Git Real and bad_ptc: I need your advice!

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Hey Git and bad_ptc (and anybody else that knows about this subject) -- I need some advice from you guys since you're experts in this area. Smiling

I was wanting to get a semiautomatic and I was thinking about getting the Smith & Wesson M&P. Now I haven't test fired it yet, but the last time I was in Autrey's I felt it and it felt good with a solid grip. Is this a good one to buy? Also, what caliber do you recommend? Personally, I really like 9mm especially because it's cheap for target practice at Autrey's, but it also comes in 40 and 357 versions.

So...question 1) is this a good hand gun? and 2) what caliber is better if you have had any experience?

Thanks! Smiling

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Submitted by BPR on Fri, 10/05/2007 - 6:02am.

I don't own one. I don't plan on it. Ask the ones that has one.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Fri, 10/05/2007 - 6:16am.

he said anyone that knows about it, if you didn't know anything why answer?

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by d.smith700 on Sat, 10/06/2007 - 6:30pm.

I have read all this gun stuff here and I understand what bpr is saying. He (or she) doesn't want to use a gun, so he probably doesn't have one!
How many people have you killed or wounded lately?
I have a gun or two stored away, for 30 years now, I suppose. I had to buy new ammo last year it was so old.
I don't like to brag about shooting someone with a gun and don't understand those who do, because those who would shoot you will never know anything about you!
As to a .45, I qualified once upon a time with one of those dead-weights, but I never knew anybody who could hit anything less than a barn, over 30 feet!
I prefer 12 gauge buckshot if I must.

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Submitted by hutch866 on Sun, 10/07/2007 - 12:50am.

Of course you understand, you speak confused. It's been at least a couple of days since I killed or wounded anyone. The penguin said "and anyone else that knows about it". He obviously didn't mean bpr since by her own admission she doesn't know anything about it. I didn't bring the subject up, I didn't offer any advice, so direct your comments to someone who did , or does.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Submitted by skyspy on Sat, 10/06/2007 - 8:57pm.

I don't think anyone is bragging about shooting people. They are talking about being able to defend themselves. Also there are many gun competitions out there.

12 gauge w/ buckshot?? At close range birdshot will take out an intruder and leave your neighbors home intact. Try the 20 gauge Remington easy to handle in an emergency. Also a little smaller, easier to hide in your home.

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Submitted by pentapenguin on Fri, 10/05/2007 - 2:03am.

Okay thanks guys for all the advice. Yes, I've fired a variety of hand guns and I generally prefer semiautomatics to revolvers if for no other reason than personal preference since I just like clips better since I've used them more. {shrugs} I just like 'em the best. And no, it's not for hunting.

As for Glocks, I prefer Sigs over them for several reasons. Too bad they generally run so much more than Glocks.

The reason I was asking about this particular S&W is I always like advice and real world experience before I shell out $$$$ on major purchases so I was wondering if any of you have tried this one. I know sometimes you get a gun then once you start actually using it a bunch you kick yourself and say "what was I thinking?!?" Actually, I got talking to one of the guys at Autrey's, and he recommended this one. Yeah, I really like them there, but they are still salespeople so that's why I was asking to get an unbiased answer. Eye-wink

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Thu, 10/04/2007 - 11:58pm.

There are several factors that should go into the purchase of a handgun.

In no particular order some of them are:

1. What do you plan on shooting with it?
2. Does it feel comfortable in your hand?
3. Can you aim it accurately?
4. Are you going to really practice with it?
5. Have you tried other brands/models/calibers/styles?
6. Are you planning on carrying it as in concealed?
7. Is the weight correct, what about the length?
8. Does repeated firing hurt you hand or arm?
9. Does it kick too much?
10. Do you have previous shooting experience?
11. Is the safety in the right place for you?
12. Are you ever going to hunt with it?

These are just some of the questions you need to ask yourself and depending on how you answer these questions you can narrow your search a bit.

As an example you can’t legally hunt with a 9mm. It can’t generate the needed foot lbs. of force. Neither will most .45’s. A 357 will and you can chamber a .38 cal. in a .357 so you have the option of a lighter target round.

If you want something for ‘home protection’ I would steer you to a Mossberg's 410 home defender pump shotgun. It will take out bubba without taking out your neighbor next door.

A quality handgun is a large investment. Some can run as much as a few thousand dollars.

My first suggestion would be to go to a place like Autrey's and talk with some of there instructors. I know they're a Glock dealer but they’re knowledgeable on a wide verity of different manufactures and models.

You may find that a semiautomatic isn’t the gun for you and a revolver is more your style.

Try and test fire several makes/models to see if there is something that impresses you even more than the S&W.

Guns can be tailored to you as well. A lot of models can be fitted with different grips and sights that may work better for you.

The S&W is a fine handgun but I get the impression that you don’t have much experience in this area.

Talk to some of the other shooters. Try and pick some people that are your general build and weight and ask them why they shoot the gun they do.

If you have any friends that have handguns ask them a question or two or three. Ask them to come to Autrey's and let you test fire theirs.

Get will tell you that the .40 is his choice. I prefer a .45. Neither of us care for the 9mm.

A 9mm can ricochet off of a windshield, a .40 can go thru a car door, a .45 can go thru a car.

Unless you plan on buying several over a period of time, consider a gun purchase like a marriage. It’s something you're going to be spending a lot of time with and money on so you might as well get the one you like the most. Then again you can always “trade up”.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 10/05/2007 - 12:33am.

Git will tell you that the .40 is his choice. I prefer a .45. Neither of us care for the 9mm.

A 9mm can ricochet off of a windshield, a .40 can go thru a car door, a .45 can go thru a car.

I prefer the .40. It accomplishes my goals and it is a round that I am very comfortable in using. The .45 for me is a bit more challenging for me to maintain control of. I will confess, it's a heck of a lot more fun to shoot though!

As for the 9mm. It's the 'round' of choice preferred by the French and the United Nations. Need I say more? Other than the wuss that decided our branches of service should standardize with those pansies should have been drawn and quartered! Evil

Don't get me wrong... the 9mm is a great weapon to use for plinking. But then, so is a .22.

My next purchase is Sig Sauer .40. I also desire to own Colt .45. Shhhh... don't tell anyone though. I do own a 9mm. I've got a pre-ban Mini-Uzi. Smiling And yup... it's legal.

Just stay away from the trash weapons such as the .380 or the .38. Heck, I've got a .380 that I'd just about give you.

I still can't find much fault with the ole .357 round. That one is my Cowboy Weapon. It's still the one I feel most comfortable keeping in my nightstand. The Glock is the one I use as my traveling companion.

Hang loose Penguin. Your going to get a few more views on this one before it's all over.


"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".


Submitted by bladderq on Fri, 10/05/2007 - 12:18am.

See, I told you all that in less than 100 words... Morgan will be proud. Since bad ask for my advice, ME & Phil Spector appreciate the .38 Colt Detective Special. It's stopping power is endorsed by Lana Clarkston & Dr. Henry Lee. Fully loaded w/ 6 not 5 rounds, it wts. the same as a S&W. Have someone load it "hot" w/ a 158 gr bullet. Phil had his loaded w/ 2 dif brands of ammo. It's a revolver so it won't jam.
Now, I'm not sure as a defensive weapon why you care whether the 9mm goes off a windshield or .40 goes thru a door or the .45 goes thru the car but they both probably have to have 400 hp 'vetttes too for other shortcommings. James Bond got along w/ alot less.

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Submitted by Git Real on Fri, 10/05/2007 - 12:39am.

I got a feeling you're going to take offense at my not recommending the .38. I know the .38 can actually take someone down but remember that the Yugo was also designed as a car and once was driven on our highways. Can you believe they actually called that a car?


"That man was Griffin Judicial Circuit District Attorney Scott Ballard".


Submitted by bladderq on Fri, 10/05/2007 - 12:55am.

You wanna stand in front of either one? The .38 Detective Special w/ it's short barrel will throw an awful lotta bang & awe. Good muzzel flash and whole lotta noise. Except for crazed drugged early 1900 filipinos, not many have gotten up from the hit.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Fri, 10/05/2007 - 6:52am.

With a .38 at 50' the person being shot at was just about bullet proof. The snub nosed .38 was mostly all bark. It would spit as much lead out the gap between the cylinder and the barrel as it did out of the barrel.

The tiny hand grip made it hard to just hold on to.

Like most everything else, you get what you pay for.

Now if you want to talk about a truly superior handgun then listen to Get about the Sig.

This starts to get into the high dollar handguns I was telling you about. When your wife/husb. finally sees the bill for one of these, your going to have to talk like Git for a long long time.

If anyone wants to get me a X-Mass present, this will do just fine. Have the factory grips replaced with the non-slip molded rubber combat style and replace the front and rear sights with the red/green three-dot tritium night sights. Then take it to a good gunsmith and have them replace the factory trigger assembly with one for a match grade and set the pull to about 2 to 3 lbs. With practice, you’ll be able to keep the pattern to less than 10” at 100+’.

Another top contender is the Para-Ordnance Carry 12. Heck, everything in the PXT LDA series is top of the line. You’ll note that this handgun has no external hammer and two safeties.

Submitted by bladderq on Fri, 10/05/2007 - 8:11pm.

At 50' is the perp running towards you or away?

Me thinks you read too many back issues of "Soldier of Fortoons" magazine.

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Submitted by bad_ptc on Sat, 10/06/2007 - 12:10am.

I'd be happy to demonstrate to you what I can do with my .45.

I'll gladly waste the $1.10, one round, for such simple amusement.

While your running try to zig-zag a little. That will at least make it interesting.

Submitted by bladderq on Sat, 10/06/2007 - 4:34pm.

Your wife wants you to take the trash out Sun nite. Be sure to take the safety off. You live in a very scarrry place. Try reading "High Times" & put down the fantasy mags.

Submitted by bladderq on Thu, 10/04/2007 - 11:21pm.

What can't afford a Glock? What will you be hunting? The .357 is so last century. My gawd woman, state troopers in the 1930's were toten that cal. If 9mm is good, then 40 is always better. But think about what load you'll be puttin' in and the size of the lead. Jeeeze

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