.)

9. He smears his opponents with outright lies. Whereas the other candidates dicuss the issues, Brown makes up lies and hides behind made up "facts" and figures.

10. Fayette County wants a representative that can play well with others. Steve Brown will only make Fayette County the enemy of the rest of the state. He's just plain mean.

Submitted by tonto707 on Mon, 12/17/2007 - 7:21pm.

you negative bloggers, get ready to serve Rep Matt Ramsey, starting Wednesday morning, bow down and say 'hail to the chief' and then shut up!

Submitted by johenry on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 9:40am.

Yes, another blogger (probably another paid one) has started the next round of negativity (see Git Reale below). This one had been a registered user for a matter of minutes before making the post. There's a definite trend here with "new" bloggers and negative campaign tactics.

The phony attempt to steal Git Real's persona with "Git Reale" to trash Steve Brown won't work.

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Submitted by Christian on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 10:00am.

Unless you want to live in a MAJOR cut through city where tens of thousands of Coweta cars are routed through this town and clog our streets (arterials, collectors - - large and small), then you should vote for Steve Brown. He is his own man, and will defend the home owners.

Steve's opponent talks of expediting DOT projects - - which ones and why?


Submitted by wdd5885 on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 11:30am.

It's already happening, and it will continue to happen. The elephant in the room is we as a county are going to have to build more roads. We can all pine for the good ole' days, but even if not one more person moves to Fayette County, traffic is going to get worse. I'm not a fan of TDK, but the path we as a community have chosen will result in "parking lot" style traffic in a few short years.

Coweta county is the same size (sq. miles) as Gwinett. Their population, along with ours, is set to double in the not so distant future. (~10 to 15 years?) I understand nobody wants more roads, but at some point we will have to address our problem. And maybe if the DOT expedited Coweta's road projects, it would relieve some of Fayette's traffic.

I was at the forum, and NONE of the candidates had a good answer for our traffic situation. They all stumbled a bit because it is such a sensitive issue. Steve's answer is just as vague as the rest. It is a tough subject because nobody wants roads or traffic, but you need one to alleviate the other.

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Submitted by Git Reale on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 10:26am.

Steve Brown – Votes like a Democrat, thumps his chest as the anti-business guy. Not concerned with the business tax base. He does not know that businesses are the top tax payers in the county, and if he drives out new business and existing business, you personally pick up the tab to pay for the county services and your personal taxes go through the roof. Everyone will be commuting out of town, like Steve, for employment. Facts are that years ago, Hancock County (Sparta) got chest-thumping anti-business people in power, and became the poorest county in Georgia, with extremely high taxes and plunging home values.

Brown's ideas could make property values in District 72 plummet!


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Submitted by pentapenguin on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 1:06am.

Hmmm...why was one blogger on here threatened with excommunication for using another blogger's avatar (and I don't think that was right BTW), but this clown uses another blogger's avatar and "borrows" his name and no official warning is issued? :/ {confused look}

We can see right through "Git Reale" and "Git Reel" as easily as we see through $, Bonkers$, Nitpicker$, etc. Eye-wink


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:11pm.

The above poster is as credible as a three year old with a keyboard. They, in trying to hijack the credibility and respect of a long-time blogger, have surrendered any decency that they may otherwise have had. Step out of the shadows, dream up your own image or, gasp, use your name, or you will just waist useable space with collections of letters and words that we intend to ignore. As testament, I encourage my fellow bloggers to put this ill-conceived Git reale on mute. Treat him like Benjamin Davis at West Point.

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:15pm.

There is only one "Git" in this town.

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:17pm.

I bet this couterfit Git can't even type ebonics!

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Cyclist on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:23pm.

Are heading back down to GIG soon?

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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:28pm.

I'll need that time to heal up from my last role on the jiu jitsu mats. It didn't go so well for me. Sad Have a good one. I gotta go finnish my honey do.....

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by CCB on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 1:40pm.

Here we go again. Blogs like the "BROWN WILL CAUSE A TAX INCREASE!" are making people shakey about Matt Ramsey.

I'm a personal supporter of Harold Logsdon. I think a lot of people forget it takes three votes to make things happen. However, to be totally honest, if you want to talk about "votes like a Democrat," Harold pushed the big pay raise, several tax increases and pork projects like that bicycle race. It's the pot calling the kettle black. He was voted in and it was his perogative to push for what he wanted.

Like I said elsewhere, the same supporters that corrupted Harold are firmly in the Ramsey camp. I really think Harold wanted to do the right thing, but he just doesn't have very good leadership skills.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 1:17pm.

I think a gnat is buzzing around my nose.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:02pm.

You don't need Cal's help with this. I know you are a conservative, but there is something you can learn from old school labor union politics. You grab an axe handle and take care of your own problem children. When we are done ripping the flesh off of this 2 cent counterfit gitreale creep, they will, undoubtedly, return to the space under the slimy rock from which they emerged. NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THAT GITREALE HAS TO SAY WILL HAVE ONE OUNCE OF VALUE OR RECEIVE ONE IOTA OF CREDIBILITY OR RESPECT. So, basically, they are waisting their worthless time trying to attack a guy who has friends of all shapes, sizes, races, ethnicities, genders, species.....well, they Git the point. Git, this fool will be gone before the next rainfall. So, Git, sit back, relax, and Let Jimmy Hoffa and company pay gitreale a visit on these here blogs.

Cheers, friend

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:10pm.

You grab an axe handle and take care of your own problem children.

I certainly could take matters into my own hands Hack. But it would be like using vehicular homicide as a tool to deal with the bratty neighbor kid that rides his bike through my flower beds. The right thing for me to do here is to let Cal & Co handle the situation.

After a couple of failed attempt by CalCo, then I take the axe handle after them.

I'm hitting the road out West this week. So Merry Christmas to all my blogger friends.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:14pm.

I'm going out tomorrow morning. It was U gly when I left Friday. Didn't get home 'till Saturday at 5pm. At any rate, just remember to take the plates off of your vehicle before dealing with the garden problem Smiling

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 4:41pm.

It's looking good for us a the moment, other than I'm wondering if I can get to my house down those muddy dirt roads. Shocked

Are you going to be there next week? OKC Friday or Saturday?


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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 11:05am.

If you're going to be scum, at least be imaginative scum. Must be other side trax.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by Main Stream on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 10:44am.

Git Reale, why are you stealing Git Real's name (Git Reale, Get Reel)? Just because you put the word 'Democrat' next to Brown's name, will not scare people into voting for Ramsey. Brown seems to be more for CONTROLLED GROWTH not anti-growth! Look at the most expensive areas to live in Atlanta (Virginia Highland, Ansley Park, Morningside, Inman Park, Lake Claire) and you will not see any big box stores, but you will see small scale shopping areas, similar to The Avenue in PTC. Property values will only go up, if we are smart about our growth, like these areas in ATL have been. Any politician, Repub or Dem, who is for CONTROLLED and smartly managed growth, gets my vote. As far as I'm concerned, Ramsey is in bed with the developers and politicians who practice the type of idiotic growth we see in Riverdale and Union City.


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Submitted by SPQR on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 9:46am.

Where are we going?

Shall we go with the candidate backed by the Logsdon/Westmoreland machine?
The less naïve know where this path leads.

Or shall we go with the candidate having the homeowner friendly rhetoric that does not choose to unequivocally recognize the pitfalls of dividedness that district voting would bring


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Submitted by Git Reale on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 7:59am.

Steve Brown is a Democrat, claims he is for the little guy, anti-business, biggest accomplishment as Mayor was changing the tree name from the Christmas tree to the Holiday tree.

Steve Brown is a Democrat !


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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 1:10pm.

Would you please ban this Matt Ramsey supporter named Other Side Of Trax for imitating me and copying my avatar. Everybody can see through this clown, but the rules do clearly state that this is a no-no.

Hey Side Of Trax.... Bad_PTC is still awaiting an apology for your erroneous accusations. Yet, I doubt we'll see much more of you in the future. What an embarrassment you are to Ramsey. Dude... what exactly are you trying to accomplish here? Puzzled

Merry Christmas Everybody... from the one and only Git. Smiling


Submitted by other side trax on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 11:39am.

Guess you save your lie telling for when you post comments (not on your blog).
Lie #1: OST is a Ramsey supporter. Not.
Lie #2: OST imitated you and copied your avatar. I didn't. Have no idea who co-opted your avatar and name. Not a tactic I would use.

Oh well, looks like we're both "challenged" in the veracity department. But I just apologized to Fran Sheldon and all of the Brownies for my incorrect accusations. Are you willing to admit yours???
Merry Christmas!
From the other side of the tracks

Submitted by other side trax on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 9:55am.

Sorry, but I'm not that clever. It wasn't me. Cal can probably tell you that.

So now, who owes who an apology? Looks like you jumped to conclusions just like I did with Fran Sheldon.

Oh well, Merry Christmas and Happy New Years anyway!

From the other side of the tracks
P.S. And you will be seeing MUCH more from me in the future. Gee, I guess that's another conclusion you jumped to . . .

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Submitted by BPR on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:10pm.

I think this is the same person that did it to Hack, ignore him, it's like a child- he/she is doing it to get under your skin- be stronger- you have that personality-Ha. IGNORE THEM. They will get use to you not paying them attention nor anyone else- Better yet get a new avatar and they may like that one better and copy it- then you can go back to the old one. Ha. Be tough! YOu are on me sometimes, I still like you though. Ha.


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Submitted by Git Real on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 4:43pm.

Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year. Smiling


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 3:16pm.

If I had just scrolled down I would have seen that you already said what I wanted to say and I wouldn't have had to say it. I guess great minds think alike Eye-wink . Have a great week, and enjoy seeing this person blow away like a tumble weed.

Cheers,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by mrs fran sheldon on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 1:30pm.

Mr. Beverly, I would agree that these young men for Mr. Ramsey are not behaving properly. You will see on your website that I have posted for several years now. And yet they have come on line making very nasty, inappropriate comments. Perhaps you could address this.

Fondly,

Mrs. Fran Sheldon

CLICK HERE FOR MORE FUN


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Submitted by pentapenguin on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 1:11am.

Mrs. Sheldon, you got to remember that tempers run wild on here mainly because there's no face to face interaction. (Or is that a good thing? Laughing out loud ) The reason somebody said that is because you apparently came from nowhere to give support to Brown. This unfortunately is a common occurrence -- Ramsey (and some Brown) fanboys and fangirls come from nowhere, leave their comments, and disappear.

Don't be a stranger, okay? Smiling


Submitted by Bonkers on Sun, 12/16/2007 - 9:35am.

Brown may be a democrat, or he may be someone with common sense who won't be for EVERYTHING a party comes up with!

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:00pm.

The Ramsey and Logsdon bases are almost the same. What did those supporters get in terms of bang for their buck with Mayor Logsdon?

Answer: taxpayer bailout of Development Authority corruption, a shot at a big box store on Joel Cowan's (contributor) property, a very good try at getting TDK built (thank you GRTA), westside annexation, southside annexation.

They'll probably get TDK out of Ramsey.

Vote Republican


Submitted by d.smith700 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 6:06am.

Now wait a minute, you mean Mr. Cowan owns the property?
Didn't someone on here say there were no developers or people associated with developers on the "list."
I really never thought someone would be dumb enough to openly donate to one hand-picked candidate for one little house seat, and hope the whole list wouldn't be published!
Did anyone notice that there is at least one "Georgia Democrat" on that list? (GD is same as GR).

Submitted by johenry on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 9:42pm.

Four candidates in a race and only one gets a front page article?

Here's what the Atlanta Journal-Constitution said about Brown:

"Brown, who served as Peachtree City's mayor from 2002-05, appeared the most polished and consistently touted his previous executive experience and accomplishments such as enacting Peachtree City's indoor no-smoking ban."

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Submitted by mudcat on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 6:13am.

The feature stories on Madden and Becker are to be front page next Wednesday Dec. 19. This is perfect timing since all Democrats are encouraged to vote on their special day Thursday December 20.

Good luck to all, but I'm voting for Brown.


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Submitted by Cal Beverly on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 9:14pm.

Git, git off Munford's back. It's me you're after.

Ramsey asked for a sit-down and he got it. Nobody else asked, and thus nobody else got.

I told Munford to sit in on the conversation and take notes for a story. Since I sign his paycheck, he did.

I asked the questions, Munford wrote down the answers.

Then I told him to write the whole thing up.

I made the decision to run the story on the front, I wrote the headline and I laid out the page. When the bill from the printer comes in, I'll pay that too.

Why? Everybody who was likely to vote already knew Steve Brown and his positions. Not many people -- including me -- knew much about Ramsey.

I grilled him, Munford wrote the story and I put it out there to get some reporting on the record on an otherwise unknown electoral newcomer.

Like it, don't like it, conspiracy theories or smiley faces -- there it is.

No excuses, no apologies.

Cal Beverly
publisher and final stop for the buck
The Citizen
Fayetteville, Ga. 30214


Submitted by other side trax on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 11:57am.

Good example of a leader (Cal) providing the necessary top cover for his teammate (Munford).

The fact that so many Brownies attacked the Citizen's coverage is what worries me. Basically, what all the Brownies are saying is:

"Hey Citizen, we expected you to slant everything toward Steve Brown. How come Ramsey got the front page?"

You Brownies need to give it a rest. Not everything is a conspiracy.
(Except this posting, of course . . .) Smiling

From the other side of the tracks

Submitted by Doug on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:37am.

"Why? Everybody who was likely to vote already knew Steve Brown and his positions. Not many people -- including me -- knew much about Ramsey." - Cal Beverly

... that's the reason for Ramsey getting the front page to himself? The candidate has around $20,000 - $30,000 and sends out electronic phone messages, 8 1/2 x 11 mailers, a campaign web site and has written a letter to the editor every week and we are supposed to feel sorry for the guy because he can't (or doesn't want to) get his message out to the public.

Poor Kevin Madden! The poor guy is in the minority party, has minimal funding and few resources and the great wisdom of the Citizen is to highlight the guy with all the special interest money in his pocket who is communicating in four different channels. What a crock!

A new low for the Citizen. Journalistic justice, nah.

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 12:07pm.

And you think they are biased toward Ramsey?

C'mon.

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Submitted by Main Stream on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:56am.

Yes Cal, please contribute the same amount of newspaper space (front page) to the other candidates, my request being two-fold: To show that the Citizen is really impartial and also to educate the voters on each candidate. But I guess the timing is all wrong now, since voting is next week! Great timing Cal!

By the way, has there ever been an attempt to start a new paper down here in "these parts"? A newspaper that really is UNBIASED!


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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 1:04pm.

Historically, The Citizen has done a remarkable job of being investigative and unbiased. John Thompson and Dave Hamrick are good examples of affable reporting without getting too close to the subject.

This episode is one that is worthy of contrition, though.

Since when is a "Newcomer" newsworthy but not if he/she doesn't ask ? If Mrs. Becker had asked would we have seen tandem front pagers? And in July, if you have 10 Newcomers, how will their "Requests" be treated? If Mr. Ramsey was newsworthy as a newcomer wouldn't a journalist seek out the other Newcomer (Mrs. Becker) for her story? It is all too difficult to rationalize.

But....this is still a fine paper with a good record. Penitence is in order Cal. Or perhaps a caning.


Submitted by Bonkers on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:17pm.

Yeah, just admit it wa a crappy article--not even an interview!
Newspapers in republican compounds like this do have a tight rope to walk when the chips are down. They do have to survive!
The Gestapo taught us how to survive!
Also, Lyndon Johnson!

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Submitted by nuk on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 1:47pm.

Cal is very pro-Brown, has always been pro-Brown, prints letters and columns from Brown, endorses Brown, and people complain that Ramsey is on the front page on the newspaper and the interview isn't hard-hitting enough? Sheesh.

The fact that Ramsey is being backed by the most influential and most talked about citizens in the entire county is reason enough to do a story on him, regardless of whether it's "fluff" or whatever. It's news and relevant.

As Cal aptly put it: no apologies and no excuses.


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Submitted by Sniffles on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 9:28am.

Let's just say if the Citizen were a restaurant instead of a newspaper, I'd have sent your "grilling" back to the kitchen for being more than a bit undercooked.

Seriously, Ramsey's convoluted argument against district voting, "the district voting issue would dramatically affect the county’s development over the next 10-20 years and if enacted could open the floodgates for dramatic growth such as has occurred in Clayton and Henry counties." absolutely screams for a simple followup question: "How do you figure that, Mr. Ramsey?"

And I agree with Bad_PTC's analysis regarding Ramsey's carefully couched phrasing "asked for a favor on certain issues". Alarm bells should have gone off all over Peachtree City with that one!

Most disappointingly were the questions not asked: What on Earth possessed the power structure of Fayette county to mass their combined forces behind a wet-behind-the-ears attorney like Ramsey? Did Ramsey approach them or did they approach him?

Sorry, Cal, but the political wet kiss you bestowed upon Ramsey with your front page article was definitely not your finest hour.


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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 12:59pm.

"Not the Citizen's Finest Hour"

What a coincidence, Sniffles, I too had envisioned the Winston Churchill WWII speech before Parliament ("this was their finest hour") to describe this situation.

Not a good performance and one wholly unprecedented.


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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 11:12am.

but the cow is still alive and kicking.

Got to vote with Sniffles on this one and say the paper is giving the appearance of bias.

This is the way to blog!


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 10:45pm.

“he says none of his contributors have approached him and asked for a favor on certain issues.

Why did Mr. Ramsey phrase it that way? Why couldn’t he just say that no one had approached him and asked for a favor on ANY issue? Seems a little odd the way he answered.

As for “grilling” Mr. Ramsey, it’s hard to tell as there were no direct quotes of the questions you asked. I’ll guess I’ll have to take you word for it Cal. Kind-a looks like you and John gave him Mr. Ramsey a “warm” fuzzy at best.

Cal, as a general rule, when I “GRILL” something it comes to the table with sear marks and still bleeding. I didn’t get that impression from your or John’s (pick one) article.

”Those supporters, Ramsey said, simply expect him “to do the right thing and be honest.” That would be a pleasant surprise.

Just how “honest” have his supporters been with us over the years? Were they honest about their TDK motives? Were they honest about the $1.7 million we got saddled with for the tennis center? Were they honest about traffic conditions resulting from the H.D. and Wal Mart? Were they honest about the SPLOST money distribution with Fayette County and PTC?

Cal, you have written several scathing articles about these same issues. Why didn’t you at least attempt to nail Mr. Ramsey down on these issues?

We expected the current PTC city council to do the “right thing” too. It must be a matter of perspective.

All said and done, I’m glad you gave Mr. Ramsey the opportunity to express his thoughts. I’m just curious why he’s waited until now to express himself.

P.S. It's good to be King.


Submitted by d.smith700 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 5:55am.

I read the "interview" of Ramsey. I didn't hear any questions? It was all: Mr. Ramsey said.
Frankly, if it had been me, posing as Mr. Ramsey, at his age and experience, I would have not known enough about any of the local problems to give specifics on them!
I'm sure he has been schooled, at least socially, on all these problems and the answers he should give, but still he doesn't really know!
This whole "pick-out," "set-up" a lawyer thing is somewhat disturbing!
Why do we need Joel Cowan, Lawyer Warner, Hollis Harris, etc., propping up this young fellow?
These men may be interested parties, but THEY should be running! It gives the appearance of "Boss Hogg" otherwise.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 10:10pm.

Fair enough my caliph. I will from this day on credit thee sir.

How did it feel when Lawyer Ramsey's employer / developer lawyer, Doug Warner, came up to you with such a long and loving embrace last night at the forum? That was a really special moment to see Doug profusely thanking you for the "great job" you did on writing Ramsey's fluff piece for them. I agree with you, when you stated that "you did your best".

Less the 'loving embrace' I do stand my ground on the rest of my statement.

Let me just say that I do respect the way you stand by your people. However, I really do miss Dave. He was a good guy and even better reporter.

Respectfully, Git


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 10:18pm.

If only they knew.......
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Submitted by tonto707 on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 9:59pm.

I am surprised you tolerate some of the lies and misinformation Git and others constantly recite in these blogs. Git and others keep alleging Ramsey is funded by developers and last time I checked not a single developer on his contribution list. Chris Parrot is a home builder and has never developed the first acre.

And has a state legislator ever been known to vote on zoning in Fayette or any other county?

But what the hell, only a couple of dozen people read them so prolly will never amount to a hill of beans.

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 10:53pm.

I am surprised you tolerate some of the lies and misinformation Git and others constantly recite in these blogs.

Isn't it amazing that when I did the same research and presented the same qualified postings on Greg Dunn, you were one of my biggest cheer leaders. Now that I'm opposing a candidate of your choosing, you claim I'm a liar because I present well documented news stories and ask the questions that others haven't got the guts or will to ask? Give me a break.

Git and others keep alleging Ramsey is funded by developers and last time I checked not a single developer on his contribution list.

Are you blind or just that freaking dumb? You remind me of Bill Clinton claiming he never had sex with that woman. That accusation is indefensible on your part.

Chris Parrot is a home builder and has never developed the first acre.

Go to his website. He tells a different story.

And has a state legislator ever been known to vote on zoning in Fayette or any other county?

You don't even know what the heck you're thinking about. Think back to Westmoreland in the State House. Are you failing to remember how Lynn sponsored legislation specifically directed at enabling the Tennis Court issues and the amphitheater to exist and operate under the develpment authority? I'd have to work on that one a bit, but there's no doubt I show you where a state legislator interferred in local issues.

You know Tonto... It's become real clear to me. The bad guys you don't like are the ones that are opposite of your views. As for me... I don't care for any of them.

Good day.


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 10:03pm.

Correction, there's 333 guests on-line.
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Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 10:14pm.

The hutchette made 3rd chair in 9th and 10th grade honor band.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by d.smith700 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 6:01am.

You know hutch, even this 3rd chair stuff is beginning to sound good after reading Tonto!!Congratulations to your daughter.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 7:03am.

Thank you d. can I call you d?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 10:17pm.

Outstanding!!!! Give her a hug for me!!!
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Submitted by Cyclist on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 9:36pm.

has spoken with a thunderous voice.
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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:32am.

Dear John,

How did it feel when Lawyer Ramsey's employer / developer lawyer, Doug Warner, came up to you with such a long and loving embrace last night at the forum? That was a really special moment to see Doug profusely thanking you for the "great job" you did on writing Ramsey's fluff piece for them. I agree with you, when you stated that "you did your best". Shocked

Great objective reporting there Mr. Munford. Boy, do I miss Mr. Objective himself; the late, great Dave Hamrick. Sad


Submitted by John Deaux on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 8:11am.

Having actually attended the forum last night, instead of reading excerpts on the internet, it was pretty clear that there were two candidates worthy of consideration. Becker effectively talked her way out of the election and Madden’s Democrat view does not make him a viable candidate for Fayette County.

Now here are my thoughts on Ramsey and Brown:

Ramsey: Did a good job of sharing his political opinion on the issues and how he would work with the legislature to ensure the right choices were made for Fayette County. Ramsey outlined several good points on traffic, water, and the budget process. It is clear that Ramsey has a vision for maintaining the integrity of Fayette County. Yes, Ramsey did show signs that he was a new politician, but is not new to the legislative process and knows how to get things done.

Brown: Also did a good job of sharing his political opinion on the questions that were posed, including water and transportation. What Brown lacked was the ability to come across sincere. Brown made it very apparent that his political career is all about him, not the people of Fayette County. Brown could not collaborate with the city leaders for 4 years and it was obvious last night that he has no plans to work with the legislature. We do not want or need the same political nightmare we had for 4 years making state level decisions.

Within moments of this posting, the Brown supporters that did not attend will characterize this as a negative attack on Brown. If you did not attend and actually hear the voices and see the gestures, then you can not defend the man. Go ahead and do what you do best from your computer and bash Ramsey and all of the community support he has around him.

The right to vote is one we all share.

I VOTE MATT RAMSEY

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 9:13am.

I, too, attended the debate along with Pentapenguin and I agree with his/her assessment. Frankly, they were all good people. Ms. Becker stumbled at one point but recovered with honesty (on the legislative process). Can't say I would have done any better. Mr. Madden showed intelligence and passion.

I agree with the Penguin: Matt Ramsey seems like a genuinely good person but his alignment with substantially all of the established development community greatly concerns me as well. We really need to slow down and think about things. There is nothing wrong with developers. My father,uncle and others in my family made a living out of construction. But just like if a candidate is heavily supported by a union or another special interest group, should we not be concerned? I am very concerned about this.

One huge gaping hole last night in Mr. Ramsey's presentation was his ad hominem attack on DOT. He called them "broken". OK, that's a fair opinion. What projects, though, are they holding up locally? Where do you want roads? Why? For what purpose? If he does not have a specific road project in mind, why care about DOT? If he does have a specific road project in mind, why not name it? All of Mr. Ramsey's materials, mailers and website say nothing about TDK: why not?Frankly, Mr. Ramsey appears to be a Trojan Horse filled with Developers.

Growth, development and traffic are our biggest concerns and Mr. Ramsey offers far too much risk. Steve Brown has my vote.


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Submitted by nuk on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 9:30am.

The DOT is a statewide issue and the DOT Is definitely a broken enormous dinosaur that needs to be overhauled and drug kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Hey, most would probably settle for 20th century at this point. I can't think of too many people that don't think the DOT is a shambles

As far as how the DOT matters locally, exactly how did the question on abortion have to do with anything local at all? Not all the questions picked or the answers given are going to relate solely to immediate Fayette County issues.

NUK


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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 10:13am.

I don't want to get the thread off on a tangent, but to quickly answer your question on the protection of life -here's why it was asked.

At present, almost 50 state legislators have co-sponsored the the Human Life Amendment. A vote will be taken to put it on the ballot in November, 2008. Thus it's a current issue that all the candidates will face and a valid question.

This is the way to blog!


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Submitted by Main Stream on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:07am.

I don't want to deviate from the thread either, however, it has always amazed, and baffled me, that Republicans rant over wanting LESS government in their lives, unless it is regarding the legislation of a woman's womb - the womb being the most personal of places. LESS government in our lives, means just that. Such hypocrisy!


Submitted by Nitpickers on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 3:52pm.

A politician's definition:
Keep the federal government out of it! How about a state law?
Keep the state government out of it! How about County law?
Keep the County out of it! How about City ordinance?
Keep the City government out of it! How about parents?
Keep the parents out of sex for kids old enough to get pregnant!
Then it must be a choice then?
No. We can't have willy-nilly pregnancies! They cost us tax money!
What if the parents pay the bill?
We can't allow that---some have insurance.
I'm agin it and that should be sufficient!!!

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Submitted by McGannahan Skje... on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:00pm.

So...jes' cuz' yer agin' it ah reckin then evr'budies agin' it too. Well, ahm agin' huntin' guess that there should makes it not legal no more. Holy freekin' crow....some folks is jes' unbelievable 'round here these parts.

"everybody's dancin' in a ring around the sun"


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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 2:06pm.

protecting Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?
The first item is life. This phrase is from a founding document of our country.

There is no hypocrisy in protecting human life - it's the first function of government.

Cheers,
PP

This is the way to blog!


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Submitted by McGannahan Skje... on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:51am.

So true..so true! Some in this 'Grand ol' party' sicken me. New slogan...."GOP...it don't stand for Good ol' pigs!"

"everybody's dancin' in a ring around the sun"


Submitted by Bonkers on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:24am.

They do want religion mixed with government, even if they have to use the feds!
As a side query: Does Santa Claus visit Jewish homes?

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Submitted by gratefuldoc on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 11:39am.

He does this one....only 'cause of the wife

"once in a while you can get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right"

"listen to the thunder shouting, "I AM, I AM, I AM"


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Submitted by mrs fran sheldon on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 7:47am.

Steve Brown has done more for Seniors than anyone I can recall in Peachtree City. He has been very helpful to my family and for us Seniors. He always returned calls. That's why I was proud to vote for him yesterday. Good luck, Steve !

Fondly,

Mrs. Fran Sheldon

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Submitted by other side trax on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:01pm.

I just did a White Pages search and People Finder web search for “Fran Sheldon” who supposedly posted above. As far as I can tell, she does not exist. Fran's been registered on this site for exactly ONE DAY. Claims to be a Senior who supports Brown and voted for him. I did find one Frances Sheldon in Columbus, GA. But she is not a senior. There is one Sheldon family in PTC. James & Lisa. But no Fran. Better yet, lets check the voter registation records to see if there is a Fran Sheldon registered in the 72d district. Bet there isn't. I suspect what we have here is Steve Brown, or a Steve Brown supporter, making up a false endorsement. If it is a false endorsement, it makes you wonder how a person can get that desperate. How sad.
Well there it is. I've laid down the gauntlet. Prove me wrong. IF I am, I'll be the first to admit it. But you'll have to PROVE IT. Not with words. Physical evidence. I sincerely doubt that will ever happen.

Prediction: Steve Brown will lose the election by a LARGE margin.
Another prediction: Steve Brown (under several of his many monikers) will attack this posting, and name call, but provide NOTHING of susbstance.
Final prediction: The ficticious Fran Sheldon, if we ever hear from her again, will post one more time and provide contact information or other alleged proof of her existence that will be BOGUS.

I'm not a developer or Ramsey supporter (as Brown and others have previously alleged). Just a resident who has seen enough of Steve Brown to know better. At least Brown has some ardent supporters. All one of them. Himself.

From the other side of the tracks (one moniker is all I need)

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Submitted by mrs fran sheldon on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 6:48pm.

"Other Side Trax", you should be ashamed of yourself. I have participated on this site for a long time. I know that I have never posted anything as hateful as you seem to do. Is your candidate winning that important that you would use these tactics? If you look on the Citizen website you will see that I have in fact posted for several years. Yes, for some reason my earlier Fran Sheldon name was deleted I think because I did not use it for such a long time when I was slow to have someone replace my computer. You will see that I was a frequent poster and even had a Letter to the Editor in support of Mr. Brown. No I am assuredly not Mr. Brown and yes I do have an unlisted phone number.

Fondly,

Mrs. Fran Sheldon

CLICK HERE FOR MORE FUN


Submitted by other side trax on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 9:37am.

I said if I was wrong I’d be the first to admit it. I WAS WRONG. Please acdcept my sincerest apologies. I jumped to conclusions. But you have to admit that a Senior, signed on for one day, with her own avatar and hyperlink looked VERY FISHY. At the risk of insulting Seniors, you also have to admit that many Seniors have not exactly embraced the information age. While a good many Seniors are computer savvy, less would be able to include an avatar AND a hyperlink. HATS OFF to you. Also, I was not able to pull up the hyperlink at first, so it also aroused my suspicion. This morning, I was able to pull up the hyperlink to the Red Hat Society. Looks like you gals are having a lot of fun with your Chapters.
Again, my sincerest apologies for the scurrilous accusations. I will resist the temptation to jump to such conclusions in the future. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
Fondly,
other side trax
P.S. To bad_ptc and all of the Brownies who came to your defense, my apologies too. Originally, I signed on to this because I was interested in the Elementary School Redistricting debate. Thus my screen name (moniker). You can probably guess where I live. Had nothing to do with the upcoming election. But as I read more and more of the unabashed blog support for Steve Brown, I felt compelled to respond. After having seen Steve Brown up close and in action during his tenure as mayor, I still believe he is too polarizing a figure to do us much good in the state house. Steve Brown’s own words are his worst enemy. He needs to learn how to play better with others. (Obviously, not something he’s going to learn from ME! Yes, that’s right, the pot just called the kettle black.) Perhaps in the New Year, I’ll mend my ways. As for the election, I believe it’s a win-win. If Brown wins, he’ll be out of our hair for a while. If Brown loses, maybe he’ll finally take the hint and retire from politics. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!

From the other side of the tracks

Submitted by susieq on Wed, 12/19/2007 - 6:52pm.

You have not insulted seniors, you have shown your own ignorance. We seniors were majoring in computer science before you were born, and we understood using computers before Windows and the mouse came along. Then, when Al Gore invented the internet (LOL), we were the first to have it.

We are mature enough to understand that young people think they know everything as we were young once ourselves, so no apology is needed to the seniors.

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Submitted by mrs fran sheldon on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 1:09pm.

Why I Did Not Vote for Mr. Ramsey
I have found some of these comments here to be less than polite. I don’t believe you can say that I have said anything bad about anyone. I happen to like Mr. Brown and what he has done for Seniors and I voted for him. What is so wrong about that? And yet some of you folks have said some unkind things. One person that Other Trax person said to me that “… you have to admit that a Senior, signed on for one day, with her own avatar and hyperlink looked VERY FISHY. At the risk of insulting Seniors, you also have to admit that many Seniors have not exactly embraced the information age. While a good many Seniors are computer savvy, less would be able to include an avatar AND a hyperlink.” First of all, I have been on here for a long time. When my computer broke and before my grandson replaced it I was not here. That is why he signed me back on. I think it was Mr. Muddle who said a search shows that to be true. As for the computer things, yes, I do not know how to do those things. My grandson helped me. But these are my choices. I do not understand why being so harsh is something that you have to do in politics. You boys need to learn some of the manners that my grandchildren display. And another thing, I told them to stop those phone calls and they don't.

Fondly,

Mrs. Fran Sheldon

CLICK HERE FOR MORE FUN


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 12:06pm.

I will now apologize to you for the name calling. I apologize.

What say you on redistricting?

Fortunately, I don't have a dog in that fight.


Submitted by other side trax on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 12:13pm.

the public forum was a good opportunity for many to express their concerns. Most wanted the School Board to disrupt fewer students. I agree with that. And the recent outcome shows the board did listen to the public comments.

Unfortunately, some students will have to change shools. But kids are very flexible and adaptable. The kids will be fine. It's some of the PARENTS I'm worried about.

From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 9:52am.

I was an open supporter of Harold Logsdon becaused I believed all of the hype the developer crowd was saying. But Brown ended up being right.

Do you or anyone else think Logsdon represents you and your neighbors? At least Brown has the guts to stand up to the guys who want to trash our community.

Logsdon has been an embarrassment. Don't expect Ramsey to be any better.

Vote Republican


Submitted by other side trax on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 10:24am.

Because many of the negative comments about Mayor Logsdon are unmerited:
1) The Tennis Center situation needed to be resolved. Logsdon campaigned on cleaning it up while Brown let it fester. The city has had enough lawsuits and lost too many. Mayor Logsdon and the City Council did the right thing. It was a lawsuit waiting to happen. There was no upside. Period. And the rantings about someone getting over in the process are just rantings.
2) Many of the issues you keep lampooning Logsdon with were inherited issues that festered during the Brown administration.
3) Our three newest big boxes (Best Buy, Walmart & Home Depot) were erected during the Brown administration.
4) Brown fully supported the Wieland Annexation but could not get it passed during his tenure because Brown had a terrible relationship with the other City Council members. Logsdon and the new city council did what had to be done. They approved the annexation because the City's own planning commission proved it was the right thing to do. Net positive income to the city with the addition of a new road, elementary school site and many other positive outcomes for PTC. Annexation remains the best way to CONTROL DEVELOPMENT.
5) The pay raise. Cmon, lets get real. No City Council member is getting rich off of the pittance the city gives them. Believe it would be best to enact a permanent cost of living increase each year (say 3.5%). Then the City council wouldn't have to look like bad guys by doing something that was long overdue.
6) Constant claims that Logsdon and Boone are in the pockets of developers have no merit. Both of these gentlemen are former military Colonels. Most of the former Colonels I have met believe in public service because they've spent their whole lives doing it. They have an innate sense of integrity and ethical bearings way beyond any of the bloggers on this site.

So go ahead and make all of the unfounded accusations you want. But until someone can prove to me that Logsdon and Boone are on the take, which is what most Brownies have insunuated, then I will remain a Logsdon supporter. Developer "conspiracies" are the creation of idle minds. I still believe the City Council is acting in the best interest of PTC. Neither Logsdon or Boone would compromise their values for such small stakes. And any wild accusations that insinuate otherwise are ludicrous.

From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 2:48pm.

Because many of the negative comments about Mayor Logsdon are unmerited:
1) The Tennis Center situation needed to be resolved.

It was going to be resolved, in court where it needed to be. What was done was illegal. Even the GS state legislature said that the tax funding of the DPAC was illegal.

Reference DAPC lawyer: 'It's a mistake'
“State Sen. Mitch Seabaugh worked alongside state Rep. Lynn Westmoreland to craft the amendment to the georgia code of laws that made it legal for development authorities to operate entertainment venues and athletic facilities, a condition that applies exclusively to the Peachtree City authority.”

The accounting practices were illegal as they didn’t conform to industry and/or GA state standards.

Yes, it needed to be resolved but not to the tune of $1.7 mil of our money.

2) Many of the issues you keep lampooning Logsdon with were inherited issues that festered during the Brown administration.

Many of the issues you keep lampooning Brown with were inherited issues that festered during the Lenox administration. (See 3 below)

3) Our three newest big boxes (Best Buy, Walmart & Home Depot) were erected during the Brown administration.

Misleading as usual:

The Wal-Mart and Home Depot were former Mayor Lenox’s children.

Reference The City Council of Peachtree City met in regular session on Thursday, July 5, 2001, at 7'00 p.m. in the City Hall Council Chambers. Mayor Robert L. Lenox Other Council members present were Carol Fritz, Annie McMcnamin, Steve Rapson, and Dan Tennant.

06-01-09

Discuss Status of Home Depot/WalMart Projects

4) Brown fully supported the Wieland Annexation but could not get it passed during his tenure because Brown had a terrible relationship with the other City Council members.

That’s pure speculation on your part and not factual based upon city council meeting minutes.

The issue is really one of how Brown did things, not what he did.

Logsdon and the new city council did what had to be done. They approved the annexation because the City's own planning commission proved it was the right thing to do.

What a great job they did, “Levitt and Sons has abandoned its plans to build a 650-unit senior subdivision on a 403-acre tract that was annexed in May by the Peachtree City Council.”

Now half of the development is trashed because logsdon's council didn't do their homework. Unless a new developer comes along and agrees to the same exact development standards the entire process has to start over again.

5) The pay raise.

The city of Peachtree City is short on the number of Police Officers and Emergency personnel because of budget shortfalls. Doubling salaries while needed city services go unfilled is not very fiscally prudent.

6) Constant claims that Logsdon and Boone are in the pockets of developers have no merit.

Developers, former and current, are the ones that got the $1.7 mil for the tennis center.
Logsdon’s support of the Kohl’s shopping center is another example.
Logsdon’s support of TDK is another example.

How many more do you need?


Submitted by other side trax on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 3:41pm.

1) Logsdon campaigned on cleaning up the PTC Development Authority Tennis Center fiasco and he did. Because we would have ended up paying a lot more than $1.7M in the long run, if he hadn’t. Our city’s track record with lawsuits is less than stellar.
2) Inherited issues: TDK – Brown let it fester. Wieland Annexation –Despite Brown’s best efforts to get it passed, he failed. I was there in the meetings. Weed, Rapson & Rutherford refused to support it because Brown wanted it to happen. All used density as their reason. Weed openly accused Brown of trying to establish a legacy for himself as mayor by getting the annexation passed. Dev Auth/Tennis Ctr fiasco – Brown vehemently refused to take ANY ACTION, which was absolutely the WRONG stance for the leadership of this city to be taking. Meanwhile, the lawyers were licking their lips.
3) I never said Home Depot and Walmart were approved by Brown. I said erected during his tenure. Without opposition from Brown. Best Buy and Target were approved by Brown. So what? You can’t have it both ways. All former mayors are culpable on this topic. I also believe all former mayors believed they were doing the right thing at the time.
4) Passing the Wieland annexation was not bad judgement. Both Brown and Logsdon supported it because annexation remains the best way to CONTROL DEVELOPMENT.
5) While the payraise seems extravagant at first glance, it merely brought the City Council pay rates into the new millennium. The pay rate had not been increased for a DECADE, for crying out loud. The increase brought their salary up to a comparable level with our surrounding communities. There is no crime in being fairly compensated. In this case, the pittance they receive is far less than they deserve based on all the unwarranted abuse you folks heap on them. These selfless servants provide a tremendous public service and should be respected for it. Anyone can be a critic. Few volunteer to serve.
6) What is Logsdon getting out of it? NOTHING, that anyone herein has PROVEN. Herein, everyone assumes guilt by association. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I will not sit idly by while others ascribe motivations to Mayor Logsdon that are beyond the pall. For example, I can think of other reasons why Logsdon might abstain from voting on a pay raise. Entirely honorable reasons. But you decided to jump to other conclusions.

Show me some proof, or give it a rest. Oh, I forgot. NOBODY HAS ANY PROOF. Just scurrilous accusations.

From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 4:21pm.

Why were you afraid to go to court on the Tennis Center bailout? It would have been more money. BS....That's just what the dirty lawyers want you to believe.

Let a jury decide it. If the City owes it pay. Instead, they do a dirty backroom lawyer deal. No investigation, no trial and a big fact bailout. More of the corruption.


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Submitted by CCB on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 5:17pm.

Voice of Fayette,

The better question to ask is why were the bank, Bob Lenox and authority guys afraid to take it to court.

Don't you just love it when Other Side Trax says Brown couldn't get along with his councilmen and Steve Rapson writes him a glowing letter of support?


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Submitted by Git Real on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 3:05pm.

It was going to be resolved, in court where it needed to be. What was done was illegal. Even the GS state legislature said that the tax funding of the DPAC was illegal.

Reference DAPC lawyer: 'It's a mistake'
“State Sen. Mitch Seabaugh worked alongside state Rep. Lynn Westmoreland to craft the amendment to the Georgia code of laws that made it legal for development authorities to operate entertainment venues and athletic facilities, a condition that applies exclusively to the Peachtree City authority.”

The accounting practices were illegal as they didn’t conform to industry and/or GA state standards.

Yes, it needed to be resolved but not to the tune of $1.7 mil of our money.

Wow Bad! I didn't know anyone else knew that. And the Ramsey folks pretend like the State House has NO power or influence on our local issues. Amazing...

You have to ask yourself why approximately $50,000 will be spent on this race in such a desperate attempt to get Lawyer Ramsey into office. Why is it that the same developers and lawyers who have abused their positions and influence in PTC and Fayette County are so desperate to get their sock puppet into position.

Ask yourself why? Why do they want it so much? For God, Country, and good ole apple pie? Nope!

The answer... Look what Wastemoreland and Judas Iscariot Seabaugh delivered, in obedience, to them in the past...... a bailout for their improper and illegal business transactions. And they claim they were vindicated... yeah.. right. (eyes rolling)

I never tell lies about people on my blog.
Especially if I think the truth will do more damage. Cool


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Submitted by Voice of Fayett... on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 4:16pm.

Ramsey in the State House: Getting’ it Done Through Local Legislation

Heck, yeah, a State Rep can have a devastating affect on local politics through what is known as “Local Legislation”. Don’t like a particular council? Go to the General Assembly. If you will look at my blog (click below) with the Timeline and News Accounts, you will see in very clear and ugly terms how a State Legislator CAN interrupt local politics. With Sturbaum and Haddix, the developers fear loss of control with just Loggie and Boone. One senior voter told me “You know, I see all these Ramsey signs all over the place. Somebody really wants him in office bad”. That’s right. When these folks talk about “LOCAL CONTROL” they mean the developers ability to control local politics. There is too huge a crowd in on development in E Coweta to let it die. Look at all the developer lawyers that own property in E Coweta including Ramsey.

Having a State Rep will be like the Tennis Center control all over.

Click here for “HOW A STATE REP CAN CONTROL LOCAL AFFAIRS”


Submitted by Jones on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 6:17pm.

I agree with Voice of Fayette. There are plenty of TDK supporters in the Ramsey camp. The state legislature can bypass the city and built TDK through the state.

But some will say Ramsey doesn't want TDK. Remember when Harold Logsdon promised to cut your taxes? That's all I've got to say.

Submitted by other side trax on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 3:45pm.

and still waiting for you to apologize for telling all those lies about me . . . I had nothing to do with imitating you or stealing your avatar.

From the other side of the tracks

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