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If language is not corect, then what is said is not what is meant; if what is said is not what is meant, then what must be done remains undone; if this remains undone, morals and art will deteriorate; if justice goes astray, the people will stand about helpless confusion. Hence there must be no arbitrariness in what is said. This matters about everything.

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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 2:32pm.

And this why Confucius say first mandate on being erected to government responsibirity is "The Rectification of Names." Ret the teacher be teacher, ret the minister be minister, ret president be president....


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 4:56pm.

I think why Confucius may have told one person to begin immediately preaching what he had learned well, and another to get permission from his Father and elder brothers first, was that the first Chinaman was bright, well spoken and could maintain facts.
The other Chinaman student was thick, slow, didn't speak well, but eventually teachable.
I personally think the job of Philosopher was invented from being a school teacher of the liberal arts. A way to invent another higher paying job---create a specialist.
What was it "Maude" asked "Mel Brooks" in "History of the world, Part One---did you BS today, did you BS yesterday? When he applied for UI.

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 2:51pm.

Wasn't this the phiwosopher who started aw this phiwosiphizing stuff?
His phiwosophy was to te one person one thing, and another the opposite, for the same question? Reason? Everybody is different!

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Submitted by muddle on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 3:08pm.

You actuawwy got me thewe, dowwaw.

Interestingly enough, Confucius (551 BC - 479 BC) was a contemporary of some of the earliest Greek philosophers(e.g., Heraclitus: 540-480 BC)as well as the philosophical ferment that was taking place in India (e.g., Guatama 563-483). So, no, he was certainly not then first. The interesting question is why philosophical reasoning seems to have come into existence all at once in apparently isolated cultures around the world, as though its time had come: a Cambrian Explosion of sorts?

Your suggestion that "Everybody is different" with its apparent implication that philosophical truth is relative is, itself, an attempt at philosophical reasoning. If your suggestion is permitted to stand on the grounds that there is disagreement between, say, Confucius and the Buddha, then it works equally well when we notice that you and I disagree about whether "Everybody is different" has any defensible implications. Your own view here is no less "philosophical" in its intent than the views that you disparage.
As a result, your view is self-refuting. If "everybody is different" suffices to undermine substantive philosophical views, then it also sufficies to undermine your suggestion that the observation "everybody is different" has any true and significant implications.

I've told classes that "Were I not a Christian I might be a Confucian." Reason: the cardinal virtue in Confucianism, "Jen" (pronounced "wren") is "the love of humanity. Confucius actually taught that we flourish insofar as we learn to love other people.
I wholehearetedly agree. I just think that Jesus offered better reasons for thinking this is so.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 12:19pm.

Some on here will say they can't make any sense out of what you say, but I say they are just unfortunate in that they have been told what to understand by the secret society, masterminded by Limberger, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter, Novak (most of the time), Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, last three Chairmen of Joint Staff, last 14 Generals in charge in Iraq, and that lieing bunch we put in as leaders in Iraq and Northern Iraq---know here as our Alabama. Jersey would be a close second!
It were rail clare tuh me! I know whut ya sed. Yer rite.
Jest keep hit up and weuns kin clair em out of powr Novembr after nex!

Submitted by ConfushaSay on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 9:12pm.

ConfushaSay du WedNek confused ya'll?

More quotes for you dowwaraday.

"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance".
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"When a man's knowledge is sufficient to attain, and his virtue is not sufficient to enable him to hold, whatever he may have gained he will lose again".

Tuh ma wat ya tink? In the main time, got to go eat. Dudyedyit?

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Wed, 08/01/2007 - 7:56am.

I don't have none of ignorance! Not to know enyway!
Dudyedit? Whut means?

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Submitted by TonyF on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 8:51am.

"a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down, the medicine go down, the medicine go down"
M. Poppins
(try to say it without singing it)

"The memories of a man in his old age, are the deeds of a man in his prime.You shuffle in the gloom of the sick room,and talk to yourself as you die."
(R. Waters)


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 12:22pm.

Yeah, that's what the administration has been giving us for six years now, but it doesn't go down in a delightful way!

Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 07/31/2007 - 12:22pm.

Yeah, that's what the administration has been giving us for six years now, but it doesn't go down in a delightful way!

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