I just realized who Mrs. Pena is when you stated her previous name was Mrs. Velasco, eggbeater! Oh, wow. NOW I remember the story and the parties involved. I didn't realize Velasco and Pena were one in the same. I recall the example this set for the students at McIntosh when this happened. Lovely, wasn't it? I'm not one for character assasinations, but what you have stated here is true. I think everyone makes mistakes, and from what I've heard, there are several parents at Whitewater that do think she is doing a great job there. I'm just curious whether or not the FCBOE has a policy in place in order to handle an administrator facing DUI charges.

Oh my gosh! Denise Conner and Gump are now going to accuse you of being me in disguise! Gump will NOT allow you to say anything about Ms. 'hic' Pena/Velasco without giving specific names, times, dates, video, and all to his glorious satisfaction. Stand firm Emmyjune, the wrath of gump could be coming your way!

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Mixer yesterday:
>Perhaps you will now realize that, despite "Gump"'s moniker being perfect for him, I am not talking about him, or to him. He doesn't deserve my attention and owes me several apologies.

Mixer today:
>Denise Conner and Gump are now going to accuse you of being me in disguise! Gump will NOT allow you to say anything about Ms. 'hic' Pena/Velasco without giving specific names, times, dates, video, and all to his glorious satisfaction. Stand firm Emmyjune, the wrath of gump could be coming your way!

Now who is the liar? Mixer, I have no doubt that Emmyjune is NOT you. For one thing, she has been on this website longer than I have. For another, the tone of what she posted is that she is reporting the truth as she knows it, unlike your ranting. I have no issues with what she said. The issue that I have with you is that you have taken great pleasure in kicking somebody repeatedly and viciously, while they are already down. That's not what I consider to be gentlemanly, or even manly. Your style is all about attacking people personally. I thought that the rules of use of this website were to avoid personal attacks on private persons, but you seem to be getting away with it.

The good news for you is that most of us have more going on in our lives than you apparently do. You can spend all day attacking everything I say, and Hack, and Denise, and anybody else you perceive as an opponent, but I don't have the time to spend countering all your furious rants. So I won't. I'm hoping that other people can see through your words to the character of the person behind them.

By the way, whatever happened to Enigma, your previous tag-team buddy? Is Maximus the new Enigma? Just asking.
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Denise: here is why the hypocrisy bothers me:

I was accused falsely of “Character Assassination” and “Cheap Shots” and “hiding behind vicious rumors” by a local dolt who fancies himself a ‘teacher’, GUMP.

Yet – not one single comment was made about the following blogs that substantiated every single ‘rumor’ that I had clearly defined as such in a previous blog:

Emmyjune – substantiates eggbeaters assertion that Pena is a ‘bad role model’ and has a reputation of partying, adultery, and allowing under-aged drinking.
http://www.thecitizen.com/node/17794#comment-38300

Eggbeater - asserts that Pena is a ‘bad role model’ and has a reputation of partying, adultery, and allowing under-aged drinking, even of her own 15 year old daughter.
http://www.thecitizen.com/node/17794#comment-37990

(GUMP then gumpishly accuses me of being 'eggbeater' but refuses to admit he is wrong or take the bet)

howdoyoulikemenow – A Whitewater parent rightfully points out Pena's drunkenness creates confusion and a poor role model and demonstrates hypocrisy to her son.
http://www.thecitizen.com/node/17794#comment-37540

megro: - ”Nowhere did I try to tell you that I have never seen her drink alcoholic beverages; I'm not quite sure why that faulty inference would be the only one you were able to make.” {{She, megro, a former student, admits she has seen her drink as well.}

http://www.thecitizen.com/node/17794#comment-37301

More from megro and the usual liberal mantra:

"A young person can just as easily, and possibly more effectively, learn a valuable lesson from a poor example as he can from a shining one," {{They certainly can if she is fired or faces a severe consequence.}}

Denise Conner – Realizes and attempts to prove Ms. Pena lied (or her husband did) when she said she had “three glasses of wine” in over four hours. http://www.thecitizen.com/node/17794#comment-37879

Yet, despite having my mother dragged in to this guttural spew, I have yet to hear an apology or admittance that the moron was, as usual, wrong and that I was not guilty of character assassination, that I am not eggbeater, that he should leave my family members out of his personal attacks or that it is hypocritical to attack me and ignore all of this other evidence.

Lying and hypocrisy are my two pet peeves Denise. The arrogant buffoon in the tightly whiteys, AKA: "GUMP", has yet to do anything other than prove he is replete with both lies and hypocrisy and continue to throw more fuel on the fire.

What say you Denise?

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Y'know, I told myself I wasn't going to get involved here, but you are making quite a donkey out of yourself, Mix.

The simple fact of the matter is, you came here spewing UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS a day or so after Ms. Pena got popped for CUI. At BEST, that's you being a gossip, at WORST it's character assassination.

You offered NOTHING to substantiate your charges. ("Everybody knows" isn't evidence).

You got beat up pretty thoroughly by Gump and Denise...and lo and behold, somebody with a username that is synonymous to yours magically registers and "corroborates" your story. How convenient. He/She/It/They haven't posted since. Now then, I am not going to accuse you of being "eggbeater" but the whole thing smells to high heaven. (BTW, a quick read of "rate my teachers" dot com disproves eggy's contention that Ms. Pena was not well liked or respected).

Additionally, a careful reading of emmyjune's post seems to me she heard about the Pena/Velasco maritial issues, something that was never brought up until much later....I don't believe (I could be wrong) that emmyjune was backing up your drinking accusastions. BTW, I don't know if you know this but it is legal for parents to serve their own children alcohol within their own home.

Please show me EXACTLY where Gump took issue with your deceased mother. I cannot seem to locate anything vaguely accusatory coming from Gump, it's not his style.

Finally, your threat to go to Gump's employer over a disagreement you had with him on the internet is a violation of the rules of this site....and exceedingly childish as well, in my opinion. I sincerely hope you don't get banned for this, as conservatives who are able to string together two consecutive coherent sentences are at a premium on this site.

I won't play Pop Psychologist here, but you have had some serious anger-related issues for the past couple of weeks, lashing out in all directions. I'm not being faceitious here: maybe you should seek medical health.

P.S. Are you going to own up to the fact that you are related to Enigma now? I know you swore to God he wasn't an alias of you, I didn't think to ask if you two were related.

While I was at my mother's funeral this was "GUMP's" post "Your mama would be SO proud." This was after he accused me of being this 'eggbeater'. If you go back and look, you will see I went out of my way to never say her maiden, err, previous, name. Yet, here 'eggbeater' is, a former student and all of a sudden Pena's previous name and the allegations of her daughter drinking at home (which I had not heard)come to light and it somehow must be me. (Do you too want to take the bet I offered him? I stand by the bet with anyone here at anytime. Gee, basmati is Asian rice, eggbeater is used to make Chinese rice - could you? Naw, I won't go there. Hey, Forest Gump made gumbo, gumbo is shrimp and rice, maybe you are Gump??? Twisted logic bas. Take the bet or take my word - I am not and never was 'eggbeater'.)

Now, about the allegations you call baseless and unfounded- not true bas. All of the allegations were HIGHLY credible, but I agreed not to reveal my sources so I called them 'rumors'. They have since been brought to light by others. You should challenge them - not me - if you want to know more. Everything I said was, and is, true.

By the way, if you look, your reference to rate your teacher.com is not such a great argument on her behalf. Her last two ratings while she was at McIntosh were bad and the last one she got as a teacher was the lowest you can get - although I never said she was a bad teacher - just a bad role model.

Now, you are fixated on Enigma, again.

No, we are not related by blood. Enigma is, luckily for me, a supremely qualified person to deal with some of the financial matters that are currently a part of my mother's estate settlement.

Thanks to the US government, his work could mean an early retirement for me or a debt that I will have to carry or something in between and he is working with my brother in Ohio on contingency.

Enigma can tell you about Enigma. I have known him for a long time and he was with me in Vegas when I got the call last week.

Enough- believe what you want bas. You have always been consistent and I still consider you my favorite liberal. Unlike Gump and Denise, you have always been what you are and I respect that.

By the way, with what you have said to and about Army Major and Denise - give me a break bas - I have not even come close to some of your rants and you know it.

Know this, I did not lie, not once, EVER. I called solid information 'rumor' to protect my sources. The information I gave has all since been substantiated. I am not now, nor have I ever been a phony, a liar, or a hypocrite.

I am not Enigma, Maximus, eggbeater, Git_Real, or anyone else on here. I am just Mixer.

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Why not take the bet Gumpy?

Where's your apologies?

YOU "GUMP" are the only person here I dislike and visa versa. Just YOU "GUMP".

When you apologize, we can move forward, until then, you are just another government dependent liar who defends bad teachers.

Take the million dollar challenge GUMP.

Tell you what, since you cannot stop talking about Enigma (who is in Ohio with the rest of family right now litigating the estate) and think Maximus is him - I'll offer the same bet with you for Maximus and Enigma - a cool million tighty whitey..... they do not know each other and are not the same person - what do you say GUMP? You a liar about that too, or man enough to take the bet?

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Besides, I was trying to imply that perhaps Maximus was replacing Enigma, not necessarily that they were the same person. Maximus has a somewhat different writing style than Enigma. I read your explanation to Basmati, so I won't ask you if Enigma is your brother. (That was my first thought when you said he was in Ohio settling the estate.)

Look, this whole thing has gone on too long. I introduced the "suspicion" about you and Enigma to give you a taste of your own medicine in terms of rumor-mongering. I never thought you were gay. I have no idea if Eggbeater is a real person or not, but it's a moot point, since other people have made similar comments. I don't know if any of it is true, since I wasn't around at that time. But dredging it up at this point is just kicking somebody when they are down. I don't know why it was so important for you to drive a stake through her heart. That's what prompted me to say "Your mother would be so proud." Of course I had no idea that your mother had passed on, or I never would have said that. I deeply regret the timing of that remark, and I apologize for it.

You can accept that apology, or you can treat it as a sign of weakness--it's up to you.
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It was good to hear from a former student of Ms. Pena's. I wish we could hear from more of you out there. Thank you for speaking up. I would encourage any other students who feel they should comment to do the same regardless of the stance you may have.

I warn you ahead of time that there are a few idiots that will attempt to make your informative blog out to be 'character assassination', 'cheap shots', and a host of baseless garbage since you have a moniker (as well you should online and they will also) and do not specifically name people's names and sources, dates and times to their own personal satisfaction.

Ignore them - they are hypocrites and dolts.

Again, thanks for your informative comments.

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Oh and good to hear from you. I was beginning to think you were sulking. I like the touch of your "moral support" being a fictitious McIntosh student named "eggbeater". Eggbeater, mixer, it's all the same. Well, keep up the "good" work! Your mama would be SO proud.
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Put your money where your mouth is Gumpy.

You are a liar and I challenge you to a bet that will prove it.

You wrote that: "I like the touch of your "moral support" being a fictitious McIntosh student named "eggbeater". Eggbeater, mixer, it's all the same. Well, keep up the "good" work! Your mama would be SO proud."

I'll bet my house against yours, or any amount of cash you choose from 10k (minimum) to 1 Million dollars - that:

2) That I do not know the user known as 'eggbeater' nor have I ever had a conversation with 'eggbeater' other than my reply to the blog here you read.

What about it 'GUMP' are you a liar or do you want to bet?

Cal Beverly and Scott Ballard can pull any and all information necessary to provide evidence as to your identity and mine, and broker the deal. He can post the bet (if you are man enough to take it), your name and mine, and any and all information and most importantly the results that will prove you are wrong and I am right.

As an incentive to the user known as ‘eggbeater’, I will split to proceeds with him/her although ‘eggbeater’s’ identity does not have to be revealed by Cal and any lawyer and notary that will confirm and witness the results.

We can use this forum to prove your assertion that I am 'eggbeater' is a lie and incorrect (as usual).

By the way 'GUMP', not that it’s any of your concern, I was gone to my mother’s funeral and did not take time to comment. She passed away while I was in Vegas and was buried in Ohio Sunday. Smooth Gump, real classy move.

You are a liar GUMP, you talk freely about people’s mothers and make up false allegations against people. YOU, Gump, are the one who commits character assassination. I look forward to the response from your Personnel Director when they receive my letter regarding your public behavior. You are a poor example of what a teacher should be.

If your kids or grandkids die soon, I will be sure and comment on them when you are at the funeral. Life is ironic – don’t be surprised when you pay ten fold for your lies and personal attacks.

I know your Principal and have for years. I look forward to sharing my letter outlining your public behavior online, rabid defense of a drunk cohort, personal attacks on me and your comments about my deceased mother with your Personnel Director and your Principal.

Tell us again 'GUMP', how you are a 'teacher' in Fayette County, a 'professional', an example of behavior and a model of maturity for kids?

How very sad and pathetic you are.

Take the bet GUMP - be a man - stop hiding behind lies - admit you are wrong and apologize or take the bet. I would love to use your house as rental property or use your retirement cash for my nsue you for defamation, slander and liable.

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Never mind. Can't we all just get along?

So sorry to hear about your mother. Remember the happy and good times.

That's good advice. Thanks for the kind words. Keep blogging, we need you common sense here.

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Mixer, I'm sorry to hear your mom passed. I hardly know what to say other than to pray for your peace and comfort at this time in your life.

It's a good reminder to all of us to be kind in our advocacy. We never know what any blogger is dealing with in real life.

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If you and I are always in agreement, one of us is likely armed and dangerous.

I appreciate your kind words and good advice.

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I am very sorry that your mother passed away and my condolences to you and your family. Treasure the memories.

Losing a parent made me stop and think once again how very short life really is and how insignificant disagreements are in the long-run. It is hard to hold onto that perspective with the busyness of life.

My condolences also for the loss of your mother, remember the good times.

I yam what I yam...Popeye

Good to see you again- so to speak. Good days and bad - just a lot of reflection right now on both my life and my mom's life.

Thanks bud.

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So sorry to hear about your loss, Mixer. My sincerest condolences go out to you, Mrs. Mixer, and your family.

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Tell Senior El Presidente no to amnesty!

We will get through it as a family. I appreciate your kind words.

Love the avatar by the way.

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I am so very sorry for your loss.

Please accept my deepest sympathy.

Tug

You are very kind and I appreciate you. God bless your sweet soul

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Pretty vicious. Guess I missed what provoked this public threat of letters to employers, etc.

Pretty vicious. Guess I missed what provoked this public threat of letters to employers, etc.

I chaperoned an over night school trip with her & guess what…. Nothing happened.

Both my kids were at McIntosh & think well of her.

You're starting to sound like Basmati with your insults. I was hoping that your vacation would improve your mood, but I can see that it didn't.

People who express disagreement (which you call "baseless garbage") with one of your posts are now "hypocrites and dolts" and "idiots"???

Remember, you once said, “I'll let Denise respond- she's a lot smarter than I am!”

As you reminded another blogger, “What has happened to you? When did you become so emotive and angry, And toward Denise no less. '...you, like she, do not have a decent respect to the opinions of mankind.' Come on man- pull it together!”

Denise and Jeff: The Long List

Denise - you are soooo right! Excellent blog - again.

Seems that I recognize a few of "the tactics liberals employ" in your responses to me lately.

Mixer to Denise: "Regardless, you have mastered the ability to disassemble the emotive and accusatory diatribe of the left and your blogs are a pleasure to read." -- I'm still the same person. Are you?

Great Blog Denise.

Mixer to Denise: "You are a very intelligent and excellent writer with a broad base of knowledge."

"We all get a little frustrated sometimes and say things we shouldn't." -- Agreed. So, are you willing to stop insulting me?

BTW, I'm Denise Conner, not Gump. He can speak for himself. Are you now Mixer Basmati (Most Angry & Vicious)?

You seem so moody! You have yet to find anything I have said to be inaccurate - not one single statement. And now, Gump has, yet again lied, (see million dollar bet) and you are attacking me personally while he talks about my recently deceased mother? You two are quite the pair Denise.

I won't address unrelated blogs because I assume that you realize that just because you were correct in the past does not mean you are always right Denise. Perhaps you can get back on the 'right' path.

You were wrong when you supported Gump in calling my blog 'character assassination', 'cheap shots', etc. and you are wrong now. You're slipping Denise.

Would you like the same bet I have offered 'Gump'? You can choose; either 'Gump' is a liar and was wrong about me being 'eggbeater' or I am lying.

I am willing to put my money where my mouth is - what about you?

Why is that important?

Because, Denise,'Gump' (and you) did not attack 'eggbeater's' blog as 'character assassination, cheap shots, etc. as you did mine.

That means to me that 'Gump' obviously lied and claimed I am 'eggbeater' because if 'eggbeater' is indeed telling the truth and is a former student then everything in my previous blog that was attacked as 'Character Assassination, Cheap Shots, etc. was entirely accurate and has now been entirely substantiated and was therefore not the 'character assassination' and a 'cheap shot' you and 'Gump' claimed it to be.

After all, the only rumor that was left 'unsubstantiated' was her partying and dealing with underage and former students inappropriately which has now been reported and substantiated by 'eggbeater'.

As for the ridiculous "she can be a better teacher about alcohol problems' argument, try this lesson on for size: Son returning from first day of school back at WHS: "Mom, Ms. Pena is gone! She was fired and lost her job for drinking and driving this summer" "Jeepers Mom, it's bad to drink and drive, huh?". Duh.

By the way, I see you too had to defend the number of drinks/time statement. Liberals hate personal accountability Denise. That's why I warned 'eggbeater' about the attacks that could well be coming his/her way from the liberal mindset like you and 'Gump' displayed regarding my previous highly accurate blog.

I am indeed grown Denise and I don't approve of what teachers (like Gump) and administrators (Like Pena) represent and model to the children of this county (or any other).

I am surprised you do with you being a self-described 'conservative' and all.

Like I said - Basmati is consistent, I respect him for that. You chose 'Gump's' side and view and both of you are now proven wrong. Call me what you wish.

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Parents of WHS student duis = 3 in past year, but only 1 conviction.

I didn't act like it wuz a suspise!

I thought it wuz uh sham too!

I talked to my children about dui but they thought I meant influence of me.

As to what "manor" they acted in, I don't know. Their manners have always been bad.

Impairment Begins Long Before You Are Legally Drunk

It's not a question of whether you are legally intoxicated; it's a question of whether or not it is safe to drive when you have consumed any amount of alcohol. Research shows that impairment begins long before a person reaches the blood alcohol concentration level necessary to be guilty of drunken driving.

A 120-pound woman can reach a .08 BAC level after only two drinks and a 180-pound man can be at .08 after only four drinks.

A "drink" is either one shot of liquor, a five-ounce glass of wine or one beer, all of which contain the same amount of alcohol.

At a .08 BAC level, drivers are so impaired that they are 11 times more likely to have a single-vehicle crash than drivers with no alcohol in their system. [Mrs. Pina "registered at .135 blood alcohol content (BAC) -- more than 1 and a half times the legal limit.]

But 25 years of research has shown that some impairment begins for both males and females even after one drink.

At the .05 BAC level, people begin to exhibit exaggerated behavior, experience loss of small-muscle control -- such as being able to focus their eyes quickly -- have impaired judgment, lowered alertness, and a release of inhibition [which can lead to quite a few other problems].

If someone with a BAC level of .05 gets behind the wheel, he would be operating the vehicle with reduced coordination, a further diminished ability to track moving objects, more difficulty in steering, and a markedly reduced response in emergency situations.

When someone drinking is approaching the borderline of legal intoxication, studies show that he or she has poor muscle coordination -- affecting balance, speech, vision, reaction time, and hearing -- find it more difficult to detect danger, and exhibit impaired judgment, self-control, reasoning ability, and memory.

A driver with a BAC of .08 will find it more difficult to concentrate, judge the speed of the vehicle, experience reduced information processing capability, and exhibit impaired perception.

For the person who is drinking, the above impairments may be hardly noticeable at the time, but the slow reaction times that they can produce could prove fatal in an emergency driving situation. That's why it is not a good idea to drive, no matter how much or how little that you have had to drink.

There is another consideration: Alcohol affects people differently. Some people have a higher response to drinking alcohol than others. In other words, people with a high response to alcohol can experience signs of impairment at the .02 BAC level that others do not experience until the .05 level.

A driver who has developed behavioral tolerance to driving a familiar car over a particular route under routine circumstances may drive without being involved in a crash, despite consumption of some alcohol.

However, when encountering a novel environment -- for example, a detour -- or an unexpected situation, such as a bicycle darting in front of the car, this same driver would be at the same risk for a crash as a novice driver at the same BAC, due to lack of prior learning opportunities for these unexpected events.

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I find it hard to believe that an educator has not encountered these facts frequently in the course of her job, and someone who drinks has the responsibility to find out, especially before driving.

According to an Alcohol Impairment Chart at the above site, to have a BAC of .135, the woman would weigh 140 lb. or less and had to have consumed 4 drinks in 1 hour (at least the way that I read it). Weighing 160 lb. would cause a BAC of .11, and weighing more would lower the BAC further. 3 drinks in 1 hour would yield .14 for a 100-pound woman, but I doubt a 50-year-old woman weighs so little (average weight is 155).

"When food is eaten in close proximity to drinking alcohol, it can substantially reduce the BAC from the level that would be reached if the alcohol were consumed on an empty stomach. Protein has the largest effect, and carbohydrates also are very effective. Fatty foods are relatively ineffective in any quantity."

This seems to indicate that this woman didn't even eat anything while drinking; or, if she did, then she had more to drink than 4 drinks in an hour. Her husband claims, "From 8:15-12:30 she consumed three glasses of wine."

According to an online BAC calculator, the reading would have been 0 (ZERO) under those conditions.

A 140-pound woman drinking 8 glasses of wine over 4 hours would yield .132 (less if she weighs more and/or had food).

110-lb. female having 4 Bloody Marys, Margaritas, or other liquor (because of higher alcohol content? -- 4 glasses of wine would yield .119) over a period of 1 hr. would yield .133, and weighing more lowers the BAC.

So, as others have also pointed out here, Mrs. Pina's BAC reading indicates a lot more alcohol consumed than 3 glasses over 4 hours or it was all consumed shortly before driving.

If these facts are accurate, then she was a lot more impaired than she admits (or maybe really believes) and she drinks more than she admits also. If someone doesn't know the effects of alcohol, then she shouldn't drink.

Your being very concerned is understandable because teens are impressionable, but you can educate your child yourself about drugs and driving (such as the information at the link above) because the school might not.

Hard to follow--toomanymistakes'
Is this DUI lady a Principal or a principle, or an assistant principal, or an assistant-vice-principal, or a deputy assistant vice temporary principal? Or what?
I was very tsking back, as you said, by your initial support of the lady, and then you don't feel no sorry or compassion for her!
Just let the law handle it please. Teachers and administrators, and town officials, get drunk every week in PTC and other places. Most are smart enough to stay out of trouble, however.

I understand and mostly concur. But you talk like she was drunk, she was .13.
.12 used to be the legal limit to drive a car. I agree with the present .08 when moving several thousand pounds at high rates of speed, but .13, for most people, is not drunk. Personally, at .13, which is about 3 or 3 1/2 beers in an hour for me, I can hardly tell I've drank anything, though some people I know fall down after one. Don't get me wrong now, I would not ever drive a car after more than one beer; Even though I hardly feel it, I know that it is still affecting my responses.
I am not saying what she did is okay at all, but keep some perspective.

I suppose perspective, as you say, means no bad mouthing, no punishment? Live and let live?

The rate of elimination in the average person is commonly estimated at .015 to .020 percent per hour.

Try this site: most first-time drinkers would be passed out by about 0.15 (She blew a .135)

Typical doses of alcohol actually saturate the enzymes' capacity, so that alcohol is removed from the bloodstream at an approximately constant rate.

Or try this one

Really, .15? Keep in mind that until the 90's, .12 was considered DUI.

Keep in mind that statistics about alcohol levels are an average and actually hold true for very few people. There are different ways to obtain the average depending on what you are trying to prove - mean, median, or mode. If the site you listed used the mean, that would mean that half the people experienced more than the effect listed, and, more importantly, half the people (50%) experiences less effects.

I can tell you that 5 beers would hardly put a swagger in my step. However, it REALLY depends on the person. Now, some people (your listed site would like you to think all) have a higher tolerance due to increasing it through heavy drinking, then there are others who are simply born with a higher tolerance. While it's true that environmental factors play a role in tolerance, so do genetics.

From this site:
http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec02/ch013/ch013b.html
"Differences in genetic (inherited) makeup among individuals affect what the body does to a drug and what the drug does to the body. The study of genetic differences in the response to drugs is called pharmacogenetics."
"Because of their genetic makeup, some people process (metabolize) drugs slowly; as a result, a drug may accumulate in the body, causing toxicity. Other people metabolize drugs so quickly that after they take a usual dose, drug levels in the blood never become high enough for the drug to be effective."

Me personally, even when I take allergy medicine, I have to take two or three times the normal dosage or it will not help me and that holds true for anything I put in my body. This is a little personal, but when I had my vasectomy my doctor told me, after administering three times the normal amount, that he simply could not give more anesthetic, I had reached the legal limit and was still in pain. It simply takes more for my body. It is genetic.

I do not endorse drinking and driving in any, and, unlike suggested by dollar, I do believe there should be repercussions. All I meant in my earlier post is that we should keep perspective, I don't think a hanging is in order, the lynch mob should stay home.

Vegas site

Ms. Pina is not gonna drink in the class room. But if she and her husband is a bar and grill on Friday (and/or Saturday) night, she can drink whatever she wants. Last I heard the legal limit is 21 years of age. And I am guessing Ms. Pina is over 21.

And again she was driving a GOLF CART not a Lexus, not a Cadillac, etc. There is much difference in the weight of the two vehicles.

You know I have had two (2) glasses of wine tonight. I may go in my backyard to let my dog out to pee and I may sit on mt golf cart to watch (not that I get off on watching my dog pee. I just want to make sure he does it (better outside than inside). You should call the PTC police? i am buzzed, sitting on my golf cart watching my dog pee.

Lastly, MIXER you are STUPID>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

There is much difference in the weight of the two vehicles, but it is still a vehicle and it can hurt someone seriously. There was a post on here just a couple of days ago by a young lady saying she had been runover by a golfcart several years ago and had to be life flighted due to her injuries. Driving under the influence should be considered a DUI no matter what you are driving, Lexus, John Deer, or Golf Cart. Hope your not driving your golf cart with a buzz while watching the dog pee, if you are that is really sad.

Because if I drive my golf cart around my lawn while my dog pees, he won't pee. Too many distractions. You know - golf cart, beer, round and round - it would confuse anyone.

Because if I drive my golf cart around my lawn while my dog pees, he won't pee. Too many distractions. You know - golf cart, beer, round and round - it would confuse anyone.

Because if I drive my golf cart around my lawn while my dog pees, he won't pee. Too many distractions. You know - golf cart, beer, round and round - it would confuse anyone.

My beef is with MIXER. Just because Ms. Pina drinks on the weekends (or any day) does not mean she's gonna drink in front of the high school children that she works with. I have a glass or two of wine at dinner on the week ends (maybe during the week) but I DO NOT BRING I GLASS in front of my co-workers. That is my point, not ht e size on the vehicle, although, a Cadillac will do more damage than a golf cart.

WANT TO COME OVER, SIT ON MY GOLF CART, WATCH MT DOG PEE? I will call you a cab, we will have a beer.

Sorry girl, didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.

I've already answered these questions, Mr. Prosecutor.

Am I now the accused? Oh well, I'll play along.

"Denise, would you drink alcohol in front of your student?"

No, sir, Your Honor, I would never drink alcohol in front of any minor. But I must disclose that I don't drink alcohol at all. (So much for anonymity.)

"Do you think Ms. Pina can fairly suspend a child from school or send them to alternative school by Ms. Pina for drinking at school?"

Yes, Mrs. Pina could enforce rules that she does not follow herself. Her authority would probably not be respected. She would not be a good example, though.

"And please don't assume that 'things' haven't been reported before by students and parents to other administrators since you have no idea either way."

I stand corrected, Your Honor.

"In the interest of full discloser, I am not, nor is any member of my immediate family, a teacher. Can you say the same?"

I am not, nor ever have been, employed by the Fayette County School System. My immediate family is not employed by the Fayette County School System. (But if either you or I were, how would that affect the veracity of our arguments?)

"Also, I want to make sure everyone realizes YOU introduced sex in to this discussion."

I ask Your Honor to please re-read my previous statements to Tug, especially the disclaimer.

Not quilty! Court adjourned!

Thank you, Your Honor.

Ms. Pina is over the age of 21. Where does it say that Teachers, School Admin, Police Officers, Firefighters (etc) should refrain from any type of alcohol because they are to be "Role Models"?

They are adults. What if it were impossed that all fathers and mothers should ever drink? That is STUPID. Would you like to put booze in the same category as illegal drugs? Then contact your Congress. And don't be a smart a** and talk about my spelling, cause I could really give dooky.

In fact, learn ENGLISH and then someone might consider all of you "smart" instead of your most prominent part! You seem to have mastered gutter talk.

What is "impossed"? "Dooky"? I don't think I want to know.

Where did I say, "Teachers, School Admin, Police Officers, Firefighters (etc) should refrain from any type of alcohol because they are to be 'Role Models'" [sic]?

It sounds like you've had more than "two (2) glasses of wine tonight" since you're so combative and have slurred typing. Had anything else with that wine? Crack? Meth? Just go to bed and sleep it off. Don't take your anger out on your dog either.

It's Friday night; so I hope that, if you drive your car or golf cart, you'll be picked up before you hurt anyone. Do you have road rage frequently?

You posted "Not really" 3 times and should remove the 2 extra. Removing all 3 posts would NOT "confuse anyone" because your thinking goes "round and round" in circles.

Read all of the posts here and the ones with the news story so that you'll know what you're talking about BEFORE you shoot off your mouth.

THINK FIRST and speak (type) little. Then you won't be quite so "STUPID"!

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Out! Out! You demons of stupidity!

LEARN TO GROW UP, Denise. The world does not revolve around you.

I do not take any type of drug. My company (a Fortune 100 company) where I am employed, we take drug tests. Can you pass one Bit**?

Actually, I have had nothing to drink. But I should because I have to deal with MF's like you.

You are so stupid. I hope you do not have children because they could get STUPIDTY from you.

I only quoted your own words: "two (2) glasses of wine tonight."

So now you admit that you're a liar as well as profane?

Learn to improve your vocabulary so that you can discuss issues without calling "stupid."

Go sleep off your drunkenness.

You so try to start something. WHAT'S WRONG WITH STUPID. DOES IT OFFEND YOU? ARE YOU RETARDED? That could be your only excuse. You are ignorate? Is that a big enough word for you? Or is it too big?

You try to blame my insults on "drunkness". IF I WERE TO BE DRUNK, I WILL SOBER UP, BUT YOU WILL ALWAYS BE FAT AND STUPID.................

Gee Ms Canner, are we still beating this dead horse? I thought the Asst. Principal had undergone enough public beating for having an extra drink. What a dumb society we are!

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Making you think twice......

I only responded to 000-Trash-girl's attack. But read another post that I'll respond to soon to find out how ignorant your "extra drink" statement is. Mixer has already pointed out that it's impossible to yield a .135 BAC with the amount and time that Mrs. Pina said happened.

Hopefully, you don't drink and drive. You've called us a "dumb society" for caring about the people who die or are injured from the resulting wrecks. The wrecks don't kill horses.

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Out! Out! You demons of stupidity!

Why are your blurbs and many others today unreadable---they are referred to the first Pena article written---not to your message?

Thought you'd like to know that "Uriah Heep", "Stealin'" is whats on.

Respuesta justa la pregunta sobre este sitio. ¿Qué usted haría en este caso? ¿Usted está intentando decirnos que usted nunca ha visto su bebida las bebidas alcohólicas? En cuanto a la predicación, déjela con la iglesia.
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Just answer the question on this site if you wish. We had a mess on the previous site from all the 'sidetracks' and it destroyed a legitimate topic and worthwhile question. What would you do in this case? Are you trying to tell us you have never seen her drink alcoholic beverages? As for the preaching, please, leave it with the church.
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I hope you realize that if Ms. Pina and Mr. Pina had not written letters and blogs this would have been long over. Her failure to take responsibility and to be honest about how much she drank Saturday appears to have hurt her cause.

((P.S. Can you help me to understand why a teenager calls a 50 year old "Ms. Mary Ann" instead of Ms. V---0, or Ms. Pina?))
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AGAIN: topic of this blog is - "what if anything, blah, blah, blah" Care to comment?
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Excuses are definitely necessary.

I apologize for posting in the "wrong" area of the website. However, certainly one reading my entry would be able to infer my standpoint based on the text. If the overall tone did not hint to my position, phrases such as "is no surprise to me that she has managed to reach such a prestigious level in her career," "A young person can just as easily, and possibly more effectively, learn a valuable lesson from a poor example as he can from a shining one," and "A single, albeit serious, mistake does not redefine a persons entire character," must lead to the conclusion that I believe Ms. Pina to be a fully capable professional who (although she made a poor decision) should be allowed to maintain her current occupation. I believe that the mistake could also help students see the negative repercussions of such actions.
Nowhere did I try to tell you that I have never seen her drink alcoholic beverages; I'm not quite sure why that faulty inference would be the only one you were able to make. I was also unaware that your haughty blogs were completely legitamate, but mine was simply misplaced preaching. Again, my apologies.
I hope YOU realize that the Pina's were writing in response to the many people that have written about them, and that they have just as much right to do so as anyother person.
Please let me know if there is anything else you need cleared up or spelled out for you, as I would be happy to accomodate.

(P.S. As a college sophomore, not a 14 year-old, and personal friend of the family, I have worked up to the place where addressing her as "Mrs. Mary Ann" carries the same amount of due respect as "Mrs. Pina" or anyother more formal title. Hope that helps).

Right website by the way - citizen.com is where Mary Ann Pina first blogged on this topic before most of us had seen the article.

"A young person can just as easily, and possibly more effectively, learn a valuable lesson from a poor example as he can from a shining one," and "A single, albeit serious, mistake does not redefine a persons entire character," must lead to the conclusion that I believe Ms. Pina to be a fully capable professional who (although she made a poor decision) should be allowed to maintain her current occupation.

Interesting defense.

(I have no doubt that you have gleaned volumes of knowledge from Bill Clinton and George W. Bush.)

As a leader of both teachers and children, do you not feel there are things that would justify the removal of an administrator? Perhaps giving the 'next in line' an opportunity to be a better role model?

You see, your logic escapes me, what, if anything, would a teacher or administrator have to do to justify his or her removal? After all, "A young person can just as easily, and possibly more effectively, learn a valuable lesson from a poor example as he can from a shining one," Perhaps you will feel that 'bad parents make good kids' since they can learn more from 'poor examples' than "shining ones" - but my opinion, in the nature/nurture argument is that we should model the behavior that we hope to see in others - especially young people developing a social conscience like middle school, high school and some college age children.

You seem to have the same lofty attitude as your mentor, Ms Pina, she too felt like explanations are 'beneath' her and yet - she posted well before nearly any other blogger about 'who she was' and how she was treated unfairly and that "we should think about all the times it could have been us" (you may wish to go look for yourself). Personally, as a non-drinker, she offended me.

As for your statement: "Nowhere did I try to tell you that I have never seen her drink alcoholic beverages; I'm not quite sure why that faulty inference would be the only one you were able to make." I used it to draw out whether you had seen her drink - you admit that you have by saying me thinking you have not is incorrect.

That now allows me to say this to you (using your logic of course):

I suppose since you have seen her drink(and you probably are not yet of legal age to drink yourself unless you are behind) you would know that drinking can lead to problems and therefore not break any laws by drinking under age, or by drinking with anyone underage yourself - correct?

By the way, using your logic of course, what are the consequences that these students will see for Ms. Pina?

Oh, you can post anywhere you wish - I was just trying to explain that this is just ONE of two large threads on this topic. You should read them all since you are 'out for the summer'.

Again, welcome to the boards.

If WWII had been covered by the Modern Media: Great Video

"If this were a 20something teen that would be one thing. A 50 year old woman is all together another issue."

As the great philosopher Tina Turner once said..
Whooooa-oh, What's age got to do, got to do with it?
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Look at my avatar. Does that look like a "human being" to you?

I suppose I am the only one one who actually sees the irony in your quote "What's age got to do with it" juxtaposed to a picture of a zygote while the question is being asked "Does that look like a 'human being' to you"? That's heavy duty irony.

Update: Mixer is up at least a grand, I am down about $350, Mark is down about $300.would tell you that I have better judgment at 50 than I had at 18 or 21 but saying that from Vegas might be a little ironic too! Ha!

I see you guys on the Palm Treo from the Ruth's Chris' Steakhouse in Las Vegas - how cool is that.

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Just move em around, don't keep them and correct em. Give em to someone else! Like the COO of Atlanta was moved to Homeland Security recently, and Monica's husband was moved to dog catcher or something---same salary!
Don't people learn anymore?

What you aren't understanding is that we all are faulty and commit many errors---some of them are illegal, but most aren't caught by the law.
Therefore, all that is needed when one messes up is to have one excuse after another for the transgression. This can range from: I've never done that before (meaning I wasn't caught), to: everyone else does it, why am I to be the only one punished?
Why do we hang some murderers but not all of them? Some have better excuses than others! Some aren't caught.
One other very important thing if you are a transgressor and get caught: never ever admit you did it--that is a sure way to be hanged. What does he expect me to do?--he said he was guilty, didn't he---hang him! What would have happened to O.J. if he had said in court--I did it judge, I cut her throat. Please have mercy, she deserved it.
Well, what is your guess about the sentence?

All of us are faulty. Read my comments again. I said, everyone makes mistakes, but you reap what you sow.

I answered mixers question. I stand by my comments. I will not comment on that subject anymore.

As for O.J. Simpson, I get sick to my stomach everytime I see his face. In my opinion, he got away with murder. Being a christian, I believe he will pay in the end.

I hope you had a great Fathers Day.

Tug

Years ago, an experiment was done. People were hired and their was to help in interrogations. They were put in front computer panel and their job was to administer a shock to the accused whenever they were told to do so. As the experiment progressed, they were made to increase the level of the shock as the accused refused to cooperate.
They study found that nine out of ten people were willing to go all the way up to killing the accused if told to do so by someone they believed to be an authority figure. That's scary, nine out of ten people will kill you if someone in authority says to.
Just how many murderers are there?

You are talking about "Obedience to Authority, The experiment by Stanley Milgram".

You can google it or find a synopsis of it by clicking here.

By the way, you are wrong about the statistics from his study.

(You are also wrong about the blood alcohol information you cited.)

Update: Mixer is up a ton at the tables (but at least he's sunburned). Sometimes, I hate Mixer.

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Don't hate Mixer!
Sounds like you guys are having a great time.
Is myword_mark with you?

Have fun!
Tug

Tug13, if you are Bible believing Christian, then you must believe that we are ALL getting away with murder. In God's eyes, we have all sinned, and to God, all sins are equal - they are a transgression of His word. As it says, if you have hated your brother....., none are innocent....., your best attempts at good are as filthy rags (basically, maxipads). According to God's word, ALL of us, me included, deserve only one thing - death - all of us have committed murder (and you thought DUI was bad). It is only by grace, by mercy, that you and me both are not struck down right now and sent straight to hell.
Also, the Bible says to leave judgment to Him. I do not know if O.J. did it, I do not know whether or not O.J. has a relationship with God, but what I do know is that if he does have that relationship, then there is no sin to pay for in the end, he actually did not do it. Being a Christian, I will leave whether to pay or not in God's hands; Who am I to believe that he will pay for anything, when I deserve the same, or worse?
Also, being a Christian, I will not worry about what someone who might not be a Christian could do to me or my family. I could hardly call myself a Christian if believed that God was not capable of protecting us from any worldly killer. God does use worldly courts and many other other means to protect me. I have to believe, as a Christian, if I did come face to face with a killer, it would only be BY the will of God. For reference, just to look to Jesus or His disciples, they all came face to face with murderers. They were all murdered unjustly and, for every one of them - heads chopped off, crucifixions, etc. -, they were exactly where God wanted them.

I'm not good at debating, never have been. I will give my opinion.

I believe that all of us have sinned and will answer for those sins.

The ONLY comfort that I have from my husbands sudden, unexpected death is...
I believe when we are born there is a time that we will die. When it is our time to die, we will die. Nothing will change that. I also believe that I will see my husband again in Heaven.

God Bless
Tug

But, there is better news than that. For those who have had their sins washed, they will NOT answer for ANY of those sins. Thank God. We do NOT want to stand before God and answer for even one sin.

However, God is just and merciful. I have an uncle that has suffered greatly in his life. He has never been out of a wheelchair, had any school, or lived any "normal" life. Mentally, he is like a child, he simply is not capable of understanding many Biblical concepts. But, like a child, he believes in God with a faith that few adults can and he loves God. I used to wonder, with his limited understanding, how that could affect his salvation, but, in a vision, my uncle was walking in Heaven. I believe that with all heart. God will not hold us accountable for what we can not understand. Sin is only possible when it is understood. Romans 7:9 "Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died."

However, me and you are capable of understanding God's commands. Therefore as Paul struggled, so do we. Rom 7:18-19 "I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out." and, my favorite part: "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not want to do - this I keep on doing."

But, and my point, in Romans 8:1 is the answer, the reason why we will NOT pay for our sins: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death."

Did Paul ever quit sinning? Absolutely not. Though, through his relationship with God, he will not have to answer for those sins, not even one.

People get lost in the religion of Christianity and the point of it gets lost. Christianity is about one thing - relationship. When we stand before God, only one question will matter the most: "Do I know you?" So many "Christians" today like to point fingers, to make accusations, when the only thing they should be doing is introducing them to God. We look at other people and, instead of seeing what God sees, we see their sins. We see a murderer, we see a homosexual, we see someone who got a DUI.
Well, let me tell you what God sees. When He looks at someone, even Saddam Hussein, He sees a soul that He lovingly crafted in His hands, He sees a son that has lost his way. When He looks at someone, He sees a precious jewel, more valuable than any worldly gem. We look at O.J. and see a murderer that got away, God sees His son who is lost and He longs to put His arms around him, to forgive him, to love him. If God is your father, there can be only one thing that you want for O.J., and that is to be his brother, to show him what a precious creation he is, to bring him back from his severed relationship.
I am sure, Tug, that as long as he knew God, your husband is waiting for you, and that makes my heart glad. But, while we're still here, let's try to look at others as God sees them. Let God worry about their sins, He is more than capable, if we just pray for them.

I also try to practice what I preach, (as my daddy used to say) do unto others etc.
Most of all, I AM NOT A BIBLE THUMPER! I do NOT try to convince others to share my belief's. I do have a sense of humor.

Some of the most awful people that I know personally, are in church every Sunday. The other days of the week they do whatever they choose. That turns a lot of people off regarding attending a church, including me. When I go to church it's because I want to go. I don't go to show off, or say "I attend a certain church."

There is a church here in Fayette county that offended a lot of people. They never apologized. This will be my last comment on this subject.
I'm sorry I opened this can of worms.
Have a great day.

One thing bugs me. I always hear how wrong it is to try to convince someone about God. How come it is not wrong to try to convince someone of these other beliefs that people have:
1. Drugs should be stopped.
2. Drugs should be legalized.
3. Sex education should.
4. Should not be taught.
5. Abortion should be legal.
6. Should not be legal.
7. Politicians should spend less.
8. Politicians should spend more.
9. War is good.
10. War is bad.
Basically, it seems to me that it is acceptable to try convince someone to share any belief that can be held, whether it's wrong or right, just as long as it has nothing to do with God. You are an alright person for trying to convince someone of anything in the world almost, just please, God forbid, don't share God; that makes you a Bible Thumper, someone to not be tolerated.

I do love how you used the old argument fallacy that says if one is wrong, they're all wrong. I know an evolutionist that says that man evolved from grapes(sarcasm, love it), therefore all evolutionists are wrong, or, "Some of the most awful people I know............", or, even worse, "I know a church that offended many people........."

Now, that being said, there are people who share and people who shove it down your throat. I HATE people that shove religion down people's throats. I am sorry if I misunderstood, but I thought we were in agreement on God and that we were just sharing. I did not realize that I was trying to convert at all. Do not worry, most of my friends are not Christians. I have no problem with someone who does not believe and only share with those interested, I even try to do that with the beliefs on the above list. If a discussion about anything makes you uncomfortable - war, politics, abortion, Islam, Christianity - anything at all, I will happily not discuss it with you. I am not a Bible thumper, or a war thumper, or an abortion thumper, or any other iteration of thumping, I simply discuss things with people who show an interest.

Your love and understanding for the word as found in the Bible is apparent. I'd like to share with you an excerpt from an article written by Anne Edwards.

"No one has ever been more successful at healing sin and reforming character than Jesus. While fully aware that humanity needed to overcome sin, Jesus showed time and again that to judge another individual’s behavior is not the means to improving it. Jesus’ command “Judge not, that ye be not judged” demonstrates his profound understanding of this principle.

Many times Jesus showed that judgment does not promote the healing of sin. One example is his encounter with a paralytic man at the pool of Bethesda. Although the story later identifies the man as a sinner, Jesus does not use this public setting as an opportunity to raise the issue of sin. Instead, Jesus first restores the man physically. It’s only later, when Jesus sees the man privately, that Jesus cautions him to “sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.”

Sin is punished as long as sin persists.

Is this one?
If we are all sinners, how could the pool guy be a "sinner."

I couldn't agree more.

The early Christians understood and believed Jesus' message. That man is spiritual - not material. We become so overwhelmed with the material picture of mankind - that we forget God's salvation - the lessons learned from the works and words of his son Jesus Christ. God does not 'will' us evil. Human footsteps and lack of understanding make us fear evil. It's not easy being a Christian! Thanks for your thoughts.

Give it up already. Mrs. Pina was caught DUI on a golf cart. Come on, please. As I have mentioned before "not a 3 - 4 thousand pound" vehicle. Again, PTC Police go to the local golf course, They are drunk driving golf carts, then they get in a VEHICLE to drive home. Why don't you park outside the golf course, but wait, the DUI suspect maybe on your payroll. Grow up and leave her alone.

Mrs. Pina, please do not be disturbed by these folks, THEY HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO.

Park outside the golf course, or y-knot, or Big Daddys, or Hotel, or, or, or... Are you kidding? The cop wouldn'y last through the next day!