Home field advantage

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Not that I mind when Turner Field turns into Fenway South (though it didn't help much last night), but I have been to other Braves games where the out of town fans take over (Cubs, Mets, etc.)

What is it that prevents Turner Field from being an all Braves fans venue - all the time?

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Submitted by Ptcisajoke on Sun, 06/24/2007 - 11:16pm.

There is nothing better then a lovely day out to a game with the family ! Go BRAVES!

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 9:47am.

Boylan asks: “What is it that prevents Turner Field from being an all Braves fans venue - all the time?” Because baseball is a second class sport in Atlanta and also because Atlanta has had many people move here from all over America. Baseball in Boston is what SEC football is to the South. Boston/NY in baseball is equivalent to Alabama/Auburn in college football. During the 2003 ALCS with NY at Fenway, scalpers got $100.00 for parking spaces. Here in the South, people will donate organs for tix to the Iron Bowl. Just different priorities. The Braves, winning all those Division titles and one World Series, are kind of like the Patriots winning Super Bowls---- they both still get treated like second class franchises. Think about it--- who is Boston more angry at--- Vinateri or Damon? Dollar is right about the expense of the park. But the real money is not at the park---- its the television, radio and the internet. Boston is America’s 25th largest city, with the smallest park and yet they have the second biggest baseball market in America. There are a number of cities bigger than Boston that have much smaller markets. Why? Because Sox fans are mental. Last year was cool because the Sox fans did take over Turner. We sat in those funky field level seats down by the visitors pen. It was bizarre when Papelbon came on in the 9th and it felt like you were at Fenway with all the noise.

I love the Braves. I love the Sox. I really like Hudson and I really like Beckett. I'll try not to boo Rentawreck. When it gets rained out tonight, I’ll see you tomorrow at the doubleheader.


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Submitted by Michael Boylan on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 10:18am.

Seriously?? Wouldn't you rather have him than Lugo?


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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 10:33am.

I thought I was pretty clear about Lugo--- I would take Boylan or Mike Hampton over Lugo. But there is no way I would want Rentawreck back.....Tony LaRussa quietly warned Francona that Edgar would get devoured in Boston and he was. Edgar's happy in Atlanta. Its hot and humid. You can make six errors in an inning and the local papers put it on page 12. Giving Nomar a graceful sendoff was ok with me. I would have been happy keeping Cabrera (too much $$$$ ? ) or Gonzalez. Gonzales in particular because he might have been the best defensive SS in Sox history. The Burleson fans were too afraid of that happening.


Submitted by McDonoughDawg on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 10:43am.

Of the Boston SS compared to the Braves SS, and then say with a straight face that the Boston guy is better.

I agree, some players aren't a good fit in places, but saying he makes 6 errors an inning just rings of jealousy.

Oh yeah, Schilling looked great last night too.

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Submitted by cogitoergofay on Wed, 06/20/2007 - 9:58am.

Dawg and Mike want stats….OK…First, let’s remember the question: Would the Red Sox be better off with Edgar Renteria or Julio Lugo? Or, why wouldn't the Sox want to replace slumping Lugo with Edgar. Because they can do better than either. The question is not whether or not Edgar is a great player. Hall of Fame, Mike? I don’t think so. He will have 2,000 hits, he will have a career high 200’s average and he has generally been a high quality defensive shortstop BUT with some big lapses (i.e., twice in St. Louis, once in Boston). He ranks high in hitting in to double plays (4th and 6th in the league two years) and he gets caught stealing a lot (1st, 2nd and 3rd for 3 seasons). He has been an All-Star twice. Asking if you want Renteria is like asking which Britney Spears do you want—the lovable little girl from Disney or the drunken trollop of late? Renteria has had brilliant seasons and erratic ones. This year, hey, sure, I would want a shortstop that is hitting .330 and on track to have 15 errors total and a .975 fielding percentage, which is want Edgar has now. But that is not always the Edgar we have seen and certainly not the one in Boston. In 2005 he batted a whopping 60 points lower and he committed 30 errors. Consider that—1 error every 5 games. He made E-Rod look good. So, my point is that Edgar is a good fit with Atlanta but was not with Boston.

Boylan at short.


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Submitted by Michael Boylan on Wed, 06/20/2007 - 10:56am.

He'll have 2,000 hits by May of next year and he'll be 31 (I think) there is nothing to suggest that he won't play for many more years after that.

And I believe he will be a career .300 hitter with All-Star appearances and at least one World Series ring (already has it).


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Submitted by Michael Boylan on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 2:19pm.

Renteria has five errors this season - not too shabby. Lugo has nine.
Meanwhile he is hitting .205 and Edgar is at a sweet .330.

I do agree that Boston is a harsh place to play though and Renteria isn't necessarily suited to play in that glare. He is on pace to be a Hall of Famer though and if he gets it in a Braves cap that is fine with me.


Submitted by dollaradayandfound on Tue, 06/19/2007 - 9:06am.

Kinda like saying military-intelligence!
Atlanta proper only has about 400,000 total people---maybe 150,000 eligible to go to several ball games per year. Most of those 150 k have little interest in a baseball game.
There are enough people in the suburbs to fill the staduim occasionally, however one must plan on two hours to get there and maybe two hours to get home, plus three hours for play. Seven hours is hard to come by very often!
Additionally, many people from Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia, and Alabama used to come. Hardly any, any more due to the current costs and time required.
Besides, who wants to pay $15.00 a head for something to eat and drink---if you are on a diet.
Now, let's talk about player loyalty and owner loyalty. There is none! Players and owners resemble traveling salesmen.
Chicago and New York are different. Many can walk to the game and there are a lot more of them. The town also likes their teams. Do they here?
Atlanta sells way too many good seats for season tickets to those who can afford them. They don't go half of the time. Who wants to pay $16.00 for a nose bleed and telescope day?

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