House candidates face off at forum

Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:49pm
By: John Munford

Candidates face off at forum

All four candidates for the Georgia House 72nd district seat were probed and evaluated by a crowd of about 100 people at Peachtree City City Hall Wednesday night.

Questions came directly from the crowd, who bothered to come out on a Wednesday night ostensibly to pick the candidate they want to support.

Voters will choose between former Peachtree City Mayor Steve Brown, publicist Heidi Becker, and attorney Matt Ramsey, all Republicans along with Democrat Kevin Madden, who works in the air freight industry.

The district includes almost all of Peachtree City and a swath of land stretching on the south side of Ga. Highway 54 through some of downtown Fayetteville. The vacancy was created by the unexpected death last month of Rep. Dan Lakly, and the winner of the election will fill out the remaining one year on Lakly’s term.

Among the highlights included candidates’ responses to the current drought and what should be done:

• Brown said he supports spending $30 million for the state’s Environmental Protection Division to do a study on the state’s current water production capacity; he also said the state legislature failed years back when it diverted money aimed at more reservoirs in north Georgia for other projects;

• Madden rapped state officials for not taking action to address a 1988 study on the state’s water supply that urged creation of regional reservoirs and better conservation;

• Ramsey said the water crisis will be the top priority of the state legislature, and he added that more reservoirs are needed along with the ability to make water basin transfers; he also said that the crisis has brought together not just cities and counties but also representatives of the business and environmental community all working together for a solution;

• Becker said she supports putting caps on how much water can be used by residences and making penalties tougher for violators; she also said she wants to speed up the process to provide permits for reservoir construction.

The candidates also weighed in on how they’d address transportation problems in Fayette County:

• Ramsey said he wants to streamline the process by which the state Department of Transportation implements road construction projects “because the DOT is a broken bureaucracy.” He added that such legislation is likely to be considered by the legislature in the coming session;

• Brown said he would like to see the county’s long-term traffic improvement plan changed; for example he said that the west Fayetteville bypass would “dump more traffic” on Ga. Highway 74, which he said needs significant improvements to combat significant commuting-time backups; Brown added that more significant traffic problems can be expected thanks to growth in adjacent Coweta County.

• Becker said one immediate change that could make a difference in traffic would be to synchronize traffic lights, but she also wants to make funding available from the state for local road projects in the form of matching funds and grants;

• Madden said he supports a long-range traffic plan for Fayette County to meet transportation needs; he added that if the TDK extension was somehow restarted, “I’ll be the first one to lay in front of the bulldozer.”

The candidates also had divergent views on changing how Fayette County Commissioners are elected. Currently all voters can vote on all five seats when they are up for election, but under the “district voting” proposal, voters would choose only one of the five seats based on which district they live in.

Madden said he agrees with making the change to district voting, while Brown argued that voters should make the decision on a referendum, the results of which he would respect regardless of whether it’s approved or voted down.

Brown made reference to the current county commission districts being from the “Civil War era.” Brown also argued that the U.S. Department of Justice wants Fayette “to do something.”

Ramsey and Becker said they both oppose district voting in Fayette County.

Lakly fought against a move in the five-member Fayette delegation to make the district voting change last year. He spoke from the Senate floor passionately on the subject, convincing his fellow legislators to defeat the local legislation.

The bill was defeated 71-53, with yet another 47 representatives “walking out,” meaning they did not vote on the measure. Such a defeat is a rarity for local legislation since the House typically rubber stamps such bills approved by a majority of the local legislative delegation.

Becker, asked specifically about how the committee process works in the legislature and what subcommittees she’d like to serve on, said “I really don’t have the best answer to your question,” noting that she is not a full-time politician.

She wasn’t the only candidate to duck certain questions. Brown was asked to pick his best accomplishment while serving as mayor along with his greatest regret. He failed to answer the latter portion of the question in the alloted 60 seconds each candidate got to respond to questions, while listing several accomplishments including construction of the new library expansion.

Ramsey was asked how he proposed to support law enforcement officers in Fayette County and he responded that the legislature and local governments need to be sure to give them “the right tools” to do their jobs, without being more specific.

On the matter of sex education provided by public schools, Brown said it was largely the parents responsibility to address the matter with their children, while Madden agreed, saying that prevention measures should be taught and not just abstinence. Ramsey said he agreed that parents need to take the lead, and while he thinks its OK for schools to supplement parents on the issue, parents should have the ability to opt their children out of the school program if they wish. Becker said she too supported sex education and drug abuse education in Georgia schools.

Ramsey also said a proposal from House Speaker Glenn Richardson to eliminate the property tax levy power from local school boards makes him “nervous” because there’s no guarantee the state will return all of the sales tax money collected in Fayette County.

Although Becker was more than 15 minutes late to the event, she apologized and said she wasn’t feeling well.

There were roughly 100 people in attendance at the candidate forum, which was hosted by the Youth Council of Fayette County.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 7:13pm.

I believe I backed all my statements with fact.

If you have any, please share them with us.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 3:02pm.

So you fully admit Target was under Brown's watch...interesting..which big boxes have been approved in the last two years?

Re the Levitt and Sons collapse, I have some VERY good friends in the Real Estate Business on the other side of town, they did LOTS of business with Levitt & Sons. NONE of them saw it coming. I'm not sure how the Council could have predicted it.

Here we go again about "illegal activities"...where are the charges? Where are the indictments? Who is guilty?

Now don't get all fiesty and think that I perceive Logdson as being perfect, he's not. BUT he hasn't voted for a 24 hour drug store, or stated that Fayette shouldn't have At Large Commission voting. As stated above, the current council has yet to approve a "big box.

All this vitriol, and Logdson isn't even running for anything.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 1:37pm.

I openly admit it, I brought the whole deal on Logsdon when he ran. I took him for his word. Now, the truth is the guy lied at every turn.

1) He didn't "clean up" the development authority mess. He threw it on the backs of we the taxpayers. I pay more taxes because Bob Lenox, a Ramsey supporter, and Doug Warner, a Ramsey supporter, couldn't behave like legal grown adults. You can try to justify their bad behavior any way you want, but the bottom line is the innocent local homeowners got stuck with their corruption bill and we don't even play at the tennis palace.

2)Please tell me what the inherited issues are and how they excuse Logsdon's bad behavior in any way. Brown inherited the development authority debacle from Bob Lenox and he made them accountable, is that a problem?

3)Home Depot and Wal-Mart were approved by Bob Lenox. I read the newspaper and attended the meetings. I wore my red sweater and everything. Either you don't really know this or you are trying to lie to cover up for Bob Lenox who is a Ramsey supporter.

4)Wait a minute! If Brown supported the annexation that Logsdon passed, then why didn't he do it? You're blaming someone else for Logsdon's bad judgement again. Harold Logsdon is a big boy and should make his own decisions.

5)I think the payraise was over 100% for crying out loud. The really sad part was Logsdon didn't have the guts to vote for it. He abstained for crying out loud. I was at that meeting and Stuart and Cyndi got really angry at him for giving them the shaft. She said the raise was Logsdon's idea. I'm sure as a Logsdon supporter you must be proud of that display of leadership.

6)All I will say is everyone asks what Logsdon is getting out of doing such things? Everyone is wondering what the answer is.

Vote Republican


Submitted by wdd5885 on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 10:17am.

You continually pound Logsdon for supporting things you don't like. Fair enough. But Logsodn ran on a pro TDK, pro annexation, and pro DAPC settlement. He wasn't shy about it. He stated his positions on those issues repeatedly.

His tax stance is fair game. He stated he wanted to reduce the tax burden, and he's got two years to try. He did stop EMS double taxation, but taxes have gone up. Fire away.

Did you not read his campaign literature? It's fair to criticize Logsdon for his stances on big boxes and commercial growth, but I can't figure out why you voted for him since you disagree with everything he's done, even when he said he was going to do it.

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Submitted by Spear Road Guy on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 1:15pm.

I didn't continually "pound" Logsdon. When he laughed off his promise to reduce taxes I then got angry. It was the straw that broke the voter's backs. He told that lie to a lot of seniors over at Flat Creek and else where and people got excited about it.

As far as TDK, a lot of us didn't (and probably you too) know that a city was going to be built on the other side. Brown was right, thank you Mr. Brown.

I never heard him say or read where he was pro-annexation. That's all I can say on that.

I do know for a fact Harold told many of us he wouldn't pay back those phony loans for those guys with our tax dollars. He specifically said he would use hotel surcharges to do it and, guess what, he didn't.

While we're on the subject, the extravagant payraise after their performance was sickening.

Vote Republican


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 1:46pm.

Both are far from it.

Submitted by John M on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 2:07pm.

McDonoughDawg,

I'm sure you have just as many blemishes and character faults as I do.

"I'm NOT John Munford"

Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 2:43pm.

I guess what confuses me is the continued running down of Logsdon in the blogs supporting Brown. Logsdon isn't running for anything, last time he did, he thrashed Brown.

Submitted by Nitpickers on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 8:02pm.

Although my name is John Dillinger, I have never in my whole life been near a bank, much less rob one!
Those six people who saw me in Kansas were mistaken. They all must have needed glasses!
I have been going to Sunday school for years except for just lately when my computer went down and I had to stay home and fix it.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:44pm.

Try Google.

"Fran Sheldon", Georgia

P.S. You wouldn't find me with a "White Pages search".


Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 9:57am.

It is clear from the above posting . . . bad_ptc is Fran Sheldon.

bad_ptc writes, "You wouldn't find ME with a White Pages search".

I did find one single Google hit. A previous letter to the editor supporting Brown. How obvious. Only proves this tactic has been used before. Next time, recommend you come up with a new ficticious name.

What a truly desperate move. Brownies (either Brown or his supporters) posting a totally bogus endorsement. “Mrs Fran Sheldon”, a supposed Senior and Brown supporter, claims Brown helped her family. She clearly doesn’t exist. FICTICIOUS FRAN also claims to have voted for Brown. Yeah, right. FICTICIOUS FRAN has been registered on this site for TWO days. But the really comical part is that Brownies really believed it would help. Everyone knows that SENIORs are by far the heaviest bloggers and readers of postings to this site (NOT). What a sad and misguided attempt to generate support for a failed campaign. Seriously delusional.

From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:37am.

All the Lawyer Ramsey suppporters that magically appeared with duplicate sign-ons withing moments of each other. You are probably one of them Mr. 5 Weeks. I'll tell you this. It's obvious that Mrs. Sheldon is a real as you are.

So you keep peeing straight up in the air. But please be careful... it's starting to splatter back into your face. Smiling


Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 2:54pm.

Go ahead Git. Prove Fran Sheldon exists. You can't. Now who's all wet?

From the other side of the tracks (not a Ramsey supporter, just not a fan of Steve Brown)

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:15pm.

By the same token you prove that she doesn't exist.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by Bonkers on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:28pm.

I'll never understand those weirdos on here who are intimidated and fascinated with not knowing who exactly everyone is!
Write it for the public, not someone you know.
Those are entirely two different things.

Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:23pm.

My point exactly. Thanks for making it.
Bad_ptc created the ficticious Fran Sheldon. So Fran does exist. But only in the mind of bad_ptc. Creating a FALSE endorsement is typical of the Brownie mindset. One Brownie (bad_ptc) tells a lie an another Brownie (Git Real) swears to it. You Brownies are all so predictable.

Got anything else for dinner?
From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:35pm.

how do you know bad created her, just because you say so? you talk a game, but what you demand of others you cannot do yourself, as I said earlier put up or shut up.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:52pm.

Keep on flogging that horse, but I am not taking the bait. No need.

bad_ptc created Fran. Just read bad's post. Bad_ptc used the term "me" when referring to Fran. That's what happens to liars. They can't keep their lies straight.

Honesty is the best policy.
From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:31pm.

As it only costs me about $1.50/month to keep you spinning in circles I find it money well spent.

The reason that you wouldn't find me, not to be confused with Fran Sheldon, with a White Pages search is that I have an "unlisted phone number".

Had you bothered to search for Fran Sheldon, you would have found several posts dating from Nov, 2005 Thank you, Mayor Brown.

That should pretty much disprove your theory that I just created Fran Sheldon to annoy you.

Your grasp on the English language needs improvement if you somehow ASSumed that I was referring to Fran Sheldon when I wrote "me".


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 5:00pm.

With almost no effort I can prove your investigative prowess to be just about as worthless as your postings.

Had you bothered to do a "Yahoo" search you would have found that there is indeed a Mrs. Sheldon who resides in PTC and has an UNLISTED phone number.

F.Y.I. that means that she doesn't wish to be bothered by petty little slime like yourself.

So do us all a favor and please slid back under that little rock you call home.


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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 12/15/2007 - 3:30pm.

Where are you other side?

Now that several of us have posted proof that you were wrong, on several issues, you tuck your tail between your legs and hide.

I guess that's what we should expect from a 'Rammy' all of five weeks old. I assume that most of the other 5 week wonders will disappear soon as well.

Please open your yap and step in it some more. We enjoy the opportunity of kicking your behind again.

It's amazing how fast slime recedes when its been "outed".


Submitted by other side trax on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 9:47am.

And I'm not going anywhere. Just been busy lately. You really hurt my feeling with the name calling. Slime? Looser? (nice spelling). C'mon, you can do better than that.

I'll be around after the election. I promise. I'm more interested in the Elemenatry School Redistricting issue, actually.

From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by ptctaxpayer on Sat, 12/15/2007 - 3:57pm.

Other Side Trax, another Rammy paid pol that will soon disappear. His perqs are a trip to Jekyll, AMS tixs with the liquor lobbyists and a ride in the Capitol elevator with Judas Iscariot Seabaugh.

Hack is right---- those clown lawyers waving at cars looked like goofballs. Got a great business going out there if you have a sign that says "Will Sue for Food", hoping there is car wreck around. Mike King is right---- with the ton of cash they threw at a lowly State House seat, there must be one helluva rainbow at the end of this "public service" gig.


Submitted by johenry on Sat, 12/15/2007 - 4:20pm.

Both RCHALL and pyt96 are paid bloggers. You'll see their accounts were generated at the same time. The give the same message (always trashing Steve Brown) and the messages come at the same time.

I have been told the kids handing out the literature at the Christmas program were paid and some of the people going door-to-door to super voters are paid.

Mike King was brave enought to say it, the Ramsey people are trying to buy an election.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:00pm.

I went back and reread that, you must have graduated from the Evelyn Wood sped redding and compression course if that's what you got out of it, so once again, put up or shut up, that's right you can't do either.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:37pm.

Leave Matt Ramsey alone already. He's under a lot of stress at the moment.


Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:56pm.

You finally figured it out. I am Ramsey. But not Matt. Dave. Excuse me I have a caller on the line.

From the other side of the tracks

Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:02pm.

You ain't that smart. Now apologize to Dave.


Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:10pm.

But I am smart enough to spot a FAKE endorsement. And you Brownies continue to support it. How sad and desperate.

From the other side of the tracks

hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:44pm.

here's another movie line, this character has the same grasp on reality that ost does, ok here goes, English accent, Your arm's off, no it isn't.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:53pm.

Monty Python and the Holy Grail.


hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:56pm.

Am I right or am I right?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:00pm.

You be da man. You yams what you Yams.

You ole Brownie you....

BTW... who you supporting? Puzzled


hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:03pm.

More then likely Brown, although I don't really like him, seems like the lesser of the evils, you know?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:40pm.

I think dollar's on a fifth ID now, except dollar makes more sense then this yahoo. Did you see Ramsey at the corner of 85 and 54 Thursday morning? Someone should tell him wearing a t-shirt over a dress shirt and tie looks goofy.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:50pm.

He did look like a goofball. But, what was really funny was seeing the 3 guys with their suits and ties standing there waving at cars with him. It looked like a local BAR meeting. Or better yet... a local lawyer / developer meeting. Smiling

Hutch, don't diss $Dollar$ like that. $ has far more sense and $ is a calm and collected person. This guy ain't right. He reminds me of a Palestinian Terrorist Protester waving an AK-47 around in a crowd while firing off bursts in the air while ripping an American flag apart with his teeth. Shocked Yikes!


Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:32pm.

If you don't get a grip right now, it's highly likely that you're head is going to explode. I just hope it happens before you get behind the wheel or worse yet, get your hands on a firearm. Smiling

Okay Trax... now calm down and direct yourself back to the issues. Or are you purposely trying to side trax us readers?

Now take a deep breath and chill.

N


Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:01pm.

Time for a 20 minute session of TM (Transcendental Meditation). Be back in 20. Recommend you and the rest of the Brownies do the same.
LOL
From the other side of the tracks

hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:13pm.

lets check the voter registration rolls for other side trax, bet there ain't one of them either.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by other side trax on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:18pm.

From the other side of the tracks

hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:20pm.

come on trax tell us all who steve is pretending to be

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by other side trax on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:26pm.

From the other side of the tracks

hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:54pm.

you made the accusation so tell us should be easy right, name some names mr substance.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 7:25pm.

I'm the real Steve Brown! Smiling


Submitted by johenry on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 9:45pm.

Power to the people, even the paranoid and harshly negative Ramsey supporters. Steve Brown stands up for the average people.

Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:34am.

Steve Brown stands up for FICTICIOUS people . . . is what you meant to say, right? LOL

What a joke . . . and the Brownies continue to support this nonsense. The seriously deluded leading the delusional. You all make me laugh so hard . . .

From the other side of the tracks

Submitted by Doug on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:56am.

I copied one of the lists of active people in the community who support Steve Brown and sign their name. Other side trax missed them.

Supporters for Brown
Tue, 12/04/2007 - 4:18pmBy: Letters to the ...
The upcoming special election on Dec. 18 is extremely important to Fayette County. With issues like tax reform, transportation, growth, and resource management likely to take center stage at this year’s General Assembly, it is imperative that we in the 72nd District have a strong representative.

I admire everyone who is willing to step forward and run for office – it truly is a difficult and often thankless job – and I believe that Steve Brown is the best person for the job.

Steve Brown’s passion for this community is evident, and I feel he is on the right side of the issues that are most important to Fayette County.

He also has the experience and knowledge of the issues that will be essential to being an effective legislator. The quality I admire most about Steve Brown is his openness. I don’t agree with him on 100 percent of the issues, but I know exactly where he stands. I wish more politicians followed this model.

I also believe that Steve Brown cares about the people he will represent, and he will always value and honor their voices over politics and special interests.

I wish Steve Brown the best in his campaign, and most of all, I hope everyone will make his or her voice heard by voting on Dec. 18.

David Lakly

Peachtree City, Ga.

[David Lakly is the son of the late District 72 state Rep. Dan Lakly, who died in October.]

__________

I was sorry to read about the untimely death of Rep. Dan Lakly. My thoughts and prayers go out to his wife and children.

I am thankful Steve Brown has decided to run for Rep. Lakly’s seat. Steve was a tremendous help to my subdivision, St. Simons Cove, when he was mayor. Additionally, I witnessed him assisting many other subdivisions with the tough issues both during and after he was mayor.

Steve understands how government works and he is very proficient at analyzing problems and finding solutions. However, his biggest asset is his love of the community and its residents. He supports and defends the average homeowners with great passion. He is an action-oriented person. He doesn’t just talk about issues. He goes to the next step.

Steve truly listens to people and he places the common good over special interests. These traits make him a valuable resource for our county. He is open to listening to the other side and then makes decisions that are in the best interests of our community.

We would be well served in the state legislature with Steve Brown as our representative in District 72. There is certainly a lot at stake with this election. Everyone who wants Peachtree City and Fayette County to remain the charming and safe place it has always been needs to cast a vote for Steve Brown on Dec. 18.

Cindy Zeldin

Peachtree City, Ga.

__________

In Peachtree City saying the name Steve Brown triggers strong responses from people. Those that don’t generally voice their opinions on politics have an opinion about Steve Brown.

In 2007, Peachtree City and my neighborhood were faced with the possibility of a big-box development on the southside of town. As a new homeowners association president I was faced with a hefty learning curve.

I met Steve Brown at a Peachtree City Civic Association meeting where I explained the big-box situation as I knew it. I expressed a need for support from the community to win this fight, my limited understanding of how city government operates and the relevant laws and ordinances.

This cry for help was heard by many including Steve Brown. He met with my homeowners association board to discuss the big box and other surrounding issues of concern. We had an open forum of debate and learning.

Following this face-to-face meeting he was available to me and my homeowners any time by phone and email for countless questions. Steve Brown was able to explain historical information, why decisions were made and who the decision-makers were at the time.

Because he was a former mayor for Peachtree City, he had years of personal historic understanding as well as studied information. This knowledge was invaluable and it greatly contributed to the success of our community defeating the big box from being built on the southside of Peachtree City. He was a major driving force in this success story.

I have and continue to learn a great deal from Steve Brown. He was supportive of our homeowners association in a time of crisis when we needed guidance.

He is passionate about his beliefs. He cares and gets others interested in issues that affect them. His skills include stating the facts, assembling the support in the community and lobbying for that within government. These are signs of a true leader. Isn’t that the role of a representative at the state House?

Steve Brown is running for Dan Lakly’s House seat, District 72. This district covers most of Peachtree City and extends eastward to the Fayette/Clayton county line in an area south of Ga. Highway 54, including part of Fayetteville.

Steve knows the issues of the people because he takes time to know the people of Peachtree City and to hear their concerns. Not only does he hear the people but he has a track record of assisting the community in advocating for government decisions that are for the better good of all in our town.

This special election will be held on Dec. 18. Make a difference: Vote.

Laurie Farmer

President, Wilshire Estates Homeowners Association

Peachtree City, Ga.

__________

When Steve Brown was mayor of Peachtree City, he proved himself to be a man of integrity who put the well-being of his constituents in very high priority.

Steve Brown is now a candidate for the House of Representatives, District 72, and our community now has the opportunity of electing someone who beyond of shadow of a doubt is a tireless advocate and servant of the people, not only of Peachtree City, but of all Fayette County.

I have been following Steve Brown’s dialogues and discussions, and having seem him come through for many groups in our community while he was in office, truly feel that he would not disappoint our county as a member of Georgia’s House of Representatives.

Steve Brown is not a man afraid to speak out on issues that concern the well-being of our community.

Brown opposes House Speaker Richardson’s tax plan of promoting a “centralized government,” something that would take away the power from school districts, cities and counties.

Brown adamantly opposes any proposal that would take any Fayette County school taxes and then deposit them in a single state fund for statewide distribution.

Our Fayette County takes great pride in being one of the best school districts in the state of Georgia, and the money we pay out to have it this way would be put in a common fund.

As a parent, I find this proposal to be ridiculous, and count on Steve Brown to protect what we have.

Our community has been protesting the TDK Extension into Coweta County for a while now. As a representative of the House, Steve Brown would continue to monitor the efforts to keep this construction at bay and he would not sponsor any state legislation for the state to override our wishes.

He would support the establishment of a flexible cap on state spending, something of extreme importance now that our state government has committed to support to keep Grady Hospital open.

DOT and the transportation system in our state has had an everlasting battle with finances, and Steve Brown would like to reconfigure the whole concept so that it can be an incentive for sound development and transportation principles as well as a way to save tax dollars. At present, this system is understaffed, with transportation prices going up constantly.

The water crisis is something that is of main concern to all of us, no matter what part of Georgia we live in. Steve Brown would like to create a comprehensive statewide water plan, and give us all the peace of mind we all need at this time of severe crisis.

Politics by its very nature is controlled by special interest groups. Steve Brown has the integrity to overcome the special interests. As a resident of Peachtree City and of Fayette County, I need the peace of mind to know that the person elected to District 72 is going to work for me and my family.

Steve Brown has proven himself to be that person in whom I will deposit my trust. I encourage everyone to vote on Tuesday, Dec. 18 for Steve Brown.

The issues mentioned above will not be remedied overnight, but I know that Steve Brown will do his absolute best to give us the very best we deserve.

Marta McGlade

Peachtree City, Ga.

Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 2:46pm.

What’s your point??? I read those letters long before you posted them. Wow. You proven that Brown has a few misguided supporters (heretofor known as BROWNIES) who wrote in to the paper. I am UNDERWHELMED. Still doesn’t prove Fran Sheldon exists. Because she doesn’t. bad_ptc revealed that by using “me” when referring to Fran Sheldon while posting. When you tell lies, it leads to slip ups just like the one bad_ptc made.
So Brown has a few supporters. Anyone who reads these posting knows that. Brown also has many detractors. He’s a polarizing fellow. And a polarizing politician with absolutely no STATE government experience is not what we need. Brown is known for his local antics. Some Fayette county folks know him well because as mayor, he ticked off many with his “letter to the editor” tactics. Great way to influence people and make friends (NOT).
If you really want to be UNDERWHELMED, just wait for the election results. Brown will be back to baking Brownies. He’ll need to. Looks like brownie Fran Sheldon has been eaten for lunch.
Hey Brownies! Got anything for dinner???

From the other side of the tracks

Submitted by Bonkers on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 4:25pm.

Let us face it: Joe Blow from kokomo could serve us in the house!
Seniority is all that matters up there and most of those that have it are incompetent.

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Submitted by Silence Dogood on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:21pm.

Do not be such an angry and hateful person. I remember Fran's posts from a long time ago. Longer than you have been here. Stop being so unkind. Steve Brown is not like you say. He has always been kind and helpful to so many of us. Please try to stick to the issues. I don't know if Mrs. Sheldon is a real person or not. whoever she is, she has a right to be heard just like you and i.

God bless you and happy holidays.


Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:36pm.

You remember Fran's posting from a long time ago? Yeah, right.

As I said, one Brownie lies and the other Brownies swear to it. How about some proof? You have none. Just words.

Nothing hateful in my postings. Just the facts. Sorry if the truth injured your fragile sensibilities. But then its obvious. You are not interested in the truth. Otherwise you'd be holding your fellow Brownies feet to the fire and chastizing them for such a hollow and shameless lie/endorsement. But you are not. You'd rather try and make me look like the bad guy. Too bad nobody's buying it. Except Brownies, of course.

C'mon brownies, I'm still hungry. Somebody prove Fran Sheldon exists. Git claims Fran waited on him (at some restaurant, I assume). Which one Git? How can I get in touch with FICTICIOUS FRAN???

From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by Silence Dogood on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 3:41pm.

http://www.thecitizen.com/scgi-bin/search.cgi?query=fran+sheldon&SORT=
1&setand=checkbox&collection=
new&edit%5Btoken%5D=
4010da218deb92c436fdefe579c4c0d4

I do not know how to do a blue thing that takes you to the site. I hope this helps you so your not going to be so mad a man.


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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:25pm.

Here Ms. Dogood. Let me help you with that 'blue thing that takes you to the site'. For short you may just call it a link.

HEY SORRY SIDE OF THE TRAXS... CLICK HERE: And Git A Load Of This Smiling

That Bad_PTC guy is so good, he even got Cal to forge pages in the archives to back his facade. Is he good or what? LMAO!


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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 11:00am.

to our friend trax if these people's name isn't in the white pages they don't exist.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:45am.

you still haven't told us which of us are Brown in disguise, do you know or is this just more of your hot air?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:49am.

No use tellin you something you already know.

I have a new name for you hutch = "No horse too dead"

Now, for the sake of all of us, please ask the same question AT LEAST ONE MORE TIME.

From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:54am.

I don't know unlike you I don't the facility to look at a post and see if the person is really who he says he is, you on the other hand keep saying you KNOW who these people are, but you won't share, so either you're a liar or you're dollar's fifth personality, you tell me which. Or just tell us who is Brown in disguise, easy enough, put up or shut up.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by pentapenguin on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 1:13am.

Hey Hutch! Maybe The Citizen should hire you as their new hard-hitting investigative reporter. Smiling


hutch866's picture
Submitted by hutch866 on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 7:28am.

How you doing son, I'm using your firefox and you're right I do like it better then windows.

I yam what I yam....Popeye


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Submitted by pentapenguin on Tue, 12/18/2007 - 3:04pm.

Good. How about you? Smiling I'm glad you like Firefox better...please let me know if you have any questions. Always glad to help. Smiling

And I was 100% serious about what I said! When a non-professional (i.e. you don't do it full time) blogger can ask harder questions and keeping digging until he gets an answer than a professional reporter (i.e. a certain reporter's "fluff piece"), then maybe Mr. Beverly should reconsider his staff. Eye-wink


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Submitted by ptcgv on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:07pm.

I just checked the white pages of the phone book AND googled your name. Couldn't find you anywhere. Odd huh?

How do we know you aren't Matt Ramsey with a stupid moniker?


Submitted by other side trax on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:12pm.

"nothing of susbstance"

From the other side of the tracks

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Submitted by Git Real on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 7:29pm.

Why is it that the Steve Brown supporters have a good time and kid around while enjoying life, while you Ramsey Kool-Aid Drinkers walk around together with your pitiful long faces acting as if you soiled your drawers? Puzzled

Back off of Mrs. Sheldon dude. Anyone one who has been around for any length of time has probably had the pleasure of having her wait their table.


Submitted by other side trax on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 10:45am.

What a surprise! Git claims to have been served by her! Yeah right. Nice try. Unless it was some of your own Kool-Aid . . . LOL

From the other side of the tracks

Git Real's picture
Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 11:05am.

Anyone Who Has Been Around These Blogs knows Mrs. Sheldon. I suppose since you are such a 'newbie' it should be understandble that you would be ignorant of such facts.


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Submitted by ptcgv on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 7:36pm.

I was trying to come up with a response to "derailed Trax" but you beat me to it.

As usual, you did it much better than I could have.

Yeah - thank goodness for our sense of humor.


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Submitted by hutch866 on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 4:05pm.

let us in on the secret, what are all of steve's monikers?

I yam what I yam....Popeye


Submitted by Doug on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 6:35am.

I thought the young people did a wonderful job on the political forum. Their performance gives me hope for the future.

As far as the candidates, I agree with pentapenguin below.

Matt Ramsey is being backed by the developer set and one of the questions to him even mentioned that fact. He's a nice young man, but he's also a big risk. A gentleman pointed out to me that Ramsey had paid consultants at the forum, so I guess that's what the big bucks are paying for. He had an answer for every question, but some reflected a lack of experience. I would strongly consider voting for him if he didn't have all of the baggage with his contributors like Bob Lenox and developers set.

The posters below who say Steve Brown was mean and egotistical are just trying to stir up trouble because he was great. He had a solid answer for each question and ranks high on the experience factor. He stood out on budgeting and transportation issues. A bonus with him is we can count on him not giving in to special interest either.

I felt bad for Heidi Becker too who didn't do well at all. She had the courage to come to the forum even though she had the flu.

Kevin Madden is a pure Democrat and is not shy about it. Kudos to him for standing up for what he believes in, but his message doesn't play well in Republican Fayette County. In Fulton County, he could be in the legislature.

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Submitted by pentapenguin on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 11:57pm.

I attended the forum tonight and enjoyed it. Too bad not more of us bloggers turned up -- I saw only two other fellow bloggers that I know of.

For what it's worth (maybe nothing Smiling ), here are my thoughts on the forum tonight.

Just as a side note -- unless I specifically say so, the quotes are not exact. I didn't have a notepad or recorder, but they are very close.

Heidi Becker -- She came across as not really knowing too much about politics. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt though -- she said she was feeling bad and was coming down with the flu. If that's true, then I do respect her for showing up rather than staying in bed. I know it's not fun having the flu. However, she did say one thing I'm really glad she did. Somebody asked the question "What will you do to reduce global warming in Fayette County?" She responded, "I don't think there is global warming." Good for you, Heidi! That took some guts especially after Madden agreed with the question that there is such a thing as global warming.

Pros: likable, friendly, against district voting, and real down to earth
Cons: didn't seem like she knows what goes on at the Capital. She didn't even know what subcommittees she wants to serve on. On the flip side though: you could certainly tell she wasn't a politician, which certainly isn't a bad thing. Eye-wink
Would I vote for her? No. To be honest, I have doubts about her Democratic past and her apparently sudden conversion to the GOP. If she wants to prove her conservative beliefs and learn more about government, then I'd happily reconsider her in a year or two.

Kevin Madden -- a true BLUE Democrat. He claims he's a "fiscally conservative Democrat" (his exact words) but the rest of his speech disproved it. His opening statement was about health care for everybody. One question that he was asked which I really enjoyed was "Do you believe in the sanctity of human life from conception to natural death?" He hemmed and hawed on the question. "Umm...well that's a...[I couldn't hear all of the rest -- something like that's a hard question or that's a really tough question] Well, I don't like using the labels pro-life and pro-choice. I believe the decision whether or not to have a child should be between the woman and her priest or minister. But we should be ashamed that we are one of the richest counties in Georgia yet we have kids without health care...." Blah. Blah. Blah. Typical liberal response -- pretty much avoid the question completely and give an answer totally not related. Another interesting thing from his closing remarks: "Taxes are the cost of a civilized society. We live in a civilized society." (exact quote) Okay...well, Mr. "I'm a fiscally conservative Democrat," it sounds like you haven't met a tax you didn't like!

Pros: unabashedly liberal. A gentleman -- he pulled up Ms. Becker's chair for her which was nice. He did definitely have one of the best lines of the night though: "I'm not for the TDK expansion. I'll lay down in front of the bulldozer if I have to stop it." Probably a nice guy, but he's still a Democrat! Sticking out tongue
Cons: anti-life, likes taxes, big pusher for tax payer funded health care
Would I vote for him: NO! A big government, tax and spend fan, pro-death person is not somebody I want representing me!

Matt Ramsey -- came across well and like he knew what he was talking about. One of the things I best liked about him was his support for zero-based budgeting -- making the bureaucrats justify every dollar of their budget every year. Great idea! They spend too much and making them squirm and putting them on the defensive on their budgets is a good idea. IIRC, he also said that the DOT has too much power, and local road decisions shouldn't be made by them.

Pros: intelligent, knows what's going on, endorsed by Mac Collins
Cons: has developer backing
Would I vote for him: No. If it wasn't for the developer support, I'd seriously consider him. Overall, in my opinion, he's a very good candidate, but because of his developer contributors I feel that he will put TDK and development above our (PTC citizens) interests.

Steve Brown -- despite what somebody else said, I don't think he was mean at all. (I have no idea what gave him or her that impression.) Steve definitely knows what's going on -- instead of vague generalities, he had concrete answers to most of the questions. IIRC, he was the only candidate to address the disaster at the 74 and Interstate 85 crossing. He's right that we need better transportation routes.

Pros: He's Steve Brown. You know where he stands! As the only candidate with political experience (as far as I know), he knows a lot, and I believe he would represent us well because of his experience.
Cons: He's Steve Brown. You either like or hate him. He has plenty of political enemies and some of them may block local road projects or other things at the Capital.
Would I vote for him: yes. He's anti-TDK, for very controlled development, pro-life, and wants to improve the SR-74 and I-85 interchange.

In summary: Becker is nice, but she needs some experience. Madden is VERY liberal and is definitely not for Fayette County. Ramsey has good conservative ideas, but he may be beholden to the developers, which is a risk I'm not willing to take. Brown has a lot of good points, and some bad. Overall, Brown is the best candidate for Peachtree City and Fayette County if for nothing else his opposition to TDK.


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Submitted by AF A-10 on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 6:55pm.

How've you been buddy? Hope all is well. Unfortunately I was not at the forum to give my fellow liberal some support from the crowd, but it sounds like he spoke from the heart. And, again, as NUK said, thanks for the summary. Do I sense a bias in your perspective though (anti-life) Kevin Madden? Does that mean he is going to try to kill himself, me, you, and every other living thing becaue he hates life, or is it more acurate to say he feels the government should not have absolute power over a woman's womb. As you know, the government does have a degree of control now. We do have laws prescribing up to what point and by what means abortion can be carried out. I think it is a very careless comment to say Kevin Madden is anti-life. That is less defensible than me saying republicans are pro torture of living beings. I don't want to make this another blog on abortion, but Penta: There are people who are uncomfortable with the government mandating that 10 and 11 year old girls take to term pregnancies caused by rape and incest. This happens Penta. It happens every year. If "strict constructionists" get there way and actually make the constitution a living and breathing ban abortion please document, you will have the government forcing women and children in cases to carry for nine months the seeds of rape and incest. Penta, do you think even a Red state will ever pass such a law? I don't. And Penta, i have an adopted child, and I know that there are a half million kids awaiting adoption. Why do I meet so few stauch pro-lifers who have adopted shildren from state's custody? Not "blue bloods". I'm talking about kids like my son who's parents lost custody to the state. The kids that need help most. You'd think that all of the staunch pro-life conservatives would have a house full of kids like Rosie ODonnol, the woman they love to lampoon but never praise for her efforts in helping kids in need.

With fiscal policy as relates to Kevin, I believe it is far more sound to tax and spend versus the current GOP borrow and spend. It saves us all the intrest payments.

Thanks again for your post. You may notice that I only took issue with two points you made, but I appreciate the sum total of your blog's efforts. Have a great weekend!

Cheerio,

Kevin "Hack" King


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Submitted by pentapenguin on Fri, 12/14/2007 - 1:20am.

Hey Mr. King...how are ya doing? Are you still out in OK? Hopefully we can get together for coffee at Starbucks again before Christmas. I'd love to chat with you and anybody else that shows up! Smiling

Unfortunately I was not at the forum to give my fellow liberal some support from the crowd, but it sounds like he spoke from the heart.

Yeah, I was hoping that we could have an impromptu bloggers' meeting. Even dollar and his various personalities didn't show up! And you're right, Madden presented himself well -- just very liberal. One thing though if you run into him -- tell him for me to tone down that Yankee accent of his. If I hear "idear" one more time, I might scream! ROFLOL! Laughing out loud

And, again, as NUK said, thanks for the summary.

You're welcomed. I hope it might help others a bit in deciding since you decided to go for Madden just because he has the (D) beside his name. Sticking out tongue

Do I sense a bias in your perspective though (anti-life) Kevin Madden?

Yup, you sense correctly. I believe I've said this before, but I'll say it again: I make no pretensions of being unbiased in certain areas. I'm unashamedly biased towards life, liberty, free markets, less government regulation, fewer taxes, and open and honest government. I have a lot of strong convictions and/or feelings on those subjects, and I proudly defend them. We all have biases, and I believe that being open and up-front about them is a good thing so that you know exactly where I'm coming from. I'm very passionate about the pro-life issue for several reasons, but here's a really simple one: if I had a different mom, I may not have ever been born. You probably can guess my age since you saw me when we had a Starbucks, so you know abortion was 100% legal when I was born. So, I also have a personal stake in this matter as well.

Does that mean he is going to try to kill himself, me, you, and every other living thing becaue he hates life

Fair enough...let me clarify my statement. He is anti-unborn life. I would think that it's a reasonable assumption that he just doesn't want to kill healthy adults or kids off. (I have no idea what is position is on euthanasia.)

or is it more acurate to say he feels the government should not have absolute power over a woman's womb

See...we kinda, sorta think the same, but we don't arrive to the same conclusions. Eye-wink I wholly agree -- government shouldn't control a woman's womb -- they have no right to tell her if or when she can become pregnant. (Here is your cool factoid for the day: Margret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood, was a big supporter for forced sterilizations and was unquestionably a true racist.) But once the cat is out of the bag (so to speak), they should have a legal and moral obligation to step in if necessary to protect that unborn life.

I think it is a very careless comment to say Kevin Madden is anti-life. That is less defensible than me saying republicans are pro torture of living beings.

In my opinion, not really. If you're for the killing of the most defenseless and for killing of people before their lives (in the sense of growing up, having their own family, etc.) begin, how can you say you are pro-life? And if you want to talk about torture, is partial birth abortion a form a torture? It's never medically necessary to basically vacuum a baby's brains out right before birth.

There are people who are uncomfortable with the government mandating that 10 and 11 year old girls take to term pregnancies caused by rape and incest.

Sigh. If nothing else, you libs are predictable. Smiling Instead of arguing with the facts and science, you trot out an emotional argument. Let me explain. Science has proven that an unborn baby is a separate person from the mother. It has different DNA, potentially different blood type, potentially different gender, etc. Again, it's not up for debate -- the science is in and the embryo/fetus/unborn kid is totally genetically separate from its mother. It may not be physically independent, but there's no question that it's genetically independent. Therefore we know that when we see a pregnant woman there are two lives there -- the woman and the baby.

Okay, now that we've established that the "thing" inside is a person and not part of the woman's body, the question is now what do we do with it? Is it SOP to kill the victim for criminal's actions? Think about it logically -- that's what you are basically saying with the rape/incest exception.

Is this a sad case? Sure! Nobody denies that. Do I like this? No way! But does aborting the baby really solve the problem? It may take away an immediate reminder for a few months, but does it really help the woman in the long run? No, I don't think so -- higher rates of breast cancer and other emotional problems sometimes follow abortions. Even if there were no long term effects, it still wouldn't be right. Good ole Dr. Suess said it best: "A person is a person no matter how small."

If "strict constructionists" get there way and actually make the constitution a living and breathing ban abortion please document, you will have the government forcing women and children in cases to carry for nine months the seeds of rape and incest.

Again, please, I respectfully ask you to argue scientifically with me, not emotionally. Is the unborn a human being or not? If it is, then it's wrong to kill it. If it's not human, then there's nothing wrong. We're arguing the wrong thing -- we need to go back to the beginning. (Sorry, it's late so I can't remember the exact logic term for this -- Muddle, please help me out! Smiling )

Penta, do you think even a Red state will ever pass such a law? I don't.

And your point is? It may or may not become law -- it doesn't matter what the law says -- the question is whether it's right or wrong. (Just as a sidenote, almost all law today is Political Law [based on arbitrary decisions] rather than Higher Law [based on the concepts of right and wrong]. With that said....) Political Law is frequently wrong -- I don't think I need to remind you of how wrong and evil laws supporting slavery were. Just because the law doesn't codify something as a crime doesn't mean it isn't. This may or may not be a perfect example, but the law doesn't specifically say that I can't steal your son's Xbox 360. However, you and I (and the police!) know that's wrong because Higher Law says that taking someone's property without his or her permission is a crime.

And Penta, i have an adopted child, and I know that there are a half million kids awaiting adoption.

Congratulations! You are making a positive difference (Well...almost except for teaching him to vote Democrat Sticking out tongue -- sorry, I had to throw that in! Smiling ) in his life and you should be proud.

Why do I meet so few stauch pro-lifers who have adopted shildren from state's custody? Not "blue bloods". I'm talking about kids like my son who's parents lost custody to the state. The kids that need help most. You'd think that all of the staunch pro-life conservatives would have a house full of kids

Frankly, that's a red herring. Whether us pro-lifers do as much as we should is irrelevant -- it has nothing to do with whether or not our arguments that the unborn are 100% human are valid or not. But to answer your question, I do some volunteer work for the Fayette Pregnancy Resource Center which helps women from all walks of life and in many different circumstances. I don't just preach the pro-life talk, I try to live it as well by helping out. Also my pastor is very involved in the local PRC as well. In fact, he has several foster kids. And he has opened his house for girls in trouble -- once, he convinced a girl to keep her baby and he and his family took care of him so she could finish school. Not everybody can for whatever reason adopt a kid or take in a teen girl, but there are a lot of good people helping others out in whatever way they can.

Moving along.... Smiling

With fiscal policy as relates to Kevin, I believe it is far more sound to tax and spend versus the current GOP borrow and spend. It saves us all the intrest payments.

LOL...and it will bankrupt us too the way the Republicrats and Demicans spend. {roll eyes} I'm afraid you're suffering from the "lesser of two evils" blindness disease. "Heavy taxing and spending" and "borrowing and spending" are both wrong. The first does immediate damage to our economy, and the second does long term damage to the economy. Instead of the "tax and spend" or the "borrow and spend" party platforms, I believe in the "cut and cut some more" platform. Think of it as clear cut logging -- just with taxes and unnecessary programs instead of trees. Smiling

You may notice that I only took issue with two points you made

I'm sure we've hash the others out later. Smiling

Have a great weekend!

Ditto to you and a very Merry Christmas! Smiling


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Submitted by nuk on Thu, 12/13/2007 - 7:32am.

I wasn't there and am waiting to hear back from someone I know that did attend. I have a feeling they'll report similar, only they'll also go with Ramsey over Brown.

I've known Kevin Madden for years and he IS a nice guy who isn't shy about his political views, and he can back some of them up with decent arguments. Whether you like his opinions or not(I disagree with most of them), you know where he stands and he isn't the type to try and represent all things to all people. Still, I wouldn't vote for him:) I would expect him to do well in a candidate forum and would also expect Brown to do pretty well as he comes prepared and takes it very seriously. Again, I wouldn't vote for him either, but I would have guessed before the forum that the two who would have had the best "performances" would be Brown and Madden.

Ramsey is running like an incumbent at this point and his main job was to not say anything stupid or come across as arrogant. He didn't need to impress as much as the others as he's got some powerful backing(from non-developers too)from the Fayette County Repub establishment. His connections with the local party and Mac Collins are very strong and that equals votes here.

NUK


Submitted by johenry on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:47pm.

The hired bloggers "RCHALL" and "pyt96" are working their spin for the Ramsey campaign. Oops, they have both been registered on the site exactly 3 weeks and 1 day (what a coincidence). Yes, the Ramsey campaign cash actually pays for people to blog on this site.

Steve Brown had real answers and real experience. The others said what the would do, but Steve told what he had done as mayor with budgets, ordinances, etc.

Kevin Madden fought off the attacks of the Ramsey questioners quite well. He and Brown knew what they were talking about.

Submitted by RCHALL on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:35pm.

Ramsey was really solid, he's got my vote. Madden was pretty good too but I'm a conservative Republican and he's unabashedly a liberal Democrat.

The other two were awful. Becker doesn't know anything about the Legislature. That's not my opinion -- she said so herself! I've never seen anything like it.

Steve Brown was, well, Steve Brown. Meanspirited, self-absored, and uninformed on the issues. It will be just like last time. He will send out his attack dogs on the blogs, they will smear his opponents with a bunch of lies, and then Brown will lose huge anyway.

Submitted by johenry on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:57pm.

I was there and just read the article from John Manford. The Steve Brown "meanspirited, self-absored" gimmick won't work.

You guys are really desperate.

The Stone Political Action Committee out of Gwinnett County is funding Matt Ramsey's campaign too. There's going to be a lot of political payback required if Ramsey is elected.

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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:49pm.

So, you think you can turn this into a race between the Corrupt Developer Candidate Lawyer Ramsey and the Democrat? Wow.. you guys are repeating the same talking points. Either that or you're all the same person. Gee, you all posted within seconds of each other, none of you were on together, you all said the same things, and you all hit the Citizen at the same time after coming from the debate. How shallow and obvious.

Nice try, but nobody's going to buy it. Especially you pretending like Steve Brown is no longer in this race.

Steve Brown was, well, Steve Brown. Meanspirited, self-absored, and uninformed on the issues. It will be just like last time. He will send out his attack dogs on the blogs, they will smear his opponents with a bunch of lies, and then Brown will lose huge anyway.

Pot calling the kettle black? Looks like Lawyer Ramsey has sent his attack dogs out to blog. You know... to smear Steve Brown with a bunch of lies. Yawn.....

Hey goof ball. CLICK HERE AND THEN CONNECT THE DOTS. AFTER THAT GO AHEAD AND PRETEND LIKE I'M LYING. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE EXCHANGE/a>


Submitted by pyt96 on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:28pm.

Ramsey looked really good, he knows his stuff and is the only conservative in the race. The thing is, Madden is a liberal, so if you are a Democrat, I guess he is your guy. He did OK too. But the other two were awful.

Heidi Becker admitted that she doesn't know the legislative process or what are the good committees to be on. I couldn't believe she actually admitted that, it was stunning. There were crickets chirping in the background people were so dumbfounded.

And Steve Brown just bloviated about how great he is, he never actually talked about the issues. Big shock there. I can't imagine why he's made so many enemies in Fayette County.

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Submitted by Paul Perkins on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 11:53pm.

It was not designed to be anything like a "debate" where they cross question each other and a basic premise or premises are stated and the points and counter points are hashed out.

Short, precise, single-issue questions were asked and 60-second answers were given. It's an effective way to get a candidate's position of a broad number of ideas.

Ramsey's "amen corner" (also known as developers' den) kept bursting into applause in such a contrived manner that was quickly seen through by the audience. Matt finally laughed after one such outburst, saying "Thanks, Mom."

Kevin is at least honest in saying he's OK with killing human life as long as they're small and defenseless (he may believe that this position will thin out the future voting pool so that he can finally get elected to some public office) I would give 1 point for honesty and 2 points if he really will lie down in "front of a bulldozer" to stop TDK. Overall position is that we need more, not less, government. His closing statement that "taxes are the price we pay for a civil society ... and we're very civil" speaks volumes about his economic views.

Brown gave more specific details than anyone else. I didn't agree with everything he said, but I was able to get a fair idea of what his positions are.

This is the way to blog!


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Submitted by Denise Conner on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:37pm.

"Heidi Becker admitted that she doesn't know."

At least she's an honest Democan / Republicrat and nice, too. She knows how to smile for the cameras, a prerequisite for office.

She does seem to see through global warming = good intuition Puzzled


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Submitted by Git Real on Wed, 12/12/2007 - 10:37pm.

I suppose this bares repeating.

Did you just read the same news release that I did? Puzzled

Did you happen to read the solutionless babble that Lawyer Ramsey spewed out? Did he read his answers off his website or his slick glossy mailer? Puzzled

From what I can read (with my own two eyes) is that it was Steve that offered up the most solutions. When it comes to being a 'longtime loser' like you, Steve Brown could cure cancer, eliminate so-called global warming, personally cut Osama Bin-Laden's throat, pay off the national debt and you'd still be wetting your pants over him.

I can't even compliment you with a 'Nice Try' on your pitiful post. Evil


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